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Posted: 10/25/2015 12:28:41 AM EDT
This carrier is in the 70,000 tonne range, with a projected air wing of 40 aircraft, 50 at full load according to the wiki.
I figure the 'typical' fixed wing complement will be 30 F-35Bs with the rest being SAR, EW and AEW helos. Probably Likely some persistence ISR drones as well. Speaking of fixed wing, it seems they've settled on leaving out the catapult and arrestor wires. My gut tells me this is a good size for mass STOVL ops but would be borderline for catapult type stuff. Personally I don't see a real drawback to the B model. Yes, there is the 460nm range vs 610nm for the C model. But that 460nm range is still better than the Superhornet at 390nm (but we'll just call it 400). But hey, we'll find out if the CVV concept LINK has any legs. (official designation is CVF). 
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Posted: 10/25/2015 1:29:35 AM EDT
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If we make a carrier with that stupid ramp we deserve to have some other Country take over America.
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Posted: 10/25/2015 1:33:22 AM EDT
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If we make a carrier with that stupid ramp we deserve to have some other Country take over America. Treadmill instead? |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 1:42:14 AM EDT
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If we make a carrier with that stupid ramp we deserve to have some other Country take over America. So are you saying CATOBAR is compensating for something else? |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 7:43:40 AM EDT
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Seems very wide for its length.
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Posted: 10/25/2015 7:55:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If we make a carrier with that stupid ramp we deserve to have some other Country take over America. The British are building it. |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 7:59:25 AM EDT
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I see a major problem:
28,800 slices of bacon for 1600 people for 45 days...... This is just one slice of bacon every 2.5 days, completely unacceptable. |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 12:01:56 PM EDT
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That's only under duress. It is actually 4.5 rashers of bacon per day / redcoat.
What is the mythical Merlin-like power responsible for this stupendousness? Underway Replenishment. |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 2:04:17 PM EDT
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I see a major problem: 28,800 slices of bacon for 1600 people for 45 days...... This is just one slice of bacon every 2.5 days, completely unacceptable. This is why the Empire fell. 
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Posted: 10/25/2015 2:06:41 PM EDT
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The nomenclature is fleet carrier iirc.
Eta. Vertical landing only? Sounds more like a supersized LPH or LHA than a fleet carrier. |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 2:10:25 PM EDT
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IMHO stovl is a mistake. The C variant of the F35 is better and cats let you take up more ordinance. Plus you could get Superbugs as well. I think the decision was mostly about timing, as the new electromagnetic cats aren't going to be available for foreign sales for several more years. There is an option to switch once they become available, but I don't see the RN having the will to buy a bunch of C models after buying all the Bs.
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Posted: 10/25/2015 2:13:40 PM EDT
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STOVL just advertises to the world you are a beta power.
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Posted: 10/25/2015 2:15:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I see a major problem: 28,800 slices of bacon for 1600 people for 45 days...... This is just one slice of bacon every 2.5 days, completely unacceptable. FIFY
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Posted: 10/25/2015 2:15:22 PM EDT
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Our 100 ton carriers handle 90 aircraft.
Most other countries have aircraft carriers that are 35-55 tons holding 30-40ish aircraft. This is 70 ton and and 50 max aircraft. How does that work? |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 2:15:46 PM EDT
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If we make a carrier with that stupid ramp we deserve to have some other Country take over America. If this was the carrier in Top Gun, Maverick would have had the proper backup he needed. |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 2:16:59 PM EDT
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12,000 cans of beans. FIFY Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I see a major problem: 28,800 slices of bacon for 1600 people for 45 days...... This is just one slice of bacon every 2.5 days, completely unacceptable. FIFY That's an important part of the emergency propulsion system. |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 2:18:18 PM EDT
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This is why the Empire fell. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I see a major problem: 28,800 slices of bacon for 1600 people for 45 days...... This is just one slice of bacon every 2.5 days, completely unacceptable. This is why the Empire fell. They do have 66,000 sausages. The Empire fell because Brits prefer sausage. 
