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Posted: 12/14/2022 12:17:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s very rude of them, boomers should get the same customer service as normal people  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 12:19:07 AM EDT
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My Yukon has two CD players.
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Posted: 12/14/2022 12:20:06 AM EDT
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It gets even better when you show up at a dealership with a stick-shift. Nobody can even drive it to the back.
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Posted: 12/14/2022 1:03:14 AM EDT
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Apple Music supports lossless music streaming. Get your cd player fixed and enjoy unlimited music for $10 a month.
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Posted: 12/14/2022 1:06:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Incredible luxury for the price. I’d compare it to bmw/mb in terms of luxury, better actually. For way way less money. The hybrid drive train is very nice. Torquey. Luxury? Ha ha Lexus has their reputation because they are reliable. Next to Audi, BMW or Mercedes they are Toyota with outdated interiors. |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 1:08:51 AM EDT
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I remember a member here talking about an old car they owned and it had a cassette stuck in it, so that was all they listened to for a couple years.
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Posted: 12/14/2022 1:13:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 2019 RX450h Lol, considering how much that service writer will make off the parts commission, he needs to STFU and get the reman unit shipping ASAP. Levinson's were always nice sound reproduction, but if it wasnt the decks in the older cars the main system amp liked to take a shit. Im looking at you 2004-2006 LS430 |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 1:30:08 AM EDT
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iPod solved all this 20 years ago, interfaces easily including voice commands, playlists are a snap, even includes a lossless format if you think you’ll notice a difference.
Streaming sucks- for music in cars |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 1:30:34 AM EDT
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Have you sent the dealership a strongly worded telegraph to voice your displeasure?
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Posted: 12/14/2022 2:47:37 AM EDT
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It took me like two months to notice my 2022 Tacoma doesn't have a CD player because like a normal person, I stream my music. If audio quality is what you're after, save music to your phone at much higher than CD quality.
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Posted: 12/14/2022 3:12:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just because it's streaming doesn't mean it's necessarily worse than CDs..... there are streaming formats (such as FLAC) that offer lossless, high bitrate streams. Exactly, I download my music from Bandcamp in the ALAC lossless format and load it into my phone using iTunes. I don't know why everyone assumes that digital music = compressed .MP3 Do I notice any difference through a car stero? No. But I'm not going to store lossless audio files and also .MP3's, so if lossless is a choice then I just use that. The files are larger, but storage is cheap these days so why not. |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 3:25:02 AM EDT
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I rented a 2021 Infiniti Q60 that had a factory CD player, it quit working on the drive back home somewhere in the Texas panhandle.
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Posted: 12/14/2022 12:15:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, considering how much that service writer will make off the parts commission, he needs to STFU and get the reman unit shipping ASAP. Levinson's were always nice sound reproduction, but if it wasnt the decks in the older cars the main system amp liked to take a shit. Im looking at you 2004-2006 LS430 Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 2019 RX450h Lol, considering how much that service writer will make off the parts commission, he needs to STFU and get the reman unit shipping ASAP. Levinson's were always nice sound reproduction, but if it wasnt the decks in the older cars the main system amp liked to take a shit. Im looking at you 2004-2006 LS430 She’s getting a new head unit. So it will be fixed. |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 12:17:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly, I download my music from Bandcamp in the ALAC lossless format and load it into my phone using iTunes. I don't know why everyone assumes that digital music = compressed .MP3 Do I notice any difference through a car stero? No. But I'm not going to store lossless audio files and also .MP3's, so if lossless is a choice then I just use that. The files are larger, but storage is cheap these days so why not. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Just because it's streaming doesn't mean it's necessarily worse than CDs..... there are streaming formats (such as FLAC) that offer lossless, high bitrate streams. Exactly, I download my music from Bandcamp in the ALAC lossless format and load it into my phone using iTunes. I don't know why everyone assumes that digital music = compressed .MP3 Do I notice any difference through a car stero? No. But I'm not going to store lossless audio files and also .MP3's, so if lossless is a choice then I just use that. The files are larger, but storage is cheap these days so why not. I’ve tried similar hi-res downloads. The recording still sucked and compressed to shit. Not the digital compression, amplitude and dynamic range compression. If the source was compressed it doesn’t matter what digital format it is. The source was shit to begin with. |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 12:28:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: True. Streaming audio is overcompressed MP3 files. CD audio is uncompressed .WAV files, which are pretty muck lossless. CD's will always sound better to the discrete ear...but not as much as good ol' analog! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Does a CD produce better music than digital audio file? EDIT: Quick google, says that OP is right. Streaming music is compressed and lower quality than CD. My shitty ears certainly cant tell the difference. Either way, the sound system in my truck sounds great to me. It entirely depends on the source, I can stream or download lossless music to my phone. |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 12:30:53 PM EDT
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My stepdaughter’s 06 Solara has a tape deck and CD player. I doubt my stepdaughter has ever seen a cassette tape.
