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Link Posted: 8/18/2022 10:27:48 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Just1ce4All:


Not near enough. I was shocked at the lack of spread between compensation of licensed and non licensed. For the responsibilities of licensed operators, the pay is way lower than should be. It's even worse as a licensed operator in a management position. Just a crying shame. Maybe it's different at your plant, but Wolf Creek operators are tied to the maintenance union, so it's the dumbass maintenance techs that make the big bucks for a fraction of the responsibility. It truly is pathetic.
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Ummm… c’mon man. That’s Homer Simpson’s job.
Link Posted: 8/18/2022 10:29:00 PM EDT
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In his heyday Micheal Shumacher was the highest paid athlete in the world. In a time when Tiger woods was making $40 million a year Micheal was making $80 million a year driving for Ferrari. Good work if you can get it
Link Posted: 8/18/2022 10:42:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN:
Patent attorney?
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Not unless you are a named or equity partner at a firm (not skill related), even then top tier litigation pays better.

My bet would be some specialty in the medical field.
Link Posted: 8/18/2022 10:43:24 PM EDT
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Banker.  I'm talking big boys like Lloyd Blankfein or Jamie Dimon.
Link Posted: 8/18/2022 11:00:24 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Low_Country:
Doctors, lawyers, pilots
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The only rich pilots I know are the ones who were richer before being pilots.
Link Posted: 8/18/2022 11:01:04 PM EDT
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Writing bank security questions.
Link Posted: 8/18/2022 11:09:05 PM EDT
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Software specialists can make great money, once you learn the product, which can be pretty hard to break into.
Oracle Applications Database Administrator, Oracle Apps technical or functional specialist, UNIX administrator, SAP etc
General coders don't make anything cuz all that is farmed out to India.
But where someone has to be onsite, it can be lucrative, although you're still competing with the H1B Indians.  Most of them can't speak English worth a damn, though, so some companies will look past their low rates and hire an American.
Link Posted: 8/18/2022 11:14:01 PM EDT
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BIL is a retinologist.  

He was w-2 as in didnt own the practice and made about 1m a year.

Then he left and started his own practice and makes less.  Oh well.
Link Posted: 9/12/2022 8:45:51 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By MDI:
BIL is a retinologist.  

He was w-2 as in didnt own the practice and made about 1m a year.

Then he left and started his own practice and makes less.  Oh well.
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It usually doesn’t work that way, and maybe after a few years at owning his practice, he would be ahead.

But, sometimes it happens like that.
Link Posted: 9/12/2022 8:49:30 PM EDT
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A lot of people I know running audio, video and lighting for corporate events (including myself) bill between $120-150/hour with daily OT at 1.5x after 10 and 2x after 14 hours. It possible to make damn good money in this industry, unfortunately a lot of woke bullshit. I’m not saying it’s anywhere near the highest, but holy shit is it good money for someone who’s tech savvy with no formal education. You’d be surprised what passes for labor in this industry even at the top. Lots of way overpaid and under qualified individuals.

The best part about it, is I absolutely love my job. Audio is a hobby for me that I trick people to pay me quite well to do. Turns out I’m pretty decent at making things sound good too, so that helps.
Link Posted: 9/12/2022 8:51:27 PM EDT
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The highest hourly rate I have seen or paid was to a scheduling expert for a construction arbitration it was impressive and he was worth every penny.
Link Posted: 9/12/2022 8:56:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By PeepEater:

The ones with a license suspension for drug use. A lot more of them out there than you think.
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Originally Posted By Arndog86:
Doctors.   Not just the rate, but also the only guaranteed employment job in America.

No such thing as an unemployed physician.

The ones with a license suspension for drug use. A lot more of them out there than you think.

Ton of them every quarter. Medical board hearings are mostly public records. Lots of pharmacists and nurses get in trouble for that shit as well.
Link Posted: 9/12/2022 9:00:14 PM EDT
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Hedge fund quant
Link Posted: 9/12/2022 9:00:58 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By neshomamench:



No doubt. But if you check off all the boxes to become a neurosurgeon, you WILL make neurosurgeon money.


If you check off all the boxes to become an attorney, you are unlikely to become one that makes more than a neurosurgeon.  

