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Posted: 6/22/2003 3:17:23 PM EDT
http://fredoneverything.net/WhitenessStudies Ethnic Purgation, Academic Disaster Dancing Bears, Clowns, and Cotton Candy June 23, 2003 Oh good. In the Washington Post,* the trade journal of the coming vacuum, I discover a story on "Whiteness Studies." These, at what used to be the University of Massachusetts, are yet more un-courses that grow like mold on the wreckage of American education. They endeavor to make white students ashamed of being white. How useful. An implement wielded to this end, saith the Post, is the Privilege Walk. In this the students or, more accurately, indoctrinees, are asked to take a step forward if they can answer "yes" to such questions as "Can you get a bank loan whenever you want?" The Post: "You looked behind you and became really uncomfortable," said Naomi Cairns, a 24-year-old junior who stood at the front of the classroom with other white students. Asian and black students she admired were near the back. "We all started together," she said, "and now were so separated." Which discomfort was of course intended. Whiteness is bad. In fact anything associated with achievement is bad. The questions must have been carefully crafted to separate whites from Asians, who are smarter than whites, more industrious, less criminal, generally more successful, and consequently wildly over-represented in the better schools. But…embarrassment over qualifying for a loan? "Can you get a bank loan?" might be phrased otherwise. For example, "Has your family, by virtue of proven honesty, sense of responsibility, and the economic fecundity that comes of study, competence, and hard work, demonstrated that it would not be foolish to lend you money?" The Privilege Walk is transparently designed to punish whites for having historically been intelligent, studious, and productive; for having contributed most of the things enjoyed, often at the expense of white taxpayers, by the shiftless, dull-witted, improvident, and parasitic. Now, I like the idea of a Privilege Walk, but I believe we ought to make it an Earned Privilege Walk. What do you think? "Take a step forward if the following statements apply to you: You got into the university without benefit of affirmative action. No one in your family has a criminal record. You have read three books this year you didn't have to read. You have ever read any book you didn't have to read You have ever read any book. You are majoring in a hard science, mathematics, or engineering. You had 600 math boards or better. You had 600 verbal boards or better. You study more than an hour a day." Since Whiteness Studies is explicitly aimed at segregating the races, how about this: "Your racial or ethnic group invented (take one step for each): Computational fluid dynamics. Tensor calculus. The harpsichord. The theory of finite automata. Cardiac surgery. Restriction Fragment Length Polymorphism. Writing. The wheel. Counting past ten. Fingers. (OK, OK, I'll give you that one.)" And: "You can spell 'polymorphism,' 'automata,' and 'ten' (one step each)." The result would be an interesting electrophoretic trace. Anyone want to try it? Next topic: In the Washington Times,** I find this lead: "The District's schoolchildren rank as the worst readers in the country and only slightly better in some grades than non-English-speaking children in the territories of Guam, the Virgin Islands and American Samoa…Only 10 percent of D.C. fourth-and eighth-graders last year were at or above proficient in reading ability." Having lived for many years in and about Washington, I can decrypt the foregoing story. "Children" means "black children." The few white kids in school in the District generally go to private schools, read competently, and produce the Merit finalists. Whites are uninvolved in this scholastic catastrophe: The government of Washington is black through and through, has a high expenditure per student ($9,650 says the Times; the average salary of teachers is $48,651), and can therefore have any schools it wants. This being so, the presumption is that it is satisfied with what it has. Newsweek:** "An astonishing 47 percent of Detroiters, nearly one out of two adults in this predominantly black city, are functionally illiterate. (By way of comparison, the figure for Vietnam is 6.7 percent and 1.7 percent for Croatia.)"