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The real problem goes way beyond the election and who we 'elect'.

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Over 3+decades I have spent time talking to many people who truly believesome form of a blended socialism/ communism would be beneficial tothe US, and are working to make it happen. Not the Che T-shirt wearingslogan-spewing fist-pumping foot soldiers.  Nor the FSA whoare being used as the blunt instrument to break existing systems and force change. Nope - the true believers.

Thesepeople are the ones donating money and time to support "appropriate" politicalcandidates and far-left initiatives (like the Secretary of State Project, the NPVIC, just to name a couple). They might be yourneighbor, or the co-worker in your office two cubicles over that way,or the nice quiet 50-something lady who is your child's home-roomteacher. They generally do not discuss politics, especially with those who hold the Constitution in high regard.

They have friends in high places and with deep pockets. They are the quiet and persistent force providing the "nudge", and they are fully committed. They embrace the progressive approach – all of them acknowledgedthey would probably never see the full change in their lifetimes. For them, any move towards the left is a victory, one more step inthe march to transform the US, and they are perfectly OK with it if their grand-children are the ones who get to see the final product.

These are the people who worry me.  Unless they tell you, you'd never know what they hold in their heart.  The saddest thing of all?  We have people here on this forum that would be OK with some of these things, packaged a little differently, or as-is.

So, here is a compilation of those true believers "vision" for the US of A.    What surprised me was thealmost uniform nature of the wish-list, minor variations wereexpressed mainly in the depth of the various programs.  A couple ofmain themes to the underlying reasons for the changes desired existedas well – efficiency and environmentalism.  Imagine that.





Agriculture, industry, business,healthcare, housing, transportation, etc... is nationalized andbecomes property of the State.

Why?  Efficiency.  Instead of thousandsof differing entities making decisions, central administrators wouldhave plans and make decisions.  Changes could be made in a faster andmore efficient manner.  Waste would be reduced as we produced andtransported only what was necessary.  Less waste means production ofless environmentally hazardous materials/ emissions, smaller landfillrequirements, etc...


Housing and Transportation

ALL towns and cities become centrallyplanned, designed, built and maintained. Central core with governmentoffices, major hospitals and other services that need to be centrallylocated. Sub-stations with essential service serving severalneighborhoods. Neighborhoods built around industrial facilities,agricultural cores, business centers, etc... with neighborhoodcafeterias, recreational/ fitness facilities and parks, schools, andclinics.

ALL housing will be efficient high-riseapartment structures.

Singles will enjoy the carefreelifestyle of fully-furnished open-bay dormitories and communitytoilet/ shower facilities. Each floor will have a day-room withavailable radio and TV. Sexually segregated, of course.

Married couples will havefully-furnished efficiency apartments. If they are successful ingaining approval to have a child, they will be able to move into afully-furnished one bedroom unit.


May as well mention relationshipshere...  relationships would be regulated by the State, but no sexoutside of marriage – can't have any of those nasty STDs eating upresources and making people too sick for work.  Dating in a platonicmatter would be fine.  Finding a mate would need State approval, aswould having a child.)

Apartments with views, and larger thanone bedroom in size, will be reserved for those who have positions ofimportance within society – and as an added perk, they will havethe ability to choose their decor and furnishings.

ALL transportation will be masstransit, except for transport used as perks.

Why?  Efficiency, again.  This removesthe health and fire hazards associated with having food storage andpreparation in living quarters. This promotes population health dueto the ability to control the type and amount of food consumed andthe additional forced exercise due to having to walk/ bike to work ora public transport stop.  This reduces transportation costs, time,use of nationalized resources, and emissions.  And the perk of beingable to own a car, or have a car and driver?  Simply for enticementand/ or reward, it may get some people to work harder or do somethingmore for society in order to improve their living situation.


Education

EVERYONE is aptitude tested at severalstages of early life, starting in pre-school, in order to place the students in the propertraining path so they can be best utilized for the needs of society. Some will follow a path into the military, others into thetrades, others into government service, others into athletics orperforming arts, and others into medical and science. Those who testso poorly as to not be trainable, will be placed into simple laborpositions. Once in a path, you can only proceed along the path, or be"demoted" to lesser service.

EVERYONE receives an education throughHigh School levels, with concentration of studies in areas that willbenefit your career path.

Military officers, governmentfunctionaries, performance arts, science and medical will receive theappropriate amount of additional education deemed necessary.