The richest lawyers, from doing lawyer stuff, make a lot more than the richest doctors do (from doing doctor stuff) but the average lawyer makes a good bit less than the average doctor.
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Saw a stat where many law school grand don't do lawyer stuff when graduating due to the glut of grads.
Link Posted: 9/12/2022 9:42:47 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Beretta_Jerry:

Saw a stat where many law school grand don't do lawyer stuff when graduating due to the glut of grads.
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Two of my best friends from college who went on to law school with me ended up going into real estate after law school. They easily make way more as successful real estate brokers than I do as a real estate attorney.
Link Posted: 9/12/2022 9:57:18 PM EDT
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Private practice interventional/neurovascular, radiology, ortho, or plastics.  All skilled "laborers" that have meticulously crafted their hand-eye coordination and attention to detail.
Link Posted: 9/12/2022 9:58:43 PM EDT
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Whatever Jeffery Epstein did/does
Link Posted: 9/12/2022 10:03:08 PM EDT
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Histotech's make pretty good money.  I was never degreed, but did the job for several years and made about 60K a year.  This was 20 years ago.
Link Posted: 9/13/2022 7:16:33 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/13/2022 7:32:19 AM EDT
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Best value is in the cybersecurity arena right now. I've run into a number on the civilian side with very little education beyond high school, a handful of certifications and raking in over six figures in the their mid-20's. Given that most can work remotely, they can live well outside the higher-cost of living areas, making those six figures go much further.

Hell, I ran into a mid-20's kid hiking the AT with his dad, uncle, and younger brother. He did go to college, but got a job as a software engineer; working remotely, making excellent money and giving him a lot of freedom.

Most analysts I work with are in the Army or Air Force Reserve/Guard (Cyber branch/career fields) and with their clearance and basic certifications are highly sought after from well-paying companies.

While it's a learned skill, you also need to have some level of aptitude for it (I don't nor do I have a desire to smash key boards all day).

I've seen rates from $50/hour to over $100/hour, this is government contractor and the civilian sector can top that.

ROCK6
Link Posted: 9/13/2022 7:41:43 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By neshomamench:


The highest “you get X credential and you are going to get Y income”


Specialist physician.  Private practice Ortho and Neuro that do spine probably average the most but there are so many variables. That any of the lucrative specialties are the clear answer when the question is “on average and long term”.  800-1.2 is a normal expectation for private practice, in the right locations for the lucrative specialties.  You can make more, but it is getting outside the normal distribution.  Nothing else comes close.

The richest lawyers (doing lawyer stuff) are far FAR richer than the richest doctors doing doctor stuff….but the average doc is a lot better off than the average lawyer.


You can become a billionaire as a geologist or an English major….but in terms of “get this credential, and you can expect to make this amount no matter what” specialist physician.
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Agreed.
Link Posted: 9/13/2022 7:46:21 AM EDT
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I’d have to imagine saturation divers are near the top of the list.
Link Posted: 9/13/2022 7:48:07 AM EDT
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Politician.
Link Posted: 9/13/2022 7:49:33 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By general_cluster:


lemme tell you what it takes (or took) to become a neurosurgeon.  Get admitted to a top ten engineering program and the graduate at the top of your electrical engineering class.  Turn down absurd offers. Go to very good medical school.  Graduate at top of class.  Go to 6-year insanely demanding residency.  The kind of thing that causes people to have breakdowns. Do a fellowship.  be in mid 30s before you start to practice.  

The path is clear, but it literally takes a genius that is willing to put in 15 years or more of training, part of which is exceptionally intense.  That is a rare combination.
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Originally Posted By general_cluster:


lemme tell you what it takes (or took) to become a neurosurgeon.  Get admitted to a top ten engineering program and the graduate at the top of your electrical engineering class.  Turn down absurd offers. Go to very good medical school.  Graduate at top of class.  Go to 6-year insanely demanding residency.  The kind of thing that causes people to have breakdowns. Do a fellowship.  be in mid 30s before you start to practice.  

The path is clear, but it literally takes a genius that is willing to put in 15 years or more of training, part of which is exceptionally intense.  That is a rare combination.


like entertainers, you have to be PICKED to get into a surgery internship and neurosurgery fellowship. But, the question was on credentials and salary, not on difficulty or feasability in obtaining those credentials.

