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Posted: 1/15/2014 8:47:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/10/2014 10:28:02 AM EDT by Stripeknight]
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 8:47:40 AM EDT
They do for people in states that forbid SBR's
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 8:48:26 AM EDT
Yes.


Link Posted: 1/15/2014 8:48:46 AM EDT
Fun, which is really the primary purpose of most guns.
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 8:51:26 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By EagleArmsHBAR:
Yes.
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I hope you know that looks disgusting.

I mean, hey, enjoy it and all, but damn.  
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 8:51:51 AM EDT
Get home gun.
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 8:51:53 AM EDT
yup helps outlaw AP rifle rounds..
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 8:52:06 AM EDT
Less costly to SBR (well, more or less)

Can try it out and make sure it runs before getting a tax stamp for it, which is really the big benefit.
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 8:52:20 AM EDT
They are a great way to enjoy your SBR while waiting for the stamp to come back. Shooting them as is can be tough, but you can always fashion a short sling and attach it to the rear of the receiver. push the weapon away from you to create tension and it makes a pretty stable shooting platform. SIG is great for that.
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 8:52:30 AM EDT
Keeps the hearing aid industry healthy.
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 8:53:15 AM EDT
Nice Hunting pistols
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 8:53:38 AM EDT
Yup! They are fun and a great starting point for an SBR.
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 8:54:25 AM EDT



I SBRed one of the Sigs and it is a nice toy now.
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What sort of hack job barrel is that? It looks like a cut down Draco. Pics of gas piston, or what's left or it?



 
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 8:56:43 AM EDT
flamethrower
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 8:59:24 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By AKengineer:
What sort of hack job barrel is that? It looks like a cut down Draco. Pics of gas piston, or what's left or it?
 
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Originally Posted By AKengineer:
What sort of hack job barrel is that? It looks like a cut down Draco. Pics of gas piston, or what's left or it?
 

Micro draco
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 8:59:45 AM EDT


Now we have to justify having certain types of firearms by proving their practicality?  

How about this: Enough people want them, therefore they exist.  Their practicality is their ability to satisfy the desire of those people to have one.
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 8:59:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/15/2014 9:00:50 AM EDT by bradpierson26]
I can leave a round in the chamber in a pistol in my vehicle in CO, not so with a rifle

Easy to SBR

Open carry?

Link Posted: 1/15/2014 9:00:23 AM EDT
FPNI
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 9:00:36 AM EDT
Well not with pussy mags
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 9:01:34 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 1/15/2014 9:03:21 AM EDT
holsters available?
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 9:04:29 AM EDT
They're easy to Form 1 into SBRs.

Other than that, no, outside of quaint local law idiosyncrasies.
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 9:06:27 AM EDT
I'm building a 300 BLK pistol while I decide if I want to go through the trouble of SBRing it or not. I may or may not put a Sig brace on it.
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 9:06:43 AM EDT
Put a sling on the back and push out.  They shoot fine that way.
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 9:07:25 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:
I can leave a round in the chamber in a pistol in my vehicle in CO, not so with a rifle

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In some states you can only CCW a pistol.  Throw that bitch in a backpack and you become a Zen Mall Ninja.
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 9:07:40 AM EDT
I built/assembled an AR pistol because 1) I simply can and wanted to 2) Liberals hate them.

Why do we need to justify owning any gun?
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 9:08:06 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By bailey559:


Now we have to justify having certain types of firearms by proving their practicality?  

How about this: Enough people want them, therefore they exist.  Their practicality is their ability to satisfy the desire of those people to have one.
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This.
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 9:09:38 AM EDT
Practical use seems dubious.

Maximum fun level... yes?
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 9:11:39 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TrojanMan:


I hope you know that looks disgusting.

I mean, hey, enjoy it and all, but damn.  
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Originally Posted By EagleArmsHBAR:
Yes.
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I hope you know that looks disgusting.

I mean, hey, enjoy it and all, but damn.  



Tag for pic of missing finger after it accidentally slips in front of muzzle (date TBD).
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 9:14:18 AM EDT
Not for me.
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 9:14:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/15/2014 9:15:25 AM EDT by wingnutx]
One member here has a great self defense story involving a Draco.
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That poor AK. It's like a lowered ghetto truck with no room for any suspension travel.





 
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 9:16:55 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By jhereg:
Put a sling on the back and push out.  They shoot fine that way.
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CAA cheek weld and Thordsen buffer tube cover make a GREAT cheek weld, for your pistol... that doesn't have a stock
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 9:17:08 AM EDT
Yes, but only to get around stupid  federal and state laws. If not for those laws, this kind of firearm would not exist as everyone looking for a compact rifle/pdw would get something with at least a folding stock

Link Posted: 1/15/2014 9:17:17 AM EDT
If they work they do.
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 9:17:20 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Cjones124:
I built/assembled an AR pistol because 1) I simply can and wanted to 2) Liberals hate them.

