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Posted: 9/8/2004 6:01:24 AM EST
Hi all,

I've recently been considering applying for a position in the FBI. I know they are looking for computer wonks (which I am) and that their Richmond office is short-staffed. I just have a couple of questions . .

1. How in the hell do you apply?

2. Would you apply? How are the working conditions, pay, benefits, etc.

Mr. FBI observer assigned to ARFcom, this could be a great time for you to chip in your opinion. I pronise that I won't rat you out

_Disconnector_
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 6:38:54 AM EST
www.fbi.gov ?

Jobs in Federal Law Enforcement are generally pretty good deals. If you are looking at an Agent position, it is unlikely you will get your pick of offices. Non-Agent positions may be different.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 6:42:38 AM EST
www.fbijobs.com You must have NO electronic/paper trail. And your gonna have to keep your mouth shut. If you have done any drugs in the last 15 years, forget it. If you have done any crimes in the last 15, years forget it. If you cannot pass a lie detector to verify above stated questions and many, many more, forget it. Please don't waste taxpayer money thinking you can pass the polygraph if you have any skeletons in your past.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 7:16:02 AM EST
Yup, a young man I know recently applied to the Special Agent program and was dropped like a hot potato when he failed to pass the polygraph test on the questiuon of whether he had ever taken or sold illegal drugs. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out boy.

New agents get no choice of posting and often end up in some backwater hole for a few years until they figure out their way and start to either show some real stuff or show that they deserve to be in a backwater hole. Then they get re-posted, pretty much according to the needs of the bureau. THere are some voluntary positions such as HRT, but you've got to show some REAL STUFF to even be considered.

In the past the fast track into teh program was a Master's Degree in Law, Business or Accounting, but Terrorism is a big issue now and language skills and perhaps poli sci or sociology would help out a bit better. Police officers have a potential inside track as well, but then again, perhaps not.

Minimum age is 23 or so. And your family should expect visits for the background checks from hell.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 7:24:02 AM EST
You have to be fit too. No couch potatoes need apply.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 7:29:06 AM EST
Read this site if you're serious.
www.antipolygraph.org
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 7:31:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By ar50troll:
www.fbijobs.com You must have NO electronic/paper trail. And your gonna have to keep your mouth shut. If you have done any drugs in the last 15 years, forget it. If you have done any crimes in the last 15, years forget it. If you cannot pass a lie detector to verify above stated questions and many, many more, forget it. Please don't waste taxpayer money thinking you can pass the polygraph if you have any skeletons in your past.




AR50troll; there is lots of bad info in your response.

Just apply. If you managed to find your way to AR15.com you should be able to find the FBI's website.

Initially pay sucks, it’s a Civil servant / bureaucracy position so you shouldn’t be surprised. Naturally as you become more senior the pay scale improves, but if you want to get rich stay in the Private sector.

However Civil servant jobs will generally have better (more secure) benefits than Private sector.

As a field agent you’ll be asked to move, you won’t be stationed near where you live now – not sure about support personnel.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 7:33:40 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/8/2004 7:59:14 AM EST by ar50troll]

Originally Posted By taptap:

Originally Posted By ar50troll:
www.fbijobs.com You must have NO electronic/paper trail. And your gonna have to keep your mouth shut. If you have done any drugs in the last 15 years, forget it. If you have done any crimes in the last 15, years forget it. If you cannot pass a lie detector to verify above stated questions and many, many more, forget it. Please don't waste taxpayer money thinking you can pass the polygraph if you have any skeletons in your past.




AR50troll; there is lots of bad info in your response.

Just apply. If you managed to find your way to AR15.com you should be able to find the FBI's website.

Initially pay sucks, it’s a Civil servant / bureaucracy position so you shouldn’t be surprised. Naturally as you become more senior the pay scale improves, but if you want to get rich stay in the Private sector.

However Civil servant jobs will generally have better (more secure) benefits than Private sector.

As a field agent you’ll be asked to move, you won’t be stationed near where you live now – not sure about support personnel.



Can you pls. point out the bad info. I would surely like to know. Here is some non classified info on the requirements.