Originally Posted By LetteredChurl:
Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN:
Patent attorney?


Not unless you are a named or equity partner at a firm (not skill related), even then top tier litigation pays better.

My bet would be some specialty in the medical field.


Patent attorneys start out at about $120k (and work is still hard to find) If you have an EE or computer degree, or went to a high ranked law school and had good grades, then big law is easy to get into and your salary is more like $250k

Litigation attorneys at larger firms, even in patent litigation, is more often $1600/h on the higher end for partner level. And at 2000 hours a year billed that is over $3M, but not even partners see 100% of their billing.

I dont know any neurosurgeons who make less than $2M a year in today's market.

Originally Posted By Beretta_Jerry:
Originally Posted By neshomamench:



No doubt. But if you check off all the boxes to become a neurosurgeon, you WILL make neurosurgeon money.


If you check off all the boxes to become an attorney, you are unlikely to become one that makes more than a neurosurgeon.  

The richest lawyers, from doing lawyer stuff, make a lot more than the richest doctors do (from doing doctor stuff) but the average lawyer makes a good bit less than the average doctor.

Saw a stat where many law school grand don't do lawyer stuff when graduating due to the glut of grads.


Yep. Whole lot of JDs working at Rawlings (subrogation company) or Humana (health insurance company) doing non-legal work for just $50k a year. And by "whole lot" Im talking something like half the subrogation folks having JDs. Humana isnt as bad but still surprising.
Link Posted: 9/13/2022 7:09:13 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By green_bullet:


like entertainers, you have to be PICKED to get into a surgery internship and neurosurgery fellowship. But, the question was on credentials and salary, not on difficulty or feasability in obtaining those credentials.



Patent attorneys start out at about $120k (and work is still hard to find) If you have an EE or computer degree, or went to a high ranked law school and had good grades, then big law is easy to get into and your salary is more like $250k

Litigation attorneys at larger firms, even in patent litigation, is more often $1600/h on the higher end for partner level. And at 2000 hours a year billed that is over $3M, but not even partners see 100% of their billing.

I dont know any neurosurgeons who make less than $2M a year in today's market.



Yep. Whole lot of JDs working at Rawlings (subrogation company) or Humana (health insurance company) doing non-legal work for just $50k a year. And by "whole lot" Im talking something like half the subrogation folks having JDs. Humana isnt as bad but still surprising.
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Originally Posted By general_cluster:


lemme tell you what it takes (or took) to become a neurosurgeon.  Get admitted to a top ten engineering program and the graduate at the top of your electrical engineering class.  Turn down absurd offers. Go to very good medical school.  Graduate at top of class.  Go to 6-year insanely demanding residency.  The kind of thing that causes people to have breakdowns. Do a fellowship.  be in mid 30s before you start to practice.  

The path is clear, but it literally takes a genius that is willing to put in 15 years or more of training, part of which is exceptionally intense.  That is a rare combination.


like entertainers, you have to be PICKED to get into a surgery internship and neurosurgery fellowship. But, the question was on credentials and salary, not on difficulty or feasability in obtaining those credentials.

Originally Posted By LetteredChurl:
Originally Posted By CPT_CAVEMAN:
Patent attorney?


Not unless you are a named or equity partner at a firm (not skill related), even then top tier litigation pays better.

My bet would be some specialty in the medical field.


Patent attorneys start out at about $120k (and work is still hard to find) If you have an EE or computer degree, or went to a high ranked law school and had good grades, then big law is easy to get into and your salary is more like $250k

Litigation attorneys at larger firms, even in patent litigation, is more often $1600/h on the higher end for partner level. And at 2000 hours a year billed that is over $3M, but not even partners see 100% of their billing.

I dont know any neurosurgeons who make less than $2M a year in today's market.

Originally Posted By Beretta_Jerry:
Originally Posted By neshomamench:



No doubt. But if you check off all the boxes to become a neurosurgeon, you WILL make neurosurgeon money.


If you check off all the boxes to become an attorney, you are unlikely to become one that makes more than a neurosurgeon.  

The richest lawyers, from doing lawyer stuff, make a lot more than the richest doctors do (from doing doctor stuff) but the average lawyer makes a good bit less than the average doctor.

Saw a stat where many law school grand don't do lawyer stuff when graduating due to the glut of grads.


