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Posted: 1/3/2006 4:46:59 PM EDT
[#1]
As many as it takes.....screw my ears, if the guy has a gun he's gotta get some |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 4:47:16 PM EDT
[#2]
in a senario like you describe, you won't even notice the noise
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Posted: 1/3/2006 4:48:17 PM EDT
[#3]
+1 |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 4:49:11 PM EDT
[#4]
You won't even notice the noise.
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Posted: 1/3/2006 4:49:50 PM EDT
[#5]
This is correct, as proven by many, many reports from those that have been there, done that. Worries about "noise" are silly. Your life is at stake. |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 4:50:48 PM EDT
[#6]
I've done my fair share of hunting. Once, had to quickly bring my 7 mag into play to deal with an animal that a young hunter in our group wounded and which was promptly running straight away from us. I fired two shots in rapid successon before bringing the animal down, and didn't even notice the sound of my otherwise extremely loud rifle. My ears hurt later, mind you. But while the shit was hitting the fan, I didn't notice it.
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Posted: 1/3/2006 4:50:52 PM EDT
[#7]
Shoot to KILL... it is within your rights to protect yourself,family and belongings.
Said person has NO RIGHTS being in YOUR house and by being in YOUR house he is a hostile intruder intent on killing you with said GUN. LEOS what say Ye? Oh... just to add.... as stated.. noise will not be on your mind nor be an issue. |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 4:50:56 PM EDT
[#8]
I think I bring the total up to +5 |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 4:54:58 PM EDT
[#9]
Not a rifle, but I have fired a 12 bore shotgun indoors without hearing protection on two occasions. Did not notice the blast at the time, follow up shots would have been easy. |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:04:54 PM EDT
[#10]
Then why do tactical teams use flash/bang grenades to incapacitate people who are held up in a house? You refer to reports. Have you ever fired a rifle indoors without hearig protection? I have. I got to talking with someone at the range (on a slow day, just me and another guy where there) and I took off my hearing protection. After we finished chatting I sat back down and without thinking about my ears, aimed and fired a shot from my Bushmaster. The next thing I remember, I was sitting on my butt in a daze holding my rifle realizing wondering what just happened. You may think that worries about noise are silly now, but will you think that they are silly when you are sitting on the fllor next to your couch having your rifle tugged away from you by the burglar who came in with the guy you just shot? |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:06:58 PM EDT
[#11]
In my experience with a .45 ACP, you won't hear it. Something like three shots from a 3.5" .45ACP and didn't hear a thing. You'll have tunnel vision like you won't believe and time will run at the speed of frozen molasses. You'll be able to see the individual powder particles spiral out in their own pattern as you're frozen in a Star Trekish slow motion dimension hell of trying to out run the bad guy but you're frozen in place. You're going to do everything just as you practiced, right/wrong/indifferent live or die since that is all that you can do. Welcome to the club of the survivors. wganz ¶ |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:07:46 PM EDT
[#12]
Have any of you fired an AR-15 in a dark room without hearing protection? |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:08:28 PM EDT
[#13]
so then what's your suggested solution? buy electronic hearing protection, use a pistol-caliber AR, get a can, something else?
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:09:07 PM EDT
[#14]
+1
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:09:27 PM EDT
[#15]
I've fired a few thousand .50 BMG rounds indoors. Using double hearing protection it still is pretty annoying.
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:10:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:10:56 PM EDT
[#17]
If your adrenaline is flowing, it won't have a severe effect on you, but under a situation like yours, it's not a good idea.
It's kind of like when you get in a fight. You can break your hand, yet still fight with it just fine, but if you broke it on accident at work, you'd be rushing out of work to the hospital in severe pain. |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:11:17 PM EDT
[#18]
Because SWAT dynamic entry KNOWS they are going into SHTF. The targets of flashbangs are usually asleep, drunk or stoned. They have their thoughts on other things. They usually are very disoriented after a flashbang goes off in their livingroom or bedroom 3 feet away from them. |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:11:25 PM EDT
[#19]
WHAT?
I really think a suppressor should be used indoors. Best to not wake the kiddies and neighbors. 
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:11:28 PM EDT
[#20]
bumped off about 10 rounds at an indoor range one time having forgotten to put my ears on.
ears range for about 10 min but it wasn't painful. not something i reccomend but given the option of reduced hearing down the road or dead........ i lose my hearing. |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:13:27 PM EDT
[#21]
Do you mean on purpose? I can tell ya its VERY loud when the muzzel is next to your ear indoors w/o hearing protection but the ringing does go away.
