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Posted: 4/16/2016 9:53:06 PM EDT
Was about to post this in the Sanders thread before it was locked but was too late.

I balk at Sanders because he's an avowed socialist and I grew up reading stories of holocaust survivors in Poland, Germany, and places like the Soviet states.. I was a depressing person then and now.

I have no desire to see that stuff here but I fear it is only a matter of time and the thought truly haunts my every waking moment. The kind of gripping fear that leaves you powerless to stop it.

I compare it to being on the beach and seeing a huge shark moving towards some children about neck deep in water. I shout warnings but they don't hear me due to the surf, I wave frantically but they don't see me. I know I can't help them and all I can do is watch as the screams and horror start...

Lest we forget, Hitler never killed anyone. He merely ordered others to do so and it was done. Thinking it can't happen here only ensures that it will. There will be a group the Socialist hate and it's likely to include us among others the State dislikes. Being rich or having a useful skill for the economy will not outweigh their hate.

I end this post on a picture:


Proceed with the usual hate aimed my way.
Link Posted: 4/16/2016 9:54:12 PM EDT
The real problem goes way beyond the election and who we 'elect'.
Link Posted: 4/16/2016 10:05:52 PM EDT
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correct
Link Posted: 4/16/2016 10:09:16 PM EDT
I still think he may pull off the nomination. If he does win the Presidency we need to keep Democrats from sweeping congress. What really needs to be changed is educating anti gun people, bombard them the same way they do towards everybody else on the issues they think are important.
Link Posted: 4/16/2016 10:42:41 PM EDT

Over 3+
decades I have spent time talking to many people who truly believe
some form of a blended socialism/ communism would be beneficial to
the US, and are working to make it happen. Not the Che T-shirt wearing
slogan-spewing fist-pumping foot soldiers.  Nor the FSA who
are being used as the blunt instrument to break existing systems and force change. Nope - the true believers.
These
people are the ones donating money and time to support "appropriate" political
candidates and far-left initiatives (like the Secretary of State Project, the NPVIC, just to name a couple). They might be your
neighbor, or the co-worker in your office two cubicles over that way,
or the nice quiet 50-something lady who is your child's home-room
teacher. They generally do not discuss politics, especially with those who hold the Constitution in high regard.





They have friends in high places and with deep pockets. They are the quiet and persistent force providing the "nudge", and they are fully committed. They embrace the progressive approach – all of them acknowledged
they would probably never see the full change in their lifetimes.
For them, any move towards the left is a victory, one more step in
the march to transform the US, and they are perfectly OK with it if their grand-children are the ones who get to see the final product.
These are the people who worry me.  Unless they tell you, you'd never know what they hold in their heart.  The saddest thing of all?  We have people here on this forum that would be OK with some of these things, packaged a little differently, or as-is.
So, here is a compilation of those true believers "vision" for the US of A.    What surprised me was the
almost uniform nature of the wish-list, minor variations were
expressed mainly in the depth of the various programs.  A couple of
main themes to the underlying reasons for the changes desired existed
as well – efficiency and environmentalism.  Imagine that.

Agriculture, industry, business,
healthcare, housing, transportation, etc... is nationalized and
becomes property of the State.

Why?  Efficiency.  Instead of thousands
of differing entities making decisions, central administrators would
have plans and make decisions.  Changes could be made in a faster and
more efficient manner.  Waste would be reduced as we produced and
transported only what was necessary.  Less waste means production of
less environmentally hazardous materials/ emissions, smaller landfill
requirements, etc...
Housing and Transportation
ALL towns and cities become centrally
planned, designed, built and maintained. Central core with government
offices, major hospitals and other services that need to be centrally
located. Sub-stations with essential service serving several
neighborhoods. Neighborhoods built around industrial facilities,
agricultural cores, business centers, etc... with neighborhood
cafeterias, recreational/ fitness facilities and parks, schools, and
clinics.
ALL housing will be efficient high-rise
apartment structures.
Singles will enjoy the carefree
lifestyle of fully-furnished open-bay dormitories and community
toilet/ shower facilities. Each floor will have a day-room with
available radio and TV. Sexually segregated, of course.
Married couples will have
fully-furnished efficiency apartments. If they are successful in
gaining approval to have a child, they will be able to move into a
fully-furnished one bedroom unit.

