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7/18/2005 9:44:37 PM EDT
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7/18/2005 9:45:35 PM EDT
[#1]
Liberal Douche Bags.
7/18/2005 9:47:19 PM EDT
[#2]
Dont use either one...... They can still bit my ass though.
7/18/2005 9:47:23 PM EDT
[#3]
Do they have a dog at the office?
7/18/2005 9:51:28 PM EDT
[#4]
Your name is Gerald?
7/18/2005 9:52:59 PM EDT
[#5]
Love it or hate it, it is a private company and it is a well known Terms of Use policy.
While I do disagree with it it is within there right to do that.
7/18/2005 9:58:36 PM EDT
[#6]
The real question is why you are using their services.

7/18/2005 10:00:34 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
The real question is why you are using their services.




I was wondering that as well.  Both are well known to be anti-gun.
7/18/2005 10:00:43 PM EDT
[#8]
It was just to easy to use.

Dscott:  Yes, my name is Gerald
7/18/2005 10:06:16 PM EDT
[#9]
Ok, some of you are asking why them. I respond with the question of if not paypal, who else? Paypal is discontinuing the billpay service so I want to find another online transfer system. I have an ethical objection with being able to use my credit card to spend money, then not being able to use "online" money to pay back to that credit card. Paypal is going to make money on your spending, but give you no alternative to pay it back, kinda seems greedy to me!
7/18/2005 11:47:49 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:
Ok, some of you are asking why them. I respond with the question of if not paypal, who else? Paypal is discontinuing the billpay service so I want to find another online transfer system. I have an ethical objection with being able to use my credit card to spend money, then not being able to use "online" money to pay back to that credit card. Paypal is going to make money on your spending, but give you no alternative to pay it back, kinda seems greedy to me!



Send a damn check or do a wire transfer.

Besides, paypal is not very secure, lot's of stories of people getting ripped off.
7/19/2005 12:03:40 AM EDT
[#11]
PayPal is secure, its the morons that fall for phishing scams that aren't.
7/19/2005 12:16:40 AM EDT
[#12]
Paypal never knows what I am selling, nor what I buy. I make sure of that before using their service.
7/19/2005 1:09:44 AM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:
PayPal is secure, its the morons that fall for phishing scams that aren't.



+1

I hear this from friends all the time, but they're also the same friends that fall for the "Please click our link here and enter your paypal password for verification purposes" email scam.  
7/19/2005 1:18:49 AM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
My PayPal account was closed because I sold some 30rd mags and someone paid with PayPal.  I emailed them and explained what had happened and here is there response.


Dear Gerald Smith

PayPal fully supports your right as a law enforcement officer to purchase/sell
equipment. However, certain equipment, in this case high capacity
magazines, cannot be purchased using our service. Regardless of whether or
not any particular item is legal to purchase that alone does not
necessarily translate into compliance with the PayPal Acceptable Use Policy.

Due to the violation of PayPals Acceptable Use Policy regarding Firearms,
Weapons, and Knives, your account has been closed.

If you have any questions, please contact the PayPal Acceptable Use Policy
Department at [email protected].

Sincerely,
PayPal Acceptable Use Policy Department
PayPal, an eBay Company



Amazing,
srt205



You mean if you bought/sold a knife using paypal, they'd close your account?  WTF?
7/19/2005 1:28:31 AM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:

Quoted:
My PayPal account was closed because I sold some 30rd mags and someone paid with PayPal.  I emailed them and explained what had happened and here is there response.


Dear Gerald Smith

PayPal fully supports your right as a law enforcement officer to purchase/sell
equipment. However, certain equipment, in this case high capacity
magazines, cannot be purchased using our service. Regardless of whether or
not any particular item is legal to purchase that alone does not
necessarily translate into compliance with the PayPal Acceptable Use Policy.

Due to the violation of PayPals Acceptable Use Policy regarding Firearms,
Weapons, and Knives, your account has been closed.

If you have any questions, please contact the PayPal Acceptable Use Policy
Department at [email protected].

Sincerely,
PayPal Acceptable Use Policy Department
PayPal, an eBay Company



Amazing,
srt205



You mean if you bought/sold a knife using paypal, they'd close your account?  WTF?



Yeah...and just think, I sold a machinegun once and got paid with paypal.
7/19/2005 1:31:17 AM EDT
[#16]
I have used paypal on many gun item purchases, however I always simply send it as quasi cash and nothing else.
7/19/2005 1:39:48 AM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:

Quoted:
My PayPal account was closed because I sold some 30rd mags and someone paid with PayPal.  I emailed them and explained what had happened and here is there response.


Dear Gerald Smith

PayPal fully supports your right as a law enforcement officer to purchase/sell
equipment. However, certain equipment, in this case high capacity
magazines, cannot be purchased using our service. Regardless of whether or
not any particular item is legal to purchase that alone does not
necessarily translate into compliance with the PayPal Acceptable Use Policy.