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No shit.

I have an M92. I plan to SBR it.

As far as blaming people who own them for the ban of AP ammo... let's leave the fault where it belongs; with the politicians who created the law.

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Link Posted: 1/15/2014 9:17:23 AM EDT
An SBR is a Rifle, and therefore illegal to carry in the front seat loaded and uncased in my state.



A pistol, I can lay on the front seat.




The law doesn't specify if it's an AR-15 pistol or a PF-9.




Practical reasons are basically "use from or getting in and out of a car."
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 9:19:34 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Clockwork138:

No shit.

I have an M92. I plan to SBR it.

As far as blaming people who own them for the ban of AP ammo... let's leave the fault where it belongs; with the politicians who created the law.

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Originally Posted By Clockwork138:
Originally Posted By Cjones124:
I built/assembled an AR pistol because 1) I simply can and wanted to 2) Liberals hate them.

Why do we need to justify owning any gun?

No shit.

I have an M92. I plan to SBR it.

As far as blaming people who own them for the ban of AP ammo... let's leave the fault where it belongs; with the politicians who created the law.

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can we blame Olympic too?
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 9:25:08 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By RR_Broccoli:




An SBR is a Rifle, and therefore illegal to carry in the front seat loaded and uncased in my state.






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A pistol, I can lay on the front seat.










The law doesn't specify if it's an AR-15 pistol or a PF-9.










Practical reasons are basically "use from or getting in and out of a car."
Question is with such a short barrel, will your "rifle's" rounds have enough velocity to fragment reliably/properly inside soft tissue? I personally do not see a super short SBR as a respectable self defense weapon unless you specifically want the capability to perforate soft body armor. Without reliable fragmentation you're using a high capacity .22. I'd rather use a 9mm with Federal HSTs/Winchester Ranger/Speer Gold Dots if that's the case. Smaller and should provide more tissue damage. Maybe I'm ignorant though.
 
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Originally Posted By wingnutx:
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C'mon man, no link?!?!
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 9:25:44 AM EDT
Makes liberals cry, got to get my liberal tears from somewhere.
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 9:26:20 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Alien:
A pistol, I can lay on the front seat.

The law doesn't specify if it's an AR-15 pistol or a PF-9.

Practical reasons are basically "use from or getting in and out of a car."

Question is with such a short barrel, will your "rifle's" rounds have enough velocity to fragment reliably/properly inside soft tissue? I personally do not see a super short SBR as a respectable self defense weapon unless you specifically want the capability to perforate soft body armor. Without reliable fragmentation you're using a high capacity .22. I'd rather use a 9mm with Federal HSTs/Winchester Ranger/Speer Gold Dots if that's the case. Smaller and should provide more tissue damage.
 
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Originally Posted By Alien:
Originally Posted By RR_Broccoli:
An SBR is a Rifle, and therefore illegal to carry in the front seat loaded and uncased in my state.
A pistol, I can lay on the front seat.

The law doesn't specify if it's an AR-15 pistol or a PF-9.

Practical reasons are basically "use from or getting in and out of a car."

Question is with such a short barrel, will your "rifle's" rounds have enough velocity to fragment reliably/properly inside soft tissue? I personally do not see a super short SBR as a respectable self defense weapon unless you specifically want the capability to perforate soft body armor. Without reliable fragmentation you're using a high capacity .22. I'd rather use a 9mm with Federal HSTs/Winchester Ranger/Speer Gold Dots if that's the case. Smaller and should provide more tissue damage.
 


But can your 9mm handgun hit a target at 300 yards?
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 9:26:58 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By TrojanMan:


I hope you know that looks disgusting.

I mean, hey, enjoy it and all, but damn.  
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Originally Posted By TrojanMan:
Originally Posted By EagleArmsHBAR:
Yes.
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I hope you know that looks disgusting.

I mean, hey, enjoy it and all, but damn.  


This.
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 9:27:01 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Alien:
A pistol, I can lay on the front seat.

The law doesn't specify if it's an AR-15 pistol or a PF-9.

Practical reasons are basically "use from or getting in and out of a car."

Question is with such a short barrel, will your "rifle's" rounds have enough velocity to fragment reliably/properly inside soft tissue? I personally do not see a super short SBR as a respectable self defense weapon unless you specifically want the capability to perforate soft body armor. Without reliable fragmentation you're using a high capacity .22. I'd rather use a 9mm with Federal HSTs/Winchester Ranger/Speer Gold Dots if that's the case. Smaller and should provide more tissue damage.
 
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Originally Posted By Alien:
Originally Posted By RR_Broccoli:
An SBR is a Rifle, and therefore illegal to carry in the front seat loaded and uncased in my state.
A pistol, I can lay on the front seat.

The law doesn't specify if it's an AR-15 pistol or a PF-9.

Practical reasons are basically "use from or getting in and out of a car."