Yep. Whole lot of JDs working at Rawlings (subrogation company) or Humana (health insurance company) doing non-legal work for just $50k a year. And by "whole lot" Im talking something like half the subrogation folks having JDs. Humana isnt as bad but still surprising.



Patent has become more like dental offices lots of patent agents and a few attorneys.  It has got to be the most boring mind numbing job.  I got 3/4 of the way through the patent bar and said there is no way I can do this for a living.  Like any field some do really well but the days of high patent attorney salaries seems to be gone unless you want to work for a big firm billing 2000+ hours a year .....required.  That's not living.

A friend of mine was making 140+ an hour as a contract patent attorney, no idea what the firm was charging.  It's a good rate but she can't bill nearly 2000 hours and a lot of the work is flat fee.




Link Posted: 9/14/2022 10:37:56 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By green_bullet:


like entertainers, you have to be PICKED to get into a surgery internship and neurosurgery fellowship. But, the question was on credentials and salary, not on difficulty or feasability in obtaining those credentials.



Patent attorneys start out at about $120k (and work is still hard to find) If you have an EE or computer degree, or went to a high ranked law school and had good grades, then big law is easy to get into and your salary is more like $250k

Litigation attorneys at larger firms, even in patent litigation, is more often $1600/h on the higher end for partner level. And at 2000 hours a year billed that is over $3M, but not even partners see 100% of their billing.

I dont know any neurosurgeons who make less than $2M a year in today's market.



Yep. Whole lot of JDs working at Rawlings (subrogation company) or Humana (health insurance company) doing non-legal work for just $50k a year. And by "whole lot" Im talking something like half the subrogation folks having JDs. Humana isnt as bad but still surprising.
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Lawyers and Insurance guys used to average doctor money....when they limited them.  Now that they are trying to make as many as they can, it has dried up pay and lots of the opportunties.
Link Posted: 9/15/2022 7:36:12 AM EDT
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like entertainers, you have to be PICKED to get into a surgery internship and neurosurgery fellowship. But, the question was on credentials and salary, not on difficulty or feasability in obtaining those credentials.
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If you take away difficulty or feasibility the minimum NBA salary is over $1 million, and the average is over $4 million.  Most people's chances of being able to become a neurosurgeon are about the same as them making an NBA roster.
Link Posted: 9/15/2022 7:53:26 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By whiskerz:
In his heyday Micheal Shumacher was the highest paid athlete in the world. In a time when Tiger woods was making $40 million a year Micheal was making $80 million a year driving for Ferrari. Good work if you can get it
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Tiger made over a billion dollars.  First athlete to ever do that.
Link Posted: 9/15/2022 8:02:01 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By Clemson_John:
If you take away difficulty or feasibility the minimum NBA salary is over $1 million, and the average is over $4 million.  Most people's chances of being able to become a neurosurgeon are about the same as them making an NBA roster.
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A little over 200 people become U.S. neurosurgeons each year.  The NBA drafts 60 players. Another 40 or so work their way up throught development leagues.   Lets call it 100.    The average player career is 4.5 years.  For a neurosurgeon is is decades.

Of course there are details to that (who actually makes a roster...and for how long....  But I think the clear edge goes to the NBA player in terms of "harder to make it" if we look at the number of chances.


Link Posted: 9/16/2022 10:46:45 AM EDT
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A little over 200 people become U.S. neurosurgeons each year.  The NBA drafts 60 players. Another 40 or so work their way up throught development leagues.   Lets call it 100.    The average player career is 4.5 years.  For a neurosurgeon is is decades.

Of course there are details to that (who actually makes a roster...and for how long....  But I think the clear edge goes to the NBA player in terms of "harder to make it" if we look at the number of chances.


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I wonder what the overall pool to draw from each is like.
Say there are about tree fiddy million citizens and non citizens running around America,  half male.
So 175M pool, About 1.75M will have the basic height and athleticism requirements.
There are under 500 NBA players.  And around 1500 D1 college players.
People have played in the NBA ranging from 18 to early 40s.
Off the top of my head average age is late 20s and peak / prime right around 30 as well.

