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Posted: 10/1/2004 5:55:50 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/2/2004 9:13:52 PM EST by warp_asylum]
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Link Posted: 10/1/2004 5:58:04 PM EST
Congrats Ichiro. Well done.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:02:34 PM EST
maybe he will actually get an extra basehit or a walk next year.

thats a lot of hits to barely score 100 runs
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:10:58 PM EST
Asterisk* (he's a foreigner) J/K
Cool, records are made to be broken. He was probably eating that Sushi and hornet juice instead of steroids
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:11:38 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/2/2004 9:13:58 PM EST by warp_asylum]
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Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:14:50 PM EST
*

He needed more than 154 games to do it. If an "*" is good enough for Maris it's good enough for Suzuki.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:14:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By 03Springfield:
Congrats Ichiro. Well done.



He deserves congratulations... This is a hell of a modern day record.

But in all seriousness he is hitting a rubber ball now compared to a 1920 baseball… but then again have you ever seen a 1920’s fielders glove.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:18:45 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/2/2004 9:14:03 PM EST by warp_asylum]
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Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:20:26 PM EST
Congrats to him. Quite an acheivement.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:20:26 PM EST
But in how many games did George Sisler get his hits?

Regular season now: 162 games.

Sisler played in 154 games in 1920 when he set the record of 257 hits. 19 of those were HRs.

Me thinks Mr Ichiro has a few more games to get his hits in these days.

Can you say asterisk???
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:20:43 PM EST
I'm not saying it isn't a record and a damn good one at that.

However, it is a record for a 162 game season, which is somewhat less impressive than a 154 game season.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:21:21 PM EST

Originally Posted By warp_asylum:

Originally Posted By rogerdodger:
maybe he will actually get an extra basehit or a walk next year.

thats a lot of hits to barely score 100 runs



The majority of George Sisler's hits were also singles. Fortunately for true fans, the record books do not distinguish between hits and extra-base hits.

Ichiro has played on the worst team in the AL all season. He's on base more than 40% of the time, which in baseball terms is excellent for any hitter. The fact that his teammates haven't been able to drive him in the way they have the previous 3 years has nothing to do with his ability.

Thank you for your urine. It made this thread so much better.




for all those singles his stolen bases are down also.

if he was selective at the plate, his on base % would be alot higher than it is
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:21:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/2/2004 9:14:08 PM EST by warp_asylum]
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Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:27:11 PM EST
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Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:29:05 PM EST
singles hitter? not

GEORGE SISLER
1920 STL AL 154 631 137 257 49 18 19 122 46 19 42 .407 .632

in a dead ball era the guy batted .407 49doubles 18 triples 19 hrs and 122 rbi's

and slugged .632 in almost 100 lesss at bats
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:31:40 PM EST

Originally Posted By warp_asylum:

Originally Posted By rogerdodger:

Originally Posted By warp_asylum:

Originally Posted By rogerdodger:
maybe he will actually get an extra basehit or a walk next year.

thats a lot of hits to barely score 100 runs



The majority of George Sisler's hits were also singles. Fortunately for true fans, the record books do not distinguish between hits and extra-base hits.

Ichiro has played on the worst team in the AL all season. He's on base more than 40% of the time, which in baseball terms is excellent for any hitter. The fact that his teammates haven't been able to drive him in the way they have the previous 3 years has nothing to do with his ability.

Thank you for your urine. It made this thread so much better.




for all those singles his stolen bases are down also.

if he was selective at the plate, his on base % would be alot higher than it is



50 walks against 62 strikeouts isn't selective? How about being selective enough to hit the pitches that are in the strike zone? Ichiro is obviously able to do so, considering his batting average is over .370.

And saying that his OBP would be a lot higher than .400 is a misnomer. There are few players in baseball that are able to sustain an OBP over .400, and only a handful in the history of the game that have had an OBP over .500.




50 walks in over 700 abs sux, the guy has the ability to put the ball in play, does not make him selective.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:34:16 PM EST
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Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:35:54 PM EST

Originally Posted By warp_asylum:

Originally Posted By dport:
I'm not saying it isn't a record and a damn good one at that.

However, it is a record for a 162 game season, which is somewhat less impressive than a 154 game season.



How is it less impressive when no one else has been able to break it in the decades since baseball went to the 162 game schedule?



