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Posted: 8/18/2004 10:11:10 PM EST
A few weeks ago I posted some screen captures of HEAT.
www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=260374

A few days ago I picked up a DVD of Red Dawn out of the bargain bin at the local Blockbuster. For $6, what the hell? Guns and Lea Thompson........yum. (hey, I had a major crush on her.....sue me)

I remember seeing Red Dawn in the theater and enjoyed it on some level. I probably watched it again on video a long time ago but have not seen it for MANY, MANY years. Well, after watching the DVD I have to say this...........WHAT A BAD MOVIE!!!! I mean it's really bad. The dialogue makes you want to laugh and puke at the same time. The story is less believable than Harry Potter and the "battle" scenes are atrocious.
What is cool are the AK's. Remember, this was made @1983 and AK's were JUST beginning to be imported. It was still a novelty to see them in movies. We all hear stories about these "Red Dawn" guns for sale from time to time. I really doubt there were very many (if any) of these that were sold. Many were FA and studios usually keep props forever. Oh well, who knows..........here are the pics:

Nice UN beret


Let me see your war face


Another School shooting!



Wow, those AK-47's sure are powerful

Link Posted: 8/18/2004 10:15:41 PM EST
I don't remember Al Pacino being in Red Dawn?
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 10:16:21 PM EST
A classic shot


The famous 4473 scene


Lea Baby!


I had to lighten this one to see the gun


HANG ON!


I hope he filed his Form 1
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 10:18:24 PM EST







I guess the Ruskies brought a couple of FALs
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 10:20:26 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/18/2004 10:22:24 PM EST by rickinvegas]


Interesting FSB and muzzle nut. What is this?





Notice the drum mag
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 10:21:58 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 10:23:05 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/18/2004 10:43:34 PM EST by NYPatriot]

What is cool are the AK's. Remember, this was made @1983 and AK's were JUST beginning to be imported


Actually they are not AKs'... they are Valmets converted to look like AKs'.

Not much of a stretch however... Valmets are essentially refined AKs'.

Problem was they could not get real Com Bloc rifles for the movie, so they improvised.

I stand corrected... it was the RPKs' that were converted Valmets.

Link Posted: 8/18/2004 10:25:32 PM EST

Originally Posted By twonami:
I don't remember Al Pacino being in Red Dawn?



yeah..me either?WTF?
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 10:26:03 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 10:27:12 PM EST
Ok, last ones

What is this subgun?


Nice laminated stock


These shots are of the same gun. It looks like an AK-74. You can tell its not when you see the mag but I bet the brake and sidefolder were rare in 1983

Link Posted: 8/18/2004 10:29:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By twonami:
I don't remember Al Pacino being in Red Dawn?



He wasn't of course. It just seems that no movie gun thread is complete without a mention of AL. Nevermind
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 10:29:50 PM EST
Bad movie? WTF?!?!?! Red Dawn is a modern masterpiece.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 10:30:43 PM EST

Originally Posted By rickinvegas:
Ok, last ones

What is this subgun?
www.crinamex.com/reddawn/reddawn30.JPG



Beretta PM12?
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 10:34:00 PM EST
pics aint workin
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 10:34:26 PM EST
I haven't seen that one in a long long long time.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 10:35:22 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/18/2004 10:36:34 PM EST by NYPatriot]
The subgun is a Jatimatic GG-95 PDW
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 10:40:37 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 10:41:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:

Originally Posted By Burley:
I haven't seen that one in a long long long time.



It should be required viewing every six months



My local WM doesn't have the DVD any longer, or I'd buy it. Kind of hard for me to get past the cheesy acting though.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 11:02:27 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/18/2004 11:03:50 PM EST by ElevenHotel]

Originally Posted By NYPatriot:
The subgun is a Jatimatic GG-95 PDW





DING DING DING. We have a winner.

Wow, I hate it when someone with the right answer beats me in!

Nice I.D. NYPatriot. I didn't think ANYONE knew that one! When I was younger I thought it was a Polish PM-63, until someone showed me the Jatimatic. I THINK the same gun made an appearance in Robocop 2, but it's been so long since I saw it that I can't be sure.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 11:33:18 PM EST
blasphemy, that movie kicks ass
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 11:46:42 PM EST
Red Dawn rocked for a 1983 movie.

Want to see a shitty movie?
Watch "Way of the Gun".

Now that's complete shit.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 11:55:30 PM EST

Originally Posted By raven:
Bad movie? WTF?!?!?! Red Dawn is a modern masterpiece.



No shit, Heat doesn't hold a candle to Red Dawn, a movie so bad ass they named an Operation during OIF after it.
Link Posted: 8/18/2004 11:59:03 PM EST
it was a good movie for the 80's.

if it were remade today. it would be cool to those that like the idea of defeating an invading force.

however, a remake would flop in the box office.

Link Posted: 8/19/2004 9:49:52 AM EST
Whether you love it or hate it that movie is the the only pro 2nd ammendment film(even if somewhat unintended) we'll probably ever see from hollywood again.
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 9:54:46 AM EST
The AK's were Maadi's, real AKM's made on Russian equipment. A few thousand were imported in the early Eighties by Steyr.
the RPK is a Valmet.

Red Dawn is my favorite movie of all time........
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 9:56:43 AM EST

Originally Posted By raven:
Bad movie? WTF?!?!?! Red Dawn is a modern masterpiece.