The average US MD is about 1.5sd above the mean bright.  
So we are looking at a pool of about ten times as many potentials.  Around 17.5M.
So, they knock out As in a year of calc, year of organic, etc, get 90th percentile or so on MCATs,
Etc.  After crushing undergrad and probably have a 100K education.  Then another 100-200K for medical school,  then years more of 80 hour weeks, etc.

To become a Neurosurgeon in their early 30s and years of debt, low pay, massive hours of work.  And still likely to be working 80 hour weeks.
You will have out performed 85% or so of medical students, with that 15% or so step one high performers eating up the neurosurgery and handful of other highly competitive specialty slots.

Link Posted: 9/16/2022 10:51:07 AM EDT
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The only rich pilots I know are the ones who were richer before being pilots.
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Originally Posted By Low_Country:
Doctors, lawyers, pilots
The only rich pilots I know are the ones who were richer before being pilots.

LoL.  You don’t know too many then.    Pilots are pretty good about not blabbing.   I’ve been very impressed with the members we have here.  
Mums the word.  
They discuss it amongst themselves, but are quite practiced at being circumspect around others.    I think it originally stemmed from not wanting to make the flight attendants jealous.
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I know photographers who pull 7 figures...
Link Posted: 9/16/2022 11:08:05 AM EDT
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Probably organized violence. I recently turned down an offer of 2k dollars a day to work as a contractor doing personnel recovery in Ukraine.

That kind of money can be had many places if you are really good at controlled/organized violence...though less often now that the heyday of Iraq and Afghanistan is over.

And unlike doctors and attorneys, no debt required to get qualified. I was paid to train.
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Originally Posted By Bossk556:
No talent or personality so no athletes or celebs.
No entrepreneurs or owners.
No managing of others so CEOs, ect are out.

Software engineer specialized in something?
Attorney? Who has the highest billing rate? I've heard patent attorneys do but then I've heard they don't.
Gun repair?

My own field, accounting, cost accountants seem to do pretty well, but I'm pretty sure we are at the bottom when it comes to software and attorneys.

Also I've heard the future of earning big money is to have two specific fields. Accounting and IT. Bio chem and neuro science. So you can be super specialized.


Probably organized violence. I recently turned down an offer of 2k dollars a day to work as a contractor doing personnel recovery in Ukraine.

That kind of money can be had many places if you are really good at controlled/organized violence...though less often now that the heyday of Iraq and Afghanistan is over.

And unlike doctors and attorneys, no debt required to get qualified. I was paid to train.


What is that entail?  Just curious, not asking for employment.  I suspect I'm to old and broken and definitely dont have the requisite skill set
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Originally Posted By Ben:


Probably organized violence. I recently turned down an offer of 2k dollars a day to work as a contractor doing personnel recovery in Ukraine.

That kind of money can be had many places if you are really good at controlled/organized violence...though less often now that the heyday of Iraq and Afghanistan is over.

And unlike doctors and attorneys, no debt required to get qualified. I was paid to train.
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Originally Posted By Ben:
Originally Posted By Bossk556:
No talent or personality so no athletes or celebs.
No entrepreneurs or owners.
No managing of others so CEOs, ect are out.

Software engineer specialized in something?
Attorney? Who has the highest billing rate? I've heard patent attorneys do but then I've heard they don't.
Gun repair?

My own field, accounting, cost accountants seem to do pretty well, but I'm pretty sure we are at the bottom when it comes to software and attorneys.

Also I've heard the future of earning big money is to have two specific fields. Accounting and IT. Bio chem and neuro science. So you can be super specialized.


Probably organized violence. I recently turned down an offer of 2k dollars a day to work as a contractor doing personnel recovery in Ukraine.

That kind of money can be had many places if you are really good at controlled/organized violence...though less often now that the heyday of Iraq and Afghanistan is over.

And unlike doctors and attorneys, no debt required to get qualified. I was paid to train.


What is “personnel recovery”?       Recovering prisoners?    Or human remains?   Or?          Do they pay $2000 per day, the whole time you’re in country, or just when active?
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It is recovering people or remains from isolation or from behind hostile lines. Maybe the person just needs picked up from a hiding spot, or maybe more aggressive measures are needed to bring them home. I won't really delve into it more than that, but there are lots of resources online that can give you a better idea of what it entails.