* Do you suppose they should have done their homework? Whites however should be ashamed because they can get a loan from a bank. Black America is a vast, hidden, changeless disaster kept afloat by welfare and pretense. Nobody is even trying to do anything practical about it. While this goes on, the therapists of the University of Massachusetts beat their breasts conspicuously and waste the time of students. Do you sometimes suspect that some people are more useful than others? Next: The stories are dying down now about Benton Harbor, Michigan, which blacks spent two days burning. It was the usual story: a black with a suspended license ran from the police, wrecked his motorcycle, and killed himself. The population began igniting things. It happens every few years with either blacks or Latinos rioting. Cincinnati, Miami, DC at least twice, Los Angeles, Crown Heights, Newark, St. Pete, on and on, city after city torched, the stories played down, no consequences to the rioters, and the expectant wait for the next conflagration. Racially, things aren't working. Yet we have Privilege Walks. The Eloi play while awaiting the Morlocks. Next: I saw a political talk show in which a Mexican-American politician talked about the Latino population in Texas. He wasn't hostile to whites. He was, however, pro-Mexican. He said (I may have the number slightly off) that sixty-some percent of kids under 18 in Texas were Mexican. In ten years, he said, when they reached eighteen, and voted, "there is going to be a huge political change." Yes. Specifically, Mexicans will own the state. (This is exactly what he meant.) How bad this will be, if at all, depends on how relations develop. An ominous trend however is that Latino kids are dismal students and drop out of school. Other tensions loom. Latinos congregate in cities and, where they outnumber blacks, will displace them in elected office. There will be consequences. Finally: A friend in California, an economist, tells me that whites begin to flee the state to avoid the taxes needed to provide social services for immigrants. Unfortunately Mexican doctors, engineers, shopkeepers, and taxi drivers do not swim the river. America gets those who can't make it at home. The ethnic cleansing of California, should it continue, will be fascinating. Whence the productivity, the leadership for America's declining years? Latinos won't provide it, blacks can't, whites are gnawing their own veins, and there aren't enough Asians. But we at least have Whiteness Studies. *June 19, 2003 ** http://www.shashitharoor.com/articles/newsweek/illiterate.html ***June 20, 2003
Link Posted: 6/22/2003 3:29:10 PM EDT
Is anyone up for a Leftist breakfast? Because we are all waking up (albeit quite rudely) to whiteness studies, affirmative action, and a host of other bullshit that tries to make whites apologize to the world for the color of their skin... Grrr... Ok, so like 3 posts and my political stance is fully revealed...
Link Posted: 6/22/2003 3:32:48 PM EDT
How dare you post the facts!!!! IBTL!!!!
Link Posted: 6/22/2003 3:40:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/22/2003 3:44:08 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Red_Beard: ...Finally: A friend in California, an economist, tells me that whites begin to flee the state to avoid the taxes needed to provide social services for immigrants. Unfortunately Mexican doctors, engineers, shopkeepers, and taxi drivers do not swim the river. America gets those who can't make it at home. The ethnic cleansing of California, should it continue, will be fascinating.
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What "river" would this be? Perhaps geography studies are in order? Gentlemen: I will say this for the thousandth time. The struggle is against those who take responsibility for themselves and support capitalism and those who refuse to take responsibility for anything and embrace socialism. It IS NOT a struggle based on race, religion, or native language. Until some of you folks get it through those thick noggins of yours, there is no hope.
Link Posted: 6/22/2003 3:51:45 PM EDT
What "river" would this be? Perhaps geography studies are in order?
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The Rio Grande, he was using it Gentlemen: I will say this for the thousandth time. The struggle is against those who take responsibility for themselves and support capitalism and those who refuse to take responsibility for anything and embrace socialism. It IS NOT a struggle based on race, religion, or native language. Until some of you folks get it through those thick noggins of yours, there is no hope.
Link Posted: 6/22/2003 3:53:11 PM EDT
We have all heard the phrase, "the greatest generation". Are you suggesting that there is such a thing as "the greatest race"? Careful on this one! There are some excellent minority (yes, some are even black) mathematicians, physicists, but they are few, and under-represented in traditional academic areas. Read the book "THE BELL CURVE". Like many people I am weary of diversity and affirmative action programs. Guess what the two worst things that ever happened to our educational system are. One is the invention of television. Bet you won't take long to figure out the other!
Link Posted: 6/22/2003 4:10:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Da_Bunny:
What "river" would this be? Perhaps geography studies are in order?
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The Rio Grande, he was using it
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The Rio Grande only becomes a border between the US and Mexico at El Paso, TX. Before that, it is completely in the US. I will temporarily ignore the fact that the river has no freakin' water to speak of in it most of the time, but I have to laugh when someone refers to illegal immigrants in California and thinks they crossed the Rio Grande!
