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Posted: 4/10/2006 7:28:34 PM EDT
Anybody concerned that this will eventually grow into something much uglier than we ever imagined? I don't think most Hispanics believe in this garbage but fundamentalists who have overrun many countries rarely make up majority.

www.aztlan.net/nofa.htm



On the Palestinian-Jewish Issue
La Raza's struggle for the land and for political and economic self-determination is not different from the struggle of the Palestinian people in Zionist Israel. We live in Aztlan under Anglo domination as the Palestinians live under Jewish domination. La Raza as well as the Palestinians lost the land through military aggression and both people now live in segregated regions within the larger nation. The Palestinian people as well as La Raza provide the hard labor necessary to prop up the national economies. Both Raza children and Palestinian children are victims of educational discrimination. The Palestinians as well as La Raza are considered people of color. So who should we side with in the present struggle in the Middle East? Will it be with the Jewish Zionists or with Islam? It is no secret that the United States as a whole is siding with the Jews, but should we? It is also no secret that the Jewish Lobby in America now also dominate large parts of the U.S federal government. It is estimated that over 32% of the Clinton Administration is of Jewish descent. Many are top level Federal Officials and includes the Secretary of Defense as well as the Secretary of State. In fact, the Department of State is now pretty much entirely Jewish. Most of the foreign Ambassadors are Jewish. This trend was begun by Henry Kissinger who is a Jew. This is very surprising considering that Jews only make about 2% of the total US population. Making these statements is not anti-semitic. It is stating facts. We do not hate Jews. We respect the contributions that many Jews have made to world culture. However, we reject Zionist racist Jews like the war criminal Ariel Sharon and appeal to all good Jews to do the same.

Israel can now be considered to be the 51st state. U.S. taxpayers are now sending over 8 billion dollars each year in economic and military aid. The sophisticated military weaponry being utilized against defenseless Palestinians are gifts from Uncle Sam. In fact, Israel now has nuclear and biological weapons, thanks to the United States. Why is the US providing so much to Israel? Well the selection of Joseph Lieberman as Vice Presidential running mate for Al Gore should give a clue.

Another clue should be provided by how the Israeli Army atrocities unfolded in the US media. At first, none of the Palestinian children murders were being covered by ABC, NBC or CBS. Not until the French and Italian media started broadcasting pictures of dead Palestinian children was the US media forced to cover some of the Israeli atrocities. Politicians, including Hillary Clinton running for US Senate in New York need a friendly media to be able to win elections.

La Raza is a victim of the same political and economic forces that are oppressing the Palestinian people and other people of color around the world. We must awaken to this fact and understand the hidden strategies and tactics being utilized to subjugate our people in order to devise effective counter-measures to neutralize them.

Tezcatlipoca
Minister of Foreign Affairs
Nation of Aztlan

Link Posted: 4/10/2006 7:30:15 PM EDT
What are Aztlan's laws like?
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 7:30:19 PM EDT
I'm not too concerned about it becoming the new ME, I'm very concerned about giving up the entire SW of the U.S. by default to these people. We have some very small-balled people in Washington.

HH
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 7:31:12 PM EDT
it will...... they'll take over and there's nothing you can do. Nobody here has the guts to band together and go fight these people when they come.......
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 7:31:52 PM EDT
They, like the white supremacists, the race card players(jackson\farahkan) and the terrorists, all seem to have a problem with the joooos
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 7:33:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:
They, like the white supremacists, the race card players(jackson\farahkan) and the terrorists, all seem to have a problem with the joooos




Speaking of the White Supremists, How are they Doing Now days? I bet Business is Booming.
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 7:33:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/10/2006 7:34:25 PM EDT by TheRedHorseman]

Originally Posted By 22bad:
They, like the white supremacists, the race card players(jackson\farahkan) and the terrorists, all seem to have a problem with the joooos



no shit. for god's chosen people, they sure get the short end of the stick


edit:

Originally Posted By USGI_45:

Originally Posted By 22bad:
They, like the white supremacists, the race card players(jackson\farahkan) and the terrorists, all seem to have a problem with the joooos




Speaking of the White Supremists, How are they Doing Now days? I bet Business is Booming.



not as well as the ignorant fucktard trade apparently
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 7:35:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By 22bad:
They, like the white supremacists, the race card players(jackson\farahkan) and the terrorists, all seem to have a problem with the joooos



no shit. for god's chosen people, they sure get the short end of the stick


edit:

Originally Posted By USGI_45:

Originally Posted By 22bad:
They, like the white supremacists, the race card players(jackson\farahkan) and the terrorists, all seem to have a problem with the joooos



Speaking of the White Supremists, How are they Doing Now days? I bet Business is Booming.



not as well as the ignorant fucktard trade apparently



No Kidding
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 7:41:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Voldermortist:
it will...... they'll take over and there's nothing you can do. Nobody here has the guts to band together and go fight these people when they come.......



