Posted: 1/1/2007 1:39:50 PM EDT
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delete. No longer funny |
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You could simply ignore the guy...might be harmless. If he refuses to let it go, do a google on online survey sites....take a bunch of online surveys and use his email address as the contact....he'll have thousands of emails a day from that point on.....just a thought. 
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+ 1 After reading the first email, how did you get that he wanted to purchase it without going through an FFL? This doen't make a lot of sense. |
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Well, the fact he mentions family members and not an FFL after being told is clearly a disregard for the legal process. It's called entrapment. Letting you break the law while not directly asking for anything overtly illegal. It's all about subtleties. I'd have fun with him. 
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He didn't say it directly as it can be implied in a court of law that it was entrapment (assuming he is BATF and this is a sting operation). He is, however, strongly implying that it is a possibility, and leaving it up to eddiein1984 to say "OK" to the straw purchase or interstate transfer without an FFL. Thereby sealing his own fate. Very clever had it not been for the use of the .gov email address. ETA: If, after explaining the law to him as it pertains to interstate transfers, he agrees to buy it via an FFL transfer only,he's a legit buyer. If he doesn't, he's either a felon or it's a sting operation. |
I infer from him saying he has kin in the OP's state that the OP could sell the gun to them and then they would give the gun to the guy in IL, and he thinks the OP would be clean. But knowing it would be going to someone else is a straw. |
True. But one should never underestimate the stupidity of Gov't workers.  I bet if he posts the headers of the email one of our afcom geeks will be able to tell where it came from.
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Not everybody is cognisant of the federal firearms laws. You are really making a leap saying this is entrapment. I actually read the OP, and nowhere did I see the purchaser ask the seller to do anything illegal. Not everybody lives on AR15.com and discusses firearms and firearm law on a non-stop basis. If the guy actually suggested by-passing a WI FFL....it would be a different thing. |
Well HUD is the "Housing and Urban Development" My guess would be he lives in a HUD project w/ some "free" internet service, or he works for HUD. Or he's with the BATF trying to get you into a "federal pound you in the ass" prison. |
Probably just an ignorant buyer.... |
Well, I just err on the side of caution. It may very well be a private citizen, but saying he has a firearm ID makes me think he'd have to know he can't do what he's trying to do. Then again, I don't know what a firearm ID is since I'm in a free state. Either way, the manner he's conducting himself is suspicious to say the least. The OP should really push the matter, an then you'll see which is more likely the case. |
That's different. The OP was approached by the guy in IL 1st and he KNOWS the gun will go to him if he sells it to the people in WI. If the people in WI had contacted the OP 1st and then, without the OP's knowledge, gave/sold the gun to the guy in IL the OP would be in the clear. But since he knows the gun will be transfered/sold over state lines he'd be fucked if the feds want his ass. |
Thats my guess. |
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Uh, yeah, OK, Striaght up would you stop with the paranoid fantasy?? Why the fuck would a ATF or whomever send you an email with a clearly Goverment email address?? not even one who is "prufessanol enough to handil da glock" would be stupid enough to do that. At best its some guy who is a civil servant or something and doesnt know shit about the Crazy gun laws of the united states. Most people tend to think of the US as having a "unified" code of Law when in reality its a right old mess when it comes to guns. So they dont know any better. Think about it, in Vermont it is legal to own a pistol and carry it without a permit. Only a few hundred miles away in NYC if you have a pistol and no permit and are caught carrying it concealed its a fucking Felony. |
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eddie, your tinfoil hat is too tight. The guy stated that he has a permit. That doesn't make him a dealer or a fed agent....it means he took a safety class and is allowed to purchase a firearm in his home state. send him an email stating that it must be transferred via FFL, and that you'll sell it to him, but he's gonna have to pay for the shipping and FFL fees. People on Gunbroker do it all the time. (nice Luger btw) |
The permit that the emailer mentioned is a Illinois Firearm Owner's Identification card. This is required in the state of Illinois to purchase, own, or generally handle any firearm or ammunition. There is no safety class involved, just over 21yrs (under 21 with a parent's approval) and pass a background check. I do think that this is a sting by either the Illinois State Police or Chicago PD trying to get more ammo for Blago to implement some new gun control laws in IL. 
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The potential buyer is most likely not up to speed on interstate transfers. Most gun owners are not as sharp on this stuff as the average ARFcommer. Clearly explain the law to him. He may object to the extra cost, but that's just the way it is in that type of situation. Say bye if he wants you to do a straw sale. BTW, how did you get away with listing a Luger on Craigslist? |
That and the legal 'sting' for private-sale straw purchasing is to get the illegal owner and the buyer, not the seller... The only thing they'd have against the OP was if he was dealing without a license, which he obviously is NOT DOING... Most likely your buyer does not know jack shit about gun laws beyond the fact that he needs a FOID to own them in IL... |
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logically, the odds are greater that it is an uninformed buyer. please let us know how he reacts to the ffl sale offer. also, for someone trying to sell a gun, your email replies aren't very friendly or helpful...especially considering an ad on craigslist. you might do well to choose a better market if you dont want to deal with non professionals. |
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What he said. The guy could just be emailing you from his cubicle/office. HUD stands for housing and urban development, NOT jack booted thugs, and I don't think the BATFE would be stupid enough to use a .gov email address in a sting. I don't think it's a sting. And even if it is, if you're not doing anything illegal you have nothing to worry about. Just do it through an FFL dealer. It IS possible the guy didn't know you had to do this. |
I'm actually not interested in selling it to him at all, even if it weren't suspicious. I listed it as a matter of convenience to see if I could find a local buyer. As far as the ATF thing, I'm mostly joking. I just thought his responses were unusual, and I do love playing to the tinfoil crowd around here. |
