Posted: 7/16/2014 9:01:43 AM EDT
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The .45 ACP and the 1911 platform is much loved. (by me! I have a 1911)
The .45 Colt is maligned and disdained as a useless turd. Especially in the Judge platform( I don't own one) Why? At it's worst, the Colt is the ballistic equivalent of the ACP, loaded hot, it is vastly superior, riding the coat tails of the .44 magnum. ACP examples Speer Gold Dot .45 ACP GDHP 230grn muzzle energy 404 velocity 890 Buffalo Bore +P .45 ACP +P JHP 230grn muzzle energy 461 velocity 950 Colt examples Speer Gold Dot .45 Colt GDHP 250grn muzzle energy 312 velocity 750 Buffalo +P 325 gr. L.B.T.-L.F.N. (1,325 fps/M.E. 1,267 ft. lbs.) Six shot vs seven( OK 8 with expensive mags) and the additional versatility of being able to load for pest control and survival hunting with .410 shells. I just figured I'd entertain myself with the justifications of why the Judge is a POS even though it's cartridge is ballistically superior to the GREAT .45 ACP. ( which I love and own) Seems to me that the Judge is an excellent survival /backpack gun, and a reasonable choice for self defense, especially for folks not savvy or comfortable with auto-loaders. Yes, it's time for the weekly Judge Hate Thread! Now with Ballistics! Cut me some slack, I'm in the in- laws Town house in Bogota with nothing to do! 
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The Judge would make a perfectly adequate SD gun if stoked with a good .45Colt load. (Provided it worked well... Taurus QC is spotty at best).
The "hate" comes from the enormous marketing hype that came with the gun... mainly espousing that "you can't miss with this" .410 birdshot was the best SD load ever devised. 
The strange irony from S&W is that the "Governor" shotshell gun is the cheapest .45 revolver in the catalog. 
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That the 1911 is functionally equivalent to a 150-year-old revolver just shows you how obsolete it really is.
Even Browning himself knew it was a turd, which is why he developed the vastly superior HiPower. For those who many not be students of history, the "high power" referred to the capacity - nearly double what's in the 1911 even with original mags. And nowadays, when you have available 20+ rd capacity handguns that are smaller and lighter than a 1911? Puh-lease. It's not even a question anymore. Anybody with a standard capacity 1911 that thinks of it as anything but a target gun, collector piece, or fun range toy... the only word to describe them is delusional. |
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That the 1911 is functionally equivalent to a 150-year-old revolver just shows you how obsolete it really is. Even Browning himself knew it was a turd, which is why he developed the vastly superior HiPower. For those who many not be students of history, the "high power" referred to the capacity - nearly double what's in the 1911 even with original mags. And nowadays, when you have available 20+ rd capacity handguns that are smaller and lighter than a 1911? Puh-lease. It's not even a question anymore. Anybody with a standard capacity 1911 that thinks of it as anything but a target gun, collector piece, or fun range toy... the only word to describe them is delusional. There are an awful lot of "delusional" people carrying 1911's that I wouldn't want to face in a gun fight. |
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There are an awful lot of "delusional" people carrying 1911's that I wouldn't want to face in a gun fight. Quoted:
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That the 1911 is functionally equivalent to a 150-year-old revolver just shows you how obsolete it really is. Even Browning himself knew it was a turd, which is why he developed the vastly superior HiPower. For those who many not be students of history, the "high power" referred to the capacity - nearly double what's in the 1911 even with original mags. And nowadays, when you have available 20+ rd capacity handguns that are smaller and lighter than a 1911? Puh-lease. It's not even a question anymore. Anybody with a standard capacity 1911 that thinks of it as anything but a target gun, collector piece, or fun range toy... the only word to describe them is delusional. There are an awful lot of "delusional" people carrying 1911's that I wouldn't want to face in a gun fight. I don't want to get shot with birdshot either. Doesn't make it an optimum choice. |
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The .45 Colt is maligned and disdained as a useless turd. Especially in the Judge platform( I don't own one) 
By whom? And when have you EVER heard of a Judge owner using anything but shotshells in their Judge? I've never met one that actually used .45 Colt in the gun. The problem isn't .45 Colt, it's retarded Judge owners. |
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45 Colt +P like Buffalo Bore is offering is very likely going to blow up a Judge or at the very least wear it out real quick. Remember the 45 Colt is an old Black Powder cartridge and thus operates at relatively low pressures with a maximum pressure of 14,000psi. This is similar to 410 shotguns at 12,500psi for 2.5 inch and 13,500psi for 3.0 inch chambers. The 45 ACP is a modern cartridge and operates at moderate pressures for modern handguns, max pressure of 21,000 psi. That said I suspect Buffalo Bore is exceeding 30,000psi to achieve muzzle energies over 1200 ft-lbs from a 45 Colt. If you want that type of performance go buy a 44 Mag or 454 Casull or similar cartridge that was designed for pressures and energies that high.