May as well mention relationships
here...  relationships would be regulated by the State, but no sex
outside of marriage – can't have any of those nasty STDs eating up
resources and making people too sick for work.  Dating in a platonic
matter would be fine.  Finding a mate would need State approval, as
would having a child.)
Apartments with views, and larger than
one bedroom in size, will be reserved for those who have positions of
importance within society – and as an added perk, they will have
the ability to choose their decor and furnishings.
ALL transportation will be mass
transit, except for transport used as perks.
Why?  Efficiency, again.  This removes
the health and fire hazards associated with having food storage and
preparation in living quarters. This promotes population health due
to the ability to control the type and amount of food consumed and
the additional forced exercise due to having to walk/ bike to work or
a public transport stop.  This reduces transportation costs, time,
use of nationalized resources, and emissions.  And the perk of being
able to own a car, or have a car and driver?  Simply for enticement
and/ or reward, it may get some people to work harder or do something
more for society in order to improve their living situation.
Education
EVERYONE is aptitude tested at several
stages of early life, starting in pre-school, in order to place the students in the proper
training path so they can be best utilized for the needs of society. Some will follow a path into the military, others into the
trades, others into government service, others into athletics or
performing arts, and others into medical and science. Those who test
so poorly as to not be trainable, will be placed into simple labor
positions. Once in a path, you can only proceed along the path, or be
"demoted" to lesser service.
EVERYONE receives an education through
High School levels, with concentration of studies in areas that will
benefit your career path.
Military officers, government
functionaries, performance arts, science and medical will receive the
appropriate amount of additional education deemed necessary.
Why?  And again, efficiency.  With an
added twist of doing what's best for society as a whole.  Why waste
resources on sending someone to college for a degree that they are
not suited for and will most likely result in poor work performance?
Why not maximize resources by placing people where they can best use
their particular aptitudes?  Why deny society the services of someone
best suited to be a neurosurgeon because the selfish person wants to
be an author?  Why not have the minds and bodies best suited for
military service, actually in the military?  Etc...
Pay and Benefits
ALL monies generated form any source go
directly to the government for proper distribution.
EVERYONE receives a "living wage",
which is only enough to to pay for personal incidentals because all
clothing, housing, utilities, healthcare, education, food and
transportation are provided.
Your worth to society determines the
amount of additional "perks" you receive on top of the
living wage. Perks are increased food rations/ better quality food
and drink, increased living space, increased recreation time/
activities, special group or private transportation instead of mass
transit, better healthcare or preferential treatment instead of
waiting months to see the doc, etc...
EVERYONE works. If you are incapable of
working due to advanced age or disability or illness, you go to the
sanitarium.
Why?  Yep, you guessed it –
efficiency.  With a heaping pile of fairness.  Except for those perks
for people who are special.  You know – to get people to strive to
do better or more for the betterment of society.
Healthcare
EVERYONE receives healthcare at a level
designed to maintain peak performance for your duties to society,
inline with your value to society. Full "cradle-to-grave"
system.
There will be sanitariums to house
those who are not capable of working due to age, physical disability,
mental state, accident, etc... Minimal care will be provided,
basically what is needed to make your final days kind of comfortable.
No expensive drugs or specialized treatments once you go to the
sanitariums.
Why?  Would you say efficiency?  Ding!
Winner winner chicken dinner!  People who have no use to society are
a net drain on resources and money.  Why spend any more than
necessary on those who can produce nothing, and will probably be
dying soon anyways?  Compassion?  Yeah, like I mentioned, they will
help make your (hopefully short) stay as comfortable as possible at
minimal cost.
Public Broadcasting
ALL media will be owned by the State.
Approved broadcasts will be designed to promote relaxation or vigor,
at the appropriate times and venues. Patriotic broadcasts will always
be available.
Why?  Efficiency!  Happy relaxed people
work better and are not going to be troublemakers.  And, it will
ensure the people get the real news, and not that nasty propaganda we
see today.
Work
ALL work will be for the benefit of
society. Working off the books for your personal benefit or
participating in "black markets" will be considered crimes
against society, and treated as Capitol crimes.
Why?  Umm... efficiency?  Yep. Everyone works for the benefit if our beloved society.  You do want
to contribute to the greatness of our society, don't you?
Crime and Punishment
Criminal code will be simplified, to
remove confusion and reduce trial and conviction times.
Simple infractions will result in extra
work time or loss of privileges.
More serious infractions will result in
time at a prison farm, or at a mine or heavy industrial site.
Capitol crimes will be punishable by
death. Capitol crimes include murder, negligent homicide, rape, child
molestation, and crimes against society (judges have wide latitude in
this area in order to help maintain a functioning society). Capitol
crimes will be prosecuted without delay, and sentence carried out
immediately after trial to ensure the desired deterrent effect.
Why?  And efficiency wins again.  Added
benefit of keeping the troublemakers quiet.
Yeah yeah wall of text blah blah blah.  Grow an attention span.  There are people out there that want to seriously change things here.
Have I mentioned lately how much I detest communists/ marxists/ progressives/ socialists?






 
 
 
 
 
 
Link Posted: 4/16/2016 10:52:29 PM EDT
Jaffa, you understand..,
Link Posted: 4/16/2016 10:54:05 PM EDT
lol afraid.  are you a woman
Link Posted: 4/16/2016 10:55:21 PM EDT
Link Posted: 4/16/2016 10:57:10 PM EDT
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Over 3+decades I have spent time talking to many people who truly believesome form of a blended socialism/ communism would be beneficial tothe US, and are working to make it happen. Not the Che T-shirt wearingslogan-spewing fist-pumping foot soldiers.  Nor the FSA whoare being used as the blunt instrument to break existing systems and force change. Nope - the true believers.

Thesepeople are the ones donating money and time to support "appropriate" politicalcandidates and far-left initiatives (like the Secretary of State Project, the NPVIC, just to name a couple). They might be yourneighbor, or the co-worker in your office two cubicles over that way,or the nice quiet 50-something lady who is your child's home-roomteacher. They generally do not discuss politics, especially with those who hold the Constitution in high regard.

They have friends in high places and with deep pockets. They are the quiet and persistent force providing the "nudge", and they are fully committed. They embrace the progressive approach – all of them acknowledgedthey would probably never see the full change in their lifetimes. For them, any move towards the left is a victory, one more step inthe march to transform the US, and they are perfectly OK with it if their grand-children are the ones who get to see the final product.

These are the people who worry me.  Unless they tell you, you'd never know what they hold in their heart.  The saddest thing of all?  We have people here on this forum that would be OK with some of these things, packaged a little differently, or as-is.

So, here is a compilation of those true believers "vision" for the US of A.    What surprised me was thealmost uniform nature of the wish-list, minor variations wereexpressed mainly in the depth of the various programs.  A couple ofmain themes to the underlying reasons for the changes desired existedas well – efficiency and environmentalism.  Imagine that.





Agriculture, industry, business,healthcare, housing, transportation, etc... is nationalized andbecomes property of the State.

Why?  Efficiency.  Instead of thousandsof differing entities making decisions, central administrators wouldhave plans and make decisions.  Changes could be made in a faster andmore efficient manner.  Waste would be reduced as we produced andtransported only what was necessary.  Less waste means production ofless environmentally hazardous materials/ emissions, smaller landfillrequirements, etc...


Housing and Transportation

ALL towns and cities become centrallyplanned, designed, built and maintained. Central core with governmentoffices, major hospitals and other services that need to be centrallylocated. Sub-stations with essential service serving severalneighborhoods. Neighborhoods built around industrial facilities,agricultural cores, business centers, etc... with neighborhoodcafeterias, recreational/ fitness facilities and parks, schools, andclinics.

ALL housing will be efficient high-riseapartment structures.

Singles will enjoy the carefreelifestyle of fully-furnished open-bay dormitories and communitytoilet/ shower facilities. Each floor will have a day-room withavailable radio and TV. Sexually segregated, of course.

Married couples will havefully-furnished efficiency apartments. If they are successful ingaining approval to have a child, they will be able to move into afully-furnished one bedroom unit.


May as well mention relationshipshere...  relationships would be regulated by the State, but no sexoutside of marriage – can't have any of those nasty STDs eating upresources and making people too sick for work.  Dating in a platonicmatter would be fine.  Finding a mate would need State approval, aswould having a child.)