Due to the violation of PayPals Acceptable Use Policy regarding Firearms,
Weapons, and Knives, your account has been closed.

If you have any questions, please contact the PayPal Acceptable Use Policy
Department at [email protected].

Sincerely,
PayPal Acceptable Use Policy Department
PayPal, an eBay Company



Amazing,
srt205



You mean if you bought/sold a knife using paypal, they'd close your account?  WTF?



Boy are they gonna be pissed when they find out I paid for my GF's Henckel's cutlery with Paypal...

Idiots.

7/19/2005 1:39:51 AM EDT
[#18]

Quoted:
PayPal is secure, its the morons that fall for phishing scams that aren't.



Regardless, they are anti-gun.  That is enough.
7/19/2005 1:53:36 AM EDT
[#19]

Quoted:
Paypal never knows what I am selling, nor what I buy. I make sure of that before using their service.



Exactly.  Amazing how I can buy two copies of Liz Phair's latest album and the package shows up containing two 30 round Colt magazines.  
7/19/2005 1:56:08 AM EDT
[#20]
What are some reasonable alternatives for the avagerage Joe who wants to accept credit card payments online?
7/19/2005 2:26:03 AM EDT
[#21]
I can't help but notice that ARFCOM takes payments from PayPal....

Sounds like ARFCOM needs to develop a PayPal for gun folks.... I have to think that the minds that run ARFCOM and some of the Lawyer types on the site could make a go of it.

I think I'll run it by one of the Avila's....

Dave
7/19/2005 2:28:45 AM EDT
[#22]
I still use PayPal for everything I buy off GunBroker.  I just paid for my SKS two weeks ago using PayPal.  How would they know?
7/19/2005 2:40:57 AM EDT
[#23]
I'm torn about PayPal. On one hand, I abhore their rabid anti-gun stance. On the other hand, I find it ironic that I continue to use their service for firearm purchases and they never notice. Heck, that's all I use it for.
7/19/2005 3:00:43 AM EDT
[#24]

Dear Paul E. Britton ([email protected]),


Please be advised that the following auction:

6529039104 - Kershaw Ken Onion Leek ~~~Black Smoke Handle~~~ Knife                              

was ended early by eBay. The auction was ended due to the account suspension of the seller.
All results for this auction are null and void.


Regards,
Customer Support (Trust and Safety Department)
eBay Inc






BASTARDS!
7/19/2005 4:15:51 AM EDT
[#25]
Just have the title say Porno Magazines for AR

they will be ok with that

Essayons
7/19/2005 4:19:58 AM EDT
[#26]

Quoted:
Just have the title say Porno Magazines for AR

they will be ok with that

Essayons

7/19/2005 4:21:20 AM EDT
[#27]
It's funny how they allow dozens of people to sell Contender barrels .... but not magazines. What's up with that? Scopes? why do they just target magazines and knives?

EDIT: Nevermind .... I just read their rules. They specifically target high-cap mags "assualt weapons related" ....
7/19/2005 4:23:52 AM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:
Ok, some of you are asking why them. I respond with the question of if not paypal, who else? Paypal is discontinuing the billpay service so I want to find another online transfer system. I have an ethical objection with being able to use my credit card to spend money, then not being able to use "online" money to pay back to that credit card. Paypal is going to make money on your spending, but give you no alternative to pay it back, kinda seems greedy to me!




For the past two months, I've been using a service called MyCheckFree.com to pay my cell phone bill. They have an amazing selection of public utilities and consumer service payment options.  I haven't tried them for anything other than for my Sprint PCS account, but so far so good and I'm not complaining..


GG
7/19/2005 4:26:58 AM EDT
[#29]
cant you put "f-you you anti American assholes" in the fill in box?
7/19/2005 4:29:58 AM EDT
[#30]
Like others, I use paypal to do a lot of business with others that involes gunparts that are on the banned list. I learned early on that you have to lie to them to get it past the automated filters that looks for the "bad" words in your transfers.  If AR15.com produced a money transfer system, I would sign up for it........till then I will have to use the other thing to get by on.

It seems just plain wrong to me to not allow an LEO to get the gear he needs to do his job with.......just wrong.
7/19/2005 4:30:48 AM EDT
[#31]
I just went and closed my Mutha f&^^king Pay pal account. Fuck em, and I willl be finding a different site for email.
7/19/2005 4:38:37 AM EDT
[#32]
Don't blame Pay Pal. There is no way for them to police where this stuff is sold or shipped.
If it ends up in a restrictive state or country they can be considered culpable in a court of law.
Blame it on the lawyers.
7/19/2005 4:39:49 AM EDT
[#33]
friggen liberals will be the death of us all.
7/19/2005 5:01:26 AM EDT
[#34]
I just found out the guy I bought a rifle from last week through paypal had his account closed for this reason, and froze the assets in it. Thats BS. I will use an escrow service from now on, last night I closed my account and let them know why.


