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Posted: 6/6/2001 1:20:09 AM EDT
I've been saving up for a back up,however I want a full size .45!I owned two 220s a few years ago, lost them due to divorce.Those pistols shot great,I have not shot a pistol as accurate as those two.I don't have any experience with HK pistols,I know the USP will be reliable.My question is,are the USPs accurate as the SIGs?I like the grip of the SIG better,but I like the feel of the USP too. I'm just wanting some feed back because I will be ordering pretty soon.THANKS.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 1:37:08 AM EDT
I had a Sig 220 (sold it and regret it now) and my friend had a HK USP Compact. The HK compact was a little smaller and lighter than the Sig 220 and accuracy was nearly identical for me, both were great. Ammo was S&B or Fiochi, I do not remember for sure. I have no experience shooting the HK USP 45, sorry. But if it shoots as good as the HK Compact you are going to have a tough decision ahead of you.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 2:43:37 AM EDT
Get the Sig, I have one and I love it.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 3:02:22 AM EDT
Another vote for the Sig 220. I've never shot an HK but I love my Sig.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 3:25:06 AM EDT
I have to say I don't particularly like the ergonomics on the H&K. I have shot one once and can't say I was overwhelmed. It was a good gun but i'll stick with the P220.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 6:08:09 AM EDT
Screw the Sig. Get the USP. I have NEVER heard anything bad about the H&K. You will not be disappointed. Plus I have one so I'm a little biased.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 6:37:56 AM EDT
Get the HK. I have a full size .45 and a compact in .40SW. Love them both. Though I did add a Hogue slip-on to improve the ergonomics of both. HK rocks!!
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 6:46:08 AM EDT
I've owned both. I've kept the Sig. Sold the HK. The HK is as reliable and as accurate as the Sig. I just didn't like the larger grip of the HK. The .40 and 9mm USPs (which I have also owned) fit my hand fine, but the larger .45 was just a tad too big. Ross
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 6:50:52 AM EDT
Well I hate to put in another vote for the Sig, but I LOVE mine, it feels/shoots great. Nuckles.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 6:52:23 AM EDT
I would take the Sig 220 (I got one) over the base model HK USP. But I would rather have a HK USP Expert (I have one of these too) than the Sig. The Expert model has better accuracy and a better trigger than the Sig or base USP model. My favorite .45 though is my Springfield TRP 1911 for carry/defense and a (further accurized) Les Baer Premier II for target/bullseye shooting. The HK USP Expert is almost on par with the Les Baer in the accuracy department.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 6:56:15 AM EDT
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The SIG 220 & The HK USP are both equals. It's simply a matter of how each fits your hand and needs. There is no winner between the two, they're both as good as a .45 gets.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 6:59:53 AM EDT
I don't think you could go wrong with either one. I have not shot the Sig, but I do have a USP 40 that I love. I would go with the one that felt the best to me....I don't think you will be let down.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 7:05:27 AM EDT
I have the USP45. It is a great pistol. However, I agree with earlier statement on the Hogue slip ons. They greatly improve the ergonomics.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 7:20:27 AM EDT
If you get the sig, make sure you get the night sights too. I have one and It is a very good pistol and those sites are nice and bright, even after a few days of sitting in a dark closet!
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 7:27:34 AM EDT
Originally Posted By kingfish: If you get the sig, make sure you get the night sights too. I have one and It is a very good pistol and those sites are nice and bright, even after a few days of sitting in a dark closet!
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What are you talking about? (Tritium) Night sights should stay nice and bright after years in a dark closet, are your night sights just glow in the dark paint or what?
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 7:29:05 AM EDT
My cousins girlfriend wanted a .45 so she saved up a lot of $$$ and bought a Sig220 w/K cote and night sights. She got it because everything she read said Sig was the best. After firing it the first day, I was glad I didn't buy it. It was a good gun,but it just wasn't what I thought it would be. Maybe I'm spoiled because I really like both my Glock30 and HK USP.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 7:34:56 AM EDT
One thing I prefer more on the USP's is their flexibility in carry methods. You can carry cocked-and-locked, safety on/hammer down, or safety off/hammer down (SIG style). The safety lever is a three-position lever: safe/fire/decock. Most flexibility i've seen in a pistol... I love my USP .40
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 7:49:35 AM EDT
I've had the USP full size 45 and a couple 220s in 45 and I greatly preferred the 220s for ergonomics and accuracy.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 7:56:02 AM EDT
Another vote for the Sig. I have had mine for 10yrs and no problems, Have a USP and a G-21 would part with the Sig last.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 7:59:17 AM EDT
The question you should be asking yourself if whether you like alloy or plastic/polymer? As for me, being a traditionalist, I vote for alloy and go for the Sig.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 8:04:40 AM EDT
In reference to SIG versus HK., they are both top of the line pistols. IMHO what it really comes down to is what is the primary reason for purchasing the weapon. If you are going to carry concealed the SIG is more concealable. If you prefer the HK you might look at the compact model. After shooting both I'll stay with the SIG. The multitude of carry options are a plus, however if you carry cocked and locked why not stay with a Colt.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 9:49:59 AM EDT
