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Posted: 1/15/2014 8:47:10 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/15/2014 8:47:40 AM EDT
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They do for people in states that forbid SBR's
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Posted: 1/15/2014 8:48:26 AM EDT
[#2]
Yes.
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Posted: 1/15/2014 8:48:46 AM EDT
[#3]
Fun, which is really the primary purpose of most guns.
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Posted: 1/15/2014 8:51:26 AM EDT
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Yes. <a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/dab969/media/image_zps3628c1fd.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg141/dab969/image_zps3628c1fd.jpg</a> I hope you know that looks disgusting. I mean, hey, enjoy it and all, but damn. 
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Posted: 1/15/2014 8:51:51 AM EDT
[#5]
Get home gun.
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Posted: 1/15/2014 8:51:53 AM EDT
[#6]
yup helps outlaw AP rifle rounds..
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Posted: 1/15/2014 8:52:06 AM EDT
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Less costly to SBR (well, more or less)
Can try it out and make sure it runs before getting a tax stamp for it, which is really the big benefit. |
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Posted: 1/15/2014 8:52:20 AM EDT
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They are a great way to enjoy your SBR while waiting for the stamp to come back. Shooting them as is can be tough, but you can always fashion a short sling and attach it to the rear of the receiver. push the weapon away from you to create tension and it makes a pretty stable shooting platform. SIG is great for that.
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Posted: 1/15/2014 8:52:30 AM EDT
[#9]
Keeps the hearing aid industry healthy.
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Posted: 1/15/2014 8:53:15 AM EDT
[#10]
Nice Hunting pistols
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Posted: 1/15/2014 8:53:38 AM EDT
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Yup! They are fun and a great starting point for an SBR.
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Posted: 1/15/2014 8:54:25 AM EDT
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I SBRed one of the Sigs and it is a nice toy now. |
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Posted: 1/15/2014 8:54:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/15/2014 8:56:43 AM EDT
[#14]
flamethrower
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Posted: 1/15/2014 8:59:24 AM EDT
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What sort of hack job barrel is that? It looks like a cut down Draco. Pics of gas piston, or what's left or it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
What sort of hack job barrel is that? It looks like a cut down Draco. Pics of gas piston, or what's left or it? Micro draco |
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Posted: 1/15/2014 8:59:45 AM EDT
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Now we have to justify having certain types of firearms by proving their practicality? How about this: Enough people want them, therefore they exist. Their practicality is their ability to satisfy the desire of those people to have one. |
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Posted: 1/15/2014 8:59:49 AM EDT
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I can leave a round in the chamber in a pistol in my vehicle in CO, not so with a rifle
Easy to SBR Open carry? |
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:00:23 AM EDT
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FPNI
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:00:36 AM EDT
[#19]
Well not with pussy mags
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:01:34 AM EDT
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yup helps outlaw AP rifle rounds.. |
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:03:21 AM EDT
[#21]
holsters available?
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:04:29 AM EDT
[#22]
They're easy to Form 1 into SBRs.
Other than that, no, outside of quaint local law idiosyncrasies. |
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:06:27 AM EDT
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I'm building a 300 BLK pistol while I decide if I want to go through the trouble of SBRing it or not. I may or may not put a Sig brace on it.
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:06:43 AM EDT
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Put a sling on the back and push out. They shoot fine that way.
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:07:25 AM EDT
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I can leave a round in the chamber in a pistol in my vehicle in CO, not so with a rifle Easy to SBR Open carry? In some states you can only CCW a pistol. Throw that bitch in a backpack and you become a Zen Mall Ninja. |
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:07:40 AM EDT
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I built/assembled an AR pistol because 1) I simply can and wanted to 2) Liberals hate them.
Why do we need to justify owning any gun? |
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:08:06 AM EDT
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Now we have to justify having certain types of firearms by proving their practicality? How about this: Enough people want them, therefore they exist. Their practicality is their ability to satisfy the desire of those people to have one. This. |
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:09:38 AM EDT
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Practical use seems dubious.
Maximum fun level... yes? |
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:11:39 AM EDT
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I hope you know that looks disgusting. I mean, hey, enjoy it and all, but damn. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes. <a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/dab969/media/image_zps3628c1fd.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg141/dab969/image_zps3628c1fd.jpg</a> I hope you know that looks disgusting. I mean, hey, enjoy it and all, but damn. Tag for pic of missing finger after it accidentally slips in front of muzzle (date TBD). |
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:14:18 AM EDT
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Not for me.