Link Posted: 6/22/2003 4:19:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By metalstorm: We have all heard the phrase, "the greatest generation". Are you suggesting that there is such a thing as "the greatest race"? Careful on this one! There are some excellent minority (yes, some are even black) mathematicians, physicists, but they are few, and under-represented in traditional academic areas. Read the book "THE BELL CURVE". Like many people I am weary of diversity and affirmative action programs. Guess what the two worst things that ever happened to our educational system are. One is the invention of television. Bet you won't take long to figure out the other!
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I have found myself supporting affirmative action, etc. for the first time in my life based primarily on the racism I have discovered on the internet. I honestly once believed that the ignorance displayed by som many people on this and other boards was hyperbole dreamt up by money-seeking politicians. The bell curve is fatlly flawed, in that it only looks at the US. Interestingly, the underperformance of some minorities is a worldwide phenomenon, and is not consistent from group to group. There is an Egyptian ghettos in Kuwait that has the same problems of educational ineptitude and such that we face in the US, for example. "The Bell Curve" does not account for immigration patterns or other historical factors for performance on standardized tests. I would be more willing to read a study that factors these out, by taking the same "groups" of people in different countries. However, inconsistent governmental systems, education systems and languages would make this impossible.
Link Posted: 6/22/2003 4:23:52 PM EDT
What "river" would this be? Perhaps geography studies are in order?
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The Rio Grande, he was using it as a metaphore.
Gentlemen: I will say this for the thousandth time. The struggle is against those who take responsibility for themselves and support capitalism and those who refuse to take responsibility for anything and embrace socialism. It IS NOT a struggle based on race, religion, or native language. Until some of you folks get it through those thick noggins of yours, there is no hope.
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Perhaps you are posting on the wrong thread, this thread seems to address the quality of education in America and the growning awareness among white males that "giving it up for diversity" hasn't garnered them any respect in American society, unless they're a socialist, and seems to have a negative effect on the opportunities available to white males in the workplace. I can't provide you with any statistics, since the powers that be seem to be reluctant to publish the numbers regarding employment statistics for white people as a percentage of the workforce. I can, however, walk into any bank, gov't agency, or educational institution and count heads. I won't hold any working person's job against them, most of them didn't make the rules. The breaks are the breaks. I do, however, resent the bigotry and oppression that SOME people in the workforce are able to direct towards whites without negative consequences or even official acknowledgement.
Link Posted: 6/22/2003 4:34:46 PM EDT
It's called a 'turn of phrase'[ala 'wetback'] Adam, try to resist your masters requirements for political correctness[newspeak]. Hell, even the canadian border is porous plus alot of latinos come in the SE[Fla and La], the 'river' is metaphorical hence 'wetbacks'.The Rio admittedly is only a sewage drain in spots. Too bad it isn't a Mississippi. Naw, then we'd have 'boat people' of various descriptions and dilute asian 'diversity'-it's just so HARD being a PC statist suck-up[keeping up with all the lies gets problematical if you really have a life]. If all this socialist pablum 'diversity' is so great, why does this country SUCK so bad compared to 30 years ago? The govt. steals half our money paying-off the dependant class and dumbs down the white serfs in state indoctrination centers so they accept mobocracy while fedgov dismantles the Constitution. Hell, I don't even like statist amerikans-the WOGs can get in line. Ghost
Link Posted: 6/22/2003 4:53:09 PM EDT
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I am in favor of affirmative action as long as it is based on economic need and not race. The problem is impoverished people do not constitute a voting block, but ethnic minorities do. Asian and East Indian ethnic minorities have a strong sense of family and industry and consequently excel academically and, consequently, financially. I don't even want to think about how shitty SAT scores would be without the contribiution of Asian kids performance. Black kids, on the other hand, score poorly regardless of the type or content of the standardized tests they take. Blacks have a 70% illegitimacy birth rate. 1 out of every 4 males between the ages of 18 and 40 are somehow involved in the receiving end of the criminal justice system. It's not until a sense of family and respect for familial authority is instilled in black children who are desperately lacking in role models that a socio-economic turnaround will be realized regardless of how many benefits are pushed in their direction. Addendum: Contrary to current black mythology, no one wants blacks to succeed more than non-blacks who are tired of escalating taxes to fund welfare programs and prisons and a rapid deterioration of our constitutional rights, especially 2nd Amendmend rights in response to minority gang-related violence.