What do you think it would take to motivate say 10,000 to put up a fight?
And where would you recommend the first battle go down?
How would you think we would need to deal with gov't forces?
What would be our fallback strategy afterwards?

Not rhetorical questions. I am serious.

Link Posted: 4/10/2006 7:48:15 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By USGI_45:

Originally Posted By 22bad:
They, like the white supremacists, the race card players(jackson\farahkan) and the terrorists, all seem to have a problem with the joooos




Speaking of the White Supremists, How are they Doing Now days? I bet Business is Booming.



not as well as the ignorant fucktard trade apparently




Im confused, was that Directed at me?
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 7:49:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By USGI_45:

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By USGI_45:

Originally Posted By 22bad:
They, like the white supremacists, the race card players(jackson\farahkan) and the terrorists, all seem to have a problem with the joooos




Speaking of the White Supremists, How are they Doing Now days? I bet Business is Booming.



not as well as the ignorant fucktard trade apparently




Im confused, was that Directed at me?



yessir. because you cannot differentiate between racism and nationalism.
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 7:51:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By USGI_45:

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By USGI_45:

Originally Posted By 22bad:
They, like the white supremacists, the race card players(jackson\farahkan) and the terrorists, all seem to have a problem with the joooos




Speaking of the White Supremists, How are they Doing Now days? I bet Business is Booming.



not as well as the ignorant fucktard trade apparently




Im confused, was that Directed at me?



yessir. because you cannot differentiate between racism and nationalism.



and How Do You figure this?
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 7:55:24 PM EDT
You know why folks hate the Jews? When is the last time you had an IDF Chick Sniper MTT come to your base?
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 7:56:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By USGI_45:
and How Do You figure this?



I dunno, probably has something to do with the white supremacist remark towards 22bad
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 7:57:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By USGI_45:
and How Do You figure this?



I dunno, probably has something to do with the white supremacist remark towards 22bad



Yup
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 7:58:33 PM EDT
I pulled this article off of the Aztlan web site. Could be BS or MAYBE somebody is watching these people. I dont know whether it is propaganda or not. Posted for entertainment purposes I guess. What do you think????????
Hector Carreon
La Voz de Aztlan

Los Angeles, Alta California, January 12, 2006 - (ACN) On the morning of December 22, 2005, I noticed a business card that was left at the door of my home. The card was from the US Department of Homeland Security and had a handwritten note that said "Please call". That afternoon I called Los Angeles and spoke with the special agent whose name was on the card. The DHS agent said they wanted to speak to me about "The Aztlan Movement" and my organization. I answered, "Do you mean La Voz de Aztlan?" I added, "La Voz de Aztlan is a news and information service." The special agent wanted to come to my home to speak to me personally on the following day. We made a 8:30 a.m. appointment.

The knock on my door came at precisely 8:30 a.m. on December 23, 2005 as my family was making final preparations for Christmas Day. On the other side of my glass door were two gentlemen dressed in professional business suits. I opened the door and we introduced each other. I escorted them to my living room and introduced the two special agents to two of my family members that were present. We all sat down and the lead government agent began the conversation.

Among the first statements said by the special agent in charge was, "La Voz de Aztlan has raised eyebrows in Washington". He proceeded to ask numerous questions about Aztlan. He said that he was not from the area and wanted to know as much as possible about the "Aztlan Movement" and my organization. I reiterated that "La Voz de Aztlan" is not an organization per se but merely an Internet news service for Mexican and Mexican-Americans in the US Southwest and in Mexico. I added that La Voz de Aztlan, however, had attracted readership and subscriber from around the globe.

He asked what Aztlan meant to me. I answered that Aztlan has many levels of meaning. I said that "Aztlan" in the name of our news publication is mostly symbolic. I gave both special agents the historic and cultural basis for "Aztlan" . I mentioned that there exists historical Mexica documents and old Spanish maps that point to an actual region called "Aztlan" that existed in pre-Columbian times near the "four corners" area of the US Southwest. I mentioned that according to ancient Mexica (Aztec) lore, they were to migrate south to establish the great city of Tenochtitlan (present day Mexico City) at a place where they were to see a "sign". The sign would be "An eagle on top of a cactus with a serpent in its beak". One of the special agents immediately recognized this "sign" as being part of the Mexican flag.