Why?  And again, efficiency.  With anadded twist of doing what's best for society as a whole.  Why wasteresources on sending someone to college for a degree that they arenot suited for and will most likely result in poor work performance? Why not maximize resources by placing people where they can best usetheir particular aptitudes?  Why deny society the services of someonebest suited to be a neurosurgeon because the selfish person wants tobe an author?  Why not have the minds and bodies best suited formilitary service, actually in the military?  Etc...


Pay and Benefits

ALL monies generated form any source godirectly to the government for proper distribution.

EVERYONE receives a "living wage",which is only enough to to pay for personal incidentals because allclothing, housing, utilities, healthcare, education, food andtransportation are provided.

Your worth to society determines theamount of additional "perks" you receive on top of theliving wage. Perks are increased food rations/ better quality foodand drink, increased living space, increased recreation time/activities, special group or private transportation instead of masstransit, better healthcare or preferential treatment instead ofwaiting months to see the doc, etc...

EVERYONE works. If you are incapable ofworking due to advanced age or disability or illness, you go to thesanitarium.

Why?  Yep, you guessed it –efficiency.  With a heaping pile of fairness.  Except for those perksfor people who are special.  You know – to get people to strive todo better or more for the betterment of society.


Healthcare

EVERYONE receives healthcare at a leveldesigned to maintain peak performance for your duties to society,inline with your value to society. Full "cradle-to-grave"system.

There will be sanitariums to housethose who are not capable of working due to age, physical disability,mental state, accident, etc... Minimal care will be provided,basically what is needed to make your final days kind of comfortable. No expensive drugs or specialized treatments once you go to thesanitariums.

Why?  Would you say efficiency?  Ding! Winner winner chicken dinner!  People who have no use to society area net drain on resources and money.  Why spend any more thannecessary on those who can produce nothing, and will probably bedying soon anyways?  Compassion?  Yeah, like I mentioned, they willhelp make your (hopefully short) stay as comfortable as possible atminimal cost.


Public Broadcasting

ALL media will be owned by the State.Approved broadcasts will be designed to promote relaxation or vigor,at the appropriate times and venues. Patriotic broadcasts will alwaysbe available.

Why?  Efficiency!  Happy relaxed peoplework better and are not going to be troublemakers.  And, it willensure the people get the real news, and not that nasty propaganda wesee today.


Work

ALL work will be for the benefit ofsociety. Working off the books for your personal benefit orparticipating in "black markets" will be considered crimesagainst society, and treated as Capitol crimes.

Why?  Umm... efficiency?  Yep. Everyone works for the benefit if our beloved society.  You do wantto contribute to the greatness of our society, don't you?


Crime and Punishment

Criminal code will be simplified, toremove confusion and reduce trial and conviction times.

Simple infractions will result in extrawork time or loss of privileges.

More serious infractions will result intime at a prison farm, or at a mine or heavy industrial site.

Capitol crimes will be punishable bydeath. Capitol crimes include murder, negligent homicide, rape, childmolestation, and crimes against society (judges have wide latitude inthis area in order to help maintain a functioning society). Capitolcrimes will be prosecuted without delay, and sentence carried outimmediately after trial to ensure the desired deterrent effect.

Why?  And efficiency wins again.  Addedbenefit of keeping the troublemakers quiet.





Yeah yeah wall of text blah blah blah.  Grow an attention span.  There are people out there that want to seriously change things here.

Have I mentioned lately how much I detest communists/ marxists/ progressives/ socialists?



           

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Jaffa, you understand..,

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lol afraid.  are you a woman

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Jaffa, you understand..,

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Over 3+decades I have spent time talking to many people who truly believesome form of a blended socialism/ communism would be beneficial tothe US, and are working to make it happen. Not the Che T-shirt wearingslogan-spewing fist-pumping foot soldiers.  Nor the FSA whoare being used as the blunt instrument to break existing systems and force change. Nope - the true believers.

Thesepeople are the ones donating money and time to support "appropriate" politicalcandidates and far-left initiatives (like the Secretary of State Project, the NPVIC, just to name a couple). They might be yourneighbor, or the co-worker in your office two cubicles over that way,or the nice quiet 50-something lady who is your child's home-roomteacher. They generally do not discuss politics, especially with those who hold the Constitution in high regard.