Link Posted: 6/22/2003 4:55:31 PM EDT
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I think AW is right that its socialism that is dragging us down. Which is, of course, driven by democrats, to support "the people/races mentioned" for the most part, to gather their votes. This does nothing to help them. It only makes them dependant and we pay for it. edited to say: weather was bad last week. I only made 50 bucks. Pony up you guys.
Link Posted: 6/22/2003 4:59:38 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Adam_White: I have found myself supporting affirmative action, etc. for the first time in my life based primarily on the racism I have discovered on the internet.
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Well that's just means you're mentally soft. [:P] The underlying principle of affirmative action is racist, sexist and the epitome of a collectivist view of individuals. For example, affirmative action presumes that one Black is interchangeable with another Black - as a principle it completely obliterates individualism and sees ONLY groups and prejudges and stereotypes individuals on the basis of which group they fall into. Affirmative action assumes that an individual's character, experiences, abilities, capacities and needs are determined by their race NOT by their [u]individual[/u] life experiences or achievements. Affirmative action necessarily holds the view that all blacks are equally in need of "extra help" because of their skin color, that all women have in the past and will continue to experience the same sexism, that all Hispanics come from the same cultural and economic backgrounds and that all white males are all equally "given" more than any other minority. Affirmative action is an insult to ALL racial groups - minorities AND whites. The logic of it's underlying principle is entirely faulty and it is utterly immoral in it's view of INDIVIDUALS as nothing more than identical, interchangeable cutouts with all the whites being equally perfect and all minorities being equally flawed clones made from the same defective cookie-cutter stamp, all in need of "extra" help.
Link Posted: 6/22/2003 5:04:39 PM EDT
Were you not, at one time, "RAGNAR RED BEARD"? Purveyor of all things pro-white? Not that I have a big problem with that, but just wondering.
Link Posted: 6/22/2003 5:08:57 PM EDT
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no, i posted as anti-gov-tinfoil-man until that account got locked on account of my making a joke about federal police and pine boxes i was allowed to open up another account, which i cleverly named "agtm" on a whim one night i changed the username to a bunch of numbers, then found out that the "change username" button disappeared after one use after i bitched in a post about getting tired of using a list of numbers as a login a helpful staff member changed it to this for me i chose this because i have a red beard while the rest of my hair is not red. too bad i didn't remember ragnar red beard nazi troll
Link Posted: 6/22/2003 6:27:51 PM EDT
Blacks who get into better schools, presumably under the aegis of AA, come from families that are at least comparable to average white families in terms of income. More importantly, they're recieving preferential admission over large numbers of poorer, more disadvantaged whites. AA is neither a cheap, easy, nor effective way of addressing the problems of poor minorities (or whites, for that matter.) Its not effective, because it appears to primarily benefit middle class and upper middle class minorities. Its not cheap or easy, because it creates resentment and increased racism against all minorities, which obviously isn't going to help the working class minority who needs a job. It stigmatizes the accomplishments of minority professionals in the eyes of educated, middle class whites, and it poisons relations with poor and working class whites even more when they see preferences given to wealthier minorities. It seems that restricting AA to families that are actually economically disadvantaged in a meaninful way would be a start at improving the system and focusing it where the problem is greatest, while minimizing the more harmful and unfair aspects of it. However, the problem with the whole concept of AA for either racial or socioeconomic reasons is the many invalid assumptions that are made about individuals because of their membership in a racial or socioeconomic group. One cannot make any assumptions about how hard or disciplined an individual is based on his numbers as compared to his economic group. There seems to be this idea that wealthy individuals, because they have demanding parents and access to tutors do less work than other individuals. This is not true. A slacker, even a wealthy slacker, isn't going to have the grades/LSAT/MCAT necessary for admission to an elite law or medical school. A genuis slacker may, but not a slacker just because he's wealthy. Tutors/parents don't take tests, do homework assignments, etc. Simply being poor doesn't create an obstacle to academic success, at least not in America, I know. One doesn't have to be wealthy to have