At this point the conversation turned into "Aztlan" being a separatist organization and whether I believed that the Southwest should separate from Washington and become part of Mexico. I said that there are many youths of Mexican descent that believe in such a possibility but that my personal beliefs are more in line with those of Professor Armando Navarro of the University of California and of Professor Charles Truxillo of the University of New Mexico. The special agent asked me whether I believed in the armed and violent overthrow of the US government. I answered "no" and that I believed in making social and political changes through the "ballot box".

The lead special agent also asked questions concerning a news report we had on a legendary Iraqi sniper that our troops have nicknamed "Juba". The report included a link to a video on the server of "The Internet Archive" at www.archive.org. "The Internet Archive" is funded by the US Library of Congress but the video appears to have been produced by Al-Queda. We have now removed two reports on "Juba" because of the concerns communicated to us by the DHS.

There were numerous other questions concerning my education, employment and military record with the US Army 2nd Armored Division. They asked what kind of weapons I own and where in the house I kept them. They asked whether I had friends and who were my associates. They asked about Ernesto Cienfuegos, Roberto Cruz and my association with Dr. Armando Navarro. They also asked how I got along with my neighbors.

At about this point, the second special agent got up and approached me with a clip board and a document. He requested that I print my name on a line at the top and sign at the bottom. I ask what it was for and he answered that it was permission for them to examine my computer. All this time the special agent in charge was in constant radio communication with someone at a remote location. I had to decide on the spot whether to grant permission or insist on a court warrant. I decided that it would be the best course to continue to fully cooperate with the federal agents and I sign the document. Right after I signed, the lead agent radioed someone and within five minutes two more special agents arrived to my home with suitcases of electronic equipment. The lead agent asked me to escort them to my computer room where they spent two hours copying the hard disk of my computer. I do not know what else they did down there because I was kept busy by the other two agents upstairs answering additional questions.

It was clear to me that the Department of Homeland Security had conducted previous surveillance and investigations because they already had much information on myself and our news publication "La Voz de Aztlan". The special agent in charge gave me the distinct impression that they were acting on high level orders from Washington. We suspect Congressman Tom Tancredo, the AIPAC or both. We are presently preparing a "congressional inquiry" in an attempt to find out who was behind this frightening invasion of privacy and government action that has "chilled" our constitutional freedom of speech and of the press.

Link Posted: 4/10/2006 8:00:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By USGI_45:
and How Do You figure this?



I dunno, probably has something to do with the white supremacist remark towards 22bad




I wasnt Making a Remark Towards him. He Brought Up white Supremists and I Just asked a question. It was for anyone, not targeted towards 22bad. It is a question Ive been meaning to ask, But never got around to it. Im curious How the illegal immigration problem is affecting the white supremist groups or at least what others Might Think.
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 8:01:34 PM EDT
Well, if they are the new Palestine and we are the new Israel... can I drive the bulldozer? I've always wanted to drive a bulldozer! ROOM! ROOM!!!


Off topic.. Border Control
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 8:03:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By copenhagen:
Los Angeles, Alta California, January 12, 2006 - (ACN) On the morning of December 22, 2005, I noticed a business card that was left at the door of my home. The card was from the US Department of Homeland Security and had a handwritten note that said "Please call". That afternoon I called Los Angeles and spoke with the special agent whose name was on the card. The DHS agent said they wanted to speak to me about "The Aztlan Movement" and my organization. I answered,
"Do you mean La Voz de Aztlan?" I added, "La Voz de Aztlan is a news and information service."



Is that the one that I did the thread\link on the other day?
They were kind enough to host the names and stories of the female palestinian bombers
and, they had some other pro-terrorist PROPAGANDA there too
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 8:08:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 4/10/2006 8:08:52 PM EDT by motown_steve]
I don't think that anyone on this board who talks big about fighting has any idea just how horrible armed civil unrest in this country would be.


Originally Posted By drjarhead:

What do you think it would take to motivate say 10,000 to put up a fight?



Well, since the fighting would be guerilla fighting, I'm not sure that huge numbers would be what you want. Small groups of trained cut throats is what would be required. People who don't mind getting blood on their hands, and really aren't too particular about whose blood it is.


And where would you recommend the first battle go down?