Apartments with views, and larger thanone bedroom in size, will be reserved for those who have positions ofimportance within society – and as an added perk, they will havethe ability to choose their decor and furnishings.

ALL transportation will be masstransit, except for transport used as perks.

Why?  Efficiency, again.  This removesthe health and fire hazards associated with having food storage andpreparation in living quarters. This promotes population health dueto the ability to control the type and amount of food consumed andthe additional forced exercise due to having to walk/ bike to work ora public transport stop.  This reduces transportation costs, time,use of nationalized resources, and emissions.  And the perk of beingable to own a car, or have a car and driver?  Simply for enticementand/ or reward, it may get some people to work harder or do somethingmore for society in order to improve their living situation.


Education

EVERYONE is aptitude tested at severalstages of early life, starting in pre-school, in order to place the students in the propertraining path so they can be best utilized for the needs of society. Some will follow a path into the military, others into thetrades, others into government service, others into athletics orperforming arts, and others into medical and science. Those who testso poorly as to not be trainable, will be placed into simple laborpositions. Once in a path, you can only proceed along the path, or be"demoted" to lesser service.

EVERYONE receives an education throughHigh School levels, with concentration of studies in areas that willbenefit your career path.

Military officers, governmentfunctionaries, performance arts, science and medical will receive theappropriate amount of additional education deemed necessary.

Why?  And again, efficiency.  With anadded twist of doing what's best for society as a whole.  Why wasteresources on sending someone to college for a degree that they arenot suited for and will most likely result in poor work performance? Why not maximize resources by placing people where they can best usetheir particular aptitudes?  Why deny society the services of someonebest suited to be a neurosurgeon because the selfish person wants tobe an author?  Why not have the minds and bodies best suited formilitary service, actually in the military?  Etc...


Pay and Benefits

ALL monies generated form any source godirectly to the government for proper distribution.

EVERYONE receives a "living wage",which is only enough to to pay for personal incidentals because allclothing, housing, utilities, healthcare, education, food andtransportation are provided.

Your worth to society determines theamount of additional "perks" you receive on top of theliving wage. Perks are increased food rations/ better quality foodand drink, increased living space, increased recreation time/activities, special group or private transportation instead of masstransit, better healthcare or preferential treatment instead ofwaiting months to see the doc, etc...

EVERYONE works. If you are incapable ofworking due to advanced age or disability or illness, you go to thesanitarium.

Why?  Yep, you guessed it –efficiency.  With a heaping pile of fairness.  Except for those perksfor people who are special.  You know – to get people to strive todo better or more for the betterment of society.


Healthcare

EVERYONE receives healthcare at a leveldesigned to maintain peak performance for your duties to society,inline with your value to society. Full "cradle-to-grave"system.

There will be sanitariums to housethose who are not capable of working due to age, physical disability,mental state, accident, etc... Minimal care will be provided,basically what is needed to make your final days kind of comfortable. No expensive drugs or specialized treatments once you go to thesanitariums.

Why?  Would you say efficiency?  Ding! Winner winner chicken dinner!  People who have no use to society area net drain on resources and money.  Why spend any more thannecessary on those who can produce nothing, and will probably bedying soon anyways?  Compassion?  Yeah, like I mentioned, they willhelp make your (hopefully short) stay as comfortable as possible atminimal cost.


Public Broadcasting

ALL media will be owned by the State.Approved broadcasts will be designed to promote relaxation or vigor,at the appropriate times and venues. Patriotic broadcasts will alwaysbe available.

Why?  Efficiency!  Happy relaxed peoplework better and are not going to be troublemakers.  And, it willensure the people get the real news, and not that nasty propaganda wesee today.


Work

ALL work will be for the benefit ofsociety. Working off the books for your personal benefit orparticipating in "black markets" will be considered crimesagainst society, and treated as Capitol crimes.

Why?  Umm... efficiency?  Yep. Everyone works for the benefit if our beloved society.  You do wantto contribute to the greatness of our society, don't you?


Crime and Punishment

Criminal code will be simplified, toremove confusion and reduce trial and conviction times.

Simple infractions will result in extrawork time or loss of privileges.

More serious infractions will result intime at a prison farm, or at a mine or heavy industrial site.

Capitol crimes will be punishable bydeath. Capitol crimes include murder, negligent homicide, rape, childmolestation, and crimes against society (judges have wide latitude inthis area in order to help maintain a functioning society). Capitolcrimes will be prosecuted without delay, and sentence carried outimmediately after trial to ensure the desired deterrent effect.

Why?  And efficiency wins again.  Addedbenefit of keeping the troublemakers quiet.





Yeah yeah wall of text blah blah blah.  Grow an attention span.  There are people out there that want to seriously change things here.

Have I mentioned lately how much I detest communists/ marxists/ progressives/ socialists?



           
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Sounds like North Korea
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IMHO there's quite a few of us here that do.



Whether or not we all agree on the degree of change the leftists want is another matter.  As is people's willingness to post about it.



I've had neighbors and co-workers and friends who escaped from behind the Iron Curtain, and I got to hear from them what life was like in their corners of purgatory.



To hear Americans pining for some of that makes my heart go ice-cold.



 
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You should at least be concerned.



 
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Sounds like North Korea



Or a little bit of Cuba, Venezuela, the old USSR/ Warsaw Pact countries back in the Cold War days.



Tends to be a bit of a theme.



 
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Whatever you do don't organize,don't protest against them, don't use the same tactics against them keep shunning social media(assuming you do).We will definitely turn the tide by running off and hiding in an ammo fort for a war that ISN'T coming. What Jaffe posted is a perfect example of organization and bombardment.
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Whatever you do don't organize,don't protest against them, don't use the same tactics against them keep shunning social media(assuming you do).We will definitely turn the tide by running off and hiding in an ammo fort for a war that ISN'T coming. What Jaffa posted is a perfect example of organization and bombardment.
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Whatever you do don't organize,don't protest against them, don't use the same tactics against them keep shunning social media(assuming you do).We will definitely turn the tide by running off and hiding in an ammo fort for a war that ISN'T coming. What Jaffa posted is a perfect example of organization and bombardment.


The "nudge" works.  The progressives have used incrementalism for a very very long time.  It is a tactic we would be well advised to adopt IMHO - and start shifting the ball back to the right a wee bit at a time.



