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Posted: 3/31/2001 2:22:19 PM EDT
M1A better gas system,more reliable when dirty,better caliber.Flame away
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Posted: 3/31/2001 2:35:58 PM EDT
In my opinion, it is kind of like asking which is better, a Ford truck, or a Chevy truck. They both accomplish basically the same thing but one has advantages over the other and vice versa.
I prefer the M1A. Just a preference. If cost is a factor, the AR is the way to go. Mags are cheap, ammo is cheap, parts are cheap. I like the action on the M1A better, but that is just me. The M1 is easier to clean in my opinion too. The AR has great ergonomics. The best answer, is that you need to fondle the two seriously. See which one fits you the best. The AR is likely to be the first off the politically allowable list, if things keep going as they are. So you may want that one first. If I were in your shoes, I think the AR first is the most economically sensible choice. Now that that has been said, I bought the M1a first. Confused yet??? There is no good answer, get what you want first! Note: I bought 5 usgi mags from tapco for about $60 bucks. The last two usgi M1A mags set me back $40 a piece! Good luck, you'll lover either[sniper] |
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Posted: 3/31/2001 2:36:52 PM EDT
im not sure but i think the tag "loaded" refers to a cupon for free accesories you get with the rilfe from springfeild armory. maybe were talking about diffrent things.
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Posted: 3/31/2001 3:05:52 PM EDT
Matt S,
Don't want to start a pissing contest, but I'm curious about your " easier to clean" statement regarding the M1A. How so? |
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Posted: 3/31/2001 3:10:29 PM EDT
How about an FAL or an AK?
Matt has it right, sort of like buying a car, truck or motorcycle. Most military firearms have a following and suit the needs of their owners very well. I don't have an AK/SKS yet but give me time [:)] If I'm going to sit and defend a place and don't have to carry 300 rounds around I'll take an M1A. If I'm going urban having to hit the road and get some I'll take an M-4 carbine. |
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Posted: 3/31/2001 3:18:31 PM EDT
Quoted: Which is better...AR-15 or M1A1 My vote goes for the M1A1[:D] [img]http://home.earthlink.net/~thegardenweasel/_uimages/usmctank.gif[/img] |
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Posted: 3/31/2001 3:30:49 PM EDT
being a political prisoner of the prk and gray "mr energy rapist" davis - i do not have the luxury of your choice.
the m1a naturally seems to work very well but is long and cumbersome. - if it were me i'd look to the ar10b - that is some cool a$$ retro $hit! -buy the one that makes you the happiest. steve |
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Posted: 3/31/2001 3:32:14 PM EDT
For the defense of the Constitution and Bill of Rights, BUY BOTH. Time is running short.
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Posted: 3/31/2001 3:43:32 PM EDT
Here's why I like my M1A better:
1) It fits better. With the flip-up shoulder thingy on the M14 stock and it's tendency to not shift point of aim when using the sling, I can snuggle right into this rifle and shoot standing up for longer periods of time--more accurately. 2) Bigger round. Sorry...nothing scientific here. I just like shooting the .308 over the .223. It's just more of an experience I guess. 3) Bastardized less. Still has a real flash hider, not having been sacrificed to the "evil features" limit instituted by the morons who run this country. I can live without a bayonet lug, but if something's going on the end of that barrel, it ought to do more than piss off the people shooting next to me. 4) Cleaner operation. No gunky black crap fouling up the action (like on my AR, though I may be guilty of over-lubricating). My M1A has been 99.9% reliable. My AR has been probably 95% reliable. But these are just my opinions from range shooting. In a real-world defense scenario, I'd probably leave the M1A in the safe and go with the lighter, more commonly used AR. |
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Posted: 3/31/2001 4:23:48 PM EDT
A couple of years ago I purchased an M1A "loaded"
It came with a National Match middle weight barrel, a NM front sight (.062 wide), competition grade trigger (two stage), "reamed" flash suppressor (better clearance). I was given the choice of fiberglass or walnut stock and between stainless or carbon steel barrel. I ordered the ss with walnut. Fiberglass stocks from Springfield are not the greatest (refurbished/painted GI) In addtion it came with several coupons. Only lacking for NM grade would be a unitized gas cylinder, glass bedded stock, NM rear sight.. When purchased the rifle performed better than I did. After "minor tricks" it shoots better than I will ever shoot! NM AR15 vs M1A? If your objective is competition (Service Rifle) the AR15 is easier to shoot (more forgiving). The AR is a "modular" system with a plephora of combinations. By the way a NM (DCM/CMP) AR15 weights as much as a loaded M1A! Regards ACK |
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Posted: 3/31/2001 5:22:08 PM EDT
The AR is the better mechanism from a reliability and accuracy standpoint. Very few M1As and M-14s are being shot in the National Matches any more because you just can't compete with them.
