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Posted: 8/27/2005 8:53:33 PM EDT
Anyone shot the new Super Redhawk in .480 Ruger? My brother is thinking of buying one in this caliber as a bear stopper in AK. My understanding is that it's a cross between a .45LC and a .45-70.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 9:03:51 PM EDT
Tell him to forget the pistol-and get the Marlin rifle in .480 Ruger. Or both if he has the $$$$$. but I have read some stories about Alaska-and pretty much everybody carries a .45-70. Can't beat that artillery shell!!
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 9:04:40 PM EDT
To add to the question...has anyone shot it , the .480, side by side with the .454 in the short barrel guns? Is anyone aware of any penetration tests with the .480 and heavy cast bullets?
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 9:05:34 PM EDT
BOOM!!!
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 9:06:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By LeonardC:
To add to the question...has anyone shot it , the .480, side by side with the .454 in the short barrel guns? Is anyone aware of any penetration tests with the .480 and heavy cast bullets?



Box O Truth time!
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 9:07:56 PM EDT
It's a shortened .475 Linebaugh a 325 grain bullet at 1325 fps.

The 475 Linebaugh is a 45-70 trimmed to 1.5 inches and sized for .475 bullets. It's 370 grain bullet at 1495 fps and a 440 grain bullet at 1360 fps.

Buffalo Bore lists their 45-70 350 gr. J.F.N. @2150 fps

A from them 45 Colt +p load is listed as 325 gr. L.B.T.- L.F.N. @1325 fps and one their Standard Pressure Heavy 45Colt is 255gr @1000fps.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 9:15:24 PM EDT
I would look for a rifle that shoots both 475 Line and 480 Ruger. I dunno about revolvers, a 475 pistol would be extra heavy.
Link Posted: 8/27/2005 10:15:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pieceofstink:
Tell him to forget the pistol-and get the Marlin rifle in .480 Ruger. Or both if he has the $$$$$. but I have read some stories about Alaska-and pretty much everybody carries a .45-70. Can't beat that artillery shell!!



He has a Marlin Guide Gun I gave him already. How does the .480 Ruger compare to the .45-70?
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 5:53:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/28/2005 9:30:24 AM EDT by txgp17]

Originally Posted By PeteCO:
He has a Marlin Guide Gun I gave him already. How does the .480 Ruger compare to the .45-70?


With 400 grain bullets, the 45-70 has a 600-800 fps advantage over the .480 Ruger.
45-70 @ 2,000 fps [assuming you're using high pressure ammo designed for modern rifles and not older (weaker) trapdoor Springfields]
.480 @ 1,200 fps

But remember, the 45-70 is clocked from a rifle, the .480 out of a pistol. I don't know how much extra speed the .480 would gain with an extra 12 or 14 inches of barrel. I recall reading the different velocities for .357 magnum when fired out of a rifle compared to a pistol. I have some hard data at home in my Hornady Reloading manual. I'll follow up with that stuff later tomorrow when I get there.

"IF" the .480 could get a 600-700 fps advantage from a rifle barrel, it wouldn't make much sense to carry a 45-70 when you could have a rifle and pistol sharing the same ammo.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 6:22:09 AM EDT
The .454 has more oomph and speed. The 480 has less recoil, [and was one reason why it was developed] a bit larger diameter and can handle a bit heavier bullet. It is NOT a .454 tho and is not loaded to the pressures a stiff .454 is. [65,000] It was designed to make a large hole with manageable recoil and it does that well.

I tend toward the .454 tho as I can shoot anything from .45 colt loads to 300 grainers at 1800FPS+ and I can find ammo easier. I still have some original Freedom Arms ammo for the .454, thumpin stuff that, and no longer loaded by them. The 480 is a good choice but will not penatrate as well on very large game due to the larger diameter and meplat. {I believe the diff was well over 1 foot and close to 2 foot if I recall correctly} Still a excellent deer round and black bear load in NA tho the .454 is what I would choose for anything larger, BTW the 454 is closer to the 45/70 then the 480 is.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:15:02 AM EDT
I totally agree with fxntime.



The porting on the bbl this gun does a good job of keeping the muzzle flip down and I find the recoil is no worse than max loads in my Ruger Super Blackhawk .44mag.

The cartridge in the middle is a .44 Rem Mag.
The cartridge on the left is a hand load with a 350gr. Hawk soft point bullet.
The cartridge on the right is a factory Hornady 325gr. hollow point.