 
Link Posted: 4/16/2016 11:15:23 PM EDT
That collectivism bullshit can eat a huge bag of dicks.
Link Posted: 4/16/2016 11:26:16 PM EDT
Maybe more need to re-read ''Atlas Shrugged''.  Ayn Rand laid that out pretty well.....Scary stuff...
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Over 3+decades I have spent time talking to many people who truly believesome form of a blended socialism/ communism would be beneficial tothe US, and are working to make it happen. Not the Che T-shirt wearingslogan-spewing fist-pumping foot soldiers.  Nor the FSA whoare being used as the blunt instrument to break existing systems and force change. Nope - the true believers.

Thesepeople are the ones donating money and time to support "appropriate" politicalcandidates and far-left initiatives (like the Secretary of State Project, the NPVIC, just to name a couple). They might be yourneighbor, or the co-worker in your office two cubicles over that way,or the nice quiet 50-something lady who is your child's home-roomteacher. They generally do not discuss politics, especially with those who hold the Constitution in high regard.

They have friends in high places and with deep pockets. They are the quiet and persistent force providing the "nudge", and they are fully committed. They embrace the progressive approach – all of them acknowledgedthey would probably never see the full change in their lifetimes. For them, any move towards the left is a victory, one more step inthe march to transform the US, and they are perfectly OK with it if their grand-children are the ones who get to see the final product.

These are the people who worry me.  Unless they tell you, you'd never know what they hold in their heart.  The saddest thing of all?  We have people here on this forum that would be OK with some of these things, packaged a little differently, or as-is.

So, here is a compilation of those true believers "vision" for the US of A.    What surprised me was thealmost uniform nature of the wish-list, minor variations wereexpressed mainly in the depth of the various programs.  A couple ofmain themes to the underlying reasons for the changes desired existedas well – efficiency and environmentalism.  Imagine that.





Agriculture, industry, business,healthcare, housing, transportation, etc... is nationalized andbecomes property of the State.

Why?  Efficiency.  Instead of thousandsof differing entities making decisions, central administrators wouldhave plans and make decisions.  Changes could be made in a faster andmore efficient manner.  Waste would be reduced as we produced andtransported only what was necessary.  Less waste means production ofless environmentally hazardous materials/ emissions, smaller landfillrequirements, etc...


Housing and Transportation

ALL towns and cities become centrallyplanned, designed, built and maintained. Central core with governmentoffices, major hospitals and other services that need to be centrallylocated. Sub-stations with essential service serving severalneighborhoods. Neighborhoods built around industrial facilities,agricultural cores, business centers, etc... with neighborhoodcafeterias, recreational/ fitness facilities and parks, schools, andclinics.

ALL housing will be efficient high-riseapartment structures.

Singles will enjoy the carefreelifestyle of fully-furnished open-bay dormitories and communitytoilet/ shower facilities. Each floor will have a day-room withavailable radio and TV. Sexually segregated, of course.

Married couples will havefully-furnished efficiency apartments. If they are successful ingaining approval to have a child, they will be able to move into afully-furnished one bedroom unit.


May as well mention relationshipshere...  relationships would be regulated by the State, but no sexoutside of marriage – can't have any of those nasty STDs eating upresources and making people too sick for work.  Dating in a platonicmatter would be fine.  Finding a mate would need State approval, aswould having a child.)

Apartments with views, and larger thanone bedroom in size, will be reserved for those who have positions ofimportance within society – and as an added perk, they will havethe ability to choose their decor and furnishings.

ALL transportation will be masstransit, except for transport used as perks.

Why?  Efficiency, again.  This removesthe health and fire hazards associated with having food storage andpreparation in living quarters. This promotes population health dueto the ability to control the type and amount of food consumed andthe additional forced exercise due to having to walk/ bike to work ora public transport stop.  This reduces transportation costs, time,use of nationalized resources, and emissions.  And the perk of beingable to own a car, or have a car and driver?  Simply for enticementand/ or reward, it may get some people to work harder or do somethingmore for society in order to improve their living situation.


Education

EVERYONE is aptitude tested at severalstages of early life, starting in pre-school, in order to place the students in the propertraining path so they can be best utilized for the needs of society. Some will follow a path into the military, others into thetrades, others into government service, others into athletics orperforming arts, and others into medical and science. Those who testso poorly as to not be trainable, will be placed into simple laborpositions. Once in a path, you can only proceed along the path, or be"demoted" to lesser service.

EVERYONE receives an education throughHigh School levels, with concentration of studies in areas that willbenefit your career path.

Military officers, governmentfunctionaries, performance arts, science and medical will receive theappropriate amount of additional education deemed necessary.

Why?  And again, efficiency.  With anadded twist of doing what's best for society as a whole.  Why wasteresources on sending someone to college for a degree that they arenot suited for and will most likely result in poor work performance? Why not maximize resources by placing people where they can best usetheir particular aptitudes?  Why deny society the services of someonebest suited to be a neurosurgeon because the selfish person wants tobe an author?  Why not have the minds and bodies best suited formilitary service, actually in the military?  Etc...


Pay and Benefits

ALL monies generated form any source godirectly to the government for proper distribution.

EVERYONE receives a "living wage",which is only enough to to pay for personal incidentals because allclothing, housing, utilities, healthcare, education, food andtransportation are provided.

Your worth to society determines theamount of additional "perks" you receive on top of theliving wage. Perks are increased food rations/ better quality foodand drink, increased living space, increased recreation time/activities, special group or private transportation instead of masstransit, better healthcare or preferential treatment instead ofwaiting months to see the doc, etc...

EVERYONE works. If you are incapable ofworking due to advanced age or disability or illness, you go to thesanitarium.

Why?  Yep, you guessed it –efficiency.  With a heaping pile of fairness.  Except for those perksfor people who are special.  You know – to get people to strive todo better or more for the betterment of society.


Healthcare

EVERYONE receives healthcare at a leveldesigned to maintain peak performance for your duties to society,inline with your value to society. Full "cradle-to-grave"system.

There will be sanitariums to housethose who are not capable of working due to age, physical disability,mental state, accident, etc... Minimal care will be provided,basically what is needed to make your final days kind of comfortable. No expensive drugs or specialized treatments once you go to thesanitariums.