They have friends in high places and with deep pockets. They are the quiet and persistent force providing the "nudge", and they are fully committed. They embrace the progressive approach – all of them acknowledgedthey would probably never see the full change in their lifetimes. For them, any move towards the left is a victory, one more step inthe march to transform the US, and they are perfectly OK with it if their grand-children are the ones who get to see the final product.

These are the people who worry me.  Unless they tell you, you'd never know what they hold in their heart.  The saddest thing of all?  We have people here on this forum that would be OK with some of these things, packaged a little differently, or as-is.

So, here is a compilation of those true believers "vision" for the US of A.    What surprised me was thealmost uniform nature of the wish-list, minor variations wereexpressed mainly in the depth of the various programs.  A couple ofmain themes to the underlying reasons for the changes desired existedas well – efficiency and environmentalism.  Imagine that.





Agriculture, industry, business,healthcare, housing, transportation, etc... is nationalized andbecomes property of the State.

Why?  Efficiency.  Instead of thousandsof differing entities making decisions, central administrators wouldhave plans and make decisions.  Changes could be made in a faster andmore efficient manner.  Waste would be reduced as we produced andtransported only what was necessary.  Less waste means production ofless environmentally hazardous materials/ emissions, smaller landfillrequirements, etc...


Housing and Transportation

ALL towns and cities become centrallyplanned, designed, built and maintained. Central core with governmentoffices, major hospitals and other services that need to be centrallylocated. Sub-stations with essential service serving severalneighborhoods. Neighborhoods built around industrial facilities,agricultural cores, business centers, etc... with neighborhoodcafeterias, recreational/ fitness facilities and parks, schools, andclinics.

ALL housing will be efficient high-riseapartment structures.

Singles will enjoy the carefreelifestyle of fully-furnished open-bay dormitories and communitytoilet/ shower facilities. Each floor will have a day-room withavailable radio and TV. Sexually segregated, of course.

Married couples will havefully-furnished efficiency apartments. If they are successful ingaining approval to have a child, they will be able to move into afully-furnished one bedroom unit.


May as well mention relationshipshere...  relationships would be regulated by the State, but no sexoutside of marriage – can't have any of those nasty STDs eating upresources and making people too sick for work.  Dating in a platonicmatter would be fine.  Finding a mate would need State approval, aswould having a child.)

Apartments with views, and larger thanone bedroom in size, will be reserved for those who have positions ofimportance within society – and as an added perk, they will havethe ability to choose their decor and furnishings.

ALL transportation will be masstransit, except for transport used as perks.

Why?  Efficiency, again.  This removesthe health and fire hazards associated with having food storage andpreparation in living quarters. This promotes population health dueto the ability to control the type and amount of food consumed andthe additional forced exercise due to having to walk/ bike to work ora public transport stop.  This reduces transportation costs, time,use of nationalized resources, and emissions.  And the perk of beingable to own a car, or have a car and driver?  Simply for enticementand/ or reward, it may get some people to work harder or do somethingmore for society in order to improve their living situation.


Education

EVERYONE is aptitude tested at severalstages of early life, starting in pre-school, in order to place the students in the propertraining path so they can be best utilized for the needs of society. Some will follow a path into the military, others into thetrades, others into government service, others into athletics orperforming arts, and others into medical and science. Those who testso poorly as to not be trainable, will be placed into simple laborpositions. Once in a path, you can only proceed along the path, or be"demoted" to lesser service.

EVERYONE receives an education throughHigh School levels, with concentration of studies in areas that willbenefit your career path.

Military officers, governmentfunctionaries, performance arts, science and medical will receive theappropriate amount of additional education deemed necessary.

Why?  And again, efficiency.  With anadded twist of doing what's best for society as a whole.  Why wasteresources on sending someone to college for a degree that they arenot suited for and will most likely result in poor work performance? Why not maximize resources by placing people where they can best usetheir particular aptitudes?  Why deny society the services of someonebest suited to be a neurosurgeon because the selfish person wants tobe an author?  Why not have the minds and bodies best suited formilitary service, actually in the military?  Etc...


Pay and Benefits

ALL monies generated form any source godirectly to the government for proper distribution.

EVERYONE receives a "living wage",which is only enough to to pay for personal incidentals because allclothing, housing, utilities, healthcare, education, food andtransportation are provided.

Your worth to society determines theamount of additional "perks" you receive on top of theliving wage. Perks are increased food rations/ better quality foodand drink, increased living space, increased recreation time/activities, special group or private transportation instead of masstransit, better healthcare or preferential treatment instead ofwaiting months to see the doc, etc...

