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Posted: 9/30/2005 6:11:13 AM EDT
Wow. Just wow. |
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He was on Hannity & Colmes last night - telling people "yes, that's what I said - but what I was really saying was this..."
Looks like Bennet's gonna have a hard time finding a date to the prom this year. |
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Don't kill the messenger. What he said was "factually" accurate in a "Final Solution" kind of way. But it was said with all the tactfullness of an anti-war rally. |
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If we aborted all black babies, the rate of sickle-cell anemia would go down as well.
Now, am I a racist for stating a verifiable, statistical fact? Neither is Bennett. YMMV, of course. |
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" you could abort every black baby in this country and your crime rate would go down." I'm sorry but you're not gonna spin that one into blaming the media. |
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He could have made his point another way and he probably could have used the word poverty rather than crime. I think he did the argument a dis-service to link crime and poverty though. That's a recipe for a hand-out if nothing else works.
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You can't attack a utilitarian proposition without stating it. DOJ statistics make it perfectly plain that the difference in crime rates between the US and, say, Canada or Spain is attributable to the activities of some members of a specific identifiable subgroup of Americans. I suspect that Bennett's point was that nobody is suggesting that members of that group be incarcerated, deported, or aborted wholesale, despite that fact. Why not? Because human beings are entitled to be judged and dealt with as individuals.
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No, he clearly said that, but the media is focusing on what he said and not his intent, which was to state a fact. He was clearly not advocating this as national policy. I'm curious as to what the caller was asking about, I've used similar arguements against gun control. People say that we should confiscate all guns because dropping crime should be a number one priority. I say, well if it didn't start a war, confiscation of every gun in america would likely reduce crime, but at what cost? Putting a camera in everyone's house to monitor them or aborting black babies would likely have the same net effect, but these are morally reprehensible. Why isn't mass gun confiscation? I'm trying to get the point across that the end doesn't justify the means. |
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[jimmy the greek]They're bred for crime, and runnin' too . . . [/jimmy the greek]
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I guess you missed this part of the original statement, Mac: "That would be an impossibly ridiculous and morally reprehensible thing to do, but your crime rate would go down," he said. |
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I'm sorry, but yes I will. There's a big difference between quoting...
... and quoting...
Context is everything. Guess which version the MSM will be playing ad nauseum... ETA: IOW, what FLAL1A said above but I took longer to type... |
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He told the truth, of course someone will be mad.
Other truths. 1) "If you abort all babies born to out of wedlock mothers, the crime rate will go down" - growing up without a father figure is more likely to make you a criminal than any other factor (race, income, urban vs suburban vs rural, etc). 2) "If you abort all babies, the crime rate will go down" - true, because the species will go extinct. Now, if someone said #2, it would be factually correct. Does that mean someone favors that we kill all babies to stop crime? No it doesn't. |
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exactly, it's as old as communication. |
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Even the full quote doesn't pass the smell test..anybody can smell the bullshit on that. If you don't have a good idea then don't go spouting off stupid ones then disowning them. |
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But isn't Bennett technically part of the media?
That's what pisses me off about all of these AM radios talking heads bitching on and on about the media - they are the media too. He's just saying what he thinks his target audience wants to hear. |
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Reading is Fundamental.... If you only take PART of what someone said and report it as their entire view, thusly CHANGING the meaning of the comment, *THAT* is the definition of TAKING COMMENTS OUT OF CONTEXT!!!. If the people of this country are such pansies that they are offended by THE ENTIRE QUOTE then they have no business out of their personal closet. Another ArfCommer has a sig line that I think is appropriate, the one that says that "we used to have a guy named Darwin in charge of quality control, but he got downsized years ago." [Sorry if I butchered the Sig line] |
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If you replace the word 'black' with 'muslim' and 'crime' with 'terrorism' and 'country' with 'world' it has the same effect.
Right or wrong, out of context or not, that guy is in deep shit for saying it. |
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But... but.... it's just words!
I thought we are supposed to be "above" inflamatory rhetoric... Or is that only white folks who are supposed to not use bad language? |
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Bennett's my kind of guy! He speaks the truth, sadly. He just happens to be a white guy saying what Bill Cosby has said all along. Neither has been well received by the parties that need to heed the message.
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I'd like to read the full transcript of that show. For all we know he prefaced the remark with "Let's examine this issue from the white supremecist point of view" etc. The term "spin doctor" was coined for a reason.
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I don't think conservative Black Parents like Mr. Cosby will be too happy with Mr. Bennett..Most conservatives don't want to have the term abortion used in conjuction with their children...not as a joke...not as a throw away idea. If someone started talking about aborting my kids...they might not make it to the disclaimer |
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Well damn, if you aborted all whites there'd be no place for blacks to thrive (or collect wellfare). Seriously, look at Africa before you call me a bigot.
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What's the big deal? Unborn fetuses aren't life. They're just a mass of insensate nonviable tissue masses that should be scraped and discarded, just like cancer cells.
Wonder what the prochoice lobby has to say about this. |
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This statement is probably true:
"You could abort every non-Asian baby in this country and the average IQ would go up" It's just statistics. Anyone attaching emotional importance to them has some insecurity issues. |
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i strongly suspect the caller was asking about a specific chapter in the book Freakonomics, by economist steven levitt. he devotes a chapter to how dropping crime rates starting in the mid 90s were not the result of prosperity and cops on the street programs, but rather the result of legalizing abortion. in a sense, the people who were most unable to care for and raise responsible children and thus most likely to create future criminals were now aborting them. its an unorthodox look at economics and statistics, but an interesting read overall. in a discussion of this sort and if discussing the books analysis, i can easily see how bennetts comments could have been made and been completely benign. personally, its nice to see someone sticking by their comments no matter how insensitive they may seem out of context. |
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One sentence to alienate yourself from both the right and the left! I don't see quite what the uproar is all about. He's talking about an extreme solution to a problem, and specifically says it is morally reprehensible. If he said "If you wanted to solve our social security problem, you could -- if that were your sole purpose -- euthanize people when they turn 70", nobody would be screaming at him claiming that he hates old people. The only reason this is getting any play is that his particular statement touches both race and abortion. |
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Who you callin' white??? We're Caucasian! |
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Or, to put more fine a point on it, he was citing an example of why the ends do not always justify the means. But that doensn't matter, the single line will repeated incessantly & he will be crucified for it... and it looks like some folks here think he should be. |
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Which is exactly why nobody can discuss anything outside of PC norms. Jesus, the mans intent couldn't be more clear if were made of air. That abortion is not a viable solution to crime control. You guys are swallowing the "firestorm" hook, line, and sinker. |
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I'm partway through Levitt's book (the audio version, narrated by his coauthor, Dubner I think, who has a crappy voice, get the hardcopy instead) and some of the conclusions are interesting, but some are reaching a bit. The readers' reviews on Amazon go into a little detail dissecting some of Levitt's "conclusions" as being tenous at best... suspect that the editors were pushing for some "wow factor" on a dry subject, and playing the race card is a sure ticket to the NYT Bestseller list. |
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+1, sometimes telling the truth is a bad thing |
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Or else he is getting a helluva lot of free advertising for his radio show! |
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Did he preface the statement with "Hold mah beer an watch this?"
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Pretty much have to agree with you there. Sort of like a straw man argument. |
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Yep! Aint statistics a biatch, especialy when the truth hurts |
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Why, exactly? We are discussing the motivation behind, (mis)representation of, and (over)reaction to comments made by a public figure and being reported throughout the media. We are doing so in a civil manner, despite strongly varying opinions on the subject. Why should it be locked? |
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