You are applying for a sensitive position, and your trustworthiness and suitability for FBI employment is vital to your eligibility
for a security clearance. Consequently, your prospects for placement and a security clearance are better if you answer all
questions honestly and completely. An investigation of your statements will include checking fingerprints, police records,
and former employers. Should questions on any of your statements arise, you will be given an adequate opportunity to
respond, and your comments will be included in the official record. As a further condition of employment, you will be
administered a polygraph examination. This examination will focus on your truthfulness on the FBI application form, which
includes questions on prior drug use. Please note that you can be disqualified for FBI employment if you have done any of
the following:
• used marijuana during the last 3 years,
• used marijuana more than 15 times,
• used an illegal drug or combination of illegal drugs, other than marijuana, more than 5 times,
• used an illegal drug or combination of illegal drugs, other than marijuana, during the last 10 years,
• sold an illegal drug for profit,
• used an illegal drug while employed in a law enforcement or prosecutorial position or while in a position
of high-level responsibility or public trust,
• failed an FBI polygraph examination regarding prior drug use, even if the extent of use would not have been
disqualifying,
• failed an FBI polygraph examination regarding truthfulness/candor on an FBI employment application, or
• failed an FBI polygraph examination regarding contact with non-U.S. Intelligence Services.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 7:51:14 AM EST
Um.....maybe it's just me, but I'm getting the impression you guys aren't exactly talking about what he's looking for. I mean, yeah he'll have to do the background check and such, but when last I checked computer wonk != field agent.

I've been debating it myself, since I'd love to move to a less gun-unfriendly state and I've had US Secret clearance for over 5 years now, so I've got a decent paper trail.....
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 7:52:55 AM EST

Originally Posted By hard-case:
Um.....maybe it's just me, but I'm getting the impression you guys aren't exactly talking about what he's looking for. I mean, yeah he'll have to do the background check and such, but when last I checked computer wonk != field agent.

I've been debating it myself, since I'd love to move to a less gun-unfriendly state and I've had US Secret clearance for over 5 years now, so I've got a decent paper trail.....



All FBI employment is subject to above specifications. Even the fluff gigs go through the same check.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 8:00:47 AM EST
If you are qualified, APPLY. If you WANT the job, APPLY. If you have real motivation to help, APPLY. They need good help.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 8:04:10 AM EST
You have to go to New York's fashionable east side. Find a dry cleaning shop called Del Florios. Wave at the guy pressing pants as you enter the changing booth. He'll hit the steam twice. When you go in pull down on the coat hook on the right and a secret door will open. That will take you into U.N.C.L.E. headquarters. Oh...wait a minute, you said F.B.I didn't you.

Well then, you need to speak to Efrim Zimbalist Jr. He'll fix you up.



Yeah, I know. I'm old.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 8:28:11 AM EST
I want the FBI job that gets to do "surveillance" on this site. Of course, by posting and reading messages all day on the couch!
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 8:43:24 AM EST
I have a friend who moved up from being a contract computer worker for the FBI to a "real" employee of the FBI.

Not every job in the FBI is an "agent" job.
There are plenty of non-agent jobs.
If you can pass a regular DOD clearance screening then you can also pass an FBI screening.
If you are hired as a non-agent you are a regular GSA type federal worker who works for the FBI.

If you know "someone" on the inside then use that person as a POC.
In any case you will still have to use the employment web page.

Link Posted: 9/8/2004 9:00:04 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/8/2004 9:10:25 AM EST by eodtech2000]
If your not a Special Agent, you will a General Schedule (GS) employee and computers fall under the GS-2210 IT Specialist Series which is also recieves Special Pay, about $6000 to $7000 more a year than a regular GS employee. I know this because I am a GS-2210 for DoD.

You will probably get hired on as GS-11 step 1 and the pay is $52,080/yr.

ETA: You pretty much need a B.S. degree in CS/CIS/MIS. or what ever B.S. degree is specified in the job notice.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 9:07:10 AM EST
Before you even think about it, do you have 6+ years of college under your belt?
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 9:10:22 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/8/2004 9:14:21 AM EST by Offspring]
Let me tell you about the FBI. I made it through Phase I and onto Phase II, which I passed. The problem came when they administered the polygraph, which I failed. Good luck. Unforetunately everyone that takes the tests signs a non-disclosure so you cannot discuss the testing process/material.


Before you even think about it, do you have 6+ years of college under your belt?

I only have 4 years college and 4 years military service. 6+ years isn't necessary, just a bachelors degree.
Link Posted: 9/8/2004 9:56:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By Offspring:
Let me tell you about the FBI. I made it through Phase I and onto Phase II, which I passed. The problem came when they administered the polygraph, which I failed. Good luck. Unforetunately everyone that takes the tests signs a non-disclosure so you cannot discuss the testing process/material.

Before you even think about it, do you have 6+ years of college under your belt?

I only have 4 years college and 4 years military service. 6+ years isn't necessary, just a bachelors degree.



Yup..Be careful about that. You know were on file for many years after the interview as well.
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