Battles like the Battle of the Bulge and The Alamo are losing propositions. Guerillas don't fight battles. They ambush, they assassinate, they kidnap, they car bomb and they massacre. But they don't get into pitched battles with their opponents, not if they want to survive.


How would you think we would need to deal with gov't forces?


Well, you wouldn't be able to engage government forces directly. 10,000 men armed with semi-auto assault rifles would wind up as 10,000 corpses if they tried to engage the US military with it's armor, artillery, machine guns, attack helicopters, close air support and shoulder fired missles. To be successful you would have to do what the TERRORISTS are doing in Iraq. You would have to ambush small units, snipe individual soldiers, set off remote detonated explosives, car bomb barracks and checkpoints, kidnap and murder soldiers...AMERICAN soldiers. You would also have to go after collaborators too. You would have to hunt down and murder people cooperating with government forces so that others would fear to work with the government and they would lose their support. You would have to murder families in their beds (husbands, wives, children) for letting soldiers on a patrol take a drink from their hose.


What would be our fallback strategy afterwards?


Fallback? Where are you going to fallback to? Mexico? Canada? Cuba?

There is no fallback. An armed civil uprising is a do or die proposition. You either win or you get hunted down and killed or imprisoned for the rest of your life. There is no truce, there is no armastice, there is no forgiveness. There is victory and there is death.


Not rhetorical questions. I am serious.


Good, because I'm serious too. People on this board like to talk tought "oh, if anyone had the backbone to fight they would have fought a long time ago, no one will stand up for their rights, blah, blah, blah" as if it would be as simple as meeting the redcoats on the field in Lexington or Concord. I hate to break it to you all, but alot has changed in 230 years. Wars are not fought this way anymore. Do you want to know what an American Civil War II would be like? Look at Chechnya, look at Serbia, look at Kosovo, look at Iraq, look at Isreal. These are what civil wars are like. People doing the most horrible things that you can imagine without hesitation, without remorse and without distinguishing the military targets from civilian targets. I hope that I can live the rest of my life without seeing it happen in this country.
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 8:08:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By USGI_45:

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By USGI_45:
and How Do You figure this?



I dunno, probably has something to do with the white supremacist remark towards 22bad



I wasnt Making a Remark Towards him. He Brought Up white Supremists and I Just asked a question. It was for anyone, not targeted towards 22bad. It is a question Ive been meaning to ask, But never got around to it. Im curious How the illegal immigration problem is affecting the white supremist groups or at least what others Might Think.



I have not heard much about white supremacists(NOT capitalized) except for the riots in Cleveland(?)
and, the usual fights in prison, which seem to be MAINLY between blacks and hispanics, the ones in the news anyway
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 8:10:28 PM EDT
No, but the prospect of quality "Aztlan" living/community standards will start impacting SW real estate values, and once that is recognized watch out.

I don't think the Aztlan SW is looking so great to the many East Coast boomers who are soon to retire. The masses of illegal immigrants impact medical care quality plain and simple. Retirees don't want to be in line with a few million Medicaid "subscribers".

La Raza votes will end California's Prop 13 in under a decade. All those multi-million dollar houses owned by old gabachos, paying 1960's real estate taxes? Just too juicy to leave unpicked...
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 8:11:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By copenhagen:
Los Angeles, Alta California, January 12, 2006 - (ACN) On the morning of December 22, 2005, I noticed a business card that was left at the door of my home. The card was from the US Department of Homeland Security and had a handwritten note that said "Please call". That afternoon I called Los Angeles and spoke with the special agent whose name was on the card. The DHS agent said they wanted to speak to me about "The Aztlan Movement" and my organization. I answered,
"Do you mean La Voz de Aztlan?" I added, "La Voz de Aztlan is a news and information service."



Is that the one that I did the thread\link on the other day?
They were kind enough to host the names and stories of the female palestinian bombers
and, they had some other pro-terrorist PROPAGANDA there too



Sounds the same one to me. Plenty of articles slamming Israel,Minutemen, and supposed murders of Hispanics by White Supremest.
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 8:12:54 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By USGI_45:

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By USGI_45:
and How Do You figure this?



I dunno, probably has something to do with the white supremacist remark towards 22bad



I wasnt Making a Remark Towards him. He Brought Up white Supremists and I Just asked a question. It was for anyone, not targeted towards 22bad. It is a question Ive been meaning to ask, But never got around to it. Im curious How the illegal immigration problem is affecting the white supremist groups or at least what others Might Think.