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:14:37 AM EDT
[#31]
One member here has a great self defense story involving a Draco.
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:16:05 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:16:55 AM EDT
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Put a sling on the back and push out. They shoot fine that way. CAA cheek weld and Thordsen buffer tube cover make a GREAT cheek weld, for your pistol... that doesn't have a stock
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:17:08 AM EDT
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Yes, but only to get around stupid federal and state laws. If not for those laws, this kind of firearm would not exist as everyone looking for a compact rifle/pdw would get something with at least a folding stock
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:17:17 AM EDT
[#35]
If they work they do.
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:17:20 AM EDT
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I built/assembled an AR pistol because 1) I simply can and wanted to 2) Liberals hate them. Why do we need to justify owning any gun? No shit. I have an M92. I plan to SBR it. As far as blaming people who own them for the ban of AP ammo... let's leave the fault where it belongs; with the politicians who created the law. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:17:23 AM EDT
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An SBR is a Rifle, and therefore illegal to carry in the front seat loaded and uncased in my state.
A pistol, I can lay on the front seat. The law doesn't specify if it's an AR-15 pistol or a PF-9. Practical reasons are basically "use from or getting in and out of a car."
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:19:34 AM EDT
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No shit. I have an M92. I plan to SBR it. As far as blaming people who own them for the ban of AP ammo... let's leave the fault where it belongs; with the politicians who created the law. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I built/assembled an AR pistol because 1) I simply can and wanted to 2) Liberals hate them. Why do we need to justify owning any gun? No shit. I have an M92. I plan to SBR it. As far as blaming people who own them for the ban of AP ammo... let's leave the fault where it belongs; with the politicians who created the law. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile can we blame Olympic too? |
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:25:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: An SBR is a Rifle, and therefore illegal to carry in the front seat loaded and uncased in my state. A pistol, I can lay on the front seat. The law doesn't specify if it's an AR-15 pistol or a PF-9. Practical reasons are basically "use from or getting in and out of a car." |
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:25:31 AM EDT
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One member here has a great self defense story involving a Draco. C'mon man, no link?!?! |
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:25:44 AM EDT
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Makes liberals cry, got to get my liberal tears from somewhere.
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:26:20 AM EDT
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A pistol, I can lay on the front seat. The law doesn't specify if it's an AR-15 pistol or a PF-9. Practical reasons are basically "use from or getting in and out of a car." Question is with such a short barrel, will your "rifle's" rounds have enough velocity to fragment reliably/properly inside soft tissue? I personally do not see a super short SBR as a respectable self defense weapon unless you specifically want the capability to perforate soft body armor. Without reliable fragmentation you're using a high capacity .22. I'd rather use a 9mm with Federal HSTs/Winchester Ranger/Speer Gold Dots if that's the case. Smaller and should provide more tissue damage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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An SBR is a Rifle, and therefore illegal to carry in the front seat loaded and uncased in my state. The law doesn't specify if it's an AR-15 pistol or a PF-9. Practical reasons are basically "use from or getting in and out of a car." Question is with such a short barrel, will your "rifle's" rounds have enough velocity to fragment reliably/properly inside soft tissue? I personally do not see a super short SBR as a respectable self defense weapon unless you specifically want the capability to perforate soft body armor. Without reliable fragmentation you're using a high capacity .22. I'd rather use a 9mm with Federal HSTs/Winchester Ranger/Speer Gold Dots if that's the case. Smaller and should provide more tissue damage. But can your 9mm handgun hit a target at 300 yards? |
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:26:58 AM EDT
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I hope you know that looks disgusting. I mean, hey, enjoy it and all, but damn. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes. <a href="http://s247.photobucket.com/user/dab969/media/image_zps3628c1fd.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg141/dab969/image_zps3628c1fd.jpg</a> I hope you know that looks disgusting. I mean, hey, enjoy it and all, but damn. This.
