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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:11:10 PM EDT
A few weeks ago I posted some screen captures of HEAT.
www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=260374 A few days ago I picked up a DVD of Red Dawn out of the bargain bin at the local Blockbuster. For $6, what the hell? Guns and Lea Thompson........yum. (hey, I had a major crush on her.....sue me) I remember seeing Red Dawn in the theater and enjoyed it on some level. I probably watched it again on video a long time ago but have not seen it for MANY, MANY years. Well, after watching the DVD I have to say this...........WHAT A BAD MOVIE!!!! I mean it's really bad. The dialogue makes you want to laugh and puke at the same time. The story is less believable than Harry Potter and the "battle" scenes are atrocious. What is cool are the AK's. Remember, this was made @1983 and AK's were JUST beginning to be imported. It was still a novelty to see them in movies. We all hear stories about these "Red Dawn" guns for sale from time to time. I really doubt there were very many (if any) of these that were sold. Many were FA and studios usually keep props forever. Oh well, who knows..........here are the pics: Nice UN beret  Let me see your war face  Another School shooting!   Wow, those AK-47's sure are powerful  
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:15:41 PM EDT
[#1]
I don't remember Al Pacino being in Red Dawn?
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:16:21 PM EDT
[#2]
A classic shot
 The famous 4473 scene  Lea Baby!  I had to lighten this one to see the gun  HANG ON!  I hope he filed his Form 1 
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:18:24 PM EDT
[#3]
     I guess the Ruskies brought a couple of FALs 
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:20:26 PM EDT
[#4]
 Interesting FSB and muzzle nut. What is this?     Notice the drum mag 
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:21:58 PM EDT
[#5]
They weren't all Russian. There were Cubans as well. |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:23:05 PM EDT
[#6]
Actually they are not AKs'... they are Valmets converted to look like AKs'. Not much of a stretch however... Valmets are essentially refined AKs'. Problem was they could not get real Com Bloc rifles for the movie, so they improvised. I stand corrected... it was the RPKs' that were converted Valmets. |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:25:32 PM EDT
[#7]
yeah..me either?WTF? |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:26:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:27:12 PM EDT
[#9]
Ok, last ones
What is this subgun?  Nice laminated stock  These shots are of the same gun. It looks like an AK-74. You can tell its not when you see the mag but I bet the brake and sidefolder were rare in 1983  
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:29:03 PM EDT
[#10]
He wasn't of course. It just seems that no movie gun thread is complete without a mention of AL. Nevermind |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:29:50 PM EDT
[#11]
Bad movie? WTF?!?!?! Red Dawn is a modern masterpiece.
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:30:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:34:00 PM EDT
[#13]
pics aint workin
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:34:26 PM EDT
[#14]
I haven't seen that one in a long long long time.
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:35:22 PM EDT
[#15]
The subgun is a Jatimatic GG-95 PDW
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:40:37 PM EDT
[#16]
It should be required viewing every six months 
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:41:29 PM EDT
[#17]
My local WM doesn't have the DVD any longer, or I'd buy it. Kind of hard for me to get past the cheesy acting though. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 12:02:27 AM EDT
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DING DING DING. We have a winner. Wow, I hate it when someone with the right answer beats me in! Nice I.D. NYPatriot. I didn't think ANYONE knew that one! When I was younger I thought it was a Polish PM-63, until someone showed me the Jatimatic. I THINK the same gun made an appearance in Robocop 2, but it's been so long since I saw it that I can't be sure. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 12:33:18 AM EDT
[#19]
blasphemy, that movie kicks ass
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Posted: 8/19/2004 12:46:42 AM EDT
[#20]
Red Dawn rocked for a 1983 movie.
Want to see a shitty movie? Watch "Way of the Gun". Now that's complete shit. 
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Posted: 8/19/2004 12:55:30 AM EDT
[#21]
No shit, Heat doesn't hold a candle to Red Dawn, a movie so bad ass they named an Operation during OIF after it. 
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Posted: 8/19/2004 12:59:03 AM EDT
[#22]
it was a good movie for the 80's.
if it were remade today. it would be cool to those that like the idea of defeating an invading force. however, a remake would flop in the box office. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 10:49:52 AM EDT
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Whether you love it or hate it that movie is the the only pro 2nd ammendment film(even if somewhat unintended) we'll probably ever see from hollywood again.
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Posted: 8/19/2004 10:54:46 AM EDT
[#24]
The AK's were Maadi's, real AKM's made on Russian equipment. A few thousand were imported in the early Eighties by Steyr.
the RPK is a Valmet. Red Dawn is my favorite movie of all time........ |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 10:56:43 AM EDT
[#25]
Don't let your dreams get in the way of a hokie film. Yes, I liked it, too, but it WAS hokie. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 10:59:06 AM EDT
[#26]
Rick, HOW are you capturing stills from DVD? I've been trying to figure that out for a couple weeks.