I have not heard much about white supremacists(NOT capitalized) except for the riots in Cleveland(?)
and, the usual fights in prison, which seem to be MAINLY between blacks and hispanics, the ones in the news anyway



Hey sorry if You thought that was an Attack.I was just bringing up a point for discussion. Also about the capitalization sorry if you thought that had some meaning. I have for some reason or another began to capitalize in no real order. It is kind of a screwy habit? I will try to work on it to avoid future confusion.
Again Im sorry if you thought that was an attack or an insult
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 8:16:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By drjarhead:

Originally Posted By Voldermortist:
it will...... they'll take over and there's nothing you can do. Nobody here has the guts to band together and go fight these people when they come.......



What do you think it would take to motivate say 10,000 to put up a fight?
And where would you recommend the first battle go down?
How would you think we would need to deal with gov't forces?
What would be our fallback strategy afterwards?

Not rhetorical questions. I am serious.




The sheeple are way to busy seeking the almighty dollar, the new car, plasma tv, working for their retirement.
Very few would stand up and they would be killed. By the time the sheeple figure it out it will be over and they will be the new minority and America will be lost.
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 8:19:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By USGI_45:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By USGI_45:

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By USGI_45:
and How Do You figure this?



I dunno, probably has something to do with the white supremacist remark towards 22bad



I wasnt Making a Remark Towards him. He Brought Up white Supremists and I Just asked a question. It was for anyone, not targeted towards 22bad. It is a question Ive been meaning to ask, But never got around to it. Im curious How the illegal immigration problem is affecting the white supremist groups or at least what others Might Think.



I have not heard much about white supremacists(NOT capitalized) except for the riots in Cleveland(?)
and, the usual fights in prison, which seem to be MAINLY between blacks and hispanics, the ones in the news anyway



Hey sorry if You thought that was an Attack.I was just bringing up a point for discussion. Also about the capitalization sorry if you thought that had some meaning. I have for some reason or another began to capitalize in no real order. It is kind of a screwy habit? I will try to work on it to avoid future confusion.
Again Im sorry if you thought that was an attack or an insult



Wasn't very clearly worded, forget about it, but race topic statements should be VERY carefully proof read
IMO things like white supremacists, communists, democrats and liberals SHOULDN'T be capitalized(YMMV)
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 8:19:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:

Originally Posted By drjarhead:

Originally Posted By Voldermortist:
it will...... they'll take over and there's nothing you can do. Nobody here has the guts to band together and go fight these people when they come.......



What do you think it would take to motivate say 10,000 to put up a fight?
And where would you recommend the first battle go down?
How would you think we would need to deal with gov't forces?
What would be our fallback strategy afterwards?

Not rhetorical questions. I am serious.




The sheeple are way to busy seeking the almighty dollar, the new car, plasma tv, working for their retirement.
Very few would stand up and they would be killed. By the time the sheeple figure it out it will be over and they will be the new minority and America will be lost.



Agreed and then would ask you "How did that happen."
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 8:24:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By USGI_45:

Originally Posted By 22bad:
They, like the white supremacists, the race card players(jackson\farahkan) and the terrorists, all seem to have a problem with the joooos




Speaking of the White Supremists, How are they Doing Now days? I bet Business is Booming.



I wonder Why ?
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 8:30:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By motown_steve:



Originally Posted By drjarhead:

What do you think it would take to motivate say 10,000 to put up a fight?



Well, since the fighting would be guerilla fighting, I'm not sure that huge numbers would be what you want. Small groups of trained cut throats is what would be required.



That part I agree with - however, I could see that as the fallback position noted below.
Guerilla insurggency tactics initially might not be much of a PR victory nor do much to explain the message.


People who don't mind getting blood on their hands, and really aren't too particular about whose blood it is.


That I totally disagree with. I think that is an attempt by you to muddy the waters so to speak.



And where would you recommend the first battle go down?


Battles like the Battle of the Bulge and The Alamo are losing propositions. Guerillas don't fight battles. They ambush, they assassinate, they kidnap, they car bomb and they massacre. But they don't get into pitched battles with their opponents, not if they want to survive.



Agreed again. FWIW, I have explained this plenty around here.



How would you think we would need to deal with gov't forces?