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Posted: 10/25/2015 2:25:22 PM EDT
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I see a major problem: 28,800 slices of bacon for 1600 people for 45 days...... This is just one slice of bacon every 2.5 days, completely unacceptable. It says "rashers" of bacon. Is a rasher a ration, or a slab? I like to think it's a slab. If it is a ration, what in the ever-loving fuck is their problem with writing ration?!? Shortage of "t"'s?!? |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 2:32:00 PM EDT
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Seems very wide for its length. http://news.usni.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/HMS_Queen_Elizabeth1.jpg thats what she said? |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 2:34:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It says "rashers" of bacon. Is a rasher a ration, or a slab? I like to think it's a slab. If it is a ration, what in the ever-loving fuck is their problem with writing ration?!? Shortage of "t"'s?!? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I see a major problem: 28,800 slices of bacon for 1600 people for 45 days...... This is just one slice of bacon every 2.5 days, completely unacceptable. It says "rashers" of bacon. Is a rasher a ration, or a slab? I like to think it's a slab. If it is a ration, what in the ever-loving fuck is their problem with writing ration?!? Shortage of "t"'s?!? |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 2:35:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: STOVL just advertises to the world you are a beta power. Even worse when you're buying another country's STOVL POS, instead of building your own. lol |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 2:58:40 PM EDT
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I see a major problem: 28,800 slices of bacon for 1600 people for 45 days...... This is just one slice of bacon every 2.5 days, completely unacceptable. Europeans...LOL |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 3:01:55 PM EDT
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It says "rashers" of bacon. Is a rasher a ration, or a slab? I like to think it's a slab. If it is a ration, what in the ever-loving fuck is their problem with writing ration?!? Shortage of "t"'s?!? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I see a major problem: 28,800 slices of bacon for 1600 people for 45 days...... This is just one slice of bacon every 2.5 days, completely unacceptable. It says "rashers" of bacon. Is a rasher a ration, or a slab? I like to think it's a slab. If it is a ration, what in the ever-loving fuck is their problem with writing ration?!? Shortage of "t"'s?!? A rasher of bacon (UK) is a slice of bacon (US) |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 3:04:06 PM EDT
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They even have catering
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Posted: 10/25/2015 3:05:57 PM EDT
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Could be an individual slice or a serving (3-4 slices). Both are valid definitions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I see a major problem: 28,800 slices of bacon for 1600 people for 45 days...... This is just one slice of bacon every 2.5 days, completely unacceptable. It says "rashers" of bacon. Is a rasher a ration, or a slab? I like to think it's a slab. If it is a ration, what in the ever-loving fuck is their problem with writing ration?!? Shortage of "t"'s?!? Not in my experience (25 years in England). A rasher is a slice of European style back/belly bacon: 
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Posted: 10/25/2015 3:08:39 PM EDT
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Not in my experience (25 years in England). A rasher is a slice of European style back/belly bacon: http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p170/MarkNH/arf/rashers.jpg http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p170/MarkNH/arf/rashers2.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I see a major problem: 28,800 slices of bacon for 1600 people for 45 days...... This is just one slice of bacon every 2.5 days, completely unacceptable. It says "rashers" of bacon. Is a rasher a ration, or a slab? I like to think it's a slab. If it is a ration, what in the ever-loving fuck is their problem with writing ration?!? Shortage of "t"'s?!? Not in my experience (25 years in England). A rasher is a slice of European style back/belly bacon: http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p170/MarkNH/arf/rashers.jpg http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p170/MarkNH/arf/rashers2.jpg Canadian Bacon |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 3:10:59 PM EDT
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Canadian Bacon Nope, what is called Canadian bacon in the US is very different, it is all the loin completely trimmed of fat, European back bacon is the loin, loin fat, and part of the belly. US bacon is all belly and is called streaky bacon in the UK (where it isn't as popular as back bacon). |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 3:39:03 PM EDT
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With such limited supplies of bacon on board, they are going to have a mutiny on their hand before they ever pull out of port. You can't expect a civilized person to fucntion on such limited quantities of bacon. It's a starvation diet.
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Posted: 10/25/2015 4:17:24 PM EDT
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Nope, what is called Canadian bacon in the US is very different, it is all the loin completely trimmed of fat, European back bacon is the loin, loin fat, and part of the belly. US bacon is all belly and is called streaky bacon in the UK (where it isn't as popular as back bacon). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Canadian Bacon Nope, what is called Canadian bacon in the US is very different, it is all the loin completely trimmed of fat, European back bacon is the loin, loin fat, and part of the belly. US bacon is all belly and is called streaky bacon in the UK (where it isn't as popular as back bacon). Proving again that there is something "off" about British food. They've come a long way though - now to get them to accept the true and proper bacon. |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 4:23:44 PM EDT
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Leave it to arfcom, a cool air craft carrier, and all we focus on is the lack of proper bacon.
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Posted: 10/25/2015 4:25:39 PM EDT
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Leave it to arfcom, a cool air craft carrier, and all we focus on is the lack of proper bacon. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Priorities man. 
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Posted: 10/25/2015 4:40:54 PM EDT
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No catapults, so what serves this vital function on those ships?
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Posted: 10/25/2015 4:43:46 PM EDT
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No catapults, so what serves this vital function on those ships? http://www.defense.gouv.fr/var/dicod/storage/images/base-de-medias/images/marine/aeronefs/hawkeye/hawkeye3/279867-1-fre-FR/hawkeye.jpg According to the info in the OP: AEW helos |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 4:44:06 PM EDT
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Talk about an overpriced white elephant. $4.6 billion per carrier that needs $60 billion of VTOL aircraft to function. They should have built some full-size carriers.