For lack of any other ballistic test medium and just for grins we shot a stack of wet phonebooks (OP would be proud of the setup)... We didn't have a chronograph at the time.
The 325gr. factory soft point penetrated 16" with the classic mushroom and had a recovered weight of 300gr..
The 350gr. Hawk bullet penetrated 23" with virtually no deformation at all and had a recoverd weight of 340gr.

I thinks it's a good gun but imo, I also think that a Griz' will just laugh at it....
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:25:34 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 7:30:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AZ_Sky:
I totally agree with fxntime.

www.pbase.com/terry_56/image/33180148.jpg

The porting on the bbl this gun does a good job of keeping the muzzle flip down and I find the recoil is no worse than max loads in my Ruger Super Blackhawk .44mag.

The cartridge in the middle is a .44 Rem Mag.
The cartridge on the left is a hand load with a 350gr. Hawk soft point bullet.
The cartridge on the right is a factory Hornady 325gr. hollow point.

For lack of any other ballistic test medium and just for grins we shot a stack of wet phonebooks (OP would be proud of the setup)... We didn't have a chronograph at the time.
The 325gr. factory soft point penetrated 16" with the classic mushroom and had a recovered weight of 300gr..
The 350gr. Hawk bullet penetrated 23" with virtually no deformation at all and had a recoverd weight of 340gr.

I thinks it's a good gun but imo, I also think that a Griz' will just laugh at it....




Nice grips, Hmmmmmmm. I do know a 454 will go thru a 8" red oak and still punch thru a deer. I did not intend to, was surprised the 260 grain Winnie supreme still managed to punch all the way thru, tho I doubt it expanded at all. Still a 1 shot immediate kill. My friend has a .480 and he loves it, but he is envious that I can shoot a greater selection of bullets and factory stuff.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 9:57:37 AM EDT
New Marlin Model 1895RL in 480 Ruger/475 Linebaugh

Caliber 480 Ruger / 475 Linebaugh
Capacity 6-shot (480 Ruger) or 5-shot (475 Linebaugh) tubular magazine
Action Lever action; side ejection; solid top receiver; deeply blued metal surfaces; hammer block safety.
Stock American black walnut pistol grip stock with fluted comb; cut checkering; ventilated recoil pad; tough Mar-Shield® finish; swivel studs.
Barrel 18-1/2" with deep-cut Ballard-type rifling (6 grooves).
Twist Rate 1:20" r.h.
Sights Adjustable semi-buckhorn folding rear, ramp front sight with brass bead and Wide-Scan™ hood. Solid top receiver tapped for scope mount; offset hammer spur (right or left hand) for scope use.
Overall Length 37"
Weight 7 lbs.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 7:22:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By txgp17:
New Marlin Model 1895RL in 480 Ruger/475 Linebaugh

Caliber 480 Ruger / 475 Linebaugh
Capacity 6-shot (480 Ruger) or 5-shot (475 Linebaugh) tubular magazine
Action Lever action; side ejection; solid top receiver; deeply blued metal surfaces; hammer block safety.
Stock American black walnut pistol grip stock with fluted comb; cut checkering; ventilated recoil pad; tough Mar-Shield® finish; swivel studs.
Barrel 18-1/2" with deep-cut Ballard-type rifling (6 grooves).
Twist Rate 1:20" r.h.
Sights Adjustable semi-buckhorn folding rear, ramp front sight with brass bead and Wide-Scan™ hood. Solid top receiver tapped for scope mount; offset hammer spur (right or left hand) for scope use.
Overall Length 37"
Weight 7 lbs.



Actually, if I'm not mistaken, that rifle never made it. It's not in the '05 catalog. I've been waiting on it since Winchester backed out of thier's only to find Marlin couldn't make it work either. However, I believe you can get a Puma '92 levergun in that caliber. As to the revolver, I have one with a 7 1/2" barrel. I love it. Recoil wasn't as bad as I expected.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 7:25:29 PM EDT
A Marlin Guide Gun in .45-70 and a Super Redhawk in .454 Casull can't be beat when it comes to finding a pissed off bear and knocking him the fuck out of action.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 8:24:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JTChance:Actually, if I'm not mistaken, that rifle never made it. It's not in the '05 catalog. I've been waiting on it since Winchester backed out of thier's only to find Marlin couldn't make it work either. However, I believe you can get a Puma '92 levergun in that caliber. As to the revolver, I have one with a 7 1/2" barrel. I love it. Recoil wasn't as bad as I expected.

I think you're right about the production.

Also, I'm going through my Hornady Reloading Manual, 6th Edition, comparing the velocities of pistol cartridges in rifles. The velocities listed are the maximum attained by at least two powders in the manual. I'm listing modern cartridges that operate at high pressures.