EVERYONE works. If you are incapable ofworking due to advanced age or disability or illness, you go to thesanitarium.

Why?  Yep, you guessed it –efficiency.  With a heaping pile of fairness.  Except for those perksfor people who are special.  You know – to get people to strive todo better or more for the betterment of society.


Healthcare

EVERYONE receives healthcare at a leveldesigned to maintain peak performance for your duties to society,inline with your value to society. Full "cradle-to-grave"system.

There will be sanitariums to housethose who are not capable of working due to age, physical disability,mental state, accident, etc... Minimal care will be provided,basically what is needed to make your final days kind of comfortable. No expensive drugs or specialized treatments once you go to thesanitariums.

Why?  Would you say efficiency?  Ding! Winner winner chicken dinner!  People who have no use to society area net drain on resources and money.  Why spend any more thannecessary on those who can produce nothing, and will probably bedying soon anyways?  Compassion?  Yeah, like I mentioned, they willhelp make your (hopefully short) stay as comfortable as possible atminimal cost.


Public Broadcasting

ALL media will be owned by the State.Approved broadcasts will be designed to promote relaxation or vigor,at the appropriate times and venues. Patriotic broadcasts will alwaysbe available.

Why?  Efficiency!  Happy relaxed peoplework better and are not going to be troublemakers.  And, it willensure the people get the real news, and not that nasty propaganda wesee today.


Work

ALL work will be for the benefit ofsociety. Working off the books for your personal benefit orparticipating in "black markets" will be considered crimesagainst society, and treated as Capitol crimes.

Why?  Umm... efficiency?  Yep. Everyone works for the benefit if our beloved society.  You do wantto contribute to the greatness of our society, don't you?


Crime and Punishment

Criminal code will be simplified, toremove confusion and reduce trial and conviction times.

Simple infractions will result in extrawork time or loss of privileges.

More serious infractions will result intime at a prison farm, or at a mine or heavy industrial site.

Capitol crimes will be punishable bydeath. Capitol crimes include murder, negligent homicide, rape, childmolestation, and crimes against society (judges have wide latitude inthis area in order to help maintain a functioning society). Capitolcrimes will be prosecuted without delay, and sentence carried outimmediately after trial to ensure the desired deterrent effect.

Why?  And efficiency wins again.  Addedbenefit of keeping the troublemakers quiet.





Yeah yeah wall of text blah blah blah.  Grow an attention span.  There are people out there that want to seriously change things here.

Have I mentioned lately how much I detest communists/ marxists/ progressives/ socialists?



           

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Thatb collectivism bullshit can eat a huge bag of dicks.

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Over 3+decades I have spent time talking to many people who truly believesome form of a blended socialism/ communism would be beneficial tothe US, and are working to make it happen. Not the Che T-shirt wearingslogan-spewing fist-pumping foot soldiers.  Nor the FSA whoare being used as the blunt instrument to break existing systems and force change. Nope - the true believers.

Thesepeople are the ones donating money and time to support "appropriate" politicalcandidates and far-left initiatives (like the Secretary of State Project, the NPVIC, just to name a couple). They might be yourneighbor, or the co-worker in your office two cubicles over that way,or the nice quiet 50-something lady who is your child's home-roomteacher. They generally do not discuss politics, especially with those who hold the Constitution in high regard.

They have friends in high places and with deep pockets. They are the quiet and persistent force providing the "nudge", and they are fully committed. They embrace the progressive approach – all of them acknowledgedthey would probably never see the full change in their lifetimes. For them, any move towards the left is a victory, one more step inthe march to transform the US, and they are perfectly OK with it if their grand-children are the ones who get to see the final product.

These are the people who worry me.  Unless they tell you, you'd never know what they hold in their heart.  The saddest thing of all?  We have people here on this forum that would be OK with some of these things, packaged a little differently, or as-is.

So, here is a compilation of those true believers "vision" for the US of A.    What surprised me was thealmost uniform nature of the wish-list, minor variations wereexpressed mainly in the depth of the various programs.  A couple ofmain themes to the underlying reasons for the changes desired existedas well – efficiency and environmentalism.  Imagine that.





Agriculture, industry, business,healthcare, housing, transportation, etc... is nationalized andbecomes property of the State.

