Posted: 4/24/2015 9:20:27 PM EDT
| We currently have a tractor supply 1 hp well pump at my cabin. We have a problem with quick freezes here in northern michigan, So far Im out over $600 for pumps in the last 3 years from freezing and cracking. these are some of the worse castings ive seen. very coarse and thin. can anyone recommend a good well pump? |
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This is what we currently have.
http://www.tractorsupply.com/en/store/countylinereg%3B-shallow-well-cast-iron-jet-pump-1-hp |
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Sounds like you need to drain the pump casing when the cabin's not in use. Or go with a submersible pump. Wells round here are 100-250 ft deep and that's all I'm used to, for a minute I was really confused about how the pump could be freezing. I forgot some people can get water that easily.  Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Wells round here are 100-250 ft deep and that's all I'm used to, for a minute I was really confused about how the pump could be freezing. I forgot some people can get water that easily.
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Sounds like you need to drain the pump casing when the cabin's not in use. Or go with a submersible pump. Wells round here are 100-250 ft deep and that's all I'm used to, for a minute I was really confused about how the pump could be freezing. I forgot some people can get water that easily.
Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile we actually have a aquifer, 32 degrees water all year long, same source as Ice mountain. It will go from 60 degree nights to 20 in the matter of 2 days, Im a little scared to leave a heat lamp or heat tape going when im not there in the fall. I guess I could probably attach a ball valve in the bottom of the pump housing to drain easily in the fall months. |
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Wells round here are 100-250 ft deep and that's all I'm used to, for a minute I was really confused about how the pump could be freezing. I forgot some people can get water that easily.
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Sounds like you need to drain the pump casing when the cabin's not in use. Or go with a submersible pump. Wells round here are 100-250 ft deep and that's all I'm used to, for a minute I was really confused about how the pump could be freezing. I forgot some people can get water that easily.
Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I thought the same thing lol. |
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Everybody responding is right. Those pump impeller cases probably take way more than 100psi while freezing before rupture. after looking at this pump body i doubt it could take 100 psi, i cut cast iron all the time at work and seeing these pumps makes me surprised they dont spray water out of the pores. I'm pretty close to machining a new pump from solid steel and leaving the walls 1/2-3/4 thick. |
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Quoted: Wells round here are 100-250 ft deep and that's all I'm used to, for a minute I was really confused about how the pump could be freezing. I forgot some people can get water that easily. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quoted: Quoted: Sounds like you need to drain the pump casing when the cabin's not in use. Or go with a submersible pump. Wells round here are 100-250 ft deep and that's all I'm used to, for a minute I was really confused about how the pump could be freezing. I forgot some people can get water that easily. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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I thought the same thing lol. Quoted:
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Sounds like you need to drain the pump casing when the cabin's not in use. Or go with a submersible pump. Wells round here are 100-250 ft deep and that's all I'm used to, for a minute I was really confused about how the pump could be freezing. I forgot some people can get water that easily.
Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I thought the same thing lol. we have a aquifer that fills a cistern then the pump draws from there up about 300 ft with a 20 ft incline. |
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after looking at this pump body i doubt it could take 100 psi, i cut cast iron all the time at work and seeing these pumps makes me surprised they dont spray water out of the pores. I'm pretty close to machining a new pump from solid steel and leaving the walls 1/2-3/4 thick. Quoted:
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Everybody responding is right. Those pump impeller cases probably take way more than 100psi while freezing before rupture. after looking at this pump body i doubt it could take 100 psi, i cut cast iron all the time at work and seeing these pumps makes me surprised they dont spray water out of the pores. I'm pretty close to machining a new pump from solid steel and leaving the walls 1/2-3/4 thick. Ice has a tremendous amount of power , I would work at building a well house or something below grade to keep the pump from freezing |
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Wells round here are 100-250 ft deep and that's all I'm used to, for a minute I was really confused about how the pump could be freezing. I forgot some people can get water that easily.
Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quoted:
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Sounds like you need to drain the pump casing when the cabin's not in use. Or go with a submersible pump. Wells round here are 100-250 ft deep and that's all I'm used to, for a minute I was really confused about how the pump could be freezing. I forgot some people can get water that easily.
Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile pretty much this..I had a crack in my pipe last month near the pump..A lot of pipe had to come out of the hole before I saw the pump |
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We currently have a tractor supply 1 hp well pump at my cabin. We have a problem with quick freezes here in northern michigan, So far Im out over $600 for pumps in the last 3 years from freezing and cracking. these are some of the worse castings ive seen. very coarse and thin. can anyone recommend a good well pump? Are you using a jet or a submersible ? |
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we actually have a aquifer, 32 degrees water all year long, same source as Ice mountain. It will go from 60 degree nights to 20 in the matter of 2 days, Im a little scared to leave a heat lamp or heat tape going when im not there in the fall. I guess I could probably attach a ball valve in the bottom of the pump housing to drain easily in the fall months. Quoted:
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Sounds like you need to drain the pump casing when the cabin's not in use. Or go with a submersible pump. Wells round here are 100-250 ft deep and that's all I'm used to, for a minute I was really confused about how the pump could be freezing. I forgot some people can get water that easily.
Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile we actually have a aquifer, 32 degrees water all year long, same source as Ice mountain. It will go from 60 degree nights to 20 in the matter of 2 days, Im a little scared to leave a heat lamp or heat tape going when im not there in the fall. I guess I could probably attach a ball valve in the bottom of the pump housing to drain easily in the fall months. You don't need a heat lamp, just an incandescent |
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we actually have a aquifer, 32 degrees water all year long, same source as Ice mountain. It will go from 60 degree nights to 20 in the matter of 2 days, Im a little scared to leave a heat lamp or heat tape going when im not there in the fall. I guess I could probably attach a ball valve in the bottom of the pump housing to drain easily in the fall months. Quoted:
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Sounds like you need to drain the pump casing when the cabin's not in use. Or go with a submersible pump. Wells round here are 100-250 ft deep and that's all I'm used to, for a minute I was really confused about how the pump could be freezing. I forgot some people can get water that easily.
Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile we actually have a aquifer, 32 degrees water all year long, same source as Ice mountain. It will go from 60 degree nights to 20 in the matter of 2 days, Im a little scared to leave a heat lamp or heat tape going when im not there in the fall. I guess I could probably attach a ball valve in the bottom of the pump housing to drain easily in the fall months. We used to run a similar well on an old house. Make a "Well house" around the pump. Hay bales and a tarp work in a pinch. The idea is to just create a dead air space. 40w bulb on a thermostat plug. On at 40 off at 50. A back up bulb set up similarly, is a good idea. Done. |
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We used to run a similar well on an old house. Make a "Well house" around the pump. Hay bales and a tarp work in a pinch. The idea is to just create a dead air space. 40w bulb on a thermostat plug. On at 40 off at 50. A back up bulb set up similarly, is a good idea. Done. Quoted:
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Sounds like you need to drain the pump casing when the cabin's not in use. Or go with a submersible pump. Wells round here are 100-250 ft deep and that's all I'm used to, for a minute I was really confused about how the pump could be freezing. I forgot some people can get water that easily.
Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile we actually have a aquifer, 32 degrees water all year long, same source as Ice mountain. It will go from 60 degree nights to 20 in the matter of 2 days, Im a little scared to leave a heat lamp or heat tape going when im not there in the fall. I guess I could probably attach a ball valve in the bottom of the pump housing to drain easily in the fall months. We used to run a similar well on an old house. Make a "Well house" around the pump. Hay bales and a tarp work in a pinch. The idea is to just create a dead air space. 40w bulb on a thermostat plug. On at 40 off at 50. A back up bulb set up similarly, is a good idea. Done. I'll look at going this route, its already in its own "house" insulated.ill set up a thermostat to a bulb and give this a shot. we went 20 years with the old setup and never had a issue with the pump breaking till that one finally wore out. the 2 new pumps ive put in have been a joke for strength. |
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Are you using a jet or a submersible ? Quoted:
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We currently have a tractor supply 1 hp well pump at my cabin. We have a problem with quick freezes here in northern michigan, So far Im out over $600 for pumps in the last 3 years from freezing and cracking. these are some of the worse castings ive seen. very coarse and thin. can anyone recommend a good well pump? Are you using a jet or a submersible ? Jet. the pump house is on the ground. we are only a few feet above the water table at that area. |
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I'll look at going this route, its already in its own "house" insulated.ill set up a thermostat to a bulb and give this a shot. we went 20 years with the old setup and never had a issue with the pump breaking till that one finally wore out. the 2 new pumps ive put in have been a joke for strength. Quoted:
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Sounds like you need to drain the pump casing when the cabin's not in use. Or go with a submersible pump. Wells round here are 100-250 ft deep and that's all I'm used to, for a minute I was really confused about how the pump could be freezing. I forgot some people can get water that easily.
Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile we actually have a aquifer, 32 degrees water all year long, same source as Ice mountain. It will go from 60 degree nights to 20 in the matter of 2 days, Im a little scared to leave a heat lamp or heat tape going when im not there in the fall. I guess I could probably attach a ball valve in the bottom of the pump housing to drain easily in the fall months. We used to run a similar well on an old house. Make a "Well house" around the pump. Hay bales and a tarp work in a pinch. The idea is to just create a dead air space. 40w bulb on a thermostat plug. On at 40 off at 50. A back up bulb set up similarly, is a good idea. Done. I'll look at going this route, its already in its own "house" insulated.ill set up a thermostat to a bulb and give this a shot. we went 20 years with the old setup and never had a issue with the pump breaking till that one finally wore out. the 2 new pumps ive put in have been a joke for strength. Another way to do it, is with heat tape on the inlet and outlet line, and a thermostat, plus the bulbs. When we get a good cold snap, and ground freeze starts going deep, sometimes, you'll get ice IN the pipe, from the freeze starting in the ground. Red Jacket Jet pumps USED to be good. Havn't bought a new one in like 20 years, as everything is submerged now. Still has to be better than the TSC China stuff. Good luck!! |
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after looking at this pump body i doubt it could take 100 psi, i cut cast iron all the time at work and seeing these pumps makes me surprised they dont spray water out of the pores. I'm pretty close to machining a new pump from solid steel and leaving the walls 1/2-3/4 thick. Quoted:
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Everybody responding is right. Those pump impeller cases probably take way more than 100psi while freezing before rupture. after looking at this pump body i doubt it could take 100 psi, i cut cast iron all the time at work and seeing these pumps makes me surprised they dont spray water out of the pores. I'm pretty close to machining a new pump from solid steel and leaving the walls 1/2-3/4 thick. Making a thicker pump is all well and good until you discover the new weak link in the system. Strengthening that will "weaken" every thing else, so to speak. I'd rather replace a pump than a pipe run, or a whole bunch of valves. Fuck that. ETA: What about letting the water run at a slow trickle. Heat the pipe how ever you can, but keep it moving at a slow rate. Drain it off somewhere convienant. |