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Posted: 8/19/2004 10:59:52 AM EDT
[#27]
Dayum! I never caught the FAL before... (UNA GRENADA)
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Posted: 8/19/2004 11:02:42 AM EDT
[#28]
One of my favorite movies.
I watched it all the time as a kid in the 80 's. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 11:05:35 AM EDT
[#29]
??? I caught it the first sime i saw the move |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 11:32:36 AM EDT
[#30]
Red Dawn a bad movie?? Hey. I have been ridiculed intensely by my teenage daughter for even suggesting watching this movie which may be utterly stoopid and implausible but is a heck of a lot of fun.
Not only that it has the Best Snot Bubble of All Time Caught On Film. No small acheivement. Sadly, no Al Pacino though. He's too citified for this kind of fare anyhow. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 11:33:18 AM EDT
[#31]
Oh, and Lea was smokin'......
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Posted: 8/19/2004 11:43:32 AM EDT
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Ok Hound, time for you to enter rehab! You are indeed a Red Dawn addict  I actually saw that yesterday while framing up to the RPK/Valmet with the drum shot. Swayze was crying over his friends picture and out comes all this snot. It was like ONLY a frame and a half.....grossed me out. I bow to your obsessiveness..............now get help. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 11:48:48 AM EDT
[#33]
Red Dawn made me the person that I am today.
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Posted: 8/19/2004 11:49:17 AM EDT
[#34]
I am using WinDVD. It has a capture function that saves the stills as a huge 1.5MB BMP file. The quality of this dvd sucks. That is why the stills were not as clear as the Heat ones. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 12:29:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/19/2004 12:39:25 PM EDT
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If they remade it, they should replace the one teacher who walks out into the field saying "hey, now" with a MMM type who would say, "hey, you can't bring that thing onto school property, didn't you see the sign?" while pointing to a sign that has a silhoutte of a revolver with a big red X through it. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 12:39:32 PM EDT
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They were probably supposed to be Mexican or Nicaraguan troops. Remember, in the Red Dawn timeline there is a civil war in Mexico, and Nicaragua and Cuba roll up through Texas with 500,000 troops. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 12:41:31 PM EDT
[#38]
I believe Al Pacino used a Valmet in "The Sound of Music" ! 
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Posted: 8/19/2004 12:49:25 PM EDT
[#39]
Correct. The flip down vert grip is the cocking handle. Pretty neat/weird, huh? |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 12:53:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/19/2004 12:57:50 PM EDT
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that gun with the weird FSB you were asking about...that one of them old school russion PPSH 41s or whatever? early early ruskie subgun, after the ones they used in WWII....NVA/VC had a few in Vietnam AFAIK
I still havent seen that movie....wonder if netflix has it....cant download it online, nobody has it :) |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 1:07:16 PM EDT
[#42]
Isn't the Jati the gun with the barrel that is not level?
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Posted: 8/19/2004 1:18:34 PM EDT
[#43]
well some one has to say it
"The chair is ageisnt the wall" "The Chair is ageinst the wall" |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 2:01:38 PM EDT
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Well, let me correct you again . The "RPKs" weren't converted Valmets. They were stock, out of the box, Valmets.And regarding the "unrealistic" battle scenes; all they did was take accounts of Russian partisan operations against the Germans in WW2, change the antagonists, and film things that actually happened. How "unrealistic" is that? |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 2:04:45 PM EDT
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If I could reach through telephone wires and slap you (multiple times), believe me, I would. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 2:15:05 PM EDT
[#46]
Is it just me or does the guy on the right in the very first pic look like John Kerry?
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Posted: 8/19/2004 2:27:01 PM EDT
[#47]
the red dawn akm's were a mix of egyptian maadi's imported by steyr and valmets that had been imported for 2 years at that point in time.
in the main, they were the maadi rifles. laminate stocks were supplied on the maadi rifles. 3-prong flash suppressors on the valmets. a few were converted to full auto, most were left semi auto. full auto versions were threaded for hollywood bfd's. the underfolding akms variant from steyr was and is a very rare bird. few were imported. the ake4's were 'faked' from akm's. the repop parts were made in a movie gun supplier prop department to pictures. notr the magazines on the ak74's. the full auto versions were sold off years ago. i got to see one, with provenence, and i would estimate it had less than 30% finish left on it. most of these ak's were used in other movies down thru the years and saw much abuse. still, they are among the few ak's on the nfa registry. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 2:42:33 PM EDT
[#48]
Video capture card - less than $100 at any PC store. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 2:47:26 PM EDT
[#49]
Sorry W-G, I had nothing to do with the filming of Red Dawn. But...hey, you're welcome!
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Posted: 8/19/2004 2:48:46 PM EDT
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Notice how he is bowing before his UN master... |
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