I've had my 220 since '84 when they were imported by Interarms. It's the old Euro mag release type. One of the best guns I've ever had, reliable, accurate and easy takedown. However, it is not as easy to shoot accurately as my Kimber. They shoot similar groups from the bags, but 1911 is easier to shoot offhand. I would not hesitate to buy another, they're a great gun. Bushman556
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 10:19:20 AM EDT
Go for the USP .45F!! The sig didn't fit my hand at all but the full size USP is perfect. idaho-ar15
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 10:24:45 AM EDT
I have both, and the only thing I don't like about the Sig is the first double action trigger pull. With the USP I can carry it cocked and locked like my 1911, however that's just a personal preference. Both guns shoot awesome and I like them both.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 10:46:47 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 10:48:50 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 12:05:49 PM EDT
Thanks for your input, I guess I'm going to have to flip a coin or something!!I don't know anyone who has a USP, so I can't get any real hands experience with the pistol.I think I will more than likely order the USP,once again thanks for your input.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 12:17:08 PM EDT
I guess the one thing I am not too keen on about the USP is that on the decock version you can't lock your strong side thumb down on the safety without engaging the decock. I like the USP because you take it out of the box and use it under any conditions. Plus it's supposed to have good corrosion resistance, which I have yet to test. I haven't heard much bad about the SIG 220, so I guess you won't go wrong. If I had to have only one autoloading centerfire, I would still go with a Browning HiPower. It feels right, and moves positively. One of these days, I'll get the Hi power NP3'd and settle the corrosion and lube issue. Good luck, you've chosen a couple of winners.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 12:34:06 PM EDT
I have a Sig and shot a USP but both in 9mm. Today I would probably buy the USP. It’s a lot cheaper due to the plastic frame and has a comparable quality, reliability and accuracy. And the USP in .45 takes 10/12rds, the Sig P220 “only” 7 !
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 2:46:51 PM EDT
P220 because I have one and I'm always right!
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 5:51:34 PM EDT
Both are great pistols. In my (limited) experience, the HK has a more durable finish and the recoil reduction mechanism makes it more pleasant to shoot.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 6:44:39 PM EDT
Check out the Autoloaders magazine. The article were they fired 10,000rnds through a Sig 220. with great results I got the Sig 220 and love it.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 7:15:34 PM EDT
You made the right choice if you order the USP. I have fired Both. I also own a Sig 226 and USP, both in 9mm not 45's like you are looking into. I must say, as comfortable and ergonomic as the sig is, I still prefer and shoot better with my HKs.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 8:28:16 PM EDT
I own a Sig P245 and a H&K USP 9mm. MY friend has a H&K USP45 so I've shot one of those also. Here's the deal. The H&K was my first handgun I owned. I bought it before a case of beer on my 21st B-day. I can't hit shit with the H&K. I dont' know what it is. Then I got the Sig P245 and I can put round after round on top of each other with that gun. I'm not saying that the gun can't shoot. I'm just saying that it's not right for me for some reason.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 9:25:38 PM EDT
My vote is for the USP Rick
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 9:31:02 PM EDT
Do what I did...buy both. I've since traded the USP45 for a USP40, but I loved that pistol. It was very accurate (definatley capable of more than I am) and I never had one jam in over two years. The recoil is also amazingly tame for a 45. The Sig? See the above posts. Tough choice. CS
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 9:35:38 PM EDT
I forgot...Can you rent an HK at your local range? I always try before I buy. That way I can see if it ergonomically works for me. I had a 1991A1 that was tuned and tightened up quite a bit and I couldn't hit crap with it. The HK has the same grip angle, but it works for me. Strange. 'luck
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 9:37:05 PM EDT
H$K compact is nice, full size .45 USP is just too bulky, .40 is nice. Sig's are wonderful guns. Get what fits your hand better and feels more comfortable control wise. Sig's mags are usually also cheaper.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 9:55:31 PM EDT
get what YOU want, and what works for YOU try out both if ya can i got the sig and like it, didnt like the grip feel or the sites of the HK, but HKs are good guns and the hi cap mag thing is a plus cant go wrong with either
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 10:02:49 PM EDT
The latest Shotgun News has on article about the Ohio State Highway Patrol's quest for a new issue sidearm. The article says the OSHP did one of the most stringent testing and evalutions of pistols ever. The Sigs blew all the competition away. The sigs really kicked the HK's ass'es bad.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 10:19:36 PM EDT
I would go with the SIG 220. Since you are familiar with the pistol and you had two of them. You can not go wrong. The UPS 45 is a great gun. The only problem I have with it that nobody here would not stock up on any extra mags or accessories. So, getting some stuff for it is a minor inconvenience.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 10:58:48 PM EDT
I like the Sig.Safe and accurate out of the box.But I really prefer 1911's.[;)]
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 11:06:46 PM EDT
I have a Sig P220. From what I've seen of the HK's I would take the Sig. I would also consider a 1911.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 11:21:28 PM EDT
Step into the twenty first century get a Walther P99 can't beat it. Vary accurate you can also adjust the grip to fit your hand and front sight to fit the way you shoot.
Link Posted: 6/6/2001 11:33:40 PM EDT
Get rid of that City Boy sissy gun and get yourself a 1911. Then you can tweek and customize any way you want it. 1911, anything else is just a copy.
Link Posted: 6/7/2001 9:52:11 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/7/2001 3:15:10 PM EDT
HK USP .45 has to be one of the best pistols ever made. Get it and you won't be sorry.
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