It is 2000 a day for the entirety of your time in country. 1500 to 2500 a day was not unheard of over the past 20 years. I knew guys that ten years ago wouldn't even look at contracts for less than 1k a day.
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Originally Posted By BillofRights:
Originally Posted By Ben:
Originally Posted By Bossk556:
No talent or personality so no athletes or celebs.
No entrepreneurs or owners.
No managing of others so CEOs, ect are out.

Software engineer specialized in something?
Attorney? Who has the highest billing rate? I've heard patent attorneys do but then I've heard they don't.
Gun repair?

My own field, accounting, cost accountants seem to do pretty well, but I'm pretty sure we are at the bottom when it comes to software and attorneys.

Also I've heard the future of earning big money is to have two specific fields. Accounting and IT. Bio chem and neuro science. So you can be super specialized.


Probably organized violence. I recently turned down an offer of 2k dollars a day to work as a contractor doing personnel recovery in Ukraine.

That kind of money can be had many places if you are really good at controlled/organized violence...though less often now that the heyday of Iraq and Afghanistan is over.

And unlike doctors and attorneys, no debt required to get qualified. I was paid to train.


What is “personnel recovery”?       Recovering prisoners?    Or human remains?   Or?          Do they pay $2000 per day, the whole time you’re in country, or just when active?


It is recovering people or remains from isolation or from behind hostile lines. Maybe the person just needs picked up from a hiding spot, or maybe more aggressive measures are needed to bring them home. I won't really delve into it more than that, but there are lots of resources online that can give you a better idea of what it entails.

It is 2000 a day for the entirety of your time in country. 1500 to 2500 a day was not unheard of over the past 20 years. I knew guys that ten years ago wouldn't even look at contracts for less than 1k a day.


Thanks for the reply.  Would the contract usually be a specified amount of time, for one recovery, as in I hire you for 10 days, to get a person out of AFG, or would it be for 30-60 days at a time?      That would certainly add up to serious money.
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My buddy is a pilot into/out of SF. He easily makes $300k. Started off on small fishing boats in AK.

I'm a mechanic and make between $130-150 hr (plus margin on parts), but I rarely work more than 20-30 hours so annual isn't huge, but that's by choice. Big benefits by being self employed and having my shop at home. It's easily a 6-figure benefit offsetting my wife's income tax and our property overhead...
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That's revenue before expenses though, right?

I didn't know shop rates were that high. What vehicles do you fix?

@CIE
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:08:52 AM EDT
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If we are going with entertainers. (And you said Actor). The richest musicians are richer than the richest actors and the richest athletes are also richer than the richest actors.  

At the very very top, musicians make more than actors.
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Originally Posted By Notcalifornialegal:
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If we are going with entertainers. (And you said Actor). The richest musicians are richer than the richest actors and the richest athletes are also richer than the richest actors.  

At the very very top, musicians make more than actors.



Mostly. But Tom Cruise may make 200 million for Top Gun: Maverick. Vid Diesel made 40 million to voice a cartoon for like 10 minutes.

But they don't earn that consistently, obviously.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:11:02 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Enzo300:
Underwater saturation welders stack phat from what I've heard. $300K+/yr?
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My cousin did this. Worked himself half to death then partied like a rodeo clown. One day he was stumbling through New Orleans high off his ass posting insane things to his Facebook timeline and his mother had the NOPD out looking for him. It's a hard life, but I have to admit it kind of sounded like a lot of fun. He worked and lived all over the world.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:11:44 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By Clemson_John:
You don't think top lawyers have talent and personality?

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Top lawyers have agents.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:13:20 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By SystemFailCoreDump:
Bartenders at high end clubs make serious bank.
I've considered it myself in the past but I'm not much of a people person.
Actually, I'd probably get fired the first night for bitch slapping some douche bag bullshit blathering liberal a-hole.
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Are you a hot chick under 25? Because you mostly need to be a hot chick under 25? And really the "under 25" probably matters more than the "hot", strickly speaking. Makeup and pushup bras cover a lot of sins.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:14:57 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By neshomamench:



I disagree, because becoming. A neurosurgeon is literally a clear, understood path of checking off boxes. If you follow the path to completion, you will be a neurosurgeon. It is a series of credentials.

There is no clear path to becoming a top athlete. There is no credential that assures it.