Why?  Would you say efficiency?  Ding! Winner winner chicken dinner!  People who have no use to society area net drain on resources and money.  Why spend any more thannecessary on those who can produce nothing, and will probably bedying soon anyways?  Compassion?  Yeah, like I mentioned, they willhelp make your (hopefully short) stay as comfortable as possible atminimal cost.


Public Broadcasting

ALL media will be owned by the State.Approved broadcasts will be designed to promote relaxation or vigor,at the appropriate times and venues. Patriotic broadcasts will alwaysbe available.

Why?  Efficiency!  Happy relaxed peoplework better and are not going to be troublemakers.  And, it willensure the people get the real news, and not that nasty propaganda wesee today.


Work

ALL work will be for the benefit ofsociety. Working off the books for your personal benefit orparticipating in "black markets" will be considered crimesagainst society, and treated as Capitol crimes.

Why?  Umm... efficiency?  Yep. Everyone works for the benefit if our beloved society.  You do wantto contribute to the greatness of our society, don't you?


Crime and Punishment

Criminal code will be simplified, toremove confusion and reduce trial and conviction times.

Simple infractions will result in extrawork time or loss of privileges.

More serious infractions will result intime at a prison farm, or at a mine or heavy industrial site.

Capitol crimes will be punishable bydeath. Capitol crimes include murder, negligent homicide, rape, childmolestation, and crimes against society (judges have wide latitude inthis area in order to help maintain a functioning society). Capitolcrimes will be prosecuted without delay, and sentence carried outimmediately after trial to ensure the desired deterrent effect.

Why?  And efficiency wins again.  Addedbenefit of keeping the troublemakers quiet.





Yeah yeah wall of text blah blah blah.  Grow an attention span.  There are people out there that want to seriously change things here.

Have I mentioned lately how much I detest communists/ marxists/ progressives/ socialists?



           
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Whatever you do don't organize,don't protest against them, don't use the same tactics against them keep shunning social media(assuming you do).We will definitely turn the tide by running off and hiding in an ammo fort for a war that ISN'T coming. What Jaffa posted is a perfect example of organization and bombardment.

The "nudge" works.  The progressives have used incrementalism for a very very long time.  It is a tactic we would be well advised to adopt IMHO - and start shifting the ball back to the right a wee bit at a time.
 
It's all about young people. We must fight the "guns are icky" idea, the "government knows best" idea, and teach young people true history and why they must believe in freedom.
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I'm not afraid. I'm armed.
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Let me think about it for a little bit - I'll probably catch shit for this here on ARF, and I don't know if I'm wanting to deal with more than just GD.



 
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Whatever you do don't organize,don't protest against them, don't use the same tactics against them keep shunning social media(assuming you do).We will definitely turn the tide by running off and hiding in an ammo fort for a war that ISN'T coming. What Jaffa posted is a perfect example of organization and bombardment.


The "nudge" works.  The progressives have used incrementalism for a very very long time.  It is a tactic we would be well advised to adopt IMHO - and start shifting the ball back to the right a wee bit at a time.

 
It's all about young people. We must fight the "guns are icky" idea, the "government knows best" idea, and teach young people true history and why they must believe in freedom.



Yup.  Another thing we need is for people to get into journalism, academia, the sciences, local/ state/ fed gov and school boards, etc... and be the non-lefty voices in the rooms.



 
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Whatever you do don't organize,don't protest against them, don't use the same tactics against them keep shunning social media(assuming you do).We will definitely turn the tide by running off and hiding in an ammo fort for a war that ISN'T coming. What Jaffa posted is a perfect example of organization and bombardment.

The "nudge" works.  The progressives have used incrementalism for a very very long time.  It is a tactic we would be well advised to adopt IMHO - and start shifting the ball back to the right a wee bit at a time.
 


And yet, on this very site, we DEMEAN writers and journalists and teachers and actors, etc, etc; aka people who control the message.

Because, for some fucking retarded reason, folks here think we can STEM or trade our way to political victory.
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When Obama was first elected someone posted a "wish list" from DU. Pretty much they want everything for free and the .gov should do all the thinking and planning for the little people. Elites, artists, and professional students get to live comfortably. All others live in .gov provided inner city apartments so you can walk to your .gov chosen job.
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It's normal to fear death...in my opinion it's because we fear making our maker with the sins of our lifetime to answer for.

The only solution to this problem...also in my opinion is a saving relationship with Jesus Christ.

When a person is secure in the knowledge that his sins are forgiven him then he can stand before God with a pardon in his hand.

Without that gift of salvation purchased on our behalf by Jesus Christ we all stand condemned and have every reason to fear the moment we stand before God the father
in judgement.
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I dont think Democrats will ever set up death camps. Just debt default, higher taxes, health care service shortages, high unemployment, rampant crime, a lower standard of living, lawlessness and corruption as everyday business, and an unending economic crisis.


 
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Over 3+decades I have spent time talking to many people who truly believesome form of a blended socialism/ communism would be beneficial tothe US, and are working to make it happen. Not the Che T-shirt wearingslogan-spewing fist-pumping foot soldiers.  Nor the FSA whoare being used as the blunt instrument to break existing systems and force change. Nope - the true believers.

Thesepeople are the ones donating money and time to support "appropriate" politicalcandidates and far-left initiatives (like the Secretary of State Project, the NPVIC, just to name a couple). They might be yourneighbor, or the co-worker in your office two cubicles over that way,or the nice quiet 50-something lady who is your child's home-roomteacher. They generally do not discuss politics, especially with those who hold the Constitution in high regard.

They have friends in high places and with deep pockets. They are the quiet and persistent force providing the "nudge", and they are fully committed. They embrace the progressive approach – all of them acknowledgedthey would probably never see the full change in their lifetimes. For them, any move towards the left is a victory, one more step inthe march to transform the US, and they are perfectly OK with it if their grand-children are the ones who get to see the final product.

These are the people who worry me.  Unless they tell you, you'd never know what they hold in their heart.  The saddest thing of all?  We have people here on this forum that would be OK with some of these things, packaged a little differently, or as-is.

So, here is a compilation of those true believers "vision" for the US of A.    What surprised me was thealmost uniform nature of the wish-list, minor variations wereexpressed mainly in the depth of the various programs.  A couple ofmain themes to the underlying reasons for the changes desired existedas well – efficiency and environmentalism.  Imagine that.





Agriculture, industry, business,healthcare, housing, transportation, etc... is nationalized andbecomes property of the State.