Reliability of the AR has been proven better than the M-14 many times. That gas mechanism on the 14 is definitely part of its problem. And the AR doesn't need near the babying to keep it working. It always drove me crazy to wonder if my bedding was breaking loose in the M1A. The loaded promotion just gets you some of what you've already got with a decent AR. The 14 and M1A are nice rifles (I have several M1As) but they don't touch the AR. If the caliber is important to you you can always get an AR-10 and have the best of both worlds. |
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Posted: 3/31/2001 6:02:39 PM EDT
how about this.....
their both great rifles and we could debate them all day, but the M1A is gonna be around for a while, being it is relitivly "evil feature" free. the AR is not so. i would get the AR first and then the M1A. |
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Posted: 3/31/2001 6:15:10 PM EDT
I'm like some of the others. Get the AR first
and then get the other. |
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Posted: 3/31/2001 7:00:09 PM EDT
If I could have only one I would buy the M1A. Of course I own 2.5 AR15's and no M1A. I agree that the AR15 will be harder to get in the more immediate future. I'd suggest buying the AR and looking for good prices on M1A magazines and buy a couple every month or so until you have an ample supply then purchase the rifle. This way you get both! Now I should start looking into those USGI M14 mags myself. Already have about 35 AR15 mags. You may also consider the old M1 Garand. No detatchable mags but one helluva compliment to the gun cabinet.
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Posted: 3/31/2001 7:09:50 PM EDT
I would take the M1A, I have two and one Bushy. I like the .308 round, maybe I will get an Armalite next.
[smoke] Then agan the Armalite might be a good compromise and the Mini-14 might be a bad compromise. |
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Posted: 3/31/2001 7:20:21 PM EDT
Get both, the ar for fast moving response, and the 308 if you want to reach out and touch someone. With the way McCain is talking, and the hype in the future for bi-ch Klinton prepare now.
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Posted: 3/31/2001 7:46:20 PM EDT
M1A first then AR15. Take care of SHTF needs first then recreation after that. Nomex suit on. [:I]
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Posted: 3/31/2001 11:27:13 PM EDT
AR-15 all the way. They don't shoot themselves apart like M14s. Plus they are extremely versatile. With 1 lower, you can have an upper for every occasion: match rifle, service rifle, IPSC, SOF, CAR, .22 conversion. And of course .223 is far cheaper to shoot.
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Posted: 4/27/2001 6:15:01 PM EDT
Get the M1A. All AR's Suck!! [-!-!-]
Just joking.[:)] But if I could only choose one, it would be the M1A. |
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Posted: 4/27/2001 6:21:05 PM EDT
Quoted: Matt S, Don't want to start a pissing contest, but I'm curious about your " easier to clean" statement regarding the M1A. How so? Simple - all that's really required on an M1A is to lock the bolt back, swab the bore, and scrub the bolt face and receiver with a toothbrush. Many service rifle shooters don't do any more cleaning than this throughout the season, to save their bedding job from wear. |
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Posted: 4/27/2001 6:56:18 PM EDT
From purely practical and tactical standpoints, I think you should get squared away with an AR15 first. This would include a sufficient number of magazines, spare parts, and ammuntion stockpiled as well. If you are ever called to use your firearm under trying circumstances, ammunition, parts, accessories, and most importantly, magazines, will be far more available for an AR than an M1A.