BTW, there are more athletes in highly paid professional sports than Neurosurgeons.
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Originally Posted By neshomamench:
Originally Posted By Clemson_John:
Not disagreeing, but if you're going to exclude professional athletes, you'd might as well exclude neurosurgeons also.  Your average person has about as much chance of making a professional sports roster as becoming one.



I disagree, because becoming. A neurosurgeon is literally a clear, understood path of checking off boxes. If you follow the path to completion, you will be a neurosurgeon. It is a series of credentials.

There is no clear path to becoming a top athlete. There is no credential that assures it.

BTW, there are more athletes in highly paid professional sports than Neurosurgeons.



Barriers to entry for both are very high though. Both require a high degree of talent (at least if you're White for medical school, if you are maybe not so much) then making several cuts being the best or close to the best of the group you're currently in. Everyone else never gets another chance. And then you make several more cuts.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 5:59:39 AM EDT
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Definitely not Electrician I can tell you that

Moving towards I.T., it checks off the boxes of being remote capable, good pay, wide range of opportunities, and healthcare for my family

Every wealthy person I've known or bumped shoulders with IRL was a business owner, either inherited from their parents or did it themselves.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 7:54:08 AM EDT
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Good Looking, fit woman: Escort.  Learn to listen and massage egos and make millions.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 9:01:59 AM EDT
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That's revenue before expenses though, right?

I didn't know shop rates were that high. What vehicles do you fix?

@CIE
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My buddy is a pilot into/out of SF. He easily makes $300k. Started off on small fishing boats in AK.

I'm a mechanic and make between $130-150 hr (plus margin on parts), but I rarely work more than 20-30 hours so annual isn't huge, but that's by choice. Big benefits by being self employed and having my shop at home. It's easily a 6-figure benefit offsetting my wife's income tax and our property overhead...


That's revenue before expenses though, right?

I didn't know shop rates were that high. What vehicles do you fix?

@CIE


@peacematu See, that's an interesting question. I would have said that you were correct 5 years ago when I owned a shop in a building that I leased, but I charged significantly higher rates. I'm currently working from a shop on my property. It was there when I bought the property, so very little startup capital needed (less than $10k). It takes a while to get there, but I started this shop with all of the tools I needed. I have changed and upgraded over the years, but it's all a write off.

So yeah, I clear easily $130/hr with parts profit. Also, everything in my life is a write off down to the new tractor I bought to clear snow around the shop and access road. My truck, my car, my car trailer, a percentage of my home (and property maintenance). All written off.

I am a specialty German car repair guy, but these days I'll do anything. Right now I have a 1973 2002 that I built an engine for and I'm doing a full engine compartment restoration. I also have a Land Rover Discovery that I'm doing a lift and front end rebuilt. Last week it was a Honda Pilot suspension and timing belt job. I'm a Tire Rack dealer, so I'll sell tire/wheel packages and tires. Some of the sales side is great, too. I make $500 on a wheel/tire package without much work (mount them on the vehicle when the package comes in).

My rates are low compared to shops in town. Average is $150/hr. High is $200/hr for the local German shop. They all have overhead that I do not, so I keep my rates lower. Currently I'm booked months out for anything that isn't a necessity or emergency and I've never advertised. So yeah... not bad. Granted I'm 25 years into this work and I'm pretty good at it.

FWIW, my wife took the job as a controller at a company everybody here knows. Signing bonus was $1m at current stock price (which is way down right now). Salary is very mid 6 figures. So what I'm saying is, being a CPA with years in accounting and finance pays better than even the best mechanic job. She definitely doesn't work as hard or as many hours as I do, either.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 9:35:27 AM EDT
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What do those heavy crane operators on top of skyscrapers make?
Whatever it is, it's not enough.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 12:06:15 PM EDT
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highest paid short run or lifespan?
steady/consistent or high paid hits and misses leading to a high average but need tolerance for the lows?
at risk of offshoring or automation, or "Im so great I'll never be laid off or need a job!"?
is the person a high competitor (LIKES beating others at things and does not stop) or just wants to do a job and be left alone?
can it be done well when you are old and tired and your body breaks down, or will you need career 2.0?