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Posted: 10/25/2015 4:55:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Talk about an overpriced white elephant. $4.6 billion per carrier that needs $60 billion of VTOL aircraft to function. They should have built some full-size carriers.  |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 5:43:21 PM EDT
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According to the info in the OP: AEW helos Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No catapults, so what serves this vital function on those ships? http://www.defense.gouv.fr/var/dicod/storage/images/base-de-medias/images/marine/aeronefs/hawkeye/hawkeye3/279867-1-fre-FR/hawkeye.jpg According to the info in the OP: AEW helos But what actually does serve their function? Because helicopters are no real substitute in capability. |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 5:47:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But what actually does serve their function? Because helicopters are no real substitute in capability. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: No catapults, so what serves this vital function on those ships? http://www.defense.gouv.fr/var/dicod/storage/images/base-de-medias/images/marine/aeronefs/hawkeye/hawkeye3/279867-1-fre-FR/hawkeye.jpg According to the info in the OP: AEW helos But what actually does serve their function? Because helicopters are no real substitute in capability. |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 5:49:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Talk about an overpriced white elephant. $4.6 billion per carrier that needs $60 billion of VTOL aircraft to function. They should have built some full-size carriers. |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 5:53:33 PM EDT
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But what actually does serve their function? Because helicopters are no real substitute in capability. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No catapults, so what serves this vital function on those ships? http://www.defense.gouv.fr/var/dicod/storage/images/base-de-medias/images/marine/aeronefs/hawkeye/hawkeye3/279867-1-fre-FR/hawkeye.jpg According to the info in the OP: AEW helos But what actually does serve their function? Because helicopters are no real substitute in capability. supposedly this thing (the dome rotates back so it can land): https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-surveillance-system-for-future-royal-navy-aircraft-carriers-revealed 
Computer-generated image of a Merlin Mk2 with the Crowsnest surveillance system fitted to the side of the helicopter. The system will provide long range, early detection of potential air and surface threats. (Picture: Copyright Thales) I would tell the Brits to use ISR drones at altitude and network down to CIC. But that's just me. A better alternative to the helo would be some Osprey equipped with ISR. |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 6:01:57 PM EDT
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30 f35's....
 
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Posted: 10/25/2015 6:07:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No catapults, so what serves this vital function on those ships? http://www.defense.gouv.fr/var/dicod/storage/images/base-de-medias/images/marine/aeronefs/hawkeye/hawkeye3/279867-1-fre-FR/hawkeye.jpg Choppah!? |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 6:10:54 PM EDT
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Treadmill instead? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If we make a carrier with that stupid ramp we deserve to have some other Country take over America. Treadmill instead? Treadmills are old school. Magnets is where it's at. 
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Posted: 10/25/2015 7:53:24 PM EDT
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Leave it to arfcom, a cool air craft carrier, and all we focus on is the lack of proper bacon. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Well it is a major deficiency that could be detrimental to their operational effectiveness
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Posted: 10/25/2015 7:55:10 PM EDT
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Treadmills are old school. Magnets is where it's at. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If we make a carrier with that stupid ramp we deserve to have some other Country take over America. Treadmill instead? Treadmills are old school. Magnets is where it's at. How's that working out? |
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Posted: 10/25/2015 8:05:47 PM EDT
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Why the large difference in number of personnel?
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Posted: 10/25/2015 8:15:36 PM EDT
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It will be enough bacon if half your crew is muslim.
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Posted: 10/27/2015 2:48:44 AM EDT
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A better alternative to the helo would be some Osprey equipped with ISR. I don't think we'll ever see an AEW Osprey. Us and the French use Hawkeyes and everyone else uses helicopters or land-based AEW aircraft. I suspect the Navy would oppose the Marines getting an organic AEW capability on their LHD/As rather fiercely. |
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Posted: 10/27/2015 2:54:14 AM EDT
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It will be enough bacon if half your crew is muslim. I'm thinking about the extra rum rations available. Then again, the Muslims may not even come aboard if they knew that there was any alcohol aboard. Aloha, Mark |
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Posted: 10/27/2015 3:24:24 AM EDT
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Ships should be named after people only after they are dead.
In the Brits' case, they are best named after really cool words of Courage, Perseverance, and Indominitablilty. |
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Posted: 10/27/2015 3:27:25 AM EDT
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If this was the carrier in Top Gun, Maverick would have had the proper backup he needed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If we make a carrier with that stupid ramp we deserve to have some other Country take over America. If this was the carrier in Top Gun, Maverick would have had the proper backup he needed. But, you see, he didn't need it. Murrica! Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 10/27/2015 4:46:16 AM EDT
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I don't think we'll ever see an AEW Osprey. Us and the French use Hawkeyes and everyone else uses helicopters or land-based AEW aircraft. I suspect the Navy would oppose the Marines getting an organic AEW capability on their LHD/As rather fiercely. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A better alternative to the helo would be some Osprey equipped with ISR. I don't think we'll ever see an AEW Osprey. Us and the French use Hawkeyes and everyone else uses helicopters or land-based AEW aircraft. I suspect the Navy would oppose the Marines getting an organic AEW capability on their LHD/As rather fiercely. Why would the Navy oppose that? |
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