a good GPA, (that should be even easier to get in a crappy school, assuming that assumption is correct), or to do well on tests. All that's required is access to the library, which is not denied the poor. One could mention "parent's expectations", but if someone has the GPA/LSAT/MCAT to compete, it would be logical to assume that he had responsible parents or simply had an innate desire to succeed. Physical handicaps, such as blindness, paralysis, deafness are obstacles to academic success. Language handicaps, such as moving to a foreign country at age 15 can be. Learning disabilities, such as dyslexia can also create obstacles to academic success. Simply being poor in no way makes it difficult for one to study/do homework, and all the other necessities required for academic success. Looking at the overall context of where people come from is what schools should be doing, and that doesn't include making assumptions about individuals based on their random membership in a particular racial/socioeconomic class, assumptions that are the basis of any form of AA. The problem is with the inner city schools is the problem with blacks. Blacks going to good schools in suburban neighborhoods still do poorly acdemically and poor Asian immigrants going to inner city schools still manage to get a good education. On some tests, black students from middle class or wealthier families have done no better than white students who live in poverty. And some especially puzzling data have suggested that at higher achievement levels, the gap between black and white performance is wider than at lower levels. For all the hoopla over the superiority of Asian education system, Asian Americans score as high and as far ahead compared to their classmates as their counterparts abroad, and the American born score nearly as high in math SAT as their immigrant counterparts. The real myth is that Asian superiority is because many go to nice suburbs, and have high incomes. But even poor Asians who go to some of the worst large urban school districts in the US get fairly decent if not stellar test scores. The factors that contribute to the success of Asian students are hard work, high personal standards, anxiety about doing poorly, and the belief that success and failure are closely linked to the amount of effort one exerts. These are keys to academic success in all groups of students. The superior performance of Asian students in American schools is not mysterious but explainable on the basis of their attitudes, values and behaviors. TT
Link Posted: 6/22/2003 7:06:10 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Red_Beard: no, i posted as anti-gov-tinfoil-man until that account got locked on account of my making a joke about federal police and pine boxes i was allowed to open up another account, which i cleverly named "agtm" on a whim one night i changed the username to a bunch of numbers, [red]then found out that the "change username" button disappeared after one use[/red] after i bitched in a post about getting tired of using a list of numbers as a login a helpful staff member changed it to this for me i chose this because i have a red beard while the rest of my hair is not red. too bad i didn't remember ragnar red beard nazi troll
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This of course, was due to a conspiracy between Imbroglio, and Ed SR...... [:D]
Link Posted: 6/22/2003 7:25:45 PM EDT
The [s]superior[/s] performance of [s]Asian[/s] [i]Black[/i] students in American schools is not mysterious, but explainable on the basis of their attitudes, values and behaviors.
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Still applies. Oh, and BTW, your all a bunch of racists!!! [nana]
Link Posted: 6/22/2003 7:43:16 PM EDT
FYI: I already apologize annually for being a productive member of society. The IRS demands it of me. cynic
Link Posted: 6/23/2003 2:35:20 AM EDT
The two components of intelligence are heredity and environment. In studies done on twins who were separated at birth it was found that their IQ's were nearly identical. In other words the only variable here, the environment, was found NOT to have any significant impact. So much for "immigration papperns", and ghetto neiborhoods. This leaves HEREDITY as the sole determining factor BY FAR. So go piss in your corn flakes. The facts are there, plain and simple, and you CAN'T rewrite them! All the screaming and yelling about "flawed studies" does not hold up!
Link Posted: 6/23/2003 3:44:03 AM EDT
Having a high IQ and being able to use it are two different things. Put a kid with an IQ of 160 in a closet 23 hours a day until he's 18 and put his twin in a private school until 18, then give them both an SAT. They score equally well?? TS
Link Posted: 6/23/2003 3:47:16 AM EDT
Speaking of twins, every time I look in the mirror there's a guy that looks just like me! He's not just white, he's REALLY white! Problem is, when I leave he stays there...and he's still there when I get back. I don't think he's too smart. [:D]
Link Posted: 6/23/2003 3:55:05 AM EDT
...yet more un-courses that grow like mold on the wreckage of American education.