It's simple. George Sisler had as many hits with 8 fewer games. That is more impressive than getting the same number of hits in what? 159 games?

It's impressive that he was able to match, but if Maris got an * then he should too. Maybe next year he can hit 258 in game 154 and then go on to beat his own record, problem solved, * removed, much like the single-season home run record.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:38:02 PM EST
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Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:39:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By warp_asylum:

Originally Posted By rogerdodger:
singles hitter? not

GEORGE SISLER
1920 STL AL 154 631 137 257 49 18 19 122 46 19 42 .407 .632

in a dead ball era the guy batted .407 49doubles 18 triples 19 hrs and 122 rbi's

and slugged .632 in almost 100 lesss at bats



I didn't say Sisler was a singles hitter. I said the majority of his hits were singles, which they are. 49 + 18 + 19 = 86 extra-base hits, out of 257 total hits. That means 171 of Sisler's hits were singles.

Furthermore, Sisler accomplished this in an era when players often hit over .400, and also often hit off of pitchers who refused to come out of games in the late innings. They were often gassed by the late innings, but would still finish games because it was expected of them. There was also arguably less available talent in baseball because of segregation, fewer teams, and other factors.

George Sisler had a great season in 1920, but that doesn't mean Ichiro should have his accomplishment tarnished because he didn't hit as many doubles or home runs, or had a whole 8 extra games to play in. The fact remains that Ichiro has more hits this season than anyone has ever had in any season in the history of baseball.



The majority of any player's hits are singles.

He has more hits than anyone else, but he's had more games to do it in.

That's not the hit record people chase anyway. .400 is the magic number not 257 or 258.

Oh and Suzuki's OPS outright sucks.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:40:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By warp_asylum:

Originally Posted By rogerdodger:
singles hitter? not

GEORGE SISLER
1920 STL AL 154 631 137 257 49 18 19 122 46 19 42 .407 .632

in a dead ball era the guy batted .407 49doubles 18 triples 19 hrs and 122 rbi's

and slugged .632 in almost 100 lesss at bats



I didn't say Sisler was a singles hitter. I said the majority of his hits were singles, which they are. 49 + 18 + 19 = 86 extra-base hits, out of 257 total hits. That means 171 of Sisler's hits were singles.

Furthermore, Sisler accomplished this in an era when players often hit over .400, and also often hit off of pitchers who refused to come out of games in the late innings. They were often gassed by the late innings, but would still finish games because it was expected of them. There was also arguably less available talent in baseball because of segregation, fewer teams, and other factors.

George Sisler had a great season in 1920, but that doesn't mean Ichiro should have his accomplishment tarnished because he didn't hit as many doubles or home runs, or had a whole 8 extra games to play in. The fact remains that Ichiro has more hits this season than anyone has ever had in any season in the history of baseball.



it also means 1/3 of sislers hits were xtra base hits.

im not putting Ichiro down , but he is far from a dominant ML player.

with 257+ hits and a 370 avg he barely has an OBP of 400.

there are much more productive players today who reach base 4 out of 10 times.

congrats on the record anyway
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:43:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/2/2004 9:14:32 PM EST by warp_asylum]
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Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:46:32 PM EST
It's fucking BASEBALL!
It's like arguing if a 16/16/16 fertilizer is better for grass than a 7/21/18 is..

Sheese.
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 6:46:39 PM EST

Furthermore, Sisler accomplished this in an era when players often hit over .400, and also often hit off of pitchers who refused to come out of games in the late innings. They were often gassed by the late innings, but would still finish games because it was expected of them. There was also arguably less available talent in baseball because of segregation, fewer teams, and other factors.




u can also say baseball today is totally watered down with way too many teams and horrible pitching with juiced balls
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 7:06:00 PM EST
I've never seen a good thread go to shit so fast.
Ichiro set a new record - he worked hard for it. Good for him!

The rest of the thread is like saying going to moon is watered down because the Wright Brothers flew for 100 ft., you know, 'cuz the ROCKETS were 'juiced', and the Brothers used a propeller!
Crikey!

YO~ICHIRO~!
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 7:53:01 PM EST
He's Ici-riffic!
Link Posted: 10/1/2004 7:59:32 PM EST
It took Ichiro more games to break the record. 'Nuff said.

Same goes for 1,000 yard rushers in the NFL. Not nearly as hard to do with 16 games and watered down talent to go up against.
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