Don't let your dreams get in the way of a hokie film. Yes, I liked it, too, but it WAS hokie.
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 9:59:06 AM EST
Rick, HOW are you capturing stills from DVD? I've been trying to figure that out for a couple weeks.
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 9:59:52 AM EST
Dayum! I never caught the FAL before... (UNA GRENADA)
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 10:02:42 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 10:05:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Dayum! I never caught the FAL before... (UNA GRENADA)



???
I caught it the first sime i saw the move
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 10:32:36 AM EST
Red Dawn a bad movie?? Hey. I have been ridiculed intensely by my teenage daughter for even suggesting watching this movie which may be utterly stoopid and implausible but is a heck of a lot of fun.
Not only that it has the Best Snot Bubble of All Time Caught On
Film. No small acheivement. Sadly, no Al Pacino though. He's too citified for this kind of fare anyhow.
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 10:33:18 AM EST
Oh, and Lea was smokin'......
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 10:43:32 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/19/2004 10:44:48 AM EST by rickinvegas]

Originally Posted By Barkinhound:
Not only that it has the Best Snot Bubble of All Time Caught On Film



Ok Hound, time for you to enter rehab! You are indeed a Red Dawn addict

I actually saw that yesterday while framing up to the RPK/Valmet with the drum shot. Swayze was crying over his friends picture and out comes all this snot. It was like ONLY a frame and a half.....grossed me out. I bow to your obsessiveness..............now get help.
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 10:48:48 AM EST
Red Dawn made me the person that I am today.
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 10:49:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By JCKnife:
Rick, HOW are you capturing stills from DVD? I've been trying to figure that out for a couple weeks.



I am using WinDVD. It has a capture function that saves the stills as a huge 1.5MB BMP file.

The quality of this dvd sucks. That is why the stills were not as clear as the Heat ones.
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 11:29:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By Burley:

Originally Posted By Lumpy196:

Originally Posted By Burley:
I haven't seen that one in a long long long time.



It should be required viewing every six months



My local WM doesn't have the DVD any longer, or I'd buy it. Kind of hard for me to get past the cheesy acting though.

try best buy
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 11:39:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By Triumph955i:
it was a good movie for the 80's.

if it were remade today. it would be cool to those that like the idea of defeating an invading force.

however, a remake would flop in the box office.



If they remade it, they should replace the one teacher who walks out into the field saying "hey, now" with a MMM type who would say, "hey, you can't bring that thing onto school property, didn't you see the sign?" while pointing to a sign that has a silhoutte of a revolver with a big red X through it.
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 11:39:32 AM EST

Originally Posted By sick:

Originally Posted By DriftPunch:
Dayum! I never caught the FAL before... (UNA GRENADA)



???
I caught it the first sime i saw the move



They were probably supposed to be Mexican or Nicaraguan troops. Remember, in the Red Dawn timeline there is a civil war in Mexico, and Nicaragua and Cuba roll up through Texas with 500,000 troops.
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 11:41:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By GUNSFORHIRE:

Originally Posted By twonami:
I don't remember Al Pacino being in Red Dawn?



yeah..me either?WTF?



I believe Al Pacino used a Valmet in "The Sound of Music" !
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 11:49:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By NYPatriot:
The subgun is a Jatimatic GG-95 PDW



Correct. The flip down vert grip is the cocking handle. Pretty neat/weird, huh?
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 11:53:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By wetidlerjr:

Originally Posted By GUNSFORHIRE:

Originally Posted By twonami:
I don't remember Al Pacino being in Red Dawn?



yeah..me either?WTF?



I believe Al Pacino used a Valmet in "The Sound of Music" !



Link Posted: 8/19/2004 11:57:50 AM EST
that gun with the weird FSB you were asking about...that one of them old school russion PPSH 41s or whatever? early early ruskie subgun, after the ones they used in WWII....NVA/VC had a few in Vietnam AFAIK

I still havent seen that movie....wonder if netflix has it....cant download it online, nobody has it :)
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 12:07:16 PM EST
Isn't the Jati the gun with the barrel that is not level?
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 12:18:34 PM EST
well some one has to say it

"The chair is ageisnt the wall" "The Chair is ageinst the wall"
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 1:01:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By NYPatriot:

What is cool are the AK's. Remember, this was made @1983 and AK's were JUST beginning to be imported


Actually they are not AKs'... they are Valmets converted to look like AKs'.

Not much of a stretch however... Valmets are essentially refined AKs'.

Problem was they could not get real Com Bloc rifles for the movie, so they improvised.

I stand corrected... it was the RPKs' that were converted Valmets.




Well, let me correct you again. The "RPKs" weren't converted Valmets. They were stock, out of the box, Valmets.

And regarding the "unrealistic" battle scenes; all they did was take accounts of Russian partisan operations against the Germans in WW2, change the antagonists, and film things that actually happened. How "unrealistic" is that?
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 1:04:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By rickinvegas:
Well, after watching the DVD I have to say this...........WHAT A BAD MOVIE!!!! I mean it's really bad.



If I could reach through telephone wires and slap you (multiple times), believe me, I would.

Link Posted: 8/19/2004 1:15:05 PM EST
Is it just me or does the guy on the right in the very first pic look like John Kerry?
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 1:27:01 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 1:42:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By JCKnife:
Rick, HOW are you capturing stills from DVD? I've been trying to figure that out for a couple weeks.


Video capture card - less than $100 at any PC store.
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 1:47:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By Wobblin-Goblin:

Originally Posted By raven:
Bad movie? WTF?!?!?! Red Dawn is a modern masterpiece.


Don't let your dreams get in the way of a hokie film. Yes, I liked it, too, but it WAS hokie.



Sorry W-G, I had nothing to do with the filming of Red Dawn. But...hey, you're welcome!
Link Posted: 8/19/2004 1:48:46 PM EST

Originally Posted By GC456:
Is it just me or does the guy on the right in the very first pic look like John Kerry?



Notice how he is bowing before his UN master...

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