I'm beginning to contemplate getting a semi-suto .308 myself. My primary consideration are the M1A, FAL, and AR10. While I like the M1A and appreciate/respect it's historical significance to our nation, I think I will eventually go with a FAL. FALs are reliable, relatively inexpensive, and the magazines are still VERY affordable. I just can't see myself building up a collection of 40-50 M14 or AR10 mags at todays prices, whereas the FAL mags are literally a mere fraction of the price and it would be quite easy to build a significant collection of them. |
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Posted: 4/27/2001 7:01:16 PM EDT
I own 4 M1A's but only 2 AR15's
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Posted: 4/27/2001 7:06:34 PM EDT
AR-15 for shtf. If you're squared away for shtf, buy the MIA
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Posted: 4/27/2001 7:18:41 PM EDT
Trained with M-14 so I'm partial. To me the bolt is where it belongs, same with the safety. If you pick the M1-A, I would get the wood stock, fiberglass ones are cheap, can find one later. Buy mags for both, just in case. AR mags are cheaper. Prices on M1-A goodies are way up there! Price a bi-pod or E-2 stock or even a good brookfield scope mount, add a few mags and there is your new AR? eenie meenie minee mo
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Posted: 4/27/2001 8:01:30 PM EDT
If we are talk SHTF I much prefer the M1A, the .308 is more versatile and better against "stuff". However, if your rifle skills are limited or you don't have time to train to take advantage of its longer range, go with the AR.
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Posted: 4/27/2001 10:33:18 PM EDT
They both have their advantages and disadvantages. .223 bullets are cheaper than .308. The AR mags are still cheaper than USGI M14 mags. And the AR is more accurate weapon system, and is modular. However...the M1A is more durable and reliable. Its main failing is that the Bedding on Match rifles gets destroyed after several thousand rounds and then accuracy starts to go.
The M1A comes up to my shoulder naturally and gives me faster target acquisition than I get with my AR's (I'm a big guy..smaller guys tend to like AR's more...then there is the M1A "Scout" rifle to consider...) As to which to get ? Get both! I own AR's, FALs, M1As, AK's..all kinds of stuff. I think that the FAL is easier to clean AND more reliable than the M1A..however I like how the M1A feels... I like the M1A more than my other rifles... M1 Garands are also nice. |
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Posted: 4/27/2001 10:48:17 PM EDT
If I were you Id get the Ar-10(t) or a2. It the best of both worlds for me.
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Posted: 4/28/2001 12:02:14 AM EDT
M1A, just clean the bore, chamber, and wipe the bolt face. Once in a while I clean the inside of the receiver and regrease (not oil). Twice a year I clean the gas system. Very low maintenance. AR, PITA, but I still love 'em.
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Posted: 4/28/2001 1:27:56 AM EDT
Uh....Did you happen to notice where your posting?
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Posted: 4/28/2001 1:55:39 AM EDT
There was a thread a week or so ago about some M1A's / M14'a having a rewelded receiver though it was very hard to tell sometimes.
Anyone able to post that link? [red][size=4] P.R.K. |
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Posted: 4/28/2001 2:47:58 AM EDT
Two totally different rifles. A full National Match M1A will push 2000.00 For that kind of money you can get one Pre ban and one Post ban AR.
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Posted: 4/28/2001 4:38:15 AM EDT
I have mixed feelings on the topic myself. I love both. I have both.