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That's a nice turn of a phrase.
Link Posted: 6/23/2003 5:33:39 AM EDT
Punishing, ridiculing, and belittling achievement. There's an example of the underachievers "levelling" the field. I don't have much, but everything I have I've earned. Nobody ever cut me a break or gave me a pass due to my appearance. There was no United Caucasian College Fund (and if there was it would be banned for being discriminatory and racist). And, I have been turned down for loans. I've accepted it and moved on. I never claimed I was being picked on.
Link Posted: 6/23/2003 5:52:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Brohawk: Punishing, ridiculing, and belittling achievement. There's an example of the underachievers "levelling" the field. I don't have much, but everything I have I've earned. Nobody ever cut me a break or gave me a pass due to my appearance. There was no United Caucasian College Fund (and if there was it would be banned for being discriminatory and racist). And, I have been turned down for loans. I've accepted it and moved on. I never claimed I was being picked on.
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Preach it, Bro.
Link Posted: 6/23/2003 8:19:17 AM EDT
Originally Posted By The_Macallan: The underlying principle of affirmative action is racist, sexist and the epitome of a collectivist view of individuals. Affirmative action is an insult to ALL racial groups - minorities AND whites.
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Too bad one more Justice on SCOTUS didn't understand that. Senate Majority Leader Frist needs to take a hardline against the "rats" on the filibuster issue.
Link Posted: 6/23/2003 9:59:55 AM EDT
Who would you rather performing a brain operation on a family member? Someone who made it to and through med school on his own achievements & abilities, or someone who is the product of an affirmative action program which displaced better qualified individuals?
Link Posted: 6/23/2003 10:05:05 AM EDT
I was in an AF unit that had a product of AA as an executive officer. This guy was a 1Lt with an art degree. During commander's calls he'd have to read the citations accompanying awards & decs. It was pitiful. He was almost illiterate. My daughter read better than him when she was in third grade. I was dating an E-3 in the orderly room who had to proofread and correct all his correspondence. Did the system reall "help" him, or did it eventually burden him with responsibilities that outweighed his abilities? Talk about killing them with kindness.
Link Posted: 6/23/2003 10:40:07 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Brohawk: I was in an AF unit that had a product of AA as an executive officer. This guy was a 1Lt with an art degree. During commander's calls he'd have to read the citations accompanying awards & decs. It was pitiful. He was almost illiterate. My daughter read better than him when she was in third grade. I was dating an E-3 in the orderly room who had to proofread and correct all his correspondence. Did the system reall "help" him, or did it eventually burden him with responsibilities that outweighed his abilities? Talk about killing them with kindness.
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Is that YOUR post under "axis atrosities"?
Link Posted: 6/23/2003 11:01:18 AM EDT
"That?" I di dmake a post that adressed my personal experiences and opinions regarding integration of the military, and how these experiences shaped my views. I went back and rechecked what I wrote and am missing the connection to this thread. My comment here was a personal observation of a guy who was the product of affirmative action. maybe it's just that time of day or I need another cup of coffee. Could you clarify your point so I can answer your question properly?
Link Posted: 6/23/2003 1:02:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By stemcell: Who would you rather performing a brain operation on a family member? Someone who made it to and through med school on his own achievements & abilities, or someone who is the product of an affirmative action program which displaced better qualified individuals?
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Question: What do you call someone who finished last in medical school? Answer: Doctor. Puts AA in a new light, doesn't it.
Link Posted: 6/23/2003 1:11:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By stemcell: Who would you rather performing a brain operation on a family member? Someone who made it to and through med school on his own achievements & abilities, or someone who is the product of an affirmative action program which displaced better qualified individuals?
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All physicians "make it" through medical school on their own achievements and abilities. Affirmative action has nothing to do with one's achievements once in the door of any medical school, AA simply gets you in the door easier than the caucasian with the same MCAT and gpa. TT [wave]
Link Posted: 6/23/2003 2:37:07 PM EDT
Posted by Adam_White: I have found myself supporting affirmative action, etc. for the first time in my life based primarily on the racism I have discovered on the internet.
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D.U. troll???