Why?  Efficiency.  Instead of thousandsof differing entities making decisions, central administrators wouldhave plans and make decisions.  Changes could be made in a faster andmore efficient manner.  Waste would be reduced as we produced andtransported only what was necessary.  Less waste means production ofless environmentally hazardous materials/ emissions, smaller landfillrequirements, etc...


Housing and Transportation

ALL towns and cities become centrallyplanned, designed, built and maintained. Central core with governmentoffices, major hospitals and other services that need to be centrallylocated. Sub-stations with essential service serving severalneighborhoods. Neighborhoods built around industrial facilities,agricultural cores, business centers, etc... with neighborhoodcafeterias, recreational/ fitness facilities and parks, schools, andclinics.

ALL housing will be efficient high-riseapartment structures.

Singles will enjoy the carefreelifestyle of fully-furnished open-bay dormitories and communitytoilet/ shower facilities. Each floor will have a day-room withavailable radio and TV. Sexually segregated, of course.

Married couples will havefully-furnished efficiency apartments. If they are successful ingaining approval to have a child, they will be able to move into afully-furnished one bedroom unit.


May as well mention relationshipshere...  relationships would be regulated by the State, but no sexoutside of marriage – can't have any of those nasty STDs eating upresources and making people too sick for work.  Dating in a platonicmatter would be fine.  Finding a mate would need State approval, aswould having a child.)

Apartments with views, and larger thanone bedroom in size, will be reserved for those who have positions ofimportance within society – and as an added perk, they will havethe ability to choose their decor and furnishings.

ALL transportation will be masstransit, except for transport used as perks.

Why?  Efficiency, again.  This removesthe health and fire hazards associated with having food storage andpreparation in living quarters. This promotes population health dueto the ability to control the type and amount of food consumed andthe additional forced exercise due to having to walk/ bike to work ora public transport stop.  This reduces transportation costs, time,use of nationalized resources, and emissions.  And the perk of beingable to own a car, or have a car and driver?  Simply for enticementand/ or reward, it may get some people to work harder or do somethingmore for society in order to improve their living situation.


Education

EVERYONE is aptitude tested at severalstages of early life, starting in pre-school, in order to place the students in the propertraining path so they can be best utilized for the needs of society. Some will follow a path into the military, others into thetrades, others into government service, others into athletics orperforming arts, and others into medical and science. Those who testso poorly as to not be trainable, will be placed into simple laborpositions. Once in a path, you can only proceed along the path, or be"demoted" to lesser service.

EVERYONE receives an education throughHigh School levels, with concentration of studies in areas that willbenefit your career path.

Military officers, governmentfunctionaries, performance arts, science and medical will receive theappropriate amount of additional education deemed necessary.

Why?  And again, efficiency.  With anadded twist of doing what's best for society as a whole.  Why wasteresources on sending someone to college for a degree that they arenot suited for and will most likely result in poor work performance? Why not maximize resources by placing people where they can best usetheir particular aptitudes?  Why deny society the services of someonebest suited to be a neurosurgeon because the selfish person wants tobe an author?  Why not have the minds and bodies best suited formilitary service, actually in the military?  Etc...


Pay and Benefits

ALL monies generated form any source godirectly to the government for proper distribution.

EVERYONE receives a "living wage",which is only enough to to pay for personal incidentals because allclothing, housing, utilities, healthcare, education, food andtransportation are provided.

Your worth to society determines theamount of additional "perks" you receive on top of theliving wage. Perks are increased food rations/ better quality foodand drink, increased living space, increased recreation time/activities, special group or private transportation instead of masstransit, better healthcare or preferential treatment instead ofwaiting months to see the doc, etc...

EVERYONE works. If you are incapable ofworking due to advanced age or disability or illness, you go to thesanitarium.

Why?  Yep, you guessed it –efficiency.  With a heaping pile of fairness.  Except for those perksfor people who are special.  You know – to get people to strive todo better or more for the betterment of society.


Healthcare

EVERYONE receives healthcare at a leveldesigned to maintain peak performance for your duties to society,inline with your value to society. Full "cradle-to-grave"system.

There will be sanitariums to housethose who are not capable of working due to age, physical disability,mental state, accident, etc... Minimal care will be provided,basically what is needed to make your final days kind of comfortable. No expensive drugs or specialized treatments once you go to thesanitariums.

Why?  Would you say efficiency?  Ding! Winner winner chicken dinner!  People who have no use to society area net drain on resources and money.  Why spend any more thannecessary on those who can produce nothing, and will probably bedying soon anyways?  Compassion?  Yeah, like I mentioned, they willhelp make your (hopefully short) stay as comfortable as possible atminimal cost.


Public Broadcasting

ALL media will be owned by the State.Approved broadcasts will be designed to promote relaxation or vigor,at the appropriate times and venues. Patriotic broadcasts will alwaysbe available.

Why?  Efficiency!  Happy relaxed peoplework better and are not going to be troublemakers.  And, it willensure the people get the real news, and not that nasty propaganda wesee today.


Work

ALL work will be for the benefit ofsociety. Working off the books for your personal benefit orparticipating in "black markets" will be considered crimesagainst society, and treated as Capitol crimes.

Why?  Umm... efficiency?  Yep. Everyone works for the benefit if our beloved society.  You do wantto contribute to the greatness of our society, don't you?


Crime and Punishment

Criminal code will be simplified, toremove confusion and reduce trial and conviction times.

Simple infractions will result in extrawork time or loss of privileges.

More serious infractions will result intime at a prison farm, or at a mine or heavy industrial site.

Capitol crimes will be punishable bydeath. Capitol crimes include murder, negligent homicide, rape, childmolestation, and crimes against society (judges have wide latitude inthis area in order to help maintain a functioning society). Capitolcrimes will be prosecuted without delay, and sentence carried outimmediately after trial to ensure the desired deterrent effect.

Why?  And efficiency wins again.  Addedbenefit of keeping the troublemakers quiet.





Yeah yeah wall of text blah blah blah.  Grow an attention span.  There are people out there that want to seriously change things here.

Have I mentioned lately how much I detest communists/ marxists/ progressives/ socialists?



           
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And yet, on this very site, we DEMEAN writers and journalists and teachers and actors, etc, etc; aka people who control the message.