Well, you wouldn't be able to engage government forces directly. 10,000 men armed with semi-auto assault rifles would wind up as 10,000 corpses if they tried to engage the US military with it's armor, artillery, machine guns, attack helicopters, close air support and shoulder fired missles. To be successful you would have to do what the TERRORISTS are doing in Iraq. You would have to ambush small units, snipe individual soldiers, set off remote detonated explosives, car bomb barracks and checkpoints, kidnap and murder soldiers...AMERICAN soldiers. You would also have to go after collaborators too. You would have to hunt down and murder people cooperating with government forces so that others would fear to work with the government and they would lose their support. You would have to murder families in their beds (husbands, wives, children) for letting soldiers on a patrol take a drink from their hose.



Assuming an intial struggle as above, and I think in the case of a fight against a Mexican invasion and betrayal by our own gov't that would be essential, you would need to have a plan.



What would be our fallback strategy afterwards?


Fallback? Where are you going to fallback to? Mexico? Canada? Cuba?



This is where I see the tactics you elicit above coming into play. IF something like this were to take place there would need to be a plan to melt into the background ASAP.
It has nothing to do with going anywhere else. For me that would almost never be an option anyhow.


There is no fallback. An armed civil uprising is a do or die proposition. You either win or you get hunted down and killed or imprisoned for the rest of your life. There is no truce, there is no armastice, there is no forgiveness. There is victory and there is death.


Pretty much the way I see it.



Not rhetorical questions. I am serious.


Good, because I'm serious too. People on this board like to talk tought "oh, if anyone had the backbone to fight they would have fought a long time ago, no one will stand up for their rights, blah, blah, blah" as if it would be as simple as meeting the redcoats on the field in Lexington or Concord. I hate to break it to you all, but alot has changed in 230 years. Wars are not fought this way anymore. Do you want to know what an American Civil War II would be like? Look at Chechnya, look at Serbia, look at Kosovo, look at Iraq, look at Isreal. These are what civil wars are like. People doing the most horrible things that you can imagine without hesitation, without remorse and without distinguishing the military targets from civilian targets. I hope that I can live the rest of my life without seeing it happen in this country.



Hope all you want, I wouldn't count on it and you would do well to be prepared.

I agree with most everything you have said and I know you have read enough of my posts to know where I am coming from. You had better have a plan, had better have some friends you can count on, had better have soem preps. You seem smart enough to realize that yourself and one day you may have to choose whether to be a slave, a dog for 3rd world scum to kick around, or fight for your country. Not looking good in that respect.
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 8:32:34 PM EDT
Guys, I am seriously spooked. I have seen half a dozen Mexicans today from age 8-27 and they seemed to have an attitude. Up til now, out of a group of 10 Mexicans, one or two could stand on their own away from his crowd, but I see a problem brewing and it will get messy if they are not expelled and soon. Deep down I know it is already too late. My God what have we done to let this canker seeth so long! Planerench.
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 8:33:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:

Originally Posted By drjarhead:

Originally Posted By Voldermortist:
it will...... they'll take over and there's nothing you can do. Nobody here has the guts to band together and go fight these people when they come.......



What do you think it would take to motivate say 10,000 to put up a fight?
And where would you recommend the first battle go down?
How would you think we would need to deal with gov't forces?
What would be our fallback strategy afterwards?

Not rhetorical questions. I am serious.




The sheeple are way to busy seeking the almighty dollar, the new car, plasma tv, working for their retirement.
Very few would stand up and they would be killed.



Worse ways to go.
There sure are worse ways to live.


By the time the sheeple figure it out it will be over and they will be the new minority and America will be lost.


Probably true. Probably.
Most people seem to be catching onto this though. Have you been watching the polls on this?
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 8:37:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By drjarhead:

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:

Originally Posted By drjarhead:

Originally Posted By Voldermortist:
it will...... they'll take over and there's nothing you can do. Nobody here has the guts to band together and go fight these people when they come.......



What do you think it would take to motivate say 10,000 to put up a fight?
And where would you recommend the first battle go down?
How would you think we would need to deal with gov't forces?
What would be our fallback strategy afterwards?

Not rhetorical questions. I am serious.




The sheeple are way to busy seeking the almighty dollar, the new car, plasma tv, working for their retirement.
Very few would stand up and they would be killed.



Worse ways to go.
There sure are worse ways to live.


By the time the sheeple figure it out it will be over and they will be the new minority and America will be lost.


Probably true. Probably.
Most people seem to be catching onto this though. Have you been watching the polls on this?



No, What polls? Seriously.
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 8:40:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Planerench:
Guys, I am seriously spooked. I have seen half a dozen Mexicans today from age 8-27 and they seemed to have an attitude. Up til now, out of a group of 10 Mexicans, one or two could stand on their own away from his crowd, but I see a problem brewing and it will get messy if they are not expelled and soon. Deep down I know it is already too late. My God what have we done to let this canker seeth so long! Planerench.