Link Posted: 6/23/2003 2:42:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DonS: Question: What do you call someone who finished last in medical school? Answer: Doctor.
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Question: What do you call someone who FLUNKED medical school? Answer: Dentist. [rofl2]
Link Posted: 6/23/2003 3:57:46 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Only_Hits_Count:
Posted by Adam_White: I have found myself supporting affirmative action, etc. for the first time in my life based primarily on the racism I have discovered on the internet.
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D.U. troll???
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Yeah - thats it. If I don't portray myself as a knee-jerk "whitey is getting wronged" or "why can't everyone just speak english" reactionary, I'm a "DU troll." FWIW, I've been on this board a hell of a lot longer than you, and have no qualms about posting my real name and even a picture in my profile. Not exactly troll activities. I also own 4 complete ARs, and have an extra upper receiver kinda laying around. I am no fan of race-based ANYTHING. Still, the one argument for AA that Macallan did not mention in his otherwise excellent post is thus: due to inherent racism in our society, AA is the only way to level the playing field. I used to think this was bunk - but then I read several posts at full-auto and have seen similar, albeit better veiled, sentiments on this board. I will admit though, that AA only gives the racists another reason to hate. Sadly, like the Muslim terrorists, take away their major point of contention, and the hate remains - they will find a new "reason" that suits them, though. I don't know what the answer is - but I do know whining on the internet isn't going to solve anything.
Link Posted: 6/23/2003 4:52:45 PM EDT
Adam_White, I've seen quite a few racist remarks made on this board. I don't think I've seen any on this thread. I don't care who performs life saving surgery on my wife and son. I only care that the surgeon is highly qualified to perform the task at hand. I don't care who builds or repairs my house, vehicles, or my kazoo. I only care that they are highly qualified for the task at hand. I don't care who runs for President or for Dog Catcher. I'm voting for the most qualified candidate. When I was on active duty, I didn't care who I reported to. My only concern was that they could carry out the duties and responsibilities of the office to which they were appointed. Like wise, MOS profeciency, physical fitness, adherance to rules and regulations, and their general well being, were my only concerns with the Marines and Sailors whom I was charged with leading on a day to day basis. In my current work position, I only care that my co-workers, supervisor, and upper management maintain a high standard of ethical behavior, are highly qualified to fill their positions, and make the proper decisions to ensure we all contiue to collect a paycheck every two weeks. My sole means of judging anyone is by the content of their character. I don't care about skin color, sex, religion, economic or social standing, or country of origin. I do care about personal performance. Affirmative Action is all about holding one person down while elevating another. Affirmative Action is racism / sexism defined. Affirmative Action is un-American.
Link Posted: 6/23/2003 5:25:14 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Adam_White: ..I've been on this board a hell of a lot longer than you, and have no qualms about posting my real name and even a picture in my profile.... I also own 4 complete ARs, and have an extra upper receiver kinda laying around.
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You forgot to add " na na nana na"!!! [rofl2] TT
Link Posted: 6/23/2003 6:09:32 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DPeacher: Adam_White, I've seen quite a few racist remarks made on this board. I don't think I've seen any on this thread.
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I didn't meant to suggest that I'd seen any in this thread either. I was simply pointing out how the racism I HAVE seen has opened my eyes a bit to one potential need for affirmative action. In my gut, though, I do agree that affirmation action is, as you say, un-American. I merely stated how I have begun to support some of the policies as I have been plainly exposed the blatant racist views some people have to struggle against. I believe that there are just as large a percentage of racist blacks and other minority groups. The racist whites, though, don't balance it out - they merely aggravate the situation.
Link Posted: 6/23/2003 6:39:08 PM EDT
Adam, I agree that there racists of every creed and color. I don't see how a white racist aggravates the situation any more (or less), then a black racist does. That's like saying a dumptruck going 100 mph in reverse has less potential to cause damage then one going the same speed forward. Two students with the same SAT scores should have the same considerations given when they apply for a college seat. Period. Why should one be given any preference over another? I could accept a preference based on financial reasons for [red]gifted[/red] students who grow up impoverished. But preferences based upon race and gender are despicable. AA = State sponsored racisism. Jessie Jackson and David Duke make a living on AA. The only "Man" holding us down is the "Man" in the mirror. If we encouraged self motivation instead of self pity and gratuitous entitlement, we would be much better off as a society.