Because, for some fucking retarded reason, folks here think we can STEM or trade our way to political victory.
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Whatever you do don't organize,don't protest against them, don't use the same tactics against them keep shunning social media(assuming you do).We will definitely turn the tide by running off and hiding in an ammo fort for a war that ISN'T coming. What Jaffa posted is a perfect example of organization and bombardment.

The "nudge" works.  The progressives have used incrementalism for a very very long time.  It is a tactic we would be well advised to adopt IMHO - and start shifting the ball back to the right a wee bit at a time.
 


And yet, on this very site, we DEMEAN writers and journalists and teachers and actors, etc, etc; aka people who control the message.

Because, for some fucking retarded reason, folks here think we can STEM or trade our way to political victory.



Nailed it. In another thread people were going on and on about how much smarter conservatives were than liberals because we get degrees in engineering and stuff. I was like hooray you guys engineer while they "teach" your kids. It looks like we're not as smart as we think we are.
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Jaffe, did you lift that from 1984 or did you just type all that up?  Plagiarism is double plus ungood.  Big Brother is watching.
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LOL - nope.  I started keeping notes in the mid 90s.  And I hunt & peck, so no way I "typed" that in the space of a few minutes. Copy pastad from a word doc I update whenever I have a chance to chat with someone who leans that way.





 
 
 
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Whatever you do don't organize,don't protest against them, don't use the same tactics against them keep shunning social media(assuming you do).We will definitely turn the tide by running off and hiding in an ammo fort for a war that ISN'T coming. What Jaffa posted is a perfect example of organization and bombardment.

The "nudge" works.  The progressives have used incrementalism for a very very long time.  It is a tactic we would be well advised to adopt IMHO - and start shifting the ball back to the right a wee bit at a time.
 
It's all about young people. We must fight the "guns are icky" idea, the "government knows best" idea, and teach young people true history and why they must believe in freedom.

Yup.  Another thing we need is for people to get into journalism, academia, the sciences, local/ state/ fed gov and school boards, etc... and be the non-lefty voices in the rooms.
 


It's too late. You know how you get fired from those types of jobs or voted off those boards?  By being the non-lefty voice in the room.

That's why the Progressive lie is so insidious; because the least deserving and most fearful of their own inadequacies see a chance to seize power and keep it.

Ayn Rand said it best; it's really a form of self-hatred. They will go to any extreme to perpetuate the lie simply so they don't have to face reality. The reality that if there weren't "producers" they could leech off of, they would surely die. So they shape the world to their lie - everyone is equal, all ideas and beliefs are valid and worthy, everything should belong to everyone, etc.

The only way to fight it is to wait until it becomes so unbearable that the only avenue left is to kill them when they come to kill you, and then kill them first. It may be a long wait, but they will come. History teaches us that it's inevitable.
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How dare you deal in reality! The GD audience will only scoff and make animal like comments especially when they can not comprenend. I'm surprised there is no "Monkey throwing feces" meme. It would be employed extendsively here. OP by the way you have a backbone issue.
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Was about to post this in the Sanders thread before it was locked but was too late.

I balk at Sanders because he's an avowed socialist and I grew up reading stories of holocaust survivors in Poland, Germany, and places like the Soviet states.. I was a depressing person then and now.

I have no desire to see that stuff here but I fear it is only a matter of time and the thought truly haunts my every waking moment. The kind of gripping fear that leaves you powerless to stop it.

I compare it to being on the beach and seeing a huge shark moving towards some children about neck deep in water. I shout warnings but they don't hear me due to the surf, I wave frantically but they don't see me. I know I can't help them and all I can do is watch as the screams and horror start...

Lest we forget, Hitler never killed anyone. He merely ordered others to do so and it was done. Thinking it can't happen here only ensures that it will. There will be a group the Socialist hate and it's likely to include us among others the State dislikes. Being rich or having a useful skill for the economy will not outweigh their hate.

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Trump Hate...

And you can understand why they burned witches not long ago...





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Whatever you do don't organize,don't protest against them, don't use the same tactics against them keep shunning social media(assuming you do).We will definitely turn the tide by running off and hiding in an ammo fort for a war that ISN'T coming. What Jaffe posted is a perfect example of organization and bombardment.
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Whatever you do don't organize,don't protest against them, don't use the same tactics against them keep shunning social media(assuming you do).We will definitely turn the tide by running off and hiding in an ammo fort for a war that ISN'T coming. What Jaffe posted is a perfect example of organization and bombardment.


The left must be belittled, made fun of, and most importantly stigmatized.

That is the only way to win.

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I think what Jaffa really meant was this, taken directly from the Communist Manifesto:

Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.
2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.
4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.
5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.
6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.
7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.
8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.
9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.
10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production,


We're already about halfway there.
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Smart people can thrive in any system. You just have to know what the ground rules are.
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Atlas Shrugged and We the Living (also by Ayn Rand) should be required reading for all high school seniors.  Too bad it will never happen.
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Over 3+decades I have spent time talking to many people who truly believesome form of a blended socialism/ communism would be beneficial tothe US, and are working to make it happen. Not the Che T-shirt wearingslogan-spewing fist-pumping foot soldiers.  Nor the FSA whoare being used as the blunt instrument to break existing systems and force change. Nope - the true believers.
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Nice dissertation there JAFFE and I've met people that think something like that would be perfect.



Generally, these people seem to have very high opinions of themselves whether or not they actually did anything to deserve it.

















The funny thing is, the ones that think and promote these ideals, somehow think they will be part of bourgeoisie.



They won't be, they'll be digging potatoes with the rest of the proletariat.





If I manage to get them to admit their ideals, I'll ask them why they think they'll be part of the ruling class and invariably they will say something about their intelligence or education.



I'll remind them that Stalin killed the Intellegencia during the Great Purge right at the very beginning.
























 

 
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It's too late. You know how you get fired from those types of jobs or voted off those boards?  By being the non-lefty voice in the room.



That's why the Progressive lie is so insidious; because the least deserving and most fearful of their own inadequacies see a chance to seize power and keep it.



Ayn Rand said it best; it's really a form of self-hatred. They will go to any extreme to perpetuate the lie simply so they don't have to face reality. The reality that if there weren't "producers" they could leech off of, they would surely die. So they shape the world to their lie - everyone is equal, all ideas and beliefs are valid and worthy, everything should belong to everyone, etc.