The Taurus Judge is a fun gun and not much more. You could get a Raging Judge that is designed for 454 Casull but you would be better off with a good revolver like a S&W or Ruger. |
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That the 1911 is functionally equivalent to a 150-year-old revolver just shows you how obsolete it really is. Even Browning himself knew it was a turd, which is why he developed the vastly superior HiPower. For those who many not be students of history, the "high power" referred to the capacity - nearly double what's in the 1911 even with original mags. And nowadays, when you have available 20+ rd capacity handguns that are smaller and lighter than a 1911? Puh-lease. It's not even a question anymore. Anybody with a standard capacity 1911 that thinks of it as anything but a target gun, collector piece, or fun range toy... the only word to describe them is delusional. 
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That the 1911 is functionally equivalent to a 150-year-old revolver just shows you how obsolete it really is. Even Browning himself knew it was a turd, which is why he developed the vastly superior HiPower. For those who many not be students of history, the "high power" referred to the capacity - nearly double what's in the 1911 even with original mags. And nowadays, when you have available 20+ rd capacity handguns that are smaller and lighter than a 1911? Puh-lease. It's not even a question anymore. Anybody with a standard capacity 1911 that thinks of it as anything but a target gun, collector piece, or fun range toy... the only word to describe them is delusional. Quoted:
That the 1911 is functionally equivalent to a 150-year-old revolver just shows you how obsolete it really is. Even Browning himself knew it was a turd, which is why he developed the vastly superior HiPower. For those who many not be students of history, the "high power" referred to the capacity - nearly double what's in the 1911 even with original mags. And nowadays, when you have available 20+ rd capacity handguns that are smaller and lighter than a 1911? Puh-lease. It's not even a question anymore. Anybody with a standard capacity 1911 that thinks of it as anything but a target gun, collector piece, or fun range toy... the only word to describe them is delusional. I have 10 round single stack magazines for 1911's. Double wides can equal and exceed the capacity of the "range toys". (Who the fuck coined that bit of nonsense?) Quoted:
Pistols are not ideal for suppressive fire. For one, they lack a T&E. You need to watch some old Westerns. |
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Quoted: That the 1911 is functionally equivalent to a 150-year-old revolver just shows you how obsolete it really is. Even Browning himself knew it was a turd, which is why he developed the vastly superior HiPower. For those who many not be students of history, the "high power" referred to the capacity - nearly double what's in the 1911 even with original mags. And nowadays, when you have available 20+ rd capacity handguns that are smaller and lighter than a 1911? Puh-lease. It's not even a question anymore. Anybody with a standard capacity 1911 that thinks of it as anything but a target gun, collector piece, or fun range toy... the only word to describe them is delusional. Yeahhhhhhhhhh. |
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45 Colt +P like Buffalo Bore is offering is very likely going to blow up a Judge or at the very least wear it out real quick. Remember the 45 Colt is an old Black Powder cartridge and thus operates at relatively low pressures with a maximum pressure of 14,000psi. This is similar to 410 shotguns at 12,500psi for 2.5 inch and 13,500psi for 3.0 inch chambers. The 45 ACP is a modern cartridge and operates at moderate pressures for modern handguns, max pressure of 21,000 psi. That said I suspect Buffalo Bore is exceeding 30,000psi to achieve muzzle energies over 1200 ft-lbs from a 45 Colt. If you want that type of performance go buy a 44 Mag or 454 Casull or similar cartridge that was designed for pressures and energies that high. The Taurus Judge is a fun gun and not much more. You could get a Raging Judge that is designed for 454 Casull but you would be better off with a good revolver like a S&W or Ruger. I had to look that up, I can't believe it is an actual model! |