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:14:36 PM EDT
[#22]
Not necessarily a suggestion, just something that I wonder if anyone has ever considered. Several of our resident experts like to trash anything other than an AR-15 in 5.56 for home defense. I'm just curious if anyone has ever tried using one under the conditions that they would have to defend themselves. I personally keep an HK USC in .45 ACP for home defense. With 230 grain ammo it is not very loud at all. |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:15:29 PM EDT
[#23]
My friend fired an M1A in my garage and I have fired my AR out of a vehicle at prairie dogs. Both without earplugs. The .308 hurt but I was in no way incapacitated.
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:15:33 PM EDT
[#24]
Under a high stress situation like you described, the adrenline overload that you experience will cause several physical symptoms, not the least of which is tunnel vision, hearing loss and the loss of fine motor skills. You won't have any problems with follow up shots if you can control your breathing and not hyper ventilate.
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:17:20 PM EDT
[#25]
I have fired an M-4 indoors without hearing protection many times. I have been in the room and had a flashbang go off near my feet, no hearing protection. When the adrenaline is pumping, you won't hear anything. I've fired over 2400 rounds out of a SAW during MOUT in and out of buildings with no hearing protection...didn't feal anything till later that night (I was a little woozy.) The bottom line is, if you notice, it won't be until the incident is over, one way or the other. |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:18:11 PM EDT
[#26]
Exactly. The increased blood flow adrenaline provides both enhances and protects us. Your hearing will be better and less prone to damage, although hearing damage will probably still be apparent in the long run. |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:19:31 PM EDT
[#27]
Was right next to the muzzle of a .44 magnum upon discharging in a small room. I didn't notice a thing until my ears started ringing soon after the adrenalin stopped pumping. Compared to that I believe a rifle would be nothing...
ETA: The muzzle flash was nothing short of incredible although I could still see fine... |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:20:09 PM EDT
[#28]
Because these people are not expecting a big bang. If I am shooting my rifle, I am.
Of course I have. But that isn't the issue. The issue is, "If you are in a gunfight for your life, will you be bothered by loud noise." The answer, according to many, many people that have been in such a fight, is "No".
Then you are the exception. I have shot rifles many times without hearing protection. It is unpleasent, but didn't cause me to be " sitting on my butt in a daze holding my rifle realizing wondering what just happened". It was just unpleasent.
That is the silliest thing I have read on this forum in a while. No bad guy is going to be "tugging" my rifle away from me. He is going to be bubbling air through a sucking chest wound. You are wrong on this issue. You ought to be willing to learn, instead of being so prideful as to argue with people that know what they are talking about. |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:21:50 PM EDT
[#29]
"Auditory Exclusion", research it, during fight or flight mode you will not be bothered by the noise. I have fired a 5.56 (HK G36K) inside, without hearing protection, under extreme stress. All I heard was a muffled pop (actually pop,pop,pop,pop,pop, well you get the idea). If you ever find yourself in your described scenerio, you will not think twice about the "loud report".
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:24:04 PM EDT
[#30]
+1 on the not hearing a thing, the flash is bright but not blinding, keep shooting until he quits.
Two minor things. 1. Do you live in an apartment? close neighbors? maybe try a shotgun to avoid killing your friends. 2. Does the guy with a gun have a vest on that says, "POLICE"? If so, you might wanna wait a sec before firing. Thats just like a woman, sit there for ten minutes listening to a guy ransack the house and then wake you up when he starts coming upstairs. |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:24:27 PM EDT
[#31]
I agree that the adrenaline of a high stakes situation will cause you to not notice the noise. I hunt with a ported .300 WinMag, and I jumped a nice buck and nailed him on the run, and it wasn't until afterwards that I remembered that I failed to slip in my ear plugs before firing. No ringing or anything. Normally, the noise is near deafening, and quite painful.
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:24:30 PM EDT
[#32]
What kind of range where you on? A nice open type, or the close-in lane type? An indoor range is a very different noise environment than in your house. If your chosen defensive weapon incapacitates you, you might need to reconsider what you are using..