Spooked in Idaho? You know the shit is deep. The attitude shift is real. I have noticed it many places already.

My old dad has a US citizen (recent) as his housekeeper/helper. He pays her too much and drives her to and from his house. She gave him a little speech last week (not enough money etc). He was stunned.

My dad is as mellow as the day is long. He asks me if he should let her go?
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 8:41:07 PM EDT
The polls I have seen show 60-75% against.
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 8:57:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By drjarhead:

Originally Posted By Voldermortist:
it will...... they'll take over and there's nothing you can do. Nobody here has the guts to band together and go fight these people when they come.......



What do you think it would take to motivate say 10,000 to put up a fight?
And where would you recommend the first battle go down?
How would you think we would need to deal with gov't forces?
What would be our fallback strategy afterwards?

Not rhetorical questions. I am serious.




Like any "popular" conflict, you need a catalyst.
You need to goad them into shooting first, and you need to spin it, quick.
You need to fire people up, and make it seem like this is just the beginning.
You can't let the media spin it as "an isolated incident."
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 8:59:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Planerench:
Guys, I am seriously spooked. I have seen half a dozen Mexicans today from age 8-27 and they seemed to have an attitude. Up til now, out of a group of 10 Mexicans, one or two could stand on their own away from his crowd, but I see a problem brewing and it will get messy if they are not expelled and soon. Deep down I know it is already too late. My God what have we done to let this canker seeth so long! Planerench.



Tolerance.
Political correctness.
The socialists have been long bent on destroying the greatness of this country. To them greatness is fags screwing one another in the ass in front of your children and murdering unborn children.

And the last men of this country have given their balls to their women. We should ALL be ashamed of the nation we will leave our children just as our fathers should be.
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 9:06:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By drjarhead:

Originally Posted By Planerench:
Guys, I am seriously spooked. I have seen half a dozen Mexicans today from age 8-27 and they seemed to have an attitude. Up til now, out of a group of 10 Mexicans, one or two could stand on their own away from his crowd, but I see a problem brewing and it will get messy if they are not expelled and soon. Deep down I know it is already too late. My God what have we done to let this canker seeth so long! Planerench.



Tolerance.
Political correctness.
The socialists have been long bent on destroying the greatness of this country. To them greatness is fags screwing one another in the ass in front of your children and murdering unborn children.

And the last men of this country have given their balls to their women. We should ALL be ashamed of the nation we will leave our children just as our fathers should be.



My dad raised me a lot more conservative than he was raised. I just feel so helpless. Short of hoisting the black flag and slitting throats is there nothing short of bloodshed that can fix this?
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 9:06:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By drjarhead:

Originally Posted By Planerench:
Guys, I am seriously spooked. I have seen half a dozen Mexicans today from age 8-27 and they seemed to have an attitude. Up til now, out of a group of 10 Mexicans, one or two could stand on their own away from his crowd, but I see a problem brewing and it will get messy if they are not expelled and soon. Deep down I know it is already too late. My God what have we done to let this canker seeth so long! Planerench.



Tolerance.
Political correctness.
The socialists have been long bent on destroying the greatness of this country. To them greatness is fags screwing one another in the ass in front of your children and murdering unborn children.

And the last men of this country have given their balls to their women. We should ALL be ashamed of the nation we will leave our children just as our fathers should be.



Isn't that the truth. What do the socialist preach? Diversity,Tolerance,Social change thru indoctrination in the school system. The chickens are just coming come to roost according to my Dad.
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 9:13:57 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By USGI_45:

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By USGI_45:
and How Do You figure this?



I dunno, probably has something to do with the white supremacist remark towards 22bad



I wasnt Making a Remark Towards him. He Brought Up white Supremists and I Just asked a question. It was for anyone, not targeted towards 22bad. It is a question Ive been meaning to ask, But never got around to it. Im curious How the illegal immigration problem is affecting the white supremist groups or at least what others Might Think.



I have not heard much about white supremacists(NOT capitalized) except for the riots in Cleveland(?)
and, the usual fights in prison, which seem to be MAINLY between blacks and hispanics, the ones in the news anyway




Too true.
Anybody still have that newstory?
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 9:17:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Planerench:

Originally Posted By drjarhead:

Originally Posted By Planerench:
Guys, I am seriously spooked. I have seen half a dozen Mexicans today from age 8-27 and they seemed to have an attitude. Up til now, out of a group of 10 Mexicans, one or two could stand on their own away from his crowd, but I see a problem brewing and it will get messy if they are not expelled and soon. Deep down I know it is already too late. My God what have we done to let this canker seeth so long! Planerench.



