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Posted: 12/11/2013 8:38:25 AM EDT
Corporate policy is to use all vacation each year, never to pay out.  

All days under question are actual vacation days, not PTO/PDO.

I have to schedule my vacation at the beginning of the year to make sure all days are used.
(I can change them later if need be)

Since starting with them, I get 18 days of vacation per year.  

As of mid Nov, all my days were accounted for to have them taken by the end of the year.

I have a fairly large number of days blocked off for vacation starting Dec 16 - Dec 31

After the 4th year, you get 23 days.  

My 4th year just hit Nov 30.  I was awarded 5 extra days.

Corporate policy is to waive them if they are awarded after Dec 16.

Exception requests for carryover approval go nearly to the top of the food chain.

Boss says the exception request for carryover may get denied because they may say I should have known.

Im salaried, considered 'management'

If they do not want to carry them over, are they required to pay me for them?  They cant just rob me can they?  I suspect I may get written up if they carry it over or pay me out for it
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 8:39:38 AM EDT
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First world problem?

Why not just take the next 5 days off?
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 8:41:44 AM EDT
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rob you? paid vaction/days off are at the employers discretion.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 8:45:37 AM EDT
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Specified by terms of the employment contract.

 



If they don't fulfill there end, yeah, it's theft.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 8:53:32 AM EDT
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If they don't fulfill there end, yeah, it's theft.
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Specified by terms of the employment contract.  

If they don't fulfill there end, yeah, it's theft.


While true, most companies have it in their contract that you can't have more than X number of days/hours. My company has it limited to 80 hours. If you have more than that, they take away the amount over 80 hours come the first of the next year. it gets rolled in to a reserve sick bank that you can only use after three days of missing work and a doctor's note.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 9:05:06 AM EDT
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Get a 5-day migrane, problem solved.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 9:17:46 AM EDT
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The lack of vacation time in the US is unfortunate.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 9:20:35 AM EDT
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If they don't fulfill there end, yeah, it's theft.


This.



 
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 9:22:10 AM EDT
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That's a nasty sounding cough you've got there, OP.
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I'll second that. It also seems like the more we work the less we accomplish these days, and employer - employee relations are more adversarial than they have been as of late.

 
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 9:23:08 AM EDT
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I'll second that. It also seems like the more we work the less we accomplish these days, and employer - employee relations are more adversarial than they have been as of late.  

Money has a way of doing that
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 9:24:01 AM EDT
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My company gifts vacation days as opposed to accrueing them. . . . the difference is if you earn the vacation you can keep it, roll it over, or possibly get paid for it however if they gift it to you then they can take it away if unused at years end.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 9:26:33 AM EDT
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While I agree with you, I am amazed that Europeans are productive with the number of vacation days they get.
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Most European nations aren't.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 9:27:38 AM EDT
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shut up.

Stop your whinning.

Your lucky you have a job.

Your boss
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 9:28:42 AM EDT
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I have 456 hours of vacation time saved up at work. They pay you half-time up to 350 hours at the end of your employment, so I have 96 hours of do-whatever-the-fuck-i-want at any time hours and growing.

Just had to rub it in.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 9:32:51 AM EDT
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we get 10+ days per year(after 5 years you get more) plus holidays.
they do not roll over if you do not use them you get paid for them on the last paycheck of the year..
since I have started there I have had at least 1 or more left over at the end of the year.
I wish they would let us roll them over.
our vacation time is limited too, only allowed 6 employees off per shift per day.IOW if you need a day off and there are already 6 off your SOL..unless you use a personal day then if you use the personal day before or after a holiday (if 6 are already off) you lose your holiday pay..
no paid sick leave except FMLA if you qualify.
3 non paid personal days the can be used anytime. see above.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 9:33:18 AM EDT
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While I agree with you, I am amazed that Europeans are productive with the number of vacation days they get.


Most European nations aren't.


This.


The time I spend in France and Switzerland makes this very apparent.  Hell the amount of breaks they take in 1 day is staggering.  Nobody works past 5pm. Everything is closed after 7pm, including groceries.  Its amazing they get anything done.  But they are well rested.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 9:38:16 AM EDT
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Let it roll- Good job, you've got over 2 weeks paid time off coming up.
Don't be your sigline.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 9:41:20 AM EDT
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4 weeks and three days of vacation after 4 years?  Are they hiring?  I'm serious.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 9:52:17 AM EDT
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We're on a use it or lose it vacation policy here.