Why?  Efficiency.  Instead of thousandsof differing entities making decisions, central administrators wouldhave plans and make decisions.  Changes could be made in a faster andmore efficient manner.  Waste would be reduced as we produced andtransported only what was necessary.  Less waste means production ofless environmentally hazardous materials/ emissions, smaller landfillrequirements, etc...


Housing and Transportation

ALL towns and cities become centrallyplanned, designed, built and maintained. Central core with governmentoffices, major hospitals and other services that need to be centrallylocated. Sub-stations with essential service serving severalneighborhoods. Neighborhoods built around industrial facilities,agricultural cores, business centers, etc... with neighborhoodcafeterias, recreational/ fitness facilities and parks, schools, andclinics.

ALL housing will be efficient high-riseapartment structures.

Singles will enjoy the carefreelifestyle of fully-furnished open-bay dormitories and communitytoilet/ shower facilities. Each floor will have a day-room withavailable radio and TV. Sexually segregated, of course.

Married couples will havefully-furnished efficiency apartments. If they are successful ingaining approval to have a child, they will be able to move into afully-furnished one bedroom unit.


May as well mention relationshipshere...  relationships would be regulated by the State, but no sexoutside of marriage – can't have any of those nasty STDs eating upresources and making people too sick for work.  Dating in a platonicmatter would be fine.  Finding a mate would need State approval, aswould having a child.)

Apartments with views, and larger thanone bedroom in size, will be reserved for those who have positions ofimportance within society – and as an added perk, they will havethe ability to choose their decor and furnishings.

ALL transportation will be masstransit, except for transport used as perks.

Why?  Efficiency, again.  This removesthe health and fire hazards associated with having food storage andpreparation in living quarters. This promotes population health dueto the ability to control the type and amount of food consumed andthe additional forced exercise due to having to walk/ bike to work ora public transport stop.  This reduces transportation costs, time,use of nationalized resources, and emissions.  And the perk of beingable to own a car, or have a car and driver?  Simply for enticementand/ or reward, it may get some people to work harder or do somethingmore for society in order to improve their living situation.


Education

EVERYONE is aptitude tested at severalstages of early life, starting in pre-school, in order to place the students in the propertraining path so they can be best utilized for the needs of society. Some will follow a path into the military, others into thetrades, others into government service, others into athletics orperforming arts, and others into medical and science. Those who testso poorly as to not be trainable, will be placed into simple laborpositions. Once in a path, you can only proceed along the path, or be"demoted" to lesser service.

EVERYONE receives an education throughHigh School levels, with concentration of studies in areas that willbenefit your career path.

Military officers, governmentfunctionaries, performance arts, science and medical will receive theappropriate amount of additional education deemed necessary.

Why?  And again, efficiency.  With anadded twist of doing what's best for society as a whole.  Why wasteresources on sending someone to college for a degree that they arenot suited for and will most likely result in poor work performance? Why not maximize resources by placing people where they can best usetheir particular aptitudes?  Why deny society the services of someonebest suited to be a neurosurgeon because the selfish person wants tobe an author?  Why not have the minds and bodies best suited formilitary service, actually in the military?  Etc...


Pay and Benefits

ALL monies generated form any source godirectly to the government for proper distribution.

EVERYONE receives a "living wage",which is only enough to to pay for personal incidentals because allclothing, housing, utilities, healthcare, education, food andtransportation are provided.

Your worth to society determines theamount of additional "perks" you receive on top of theliving wage. Perks are increased food rations/ better quality foodand drink, increased living space, increased recreation time/activities, special group or private transportation instead of masstransit, better healthcare or preferential treatment instead ofwaiting months to see the doc, etc...

EVERYONE works. If you are incapable ofworking due to advanced age or disability or illness, you go to thesanitarium.

Why?  Yep, you guessed it –efficiency.  With a heaping pile of fairness.  Except for those perksfor people who are special.  You know – to get people to strive todo better or more for the betterment of society.


Healthcare

EVERYONE receives healthcare at a leveldesigned to maintain peak performance for your duties to society,inline with your value to society. Full "cradle-to-grave"system.

There will be sanitariums to housethose who are not capable of working due to age, physical disability,mental state, accident, etc... Minimal care will be provided,basically what is needed to make your final days kind of comfortable. No expensive drugs or specialized treatments once you go to thesanitariums.