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Posted: 12/14/2022 12:32:37 PM EDT
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my last vehicle with one was a 2014.
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Posted: 12/14/2022 3:42:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mine has a cassette player ?? Yep, I have tape players in 3 vehicles, CD players in the other two. My neighbor saw the tape player and said "Is that a decoy radio or something?" I said "No, want to listen to Decade of Decadence?" |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 3:43:17 PM EDT
[#19]
In Toyota / Lexus….
CD’s have vastly better audio than BT |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 3:48:06 PM EDT
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Look on eBay. Not to purchase but there is a place in Ca that repairs factory radios
Don’t have name or if they’re still in business |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 4:30:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How did she break the CD player? What did she shove in there? Was it mail? I bet it was mail. 
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Posted: 12/14/2022 4:32:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does a CD produce better music than digital audio file? EDIT: Quick google, says that OP is right. Streaming music is compressed and lower quality than CD. My shitty ears certainly cant tell the difference. Either way, the sound system in my truck sounds great to me. You had to look this up? Holy shit. |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 4:34:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does a CD produce better music than digital audio file? EDIT: Quick google, says that OP is right. Streaming music is compressed and lower quality than CD. My shitty ears certainly cant tell the difference. Either way, the sound system in my truck sounds great to me. Really? It’s like night and day. |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 4:38:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Depends on the source CD. Loudness wars started around mid-late 90s. A FLAC file will sound exactly like the CD you source it from. |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 4:41:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What if my cars DAC best for straight WAV files? I mean I paid for a good DAC. Your DAC choked on your loudness wars compressed CDs anyway. |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 4:44:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And if the cars DAC is much better with pure WAV from the onboard CD transport? Sonically identical is mathmatically impossible. That’s why my Sony 777es sounds so incredible. You gotta convert to analog somewhere. Streaming from the phone sounds like shit. Hence why I want the cars CD player to work. It sounds so so so much better. You can put either mp3, FLAC or WAV on a USB stick. It’s the same bits going into the DAC after the decoder except you aren’t getting any ‘jitter’ from the CD drive. |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 4:44:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Has anyone mentioned FLAC yet? Lose the CDs, the future is now old man jpg Like pages ago. |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 4:45:35 PM EDT
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Really shouldn't matter if CDs are better sounding or not. Car has a CD player installed. It should work as intended. Full stop.
I stream most of the time but do have a CD player in my truck. I have some music I still prefer to listen to via CD. |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 4:45:42 PM EDT
[#29]
OP married a boomer?
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Posted: 12/14/2022 4:46:26 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What’s your source for high quality FLAC recordings? Are you purchasing them somewhere? Where? Are you ripping them from vinyl? What ADC you using? Then what is the digital to analog chain? I don’t think you realize you can rip them from the exact same CD’s you are playing in your car now. I can rip a file to FLAC and burn a bit-identical WAV CD from the file. |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 4:47:34 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why not use the direct WAV from the cd with a dedicated transport and DAC? Less jitter, much much more accurate waveform. Otherwise all CD players would sound the same with can’t be further from the truth. You are getting more jitter when you use the CD drive live. Ripping the file eliminates jitter. |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 4:49:47 PM EDT
[#32]
Could be a blown fuse .
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Posted: 12/14/2022 4:50:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a jazz trio in the back seat. Fitting the piano in must be a bitch! |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 4:51:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess you don’t like music then, I hired Luciano Pavarotti as my driver Recently? |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 4:52:27 PM EDT
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I was explaining MTV to my 13 year old son yesterday.