IMHO, the only professions worth pursuing are doctors, engineering (actual P Eng engineers), and accountants.  all are at risk of automation and bureaucracy, but these are less so.  Skilled trades should always be in demand, and can almost always make money on the side, but some are a lot easier on a young body than an old one.
Link Posted: 9/22/2022 6:40:40 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By CIE:


@peacematu See, that's an interesting question. I would have said that you were correct 5 years ago when I owned a shop in a building that I leased, but I charged significantly higher rates. I'm currently working from a shop on my property. It was there when I bought the property, so very little startup capital needed (less than $10k). It takes a while to get there, but I started this shop with all of the tools I needed. I have changed and upgraded over the years, but it's all a write off.

So yeah, I clear easily $130/hr with parts profit. Also, everything in my life is a write off down to the new tractor I bought to clear snow around the shop and access road. My truck, my car, my car trailer, a percentage of my home (and property maintenance). All written off.

I am a specialty German car repair guy, but these days I'll do anything. Right now I have a 1973 2002 that I built an engine for and I'm doing a full engine compartment restoration. I also have a Land Rover Discovery that I'm doing a lift and front end rebuilt. Last week it was a Honda Pilot suspension and timing belt job. I'm a Tire Rack dealer, so I'll sell tire/wheel packages and tires. Some of the sales side is great, too. I make $500 on a wheel/tire package without much work (mount them on the vehicle when the package comes in).

My rates are low compared to shops in town. Average is $150/hr. High is $200/hr for the local German shop. They all have overhead that I do not, so I keep my rates lower. Currently I'm booked months out for anything that isn't a necessity or emergency and I've never advertised. So yeah... not bad. Granted I'm 25 years into this work and I'm pretty good at it.

FWIW, my wife took the job as a controller at a company everybody here knows. Signing bonus was $1m at current stock price (which is way down right now). Salary is very mid 6 figures. So what I'm saying is, being a CPA with years in accounting and finance pays better than even the best mechanic job. She definitely doesn't work as hard or as many hours as I do, either.
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Originally Posted By peacematu:
Originally Posted By CIE:


My buddy is a pilot into/out of SF. He easily makes $300k. Started off on small fishing boats in AK.

I'm a mechanic and make between $130-150 hr (plus margin on parts), but I rarely work more than 20-30 hours so annual isn't huge, but that's by choice. Big benefits by being self employed and having my shop at home. It's easily a 6-figure benefit offsetting my wife's income tax and our property overhead...


That's revenue before expenses though, right?

I didn't know shop rates were that high. What vehicles do you fix?

@CIE


@peacematu See, that's an interesting question. I would have said that you were correct 5 years ago when I owned a shop in a building that I leased, but I charged significantly higher rates. I'm currently working from a shop on my property. It was there when I bought the property, so very little startup capital needed (less than $10k). It takes a while to get there, but I started this shop with all of the tools I needed. I have changed and upgraded over the years, but it's all a write off.

So yeah, I clear easily $130/hr with parts profit. Also, everything in my life is a write off down to the new tractor I bought to clear snow around the shop and access road. My truck, my car, my car trailer, a percentage of my home (and property maintenance). All written off.

I am a specialty German car repair guy, but these days I'll do anything. Right now I have a 1973 2002 that I built an engine for and I'm doing a full engine compartment restoration. I also have a Land Rover Discovery that I'm doing a lift and front end rebuilt. Last week it was a Honda Pilot suspension and timing belt job. I'm a Tire Rack dealer, so I'll sell tire/wheel packages and tires. Some of the sales side is great, too. I make $500 on a wheel/tire package without much work (mount them on the vehicle when the package comes in).

My rates are low compared to shops in town. Average is $150/hr. High is $200/hr for the local German shop. They all have overhead that I do not, so I keep my rates lower. Currently I'm booked months out for anything that isn't a necessity or emergency and I've never advertised. So yeah... not bad. Granted I'm 25 years into this work and I'm pretty good at it.

FWIW, my wife took the job as a controller at a company everybody here knows. Signing bonus was $1m at current stock price (which is way down right now). Salary is very mid 6 figures. So what I'm saying is, being a CPA with years in accounting and finance pays better than even the best mechanic job. She definitely doesn't work as hard or as many hours as I do, either.


@CIE

Thanks for the post. If everyone knows the company, I guess it isn't too personal to ask which.
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