Why?  Would you say efficiency?  Ding! Winner winner chicken dinner!  People who have no use to society area net drain on resources and money.  Why spend any more thannecessary on those who can produce nothing, and will probably bedying soon anyways?  Compassion?  Yeah, like I mentioned, they willhelp make your (hopefully short) stay as comfortable as possible atminimal cost.


Public Broadcasting

ALL media will be owned by the State.Approved broadcasts will be designed to promote relaxation or vigor,at the appropriate times and venues. Patriotic broadcasts will alwaysbe available.

Why?  Efficiency!  Happy relaxed peoplework better and are not going to be troublemakers.  And, it willensure the people get the real news, and not that nasty propaganda wesee today.


Work

ALL work will be for the benefit ofsociety. Working off the books for your personal benefit orparticipating in "black markets" will be considered crimesagainst society, and treated as Capitol crimes.

Why?  Umm... efficiency?  Yep. Everyone works for the benefit if our beloved society.  You do wantto contribute to the greatness of our society, don't you?


Crime and Punishment

Criminal code will be simplified, toremove confusion and reduce trial and conviction times.

Simple infractions will result in extrawork time or loss of privileges.

More serious infractions will result intime at a prison farm, or at a mine or heavy industrial site.

Capitol crimes will be punishable bydeath. Capitol crimes include murder, negligent homicide, rape, childmolestation, and crimes against society (judges have wide latitude inthis area in order to help maintain a functioning society). Capitolcrimes will be prosecuted without delay, and sentence carried outimmediately after trial to ensure the desired deterrent effect.

Why?  And efficiency wins again.  Addedbenefit of keeping the troublemakers quiet.





Yeah yeah wall of text blah blah blah.  Grow an attention span.  There are people out there that want to seriously change things here.

Have I mentioned lately how much I detest communists/ marxists/ progressives/ socialists?



           

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Jaffe, did you lift that from 1984 or did you just type all that up?  Plagiarism is double plus ungood.  Big Brother is watching.

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Maybe more need to re-read ''Atlas Shrugged''.  Ayn Rand laid that out pretty well.....Scary stuff...

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Was about to post this in the Sanders thread before it was locked but was too late.

I balk at Sanders because he's an avowed socialist and I grew up reading stories of holocaust survivors in Poland, Germany, and places like the Soviet states.. I was a depressing person then and now.

I have no desire to see that stuff here but I fear it is only a matter of time and the thought truly haunts my every waking moment. The kind of gripping fear that leaves you powerless to stop it.

I compare it to being on the beach and seeing a huge shark moving towards some children about neck deep in water. I shout warnings but they don't hear me due to the surf, I wave frantically but they don't see me. I know I can't help them and all I can do is watch as the screams and horror start...

Lest we forget, Hitler never killed anyone. He merely ordered others to do so and it was done. Thinking it can't happen here only ensures that it will. There will be a group the Socialist hate and it's likely to include us among others the State dislikes. Being rich or having a useful skill for the economy will not outweigh their hate.

I end this post on a picture:
http://godfatherpolitics.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/1928-Germany-2013-Connecticut.jpg

Proceed with the usual hate aimed my way.

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Maybe more need to re-read ''Atlas Shrugged''.  Ayn Rand laid that out pretty well.....Scary stuff...

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Over 3+decades I have spent time talking to many people who truly believesome form of a blended socialism/ communism would be beneficial tothe US, and are working to make it happen. Not the Che T-shirt wearingslogan-spewing fist-pumping foot soldiers.  Nor the FSA whoare being used as the blunt instrument to break existing systems and force change. Nope - the true believers.
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Yeah yeah wall of text blah blah blah.  Grow an attention span.  There are people out there that want to seriously change things here.
Have I mentioned lately how much I detest communists/ marxists/ progressives/ socialists?

           

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I think what Jaffa really meant was this, taken directly from the Communist Manifesto:





Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.





1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.


2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.


3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.


4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.


5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.


6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.


7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.


8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.


9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.


10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production,





We're already about halfway there.

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Smart people can thrive in any system. You just have to know what the ground rules are.

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I really meant what I said.  And those people I've spent the time chatting with do not consider themselves communists, no matter how much what they describes matches an idealistic dream of a Cold War era USSR style society.  They consider themselves progressives, or progressive socialists, or progressive democrats, or democratic socialists.  But not communists.
 

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I dont think Democrats will ever set up death camps. Just debt default, higher taxes, health care service shortages, high unemployment, rampant crime, a lower standard of living, lawlessness and corruption as everyday business, and an unending economic crisis.