I shoot better with M1A. I think it is the 308 cause where I shoot it is always windy. I could have a nice day when I leave my house but when I get to the range it is like a tornado. I am in the sand pits so the wind bounces off the hills. I like the feel of the AR better. I like the pistol grip. I also like the design of the AR better. You can swap uppers. You can buy a complete lower and shop for an upper at your convience. Basicly splitting up the cost of buying a new gun. I like that the 223 round is cheap to shoot. But I like the weight of the 308 better. You can go out to longer distances and hold a better group. The ugly gun theory is right on. Get the AR or at least the Lower first!! I have 1 complete rifle and 2 lowers. Cost is another thing. M1A is an expensive proposition. AR's are more friendly in the finance area. Both shoot great and love them both. I think I might one day go with an Armalite 308 AR 10. |
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Posted: 4/28/2001 5:27:52 AM EDT
I prefer the M1A by far. That being said. I would more than likely keep the AR around too.
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Posted: 4/28/2001 6:00:27 AM EDT
You have to get both. Collect all military weapons. Dont forget the garand. That is one heck of a gun, even if it does go "clang" every 8 shots.
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Posted: 4/28/2001 6:04:25 AM EDT
Get both ! ! ! !!
the AR is handy but the M14 feels like a real rifle. Walnut and steel. The 7.62NATO is a real powerhouse compared to the 5.56mousegun. [img]http://wsphotofews.excite.com/004/GV/pz/e4/zi93992.jpg[/img] [img]http://wsphotofews.excite.com/017/he/y4/1P/hH11186.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 4/28/2001 7:07:30 AM EDT
I wondered the same thing a few yrs back, still don't have an answer....except that the M1A and AR's are tools for differant senerio's...I now have a larger tool safe with 3 M1A'S pre-ban and 2 AR-15 and 3 M4'S ....ABOUT 20 MAGS per rifle
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Posted: 4/28/2001 7:41:43 AM EDT
ill take the ar anyday,just my preference.i have a mak 90 great gun but i prefere the ar,i also have a ruger mini 14 great gun also but i still like the ar.i would like to have a 308 like a fal or m1 but i stll will take the ar over any rifle going.i really like the 223 round.and come on the ar 15 /m-16 is just too cool looking.i grew up watching vietnam war news every night at the dinner table.i just think the ar 15/m-16 is the best thing gioing.yes if i were in the jungle fighting for my life the mak-90/ak-47 has its advantages,it just works.but since im an easy chair comando and i can clean my ar regularly thats what i choose to have
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Posted: 4/28/2001 8:29:14 AM EDT
Depends on what you are going to do with it, or what you expect it to do,
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Posted: 4/28/2001 12:23:08 PM EDT
ok, for you guys who "brag" about the AR taking over service rifle compitition, heres a little wake up call, ANYONE can shoot better with a mouse gun. look at bullseye pistol, .22lr is easier to master then .45, does that make the .22 better? for a first rifle, get an AR. its cheaper, cheaper mags, cheaper ammo, its a great rifle. as for a battle rifle, ill take the M1A because it will get to the guy "hiding" behind the truck, house, tree or 600 yards away. I took that advice from a friend at work, his platoon was overrun in VietNam, he was the only surviver. he has lived throught the shit and survived. he would grab the "14" before the he would grab the "16". thats good enough for me.
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Posted: 4/28/2001 1:12:41 PM EDT
A Greek guy at work wore a blue helmet in Bosnia in the early 80's. He said the favorite trick of the Serbs was to tip those wooden horse-driven carts on their side (I guess they're all over the place) and hide behind them for cover when ambushing the UN and NATO troops. The troops carrying M16's were mostly ineffective, as the round would fragment on hitting the floor of the cart. However, the troops carrying FALs were highly effective. Anyway, for that kind of work 7x62 is the way to go. The ARs probably have a different mission. He also said although the FALs were highly effective, they all wanted M16s because they were sick of lugging around all that heavy FAL ammo. Anyway, the M1A is a great rifle and it's one of my favorite to shoot. But I won't be selling the ARs anytime soon, if ever.
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