Question is with such a short barrel, will your "rifle's" rounds have enough velocity to fragment reliably/properly inside soft tissue? I personally do not see a super short SBR as a respectable self defense weapon unless you specifically want the capability to perforate soft body armor. Without reliable fragmentation you're using a high capacity .22. I'd rather use a 9mm with Federal HSTs/Winchester Ranger/Speer Gold Dots if that's the case. Smaller and should provide more tissue damage.
 


Depends on the round. 7.62x39 loses very little velocity from an M92 vs a normal AK barrel for example, so...it's perfectly viable in that short a package.

Now, 5.56...different story.
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Originally Posted By Stripeknight:
But can your 9mm handgun hit a target at 300 yards?
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Originally Posted By Stripeknight:



Originally Posted By Alien:


Originally Posted By RR_Broccoli:

An SBR is a Rifle, and therefore illegal to carry in the front seat loaded and uncased in my state.

A pistol, I can lay on the front seat.



The law doesn't specify if it's an AR-15 pistol or a PF-9.



Practical reasons are basically "use from or getting in and out of a car."



Question is with such a short barrel, will your "rifle's" rounds have enough velocity to fragment reliably/properly inside soft tissue? I personally do not see a super short SBR as a respectable self defense weapon unless you specifically want the capability to perforate soft body armor. Without reliable fragmentation you're using a high capacity .22. I'd rather use a 9mm with Federal HSTs/Winchester Ranger/Speer Gold Dots if that's the case. Smaller and should provide more tissue damage.

 




But can your 9mm handgun hit a target at 300 yards?
The probability that you'd need to hit a target in some sort of justified defensive situation at 300 yards is practically non existent.



 
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:





C'mon man, no link?!?!
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Originally Posted By bradpierson26:



Originally Posted By wingnutx:

One member here has a great self defense story involving a Draco.


C'mon man, no link?!?!


I pinged him. Maybe he'll show up.



 
Link Posted: 1/15/2014 9:28:25 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Alien:
A pistol, I can lay on the front seat.

The law doesn't specify if it's an AR-15 pistol or a PF-9.

Practical reasons are basically "use from or getting in and out of a car."

Question is with such a short barrel, will your "rifle's" rounds have enough velocity to fragment reliably/properly inside soft tissue? I personally do not see a super short SBR as a respectable self defense weapon unless you specifically want the capability to perforate soft body armor. Without reliable fragmentation you're using a high capacity .22. I'd rather use a 9mm with Federal HSTs/Winchester Ranger/Speer Gold Dots if that's the case. Smaller and should provide more tissue damage. Maybe I'm ignorant though.
 
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Originally Posted By Alien:
Originally Posted By RR_Broccoli:
An SBR is a Rifle, and therefore illegal to carry in the front seat loaded and uncased in my state.
A pistol, I can lay on the front seat.

The law doesn't specify if it's an AR-15 pistol or a PF-9.

Practical reasons are basically "use from or getting in and out of a car."

Question is with such a short barrel, will your "rifle's" rounds have enough velocity to fragment reliably/properly inside soft tissue? I personally do not see a super short SBR as a respectable self defense weapon unless you specifically want the capability to perforate soft body armor. Without reliable fragmentation you're using a high capacity .22. I'd rather use a 9mm with Federal HSTs/Winchester Ranger/Speer Gold Dots if that's the case. Smaller and should provide more tissue damage. Maybe I'm ignorant though.
 

are you saying a 123g SST out of that 8" (appears to be around 8") barrel is similar to a .22lr?
ETA: or a 62g TSX (for the 556 offerings)
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Originally Posted By Fat_McNasty:
yup helps outlaw AP rifle rounds..
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I wasn't aware that inanimate objects, such as firearms, were capable of drafting,voting on, and signing into law legislation.
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Originally Posted By Evil_Ed:
Depends on the round. 7.62x39 loses very little velocity from an M92 vs a normal AK barrel for example, so...it's perfectly viable in that short a package.



Now, 5.56...different story.
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Originally Posted By Alien:


Originally Posted By RR_Broccoli:

An SBR is a Rifle, and therefore illegal to carry in the front seat loaded and uncased in my state.

A pistol, I can lay on the front seat.



The law doesn't specify if it's an AR-15 pistol or a PF-9.



Practical reasons are basically "use from or getting in and out of a car."



Question is with such a short barrel, will your "rifle's" rounds have enough velocity to fragment reliably/properly inside soft tissue? I personally do not see a super short SBR as a respectable self defense weapon unless you specifically want the capability to perforate soft body armor. Without reliable fragmentation you're using a high capacity .22. I'd rather use a 9mm with Federal HSTs/Winchester Ranger/Speer Gold Dots if that's the case. Smaller and should provide more tissue damage.

 




Depends on the round. 7.62x39 loses very little velocity from an M92 vs a normal AK barrel for example, so...it's perfectly viable in that short a package.



Now, 5.56...different story.
He specifically mentioned an AR-15 pistol so I assumed 5.56.



 
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