Tolerance.
Political correctness.
The socialists have been long bent on destroying the greatness of this country. To them greatness is fags screwing one another in the ass in front of your children and murdering unborn children.

And the last men of this country have given their balls to their women. We should ALL be ashamed of the nation we will leave our children just as our fathers should be.



My dad raised me a lot more conservative than he was raised. I just feel so helpless. Short of hoisting the black flag and slitting throats is there nothing short of bloodshed that can fix this?



Not looking like it.
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 9:21:06 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By 22bad:

Originally Posted By USGI_45:

Originally Posted By TheRedHorseman:

Originally Posted By USGI_45:
and How Do You figure this?



I dunno, probably has something to do with the white supremacist remark towards 22bad



I wasnt Making a Remark Towards him. He Brought Up white Supremists and I Just asked a question. It was for anyone, not targeted towards 22bad. It is a question Ive been meaning to ask, But never got around to it. Im curious How the illegal immigration problem is affecting the white supremist groups or at least what others Might Think.



I have not heard much about white supremacists(NOT capitalized) except for the riots in Cleveland(?)
and, the usual fights in prison, which seem to be MAINLY between blacks and hispanics, the ones in the news anyway




Too true.
Anybody still have that newstory?



I couldn't find any of the "nazis rioting" headlines

Toledo protest against Nazis turns violent
www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/112945523510061.xml&coll=2
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 9:22:12 PM EDT

Originally Posted By drjarhead:

Originally Posted By Planerench:

Originally Posted By drjarhead:

Originally Posted By Planerench:
Guys, I am seriously spooked. I have seen half a dozen Mexicans today from age 8-27 and they seemed to have an attitude. Up til now, out of a group of 10 Mexicans, one or two could stand on their own away from his crowd, but I see a problem brewing and it will get messy if they are not expelled and soon. Deep down I know it is already too late. My God what have we done to let this canker seeth so long! Planerench.



Tolerance.
Political correctness.
The socialists have been long bent on destroying the greatness of this country. To them greatness is fags screwing one another in the ass in front of your children and murdering unborn children.

And the last men of this country have given their balls to their women. We should ALL be ashamed of the nation we will leave our children just as our fathers should be.



My dad raised me a lot more conservative than he was raised. I just feel so helpless. Short of hoisting the black flag and slitting throats is there nothing short of bloodshed that can fix this?



Not looking like it.



Nope
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 9:55:02 PM EDT
Ok the Anti- Americans have gotten the Illegal/immigrants to protest in the major cities. This I see as a major tactical mistake. While there are many illegals in rural areas . In the first battle for control, we can choke off the big citties. They do not grow the food to feed the masses.
While farms in many areas use the migrants to harvest crops, they can be harvested other wise.
It would not take that much to disrupt the supply lines into the Major cities. Those of us in "fly over" country know how to control the country.
The media would like nothing more then to see bombings in the US because if it bleeds it gets ratings.
Their slant on the "barricade" would be how we are killing women and children.
Our Wheat and Corn feed the world, If we can't send it we can send much of the world into strife.
We as Americans could burn Corn/Wheat as a fuel as the the world starves.
They wish for the worst, but we control the food. And I am not talking NYC, or L.A. .
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 9:58:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By snarfbatt:
Ok the Anti- Americans have gotten the Illegal/immigrants to protest in the major cities. This I see as a major tactical mistake. While there are many illegals in rural areas . In the first battle for control, we can choke off the big citties. They do not grow the food to feed the masses.
While farms in many areas use the migrants to harvest crops, they can be harvested other wise.
It would not take that much to disrupt the supply lines into the Major cities. Those of us in "fly over" country know how to control the country.
The media would like nothing more then to see bombings in the US because if it bleeds it gets ratings.
Their slant on the "barricade" would be how we are killing women and children.
Our Wheat and Corn feed the world, If we can't send it we can send much of the world into strife.
We as Americans could burn Corn/Wheat as a fuel as the the world starves.
They wish for the worst, but we control the food. And I am not talking NYC, or L.A. .



Good thoughts.
You are correct that we know how to control the "country".
Link Posted: 4/10/2006 10:09:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By drjarhead:
The polls I have seen show 60-75% against.




The MSM polls ? , by their track record , i would say the numbers are even higher
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