Vacation is doled out per calendar year, not hire date.  Therefore everyone has to use their vacation by Dec 31.  The end of the year is usually a ghost town around here with people taking off just to burn their remaining vacation time.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 9:52:53 AM EDT
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It's also negotiated.  Many American workers would rather have the money.  Make no mistake that any paid time off you get ultimately comes out of your pocket.  It may be a hidden cost since it's factored into your pay rate one way or another, but it's there nonetheless.

Your employer is most certainly not paying you with money he didn't make while you weren't there and no work was being done.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 9:56:00 AM EDT
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Wage and hour commission...
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While I agree with you, I am amazed that Europeans are productive with the number of vacation days they get.


Most European nations aren't.


I can confirm that with first hand experience.  I have European customers and while they are neither lazy nor incompetent, it is common knowledge that their projects don't move along as fast simply due to being out of the office and away from their projects so frequently and for so long.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 10:09:58 AM EDT
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It's also negotiated.  Many American workers would rather have the money.  Make no mistake that any paid time off you get ultimately comes out of your pocket.  It may be a hidden cost since it's factored into your pay rate one way or another, but it's there nonetheless.

Your employer is most certainly not paying you with money he didn't make while you weren't there and no work was being done.
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It's also negotiated.  Many American workers would rather have the money.  Make no mistake that any paid time off you get ultimately comes out of your pocket.  It may be a hidden cost since it's factored into your pay rate one way or another, but it's there nonetheless.

Your employer is most certainly not paying you with money he didn't make while you weren't there and no work was being done.


Of course. I would rather have 28 days of vacation a year, than only a few. Being able to take vacations is more valuable to me than money. From what I have often read on this site, it seems like many workers in the US are given vacation time, but their employer strongly discourages them from using it because 'there is too much work to do'.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 10:12:58 AM EDT
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4 years...you know how they play.  

I think you should have caught this earlier and got the days scheduled.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 10:22:29 AM EDT
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Agree. You knew it was coming OP. Lessons learned.

ETA:  Coincidence? post 1099 and this is an employer related thread.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 10:25:41 AM EDT
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I don't know how many vacation days I get.  I work for a VERY SMALL company.  As long as I am not abusing the system, I take off whenever, and nobody bothers to document the days I am out.

I rarely ever go on a vacation, I am more of a staycation kinda guy.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 10:25:50 AM EDT
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We're on a use it or lose it vacation policy here.

Vacation is doled out per calendar year, not hire date.  Therefore everyone has to use their vacation by Dec 31.  The end of the year is usually a ghost town around here with people taking off just to burn their remaining vacation time.
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Same here.  I'm surprised they haven't gone to a mandatory week off around Christmas/between Christmas and New Years, since everybody takes it off anyway and nothing gets done even if somebody does happen to work one of those days just to get the hours.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 10:27:55 AM EDT
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Suggestion.   Do not whine.  Do not get mad.   Be up front with your boss and see what your options are.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 10:32:33 AM EDT
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You do realize that vacation is negotiable. You don't have to start at the bottom (1-2 weeks off) every time you change jobs.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 10:40:55 AM EDT
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Agree. You knew it was coming OP. Lessons learned.

ETA:  Coincidence? post 1099 and this is an employer related thread.
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Agree. You knew it was coming OP. Lessons learned.

ETA:  Coincidence? post 1099 and this is an employer related thread.


sorry guys, im not all over the HR page all the time trying to figure out when I get all my benefits making sure I dont miss out on that extra $0.50 I could have wankered.

I do my job.  I dont GAF when they dump extra days on me.  I schedule that shit first of the year as required then concentrate on my job.  My hire date just happened to be very end of the year, so unlucky me i guess.

I thought with all the noise about being illegal to not pay vacation at end of employment meant that vac had to be paid out regardless.

Guess Ill go ahead right now and set myself an outlook calendar reminder for 8 years and 16 years to remind myself that in Nov of those years I get 5 more days I have to remember to take.  How fucking ridiculous is that?
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 10:41:39 AM EDT
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I have 456 hours of vacation time saved up at work. They pay you half-time up to 350 hours at the end of your employment, so I have 96 hours of do-whatever-the-fuck-i-want at any time hours and growing.

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So you'd take half of the value of your time off? Seems stupid to me.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 10:43:20 AM EDT
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This
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 10:58:27 AM EDT
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My sisters Baby daddy will receive a check between $200,000 to $300,000 when he gets out of the LSFD in a few years. You see Firemen never take a Vacation or are ever Sick, they cover each other4 shifts when one of them wants to go on a Vacation or are sick, thus the books show they never take a day off, ever. Their sick and vacation days are payed out when they Retire with compounding interest, thus thigh payout checks. Its a complete Scam that the FD pulls on the City of LA thru their Fire Union Contracts.