Why would you watch music on TV? Because you couldn't just download music and google your favorite band. You had to go buy an album or a tape or wait for it to be played on the radio. That was one of the few entertainment options at the time. But even my new base model Chevy 2500 WT has a freaking bluetooth stereo in that's better than anything we had in the 80's. Spotify for everything. |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 4:53:29 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You are getting more jitter when you use the CD drive live. Ripping the file eliminates jitter. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why not use the direct WAV from the cd with a dedicated transport and DAC? Less jitter, much much more accurate waveform. Otherwise all CD players would sound the same with can’t be further from the truth. You are getting more jitter when you use the CD drive live. Ripping the file eliminates jitter. You’ll always have jitter in the transport to external decoder because of no dedicated clock from the source. That’s why I use the incredible DAC in my CD player instead of trying to send it digitally to a pre-pro |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 4:55:59 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I was explaining MTV to my 13 year old son yesterday. Why would you watch music on TV? Because you couldn't just download music and google your favorite band. You had to go buy an album or a tape or wait for it to be played on the radio. That was one of the few entertainment options at the time. But even my new base model Chevy 2500 WT has a freaking bluetooth stereo in that's better than anything we had in the 80's. Spotify for everything. 80s and early-mid 90s were the pinnacle of hifi. It’s also when most of the great CD recordings come from. That’s also why streaming services sound like utter shit. |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 5:09:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You’ll always have jitter in the transport to external decoder because of no dedicated clock from the source. That’s why I use the incredible DAC in my CD player instead of trying to send it digitally to a pre-pro It could download the entire song to ram for all you know. The amount of ram to hold a single song is infinitesimal. I can rip a wave file, make a flac, convert it to a wave file and burn it to a cd. Re-rip the new wave file off the new cd and the checksum in the error detection software on the ripper software will read exactly the same. This isn’t a digital stream from a HDMI cable. The clock will belong to the DAC playing it back. |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 5:20:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve tried similar hi-res downloads. The recording still sucked and compressed to shit. Not the digital compression, amplitude and dynamic range compression. If the source was compressed it doesn’t matter what digital format it is. The source was shit to begin with. Why till you figure out what happens to the source before they make CD's now 
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Posted: 12/14/2022 5:23:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol this post represents arfcom gd perfectly. Are his manual roll up windows sticking too? |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 5:24:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why till you figure out what happens to the source before they make CD's now Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I’ve tried similar hi-res downloads. The recording still sucked and compressed to shit. Not the digital compression, amplitude and dynamic range compression. If the source was compressed it doesn’t matter what digital format it is. The source was shit to begin with. Why till you figure out what happens to the source before they make CD's now I know. I haven’t purchased a CD that didn’t sound like compete shit in over a decade. And I’ve tried. Even plenty of SACD I bought sound like utter compressed shit. Finding good recordings is about impossible these days. |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 5:26:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know. I haven’t purchased a CD that didn’t sound like compete shit in over a decade. And I’ve tried. Even plenty of SACD I bought sound like utter compressed shit. Finding good recordings is about impossible these days. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I’ve tried similar hi-res downloads. The recording still sucked and compressed to shit. Not the digital compression, amplitude and dynamic range compression. If the source was compressed it doesn’t matter what digital format it is. The source was shit to begin with. Why till you figure out what happens to the source before they make CD's now I know. I haven’t purchased a CD that didn’t sound like compete shit in over a decade. And I’ve tried. Even plenty of SACD I bought sound like utter compressed shit. Finding good recordings is about impossible these days. It is why I gave up on 4k blue ray, what is the point when the editing was done at 1080p. |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 5:31:24 PM EDT
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CDs sound pretty good. I was really rooting for DVD Audio. My mom had an Acura with it back in the day. Having every channel in the car separate was amazing. The amount of data it could hold was fantastic for high def audio.
Anything over Bluetooth sounds like crap. Too much compression, not enough bandwidth. I run all FLAC off the USB drive in my car. Sounds pretty good but my imaging isn't perfect yet, havnt dropped the coin on a good DSP yet. Really liking the AD gear and the subs my buddy designed. All turned out every clean and not too bright for my damaged ears. Silk tweeters are the way to go. |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 5:38:39 PM EDT
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Boggles my mind too…
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Posted: 12/14/2022 5:44:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: CDs sound pretty good. I was really rooting for DVD Audio. My mom had an Acura with it back in the day. Having every channel in the car separate was amazing. The amount of data it could hold was fantastic for high def audio. Anything over Bluetooth sounds like crap. Too much compression, not enough bandwidth. I run all FLAC off the USB drive in my car. Sounds pretty good but my imaging isn't perfect yet, havnt dropped the coin on a good DSP yet. Really liking the AD gear and the subs my buddy designed. All turned out every clean and not too bright for my damaged ears. Silk tweeters are the way to go. SACD and DVD-A are fucking incredible. Mind blowing. Fixes all the problems of CD. I still have my Sony 777es, and a 555es as well. And then the ipop came out. And you haven’t been able to find a good recording since. That’s why vinyl made such a huge resurgence. “Holy shit! So this is what music is supposed to sound like!” Because they have never heard a good recorded CD on a good hifi stereo. Vast vast majority of people never have. All they’ve ever heard is super compressed sizzly utter shit their entire life. Soon I’ll get the Sony media player and true hifi DSD recordings as my source. Till then, I want my CDs. |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 5:56:20 PM EDT
[#46]
There are aps that will stream music without compressing it.
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Posted: 12/14/2022 5:56:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/14/2022 5:58:03 PM EDT
[#48]
I had an 8-track and a FM converter mounted under the dash of my 66 Rambler.
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Posted: 12/14/2022 5:58:37 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My 2007 Tahoe has a 8 CD player than if you leave CD’s in it, it starts changing CDs in the middle of the night until the battery goes dead. Not playing anything just changing. Can’t be fixed. So no CDs for me. Bummer. So when u turned off ignition you you heard it shuffling Cds around? |
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Posted: 12/14/2022 6:21:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are aps that will stream music without compressing it. The source is compressed to shit to start with. That’s the point. It sounds like absolute shit. |
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