Link Posted: 6/23/2003 6:45:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DPeacher: I could accept a preference based on financial reasons for [red]gifted[/red] students who grow up impoverished.
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Assistance is already available to students who excel academically and are financially impoverished. TT [wave]
Link Posted: 6/23/2003 6:53:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By TitaniumT: All physicians "make it" through medical school on their own achievements and abilities. Affirmative action has nothing to do with one's achievements once in the door of any medical school, AA simply gets you in the door easier than the caucasian with the same MCAT and gpa. TT
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The fact that someone is able to "make it" through med school says little when standards are "adjusted" to ensure that the proper level of racial diversity is maintained among the student body. You can't have it both ways. Either the color of little Johnny's skin plays a role in his education or it doesn't. Splitting hairs by saying it counts for admission but not for graduation only makes it easier to ignore the fact that racism in it's most blatant and virulent form is alive and well, and warmly embraced, on America's campuses.
Link Posted: 6/24/2003 2:48:12 AM EDT
The only "Man" holding us down is the "Man" in the mirror. If we encouraged self motivation instead of self pity and gratuitous entitlement, we would be much better off as a society.
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May I add a hearty "Amen." My character and work ethic earn the fruit in my life. I stand on my own and ask no man for undue favor. There are people who don't like me (that may be hard to believe [;)]), but I don't waste time dwelling on them. I have a life to live. Not everything is going to go my way, but that's.........life.
Link Posted: 6/24/2003 4:57:57 AM EDT
Originally Posted By TitaniumT:
Originally Posted By stemcell: Who would you rather performing a brain operation on a family member? Someone who made it to and through med school on his own achievements & abilities, or someone who is the product of an affirmative action program which displaced better qualified individuals?
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All physicians "make it" through medical school on their own achievements and abilities. Not all physicians are greated equal. Have you forgotten that the court dockets are full of those being sued for malpractice? Affirmative action has nothing to do with one's achievements once in the door of any medical school, AA simply gets you in the door easier than the caucasian with the same MCAT and gpa. TT [wave]
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Link Posted: 6/24/2003 5:29:09 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Delta_3_63:
Originally Posted By TitaniumT: All physicians "make it" through medical school on their own achievements and abilities. Affirmative action has nothing to do with one's achievements once in the door of any medical school, AA simply gets you in the door easier than the caucasian with the same MCAT and gpa. TT
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The fact that someone is able to "make it" through med school says little when standards are "adjusted" to ensure that the proper level of racial diversity is maintained among the student body.
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To the best of my knowledge and certainly at the medical school I attended standards were not adjusted for racial diversity during the 4 years of medical school. That does not mean URMs entrance was not assisted by AA. It means that once in, you succeeded on your own. If you have stats on other medical schools that adjust their standards during medical school for URMs, then I would be interested in seeing. I can't see this happening since everyone takes the same boards and scores are important in residency matches.
You can't have it both ways. Either the color of little Johnny's skin plays a role in his education or it doesn't.
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It plays a role in a URMs admission to medical school and which school he will go to, but not the actual education he receives at medical school.
Splitting hairs by saying it counts for admission but not for graduation only makes it easier to ignore the fact that racism in it's most blatant and virulent form is alive and well, and warmly embraced, on America's campuses.
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I am hardly splitting hairs. I am pointing out what is known to me based on personal experience. If you read my others posts you would know I don't support AA. TT [coffee]
Link Posted: 6/24/2003 5:44:38 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Only_Hits_Count:
Posted by Adam_White: I have found myself supporting affirmative action, etc. for the first time in my life based primarily on the racism I have discovered on the internet.
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D.U. troll???
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No, he stumbled upon three 14 year olds in a chat room talking about resurrecting the Fourth Reich.. [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 6/24/2003 5:45:47 AM EDT
I believe there are two ways to look at Affirmative Action: 1. Get pissed. 2. Take some solace in the fact that AA is based on race, as the only thing worse than AA are the "leaders" in this country that try to teach our children that there is no such thing as race.
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