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I have 10 round single stack magazines for 1911's. Double wides can equal and exceed the capacity of the "range toys". (Who the fuck coined that bit of nonsense?) 10 rounds in a full size gun with an extended mag. That's nice, honey. An M&P Compact holds twelve, at 2/3 the size and half the weight, and does it with a standard mag. Doublestacks aren't 1911s (and their advent is notably more recent than 100 years ago). |
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Quoted: 10 rounds in a full size gun with an extended mag. That's nice, honey. An M&P Compact holds twelve, at 2/3 the size and half the weight, and does it with a standard mag. Doublestacks aren't 1911s (and their advent is notably more recent than 100 years ago). Quoted: Quoted: I have 10 round single stack magazines for 1911's. Double wides can equal and exceed the capacity of the "range toys". (Who the fuck coined that bit of nonsense?) 10 rounds in a full size gun with an extended mag. That's nice, honey. An M&P Compact holds twelve, at 2/3 the size and half the weight, and does it with a standard mag. Doublestacks aren't 1911s (and their advent is notably more recent than 100 years ago). |
| I think the hate comes from CA/SASS shooters who load 45 colt to .22 long rifle standards and act all bad-ass as you watch the round go downrange. Someone that does not know better thinks, that is all 45 Colt has, instead of knowing it is some type of wimpy “cowboy load”. |
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Quoted: I think the hate comes from CA/SASS shooters who load 45 colt to .22 long rifle standards and act all bad-ass as you watch the round go downrange. Someone that does not know better thinks, that is all 45 Colt has, instead of knowing it is some type of wimpy "cowboy load”. Also the fact that the judge is an ugly heavy chunk of shit which would be slower to target than the main guns of the 16th century Spanish Galleons.
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good thing that Colt .45 is shit..glad all them dead Injuns First Peoples, Cowboys Non gender specific Mark 1 bovine manager
Lairs, politicians, thieves politicians and whores non gender specific "sex workers" and or politicians can get up now and die of old age.. 
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That the 1911 is functionally equivalent to a 150-year-old revolver just shows you how obsolete it really is. Even Browning himself knew it was a turd, which is why he developed the vastly superior HiPower. For those who many not be students of history, the "high power" referred to the capacity - nearly double what's in the 1911 even with original mags. And nowadays, when you have available 20+ rd capacity handguns that are smaller and lighter than a 1911? Puh-lease. It's not even a question anymore. Anybody with a standard capacity 1911 that thinks of it as anything but a target gun, collector piece, or fun range toy... the only word to describe them is delusional. why the hate??? 
racist. .gunist,, 1911 standard cap has been knocking people dead for 100 years and counting..hell the Army may get as smart as some Marines and go back to that old warhorse with a few upgrades..maybe even double stack .45acp and only have to shoot em once,more humane
way to knock down the badguys. .
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That's nice and all, but you're stuck with 9mm euro fag for that capacity. No doubt, ammunition ought to be updated as the pistols have been. Both major rounds are 100 years old, and .40 is nothing more than a marketing compromise to split the difference. If the 9mm were made today, it ought to be another mm or two longer in case length, with straight walls and no taper, and designed for bullets in the 125-135gr range at 1200+FPS. Also have a load at 90gr+/- with a tungsten penetrator at 1500FPS+. Pack 20 of those into a polymer frame and there's your new military service pistol everyone wants. Oh, wait, that's what the Russians did. Twenty years ago.
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