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:27:01 AM EDT
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A pistol, I can lay on the front seat. The law doesn't specify if it's an AR-15 pistol or a PF-9. Practical reasons are basically "use from or getting in and out of a car." Question is with such a short barrel, will your "rifle's" rounds have enough velocity to fragment reliably/properly inside soft tissue? I personally do not see a super short SBR as a respectable self defense weapon unless you specifically want the capability to perforate soft body armor. Without reliable fragmentation you're using a high capacity .22. I'd rather use a 9mm with Federal HSTs/Winchester Ranger/Speer Gold Dots if that's the case. Smaller and should provide more tissue damage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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An SBR is a Rifle, and therefore illegal to carry in the front seat loaded and uncased in my state. The law doesn't specify if it's an AR-15 pistol or a PF-9. Practical reasons are basically "use from or getting in and out of a car." Question is with such a short barrel, will your "rifle's" rounds have enough velocity to fragment reliably/properly inside soft tissue? I personally do not see a super short SBR as a respectable self defense weapon unless you specifically want the capability to perforate soft body armor. Without reliable fragmentation you're using a high capacity .22. I'd rather use a 9mm with Federal HSTs/Winchester Ranger/Speer Gold Dots if that's the case. Smaller and should provide more tissue damage. Depends on the round. 7.62x39 loses very little velocity from an M92 vs a normal AK barrel for example, so...it's perfectly viable in that short a package. Now, 5.56...different story. |
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:27:11 AM EDT
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Not for me. But yes for me! 
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:28:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But can your 9mm handgun hit a target at 300 yards? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: An SBR is a Rifle, and therefore illegal to carry in the front seat loaded and uncased in my state. The law doesn't specify if it's an AR-15 pistol or a PF-9. Practical reasons are basically "use from or getting in and out of a car." Question is with such a short barrel, will your "rifle's" rounds have enough velocity to fragment reliably/properly inside soft tissue? I personally do not see a super short SBR as a respectable self defense weapon unless you specifically want the capability to perforate soft body armor. Without reliable fragmentation you're using a high capacity .22. I'd rather use a 9mm with Federal HSTs/Winchester Ranger/Speer Gold Dots if that's the case. Smaller and should provide more tissue damage. But can your 9mm handgun hit a target at 300 yards? |
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:28:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: C'mon man, no link?!?! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: One member here has a great self defense story involving a Draco. C'mon man, no link?!?! I pinged him. Maybe he'll show up. |
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:28:25 AM EDT
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A pistol, I can lay on the front seat. The law doesn't specify if it's an AR-15 pistol or a PF-9. Practical reasons are basically "use from or getting in and out of a car." Question is with such a short barrel, will your "rifle's" rounds have enough velocity to fragment reliably/properly inside soft tissue? I personally do not see a super short SBR as a respectable self defense weapon unless you specifically want the capability to perforate soft body armor. Without reliable fragmentation you're using a high capacity .22. I'd rather use a 9mm with Federal HSTs/Winchester Ranger/Speer Gold Dots if that's the case. Smaller and should provide more tissue damage. Maybe I'm ignorant though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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An SBR is a Rifle, and therefore illegal to carry in the front seat loaded and uncased in my state. The law doesn't specify if it's an AR-15 pistol or a PF-9. Practical reasons are basically "use from or getting in and out of a car." Question is with such a short barrel, will your "rifle's" rounds have enough velocity to fragment reliably/properly inside soft tissue? I personally do not see a super short SBR as a respectable self defense weapon unless you specifically want the capability to perforate soft body armor. Without reliable fragmentation you're using a high capacity .22. I'd rather use a 9mm with Federal HSTs/Winchester Ranger/Speer Gold Dots if that's the case. Smaller and should provide more tissue damage. Maybe I'm ignorant though. are you saying a 123g SST out of that 8" (appears to be around 8") barrel is similar to a .22lr? ETA: or a 62g TSX (for the 556 offerings) |
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:29:52 AM EDT
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yup helps outlaw AP rifle rounds.. I wasn't aware that inanimate objects, such as firearms, were capable of drafting,voting on, and signing into law legislation. |
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Posted: 1/15/2014 9:30:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Depends on the round. 7.62x39 loses very little velocity from an M92 vs a normal AK barrel for example, so...it's perfectly viable in that short a package. Now, 5.56...different story. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: An SBR is a Rifle, and therefore illegal to carry in the front seat loaded and uncased in my state. The law doesn't specify if it's an AR-15 pistol or a PF-9. Practical reasons are basically "use from or getting in and out of a car." Question is with such a short barrel, will your "rifle's" rounds have enough velocity to fragment reliably/properly inside soft tissue? I personally do not see a super short SBR as a respectable self defense weapon unless you specifically want the capability to perforate soft body armor. Without reliable fragmentation you're using a high capacity .22. I'd rather use a 9mm with Federal HSTs/Winchester Ranger/Speer Gold Dots if that's the case. Smaller and should provide more tissue damage. Depends on the round. 7.62x39 loses very little velocity from an M92 vs a normal AK barrel for example, so...it's perfectly viable in that short a package. Now, 5.56...different story. |
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