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Posted: 8/22/2005 7:47:06 PM EDT
I was wondering what our currrent goals are in Iraq.
Is it to rebuild? Kill all the resistance? Setup government? A specific type of government? Train Iraqi's to defend themselves from Iran and Syria and leave? Stay there for a certain amount of time and hope that all these things fall into place on their own and in our favor? I am really confused to what our goals and motives are right now. There seems to be alot of fighting. Anyone have any idea on how many Iraqi Resistance Fighters have died? I hear alot about IED's going off everyday, but I dont hear about much about how many Iraqi bad guys we kill. Do we just patrol and try to pick fights and get hit with planted bombs? Or are we taking out targets and being affective? Any and all answers are appreciated. |
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Thats the $64,000 question..
I am still trying to figure out what the reason for going in the 1st place was.. 1st it was WMDs, then they said Terrorists, then freedom for the Iraqis.. It seems to change every week. |
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I was pretty sure our goal was to kill terrorists in revenge for 9/11. Who fuckin cares about the wmd fiasco and freedom for iraq. We killed a lot of terrorists and havent been attacked at home as a result, thats all i care about.
ETA: our goal is to leave someday when our missions accomplished. |
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Did you hear everything you know about Iraq from CNN and the New York Times? Sure sounds like it to me.
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Nope it was to topple a very weak unfriendly regime, to put in a frendly (but still week) regime that would allow us to use the country as a base to invade its stronger neighbors, Syria and Iraq, and overthrough their regimes that are even more active in supporting terrorists and pursuing WMD. Keep doing this untill there are no longer any who support using violenct to spread Islam. The alternative was a tit for tat of terrorist attacks on the US, and retalitory strikes against the host countries with both the US and and Islamic populations getting increasingly incensed untill we were finally driven to exterminate 25% of the worlds population with our nuclear weapons and have our country potentially become a international outcast and certianly forced to live in a much more contaminated world. And at this stage, there is sill no guarentee that that wont still happen. |
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You answered your own question. Its all of them and the main one is to WIN. Not go crying home to momma. |
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God, another one of these threads?
You guys need to turn off the fucking tv. You are starting to sound just like the talking head leftists reporting on Iraq with all the "why are we there" bullshit. We are in Iraq because the enemy of the United States is in Iraq. It's that simple. If the terrorists hadn't come there and started shit, our troops could have been home by now. But they are there. They have chosen Iraq as the battleground in which to fight us. So we either accept the challenge or we fold like a bunch of little bitches and give up. Iraq is no longer about Saddam. It's no longer about WMD's. It's about securing the place until the Iraqis can take care of the nation themselves and not let it fall to the terrorists who want to kill us all...you, me and our families. That's why we are there. We'll come home when we have succeeded in stopping their quest to derail getting a goverment and suitable military in place (or when we wuss out and give up, depending on which happens first). If that's next year or the next decade, then so be it. It's a do or die situation. Come on folks, let's grow a sack and see this through. We have been through far worse before. We somehow managed to deal with Normandy, Okinawa, The Chosin Reservoir, etc. We can handle this.....if we have the same guts and determination of those who fought in the before mentioned places. |
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Shit im with ya. |
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At this point, I submit that our goal is to get the heck out of that country in the most expedient manner possible which does not result in the US looking like it got sent home with its tail between its legs. Unfortunately, that probably means hanging around long enough for the government to be stable. Won't be soon.
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+1 That does seem to be the case. |
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Kill bad guys.
Install a government we like better than Sadam, which doesn't support terrorism like Sadam did. Show the other Arabs we are good at killing bad guys. Leave when we feel it is stable enough. Have a base for killing Syrians and Iranians if we see fit. |
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+1 to centralized permenant bases in the region - sauidi is no longer stable, and not centrally located enough.
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No! Conan... |
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Actually, that is the correct response. Nixon (Viet Nam), Carter (general fuck wit), Reagan (Beruit), Bush I (didn't finish), Clinton (too numerous) gave our enemy the impression we were weak and would "cut and run." Well Bush II said, no more - a show of force (I'm gonna monkey stomp every mother fucker I want to). And it was working, until our leftist press brainwashed America. Seriously, does no one remember that terrorists thought it was OK to kill 3,000 Americans with our own airliners? WTF? Does no one remember that Bin Laden's written words said we wouldn't react and we wouldn't do anything? Jeez, people. G |
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What did Bush1 not finish? |
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Our goal is now, and always was, to provide a convenient location where trained, professional soldiers could engage and kill potential terrorists, that did not involve doing so within the geographical boundries of the United States or its territories. Astan is damned hard to get to, but any jihadi with two feet, an oxcart or a canoe can make it to Iraq.
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Bush I thought the "Highway of Death" was a message. To the average Arab it was a yawn. Their own rulers kill that many people a year. Why would a couple of burned out Mercedes impress them? He should have gone all the way to Baghdad and monkey stomped Saddam back in '91.
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Our current goal should be to get the FO and figure out how not to do something that stupid again (without the "smoking gun", that is), and find out who created this colossial fuck up and kick their asses. And get some free friggin oil out of it.
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Joint Resolution to Authorize the Use of United States Armed Forces Against Iraq
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We were there to get Iraq out of Kuwait. That is all and we did a good job too. |
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Oh come on you know what is going on in this thread, you have in this thread part of the concerted effort to undermine the war effort… started by a troll. |
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No, we went there to protect the Saudis. They even paid for the war. G |
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Colossal fuckup? Been listening to CNN again, huh. Some of you people have never been in a war. Fuck it, many of you "colossal fuckup" types have never even been in the military. It's all about the "quick fix" with you guys. Wars don't run on a timetable and plans are subject to change at any moment. The enemy doesn't always play by your rules. I am glad that people like you and Cindy weren't around in WWII. Half the country would be speaking Japanese and the other half would be speaking German. You people would be calling the war in the Pacific a "colossal fuckup" if it wasn't over in 6 months. You people seem to forget September 11, 2001, and before you say it has nothing to do with Iraq, well I guess what the Nazis were doing was none of our business either, huh! |
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It was a package deal that could be sold to the American public. The ROI on an invasion of Iraq was thought to be worth it. Here's the package. However, the main payoff is 1, 3 and 5. The rest was icing on the cake to sell the deal to the American public.
1. Terrorist ties. 2. Humanitarian mission: Saddam is a bad man and kills his own people as well as invades and kills in other countries. 3. Promotes stability and democracy in the region 4. Everyone thought he had WMDs 5. Gives US a position to impact the oil market in ME 6. Helps protect Israel 7. Potential threat against US and it's allies down the road. |
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