So OP, you need to go to your HR and bitch about them shorting your vacation days.
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This.


The time I spend in France and Switzerland makes this very apparent.  Hell the amount of breaks they take in 1 day is staggering.  Nobody works past 5pm. Everything is closed after 7pm, including groceries.  Its amazing they get anything done.  But they are well rested.
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While I agree with you, I am amazed that Europeans are productive with the number of vacation days they get.


Most European nations aren't.


This.


The time I spend in France and Switzerland makes this very apparent.  Hell the amount of breaks they take in 1 day is staggering.  Nobody works past 5pm. Everything is closed after 7pm, including groceries.  Its amazing they get anything done.  But they are well rested.


Nasty side effect of socialism punishing achievement.  


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While I agree with you, I am amazed that Europeans are productive with the number of vacation days they get.


Most European nations aren't.


This.


The time I spend in France and Switzerland makes this very apparent.  Hell the amount of breaks they take in 1 day is staggering.  Nobody works past 5pm. Everything is closed after 7pm, including groceries.  Its amazing they get anything done.  But they are well rested.


Nasty side effect of socialism punishing achievement.  




Who is happier?
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sorry guys, im not all over the HR page all the time trying to figure out when I get all my benefits making sure I dont miss out on that extra $0.50 I could have wankered.

I do my job.  I dont GAF when they dump extra days on me.  I schedule that shit first of the year as required then concentrate on my job.  My hire date just happened to be very end of the year, so unlucky me i guess.

I thought with all the noise about being illegal to not pay vacation at end of employment meant that vac had to be paid out regardless.

Guess Ill go ahead right now and set myself an outlook calendar reminder for 8 years and 16 years to remind myself that in Nov of those years I get 5 more days I have to remember to take.  How fucking ridiculous is that?
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Agree. You knew it was coming OP. Lessons learned.

ETA:  Coincidence? post 1099 and this is an employer related thread.


sorry guys, im not all over the HR page all the time trying to figure out when I get all my benefits making sure I dont miss out on that extra $0.50 I could have wankered.

I do my job.  I dont GAF when they dump extra days on me.  I schedule that shit first of the year as required then concentrate on my job.  My hire date just happened to be very end of the year, so unlucky me i guess.

I thought with all the noise about being illegal to not pay vacation at end of employment meant that vac had to be paid out regardless.

Guess Ill go ahead right now and set myself an outlook calendar reminder for 8 years and 16 years to remind myself that in Nov of those years I get 5 more days I have to remember to take.  How fucking ridiculous is that?


My suggestion was just how I imagined HR would put it so have the conversation and make your case.
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sorry guys, im not all over the HR page all the time trying to figure out when I get all my benefits making sure I dont miss out on that extra $0.50 I could have wankered.

I do my job.  I dont GAF when they dump extra days on me.  I schedule that shit first of the year as required then concentrate on my job.  My hire date just happened to be very end of the year, so unlucky me i guess.

I thought with all the noise about being illegal to not pay vacation at end of employment meant that vac had to be paid out regardless.

Guess Ill go ahead right now and set myself an outlook calendar reminder for 8 years and 16 years to remind myself that in Nov of those years I get 5 more days I have to remember to take.  How fucking ridiculous is that?
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4 years...you know how they play.  

I think you should have caught this earlier and got the days scheduled.



Agree. You knew it was coming OP. Lessons learned.

ETA:  Coincidence? post 1099 and this is an employer related thread.


sorry guys, im not all over the HR page all the time trying to figure out when I get all my benefits making sure I dont miss out on that extra $0.50 I could have wankered.

I do my job.  I dont GAF when they dump extra days on me.  I schedule that shit first of the year as required then concentrate on my job.  My hire date just happened to be very end of the year, so unlucky me i guess.

I thought with all the noise about being illegal to not pay vacation at end of employment meant that vac had to be paid out regardless.

Guess Ill go ahead right now and set myself an outlook calendar reminder for 8 years and 16 years to remind myself that in Nov of those years I get 5 more days I have to remember to take.  How fucking ridiculous is that?


If you're a good employee, find a better employer.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:22:52 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:28:15 PM EDT
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I lose everything over 240 hours on  the first of the year.  I've lost 70 and 83 hours in the last two years.  This year I swore I would take the month of December off if I had to just to keep from losing the time.  Guess who is working till Dec 20.   Massive fail.  Again.  But NEXT year...

Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:36:55 PM EDT
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I worked for a shitbird place back about 7 years ago that was really just the owners' sons credit card. If he wanted something he couldn't afford, he would simply fire someone to make up the revenue to purchase said item, like say a yacht, or a $30,000 motorcycle. Then he would pawn the workload on to people that remained, even though they had no idea how to perform those peoples jobs. But you better believe you have to get the job done, regardless or YOU would get fired.

However....

Before the son took over his fathers company there was some pretty good perks to the job. Including paid vacation once a year for a week.

So, when it became my year employed I told the company treasurer that I would be taking paid vacation. Well, that didn't please the boy king at all, and then he tried everything he could think of to deny me my paid vacation, to include firing me in order to prevent me from getting what was in my contract. The treasurer informed him that even if he fired me, I would still be owed the pay for the weeks vacation, AND there was NO ONE ELSE to do my job.

He finally gave in and I had my vacation and kept my job.


Scott, if some how you end up reading this, you are a shitty person and a horrible business owner and because of that it will bring about your ruin.
And when it does I will dance on your ashes.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:38:00 PM EDT
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My vacation is part of my compensation package.  Sure, there are rules for using it, but it's not some 'gift' from my employer.
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sorry guys, im not all over the HR page all the time trying to figure out when I get all my benefits making sure I dont miss out on that extra $0.50 I could have wankered.

I do my job.  I dont GAF when they dump extra days on me.  I schedule that shit first of the year as required then concentrate on my job.  My hire date just happened to be very end of the year, so unlucky me i guess.

I thought with all the noise about being illegal to not pay vacation at end of employment meant that vac had to be paid out regardless.

Guess Ill go ahead right now and set myself an outlook calendar reminder for 8 years and 16 years to remind myself that in Nov of those years I get 5 more days I have to remember to take.  How fucking ridiculous is that?
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I think you should have caught this earlier and got the days scheduled.



Agree. You knew it was coming OP. Lessons learned.

ETA:  Coincidence? post 1099 and this is an employer related thread.


sorry guys, im not all over the HR page all the time trying to figure out when I get all my benefits making sure I dont miss out on that extra $0.50 I could have wankered.

I do my job.  I dont GAF when they dump extra days on me.  I schedule that shit first of the year as required then concentrate on my job.  My hire date just happened to be very end of the year, so unlucky me i guess.

I thought with all the noise about being illegal to not pay vacation at end of employment meant that vac had to be paid out regardless.

Guess Ill go ahead right now and set myself an outlook calendar reminder for 8 years and 16 years to remind myself that in Nov of those years I get 5 more days I have to remember to take.  How fucking ridiculous is that?


Are you sure you don't have a year to spend it?  Might want to check with HR, and while you're there let them explain how someone hired December 31 is supposed to take the five days.

Link Posted: 12/11/2013 12:59:23 PM EDT
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And what company do you work for that gives that kind of vacation?
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If they don't fulfill there end, yeah, it's theft.
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If they don't fulfill there end, yeah, it's theft.


LOL okay.....
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 1:02:03 PM EDT
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All you people's companies suck... We can bank up to 999.9 hours of vacation and 999.9 hours of PTO/Sick... And thats due to a software limitation more than anything... Use it or Lose it Vacation deals are weak sauce.
Link Posted: 12/11/2013 1:02:38 PM EDT
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If you like your vacation, you can keep your vacation.
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I work 186 days a year, and that doesn't include the 15 paid sick days, and 5 paid personal days I get a year...............








That roll over.  
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While I agree with you, I am amazed that Europeans are productive with the number of vacation days they get.






Most European nations aren't.



Funny, I was just reading a study that said Germans work less than we do but are more productive in the time they are on the job.



Lots of science out there, going back to Henry Ford's 40 hour workweek, that demonstrated there's a point of diminished productivity where workers are concerned. Having more down time isn't a bad thing, in terms of what we get done on the job. We tend to view hours as a result, but we should be looking at results as the result. IMHO.



But, this is GD and if you're not working 70 hours a week and 340 days a year, you're a fucking commie.



I get it.





 
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OP,  you used the term "MANAGEMENT" in your original post.  This is an often abused term used by employers to "EXEMPT" employees from the terms of the FAIR LABOR STANDARDS ACT, (FLSA). Although the FLSA just deals with wages and overtime it does set a standard that companies must meet to EXEMPT employees.  A lot of companies think that Supervisors are managers, not so.  My advice to anyone who is required to work uncompensated overtime, is to keep track of those hours.  When you can't take the abuse any longer go find yourself a good labor lawyer who is familiar with the FLSA.  ( Maybe one that often wears a beanie and doesn't work after sundown on Friday).  I don't think FLSA addresses the vacation issue but it does define EXEMPT status.
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