Ou guys went through many wars blasting people in houses without hearing protection and did OK. Not too good for long-term hearing, though. |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:27:06 PM EDT
[#33]
auditory exclusion = you won't hear a thing when you're under attack.
that being said I ND'd an AR in my living room. 24" DPMS. Right into Robert Rrrrrreiisch's smug face. I didn't hear the shot but my ears were ringin' for about an hour. And I was picking glass outta my hair for two. Won't do that again. |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:27:08 PM EDT
[#34]
Well forgive me for not just up and taking your word for it when my first hand experience shows otherwise. This has probably been the snippiest response I have seen from you, and more than a little bit of a mocking tone. I wonder who's pride is at issue here. |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:29:05 PM EDT
[#35]
perhaps he is tired of watching known proven fact after fact get ignored.
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:30:23 PM EDT
[#36]
I shot my AR in a school bus at a tactical match in NC. That Bushmaster mini Y comp is a beast inside. I think my fillings are still ringing.
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:32:51 PM EDT
[#37]
Who here hunts big game? Have ever noticed or been bothered by the sound when you took a shot?
I knew the answer to this question not as a combat guru but as a hunter. When your adreniline is flowing, sound is not an issue. |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:34:07 PM EDT
[#38]
Its called auditory exclusion. It is a natural stress response. In a high stress scenario, you may not even hear the shots, much less be distracted by them. I have fired handguns and rifles indoors, with protection. I have also been flasbanged several times. The flashbang only works its magic if its used with suprise. Think about sneaking up behind someone and yelling BOO-vs-saying "hey watch this---BOO".
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:38:30 PM EDT
[#39]
The sound of a rifle outdoors and the sound of a rifle indoors are two completely different things. As you may know, sound travels in waves. When you fire a rifle outdoors the sound expands outwards away from it's source until it's energy dissapates and the sound can no longer be heard. When you fire a rifle indoors, the sound initially expands outwards away from it's source but is almost immedately directed back at it's source when the sound waves reach the walls. This makes the sound seem much louder indoors then outdoors. |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:39:58 PM EDT
[#40]
I have to go with everyone else on this one. I have not fired an AR-15 indoors...but I have fired my SAW indoors, and been surrounded by other people firing. You really don't hear anything, everything is kinda just happening. Afterwards is when you will notice it.
-Ben |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:42:36 PM EDT
[#41]
don't fire a .357 with a 2'' barrel inside a ford ranger
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:43:03 PM EDT
[#42]
You present a scenario and ask for information from people who have actually been in situations similar and then argue with them about their responses. Why ask the question to begin with when you can put a magazine in your AR and crank some rounds off in your own house for your own answer? Your responses are argumentative.
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:47:21 PM EDT
[#43]
When I'm hunting, I hear the shot, but it doesn't hurt. |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:49:20 PM EDT
[#44]
You'll have to forgive me for not taking my pat on the head like a good boy when someone comes into the thread and posts a condescending and out right mocking response from the get go. Especially when they don't answer my question. Call it a character flaw on my part. Did you realize that I had 8 responses to this thread before anyone replied that they had discharged a firearm of any sort indoors? |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:50:27 PM EDT
[#45]
I've fired thousands of rounds without hearing protection, indoors and out.
It's not that big of a deal. HD, |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:52:58 PM EDT
[#46]
sllooooowwwwww lleearner.
(no offense to slow learners elsewhere.) |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:56:04 PM EDT
[#47]
Well, if it's that easy, I'll just tug the rifle back... |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 5:58:33 PM EDT
[#48]
The only way I would shoot my AR inside a house without hearing protection would be self-defense. Sorry, but even training isn't worth damage to my hearing. I have lost all hearing in one ear due to an inner ear infection. You don't realize how much you take hearing for granted until you lose it
 Linky
Your brain is focused on only the absolute necessary signals to survive, but your inner ear, in particular your cochlea in your inner ear is still taking a beating. Just because your brain doesn't register the signals means nothing. EPOCH ETA: I would give/spend just about anything to get my hearing back. |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 6:08:07 PM EDT
[#49]
Going to an indoor range the AR-15 is annoying even with hearing protection (boring civilian range, that is).
In the military, I've fired the M-16, M-249 SAW, and M-60 indoors doing live fire exercises, without hearing protection, and it didn't bother me one bit (although I definately have some hearing damage now). |
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Posted: 1/3/2006 6:09:55 PM EDT
[#50]
not to get too far off track, but is the consensus that the muzzle flash (in a dark house/room) is noticeable, but not blinding?
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