357 Magnum Pistol: Colt Python with 8" barrel
125 grain - 1,550 fps
140 grain - 1,350 fps
158 grain - 1,250 fps
180 grain - 1,100 fps

357 Magnum Rifle: Rossi Model 92 with 16" barrel
125 grain - 2,000 fps +450
140 grain - 1,900 fps +550
158 grain - 1,650 fps +400
180 grain - 1,400 fps +300




44 Remington Magnum Pistol: Ruger Blackhawk with 7.5" barrel
180 grain - 1,600 fps
200 grain - 1,550 fps
240 grain - 1,400 fps
265 grain - 1,350 fps
300 grain - 1,200 fps

44 Remington Magnum Rifle: Ruger Carbine with 18" barrel
180 grain - 2,100 fps +500
200 grain - 2,000 fps +450
240 grain - 1,800 fps +400
265 grain - 1,700 fps +350
300 grain - 1,400 fps +200

Link Posted: 8/29/2005 9:59:26 PM EDT
Have you considered the new S&W .460 Mag??? I just fired mine for the first time the other day and it wasn't too bad with the full power loads...plus you can fire the .45 LC and the .454 Casull in it!
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 10:36:31 PM EDT
I think most of you are placeing way to much emphasis on velocity, however if velocity is your game you can hit 1400 fps from the 7.5 SBH by useing a good 320 Gr. cast bullet, the same load through the Marlin levergun will exceed 1600 fps (keep in mind the twist rate in the Marlin may not do well with heavy bullets.) I think one of the better combinations is the 45 Colt in a 5.5" Revolver and a Levergun. I shoot a 335 Cast in a 5.5" gun at 1320 fps, I imagine this same load would run around 1600 fps in a levergun (I don't have a levergun in a 45 Colt as I carry a 45-70).
When I get up in the morning I hope you haven't killed all the Bears off, You guys have enough firepower in this thread to kill all the Bears in Alaska 10 X over.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 10:46:32 PM EDT
It's mostly little black bears around Juneau there, Pete.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 10:58:24 PM EDT
What about that long-haired hippy SOB and his girlfriend who got eaten a few months ago??

Those definitely weren't black bears. Or what about that hiker with the huge penis who was half eaten??
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 11:13:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/29/2005 11:15:28 PM EDT by Ustulina]
Timmy Treadwell, aka BearBait, wasn't anywhere near PeteCO's brother's area. To be frank, Southeast AK, might as well be on the moon for as removed as it is from the rest of the state.

But I don't agree that black bear are the only bear issue in JNU. While it's totally true that this morning, the bear some of my co-workers saw at the Breeze In doughnut shop was a blackie, and that a lot of the bear encounters are black bears, there is usually a brown bear or two in the West Glacier Trail area.

I do definitely agree that brown bear encounters don't factor into my psyche when out and about in Juneau compared to, say about 20 minutes from now when I transit between the office and my residence here on Chichagoff. The chances of running into a large brown bear are simply always there on Chichagoff, and I'd have a tough time being out and about after dark in the woods.

Yes, I am a sissy.

Link Posted: 8/29/2005 11:14:19 PM EDT
A friend in Ketchikan says pretty much carry a "forty-something-revolver." His theory is hitting a bear with a big magnum revolver is probably similar to shooting a big human with a .380. Where available, a big rifle or shotgun with slugs is preferred. He sent me a Christmas card a few years ago right after he and his wife had their first child. It was a family picture, the baby was in the stroller...and on the side of the stroller was a scabbard. . They lived somewhat near the "dump" and bears showed up from time to time.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 11:18:47 PM EDT
Yah, up in Yakutat before they started torching the garbage, you'd take your garbage to the dump and be thronged by about 4 or 5 bears. You would huck one bag of garbage into the paws of one bear, and then pay off the rest until garbage bags were gone. Burning the garbage has really helped to reduce this issue, but I imagine, it doesn't do a great deal for air quality.

In Southeast, generally, the bears cause much less mayhem than they are capable of. Opportunists, entirely. Antichrists, only in specific instances.
Link Posted: 8/30/2005 12:01:27 AM EDT
Yep, only blacks around Ketchikan. They don't get very big, and unless you tangle with a momma that has cubs they tend to act like garbage loving stray dogs. I pack a 1911 that would be plenty for those critters.
Link Posted: 8/30/2005 6:35:17 AM EDT
I carry a 4" .44 mag loaded with 330 grain hardcast for the griz down here in the states. But if I was headin' into Kodiak country (I hope to do just that next year), then I'd probably pack a 4" S&W .500 on my side. Although, that new Ruger Alaskan tiny thingy in .454 would be an option also...
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