Don't blame Pay Pal. There is no way for them to police where this stuff is sold or shipped.
If it ends up in a restrictive state or country they can be considered culpable in a court of law.



So UPS and the USPS can ALSO be considered culpable in a court of law? It's not JUST guns, its gun accessories to.

You guys using Paypal should know; they only cover losses to $500, and if you issue a chargeback or claim against the seller you have to dispute it with paypal, so if you lie about what you are buying, and the seller screws you, you have ZERO recourse. You can't file a claim, or issue a chargeback, because you were violating the terms of use by purchasing "banned" goods.
7/19/2005 5:16:57 AM EDT
[#35]
I stopped using paypal over a year ago due to this type of crap.
Fuck them they dont get any of my money.
7/19/2005 5:22:53 AM EDT
[#36]
You play with snakes and then act suprised when bitten?
7/19/2005 5:27:22 AM EDT
[#37]

Quoted:
My PayPal account was closed because I sold some 30rd mags and someone paid with PayPal.  I emailed them and explained what had happened and here is there response.


Dear Gerald Smith

PayPal fully supports your right as a law enforcement officer to purchase/sell equipment.



Amazing,
srt205


What amazes me is that you apparently tried to claim "protected status" as a LEO.  What's good for the gander. . . .
7/19/2005 5:29:11 AM EDT
[#38]
They are going to be PISSED when they discover I bought not only barrels for ARs but also lots of magazines...all using PayPal.

But since none were sold through ebay, I guess they will never know.
7/19/2005 5:45:26 AM EDT
[#39]
I use paypal alot. There are not many alternatives to it. Many of my clients also use it, as it is a hell of alot cheaper than a merchant account. The trick is to never leave any money in it. I keep a cheezy free checking account w/ debit card hooked up to it and I use the PAYPAL debit card as well.

When ever I use paypal to recieve money I withdraw it from the ATM taking the max out everyday untill it is all out.

I also NEVER submit money to people I don't trust well. On ebay they have to have been active for more than 6 months and have double digit 99% or better feedback ratings. Also people who rip you off on shipping cannot be expected to be honest anyway so I use this as a litmus test.

If there is something I really want and I don't think they are 100% trustworthy, then I only spend money I don't care about loosing, never over $30 bucks. Only been burned once or twice. If paypal closes your account just open another one, just never leave any money in it.

Always send or request money as cash or services. If you know how paypal can screw people then you can learn to work the system.
7/19/2005 6:01:37 AM EDT
[#40]
Fuck Them. I'm closing my account.
7/19/2005 6:04:17 AM EDT
[#41]
Better not tell them I paid for an AR barrel using their services.
7/19/2005 6:06:09 AM EDT
[#42]
FOOK 'EM!!
7/19/2005 6:14:48 AM EDT
[#43]

Quoted:
My PayPal account was closed because I sold some 30rd mags and someone paid with PayPal.  I emailed them and explained what had happened and here is there response.


Dear Gerald Smith

PayPal fully supports your right as a law enforcement officer to purchase/sell
equipment. However, certain equipment, in this case high capacity
magazines, cannot be purchased using our service. Regardless of whether or
not any particular item is legal to purchase that alone does not
necessarily translate into compliance with the PayPal Acceptable Use Policy.

Due to the violation of PayPals Acceptable Use Policy regarding Firearms,
Weapons, and Knives, your account has been closed.

If you have any questions, please contact the PayPal Acceptable Use Policy
Department at [email protected].

Sincerely,
PayPal Acceptable Use Policy Department
PayPal, an eBay Company



Amazing,
srt205



Did you loose any money out of that account from it being closed?  If so, I wonder how you'd go about getting that money back.
7/19/2005 6:21:42 AM EDT
[#44]

Ok, some of you are asking why them. I respond with the question of if not paypal, who else?


US Postal money order has always worked for me.
7/19/2005 6:24:36 AM EDT
[#45]
Have the NRA boycott them.
7/19/2005 6:27:05 AM EDT
[#46]

Quoted:
Paypal never knows what I am selling, nor what I buy. I make sure of that before using their service.



+1, I've purchased 2 rifles thru PayPal, magazines, ammunition etc. I never let them know what I'm buying, and their service is convenient for me.
7/19/2005 6:50:44 AM EDT
[#47]
I paid for my whole damn AR with paypal!
7/19/2005 7:18:07 AM EDT
[#48]
how'd they find out?  you put magazines in the description field?
7/19/2005 7:19:17 AM EDT
[#49]
"goods - other"  ----
7/19/2005 7:20:18 AM EDT
[#50]
Again, you guys that say they just don't tell them: you get screwed by the seller you have no recourse whatsoever. Not even a chargeback. Good luck with that.
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