The only way to fight it is to wait until it becomes so unbearable that the only avenue left is to kill them when they come to kill you, and then kill them first. It may be a long wait, but they will come. History teaches us that it's inevitable.

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Yup.  Another thing we need is for people to get into journalism, academia, the sciences, local/ state/ fed gov and school boards, etc... and be the non-lefty voices in the rooms.

 


It's too late. You know how you get fired from those types of jobs or voted off those boards?  By being the non-lefty voice in the room.



That's why the Progressive lie is so insidious; because the least deserving and most fearful of their own inadequacies see a chance to seize power and keep it.



Ayn Rand said it best; it's really a form of self-hatred. They will go to any extreme to perpetuate the lie simply so they don't have to face reality. The reality that if there weren't "producers" they could leech off of, they would surely die. So they shape the world to their lie - everyone is equal, all ideas and beliefs are valid and worthy, everything should belong to everyone, etc.



The only way to fight it is to wait until it becomes so unbearable that the only avenue left is to kill them when they come to kill you, and then kill them first. It may be a long wait, but they will come. History teaches us that it's inevitable.



I'm not convinced it is too late.  The progressives didn't let low numbers/ being the "wrong" voice dissuade them from starting and continuing the push, and it has taken them over a century to get to this point.



I doubt waiting to fight until "they come for us" will turn out well - if people cannot be bothered to do the less difficult stuff now to keep from things going to guns, how many will actually take the more difficult route of going to guns and loosing everything?  I think you'll be surprised at how many will just roll over.



I'd much rather fight now, than to just wait for the alternatives.



IMHO and YMMV



 
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Comrade Bernie was mathematically eliminated 8 years ago.





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I think what Jaffa really meant was this, taken directly from the Communist Manifesto:





Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.





1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.


2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.


3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.


4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.


5. Centralisation of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with State capital and an exclusive monopoly.


6. Centralisation of the means of communication and transport in the hands of the State.


7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the State; the bringing into cultivation of waste-lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.


8. Equal liability of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.


9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.


10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children’s factory labour in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production,






We're already about halfway there.


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I really meant what I said.  And those people I've spent the time chatting with do not consider themselves communists, no matter how much what they describe matches an idealistic dream of a Cold War era USSR style society.  They consider themselves progressives, or progressive socialists, or progressive democrats, or democratic socialists.  But not communists.





 
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Smart people can thrive in any system. You just have to know what the ground rules are.

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True.



The issuer is whether or not people want this system or that, whether or not we have representatives that adhere to the principals of the Constitution or treat it as meaning whatever is convenient, and whether or not we shift from a constitutional republic to a democracy.



A battle has been raging for the very heart and soul of this country for a while now, and too many people have been asleep at the wheel.



IMHO



 
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Sounds a lot like The Giver.

Sounds a lot like the utopia the left wants.
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Occupy Wallstreet - Protesting for weeks, getting in people's faces  - Legitimized

BLM - Gets mad, riots, burns shit down - Legitimized

Conservative Gun Owners - Bitch on the internet, stand in registration lines, and bitch they don't have time to do other things "cuz jobs"  - Pussies to make fun of

Which side of the political system is currently winning?

Socialist America 2020 - "Shit, if we knew those gun owners were all talk about that silly 2nd amendment and standing up for rights, we'd have outlawed guns a long time ago"

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I really meant what I said.  And those people I've spent the time chatting with do not consider themselves communists, no matter how much what they describes matches an idealistic dream of a Cold War era USSR style society.  They consider themselves progressives, or progressive socialists, or progressive democrats, or democratic socialists.  But not communists.
 
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I was a little tongue in cheek there, but progressive is just the new politically correct way of saying communist.  And I agree, a lot of people don't consciously think of themselves that way, but it's what they are.  The whole 1% thing is a lot like the Soviet campaign against the kulaks.  I've been looking around a lot lately and thinking, "It always starts like this."

By the way, I didn't say earlier, but I absolutely liked your post.  It was spot on.
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I dont think Democrats will ever set up death camps. Just debt default, higher taxes, health care service shortages, high unemployment, rampant crime, a lower standard of living, lawlessness and corruption as everyday business, and an unending economic crisis.  
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They won't be called death camps they will be called work camps or Gulag.

They will use criminals as a proxy to extort more power and create more laws.
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It took Germany how long to make that change...12 years? Took them how long to enforce it....3 years. If so, time is short fellas.
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I'm not convinced it is too late.  The progressives didn't let low numbers/ being the "wrong" voice dissuade them from starting and continuing the push, and it has taken them over a century to get to this point.

I doubt waiting to fight until "they come for us" will turn out well - if people cannot be bothered to do the less difficult stuff now to keep from things going to guns, how many will actually take the more difficult route of going to guns and loosing everything?  I think you'll be surprised at how many will just roll over.

I'd much rather fight now, than to just wait for the alternatives.

IMHO and YMMV
 
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Yup.  Another thing we need is for people to get into journalism, academia, the sciences, local/ state/ fed gov and school boards, etc... and be the non-lefty voices in the rooms.
 

It's too late. You know how you get fired from those types of jobs or voted off those boards?  By being the non-lefty voice in the room.

That's why the Progressive lie is so insidious; because the least deserving and most fearful of their own inadequacies see a chance to seize power and keep it.

Ayn Rand said it best; it's really a form of self-hatred. They will go to any extreme to perpetuate the lie simply so they don't have to face reality. The reality that if there weren't "producers" they could leech off of, they would surely die. So they shape the world to their lie - everyone is equal, all ideas and beliefs are valid and worthy, everything should belong to everyone, etc.

The only way to fight it is to wait until it becomes so unbearable that the only avenue left is to kill them when they come to kill you, and then kill them first. It may be a long wait, but they will come. History teaches us that it's inevitable.

I'm not convinced it is too late.  The progressives didn't let low numbers/ being the "wrong" voice dissuade them from starting and continuing the push, and it has taken them over a century to get to this point.

I doubt waiting to fight until "they come for us" will turn out well - if people cannot be bothered to do the less difficult stuff now to keep from things going to guns, how many will actually take the more difficult route of going to guns and loosing everything?  I think you'll be surprised at how many will just roll over.

I'd much rather fight now, than to just wait for the alternatives.

IMHO and YMMV
 


Most will choose to live on their knee's than die on their feet.
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