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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:37:24 AM EDT
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Folks, think long and hard about this quote. <---builds his house on a hill. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:38:27 AM EDT
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The lake is higher than the gulf, right? Is water pouring out of the "bowl" into the gulf?
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:38:55 AM EDT
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600-800' ASL for SE MI.
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:40:27 AM EDT
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The place is going to be one huge toxic swamp. A giant superfund site. Just bulldoze it.
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:41:04 AM EDT
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Nope. The Gulf of Mexico is now protected from the water in New Orleans by the levee system. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:41:49 AM EDT
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You are overlooking the floods that will be coming from the Mississippi itself over the next few days/weeks.
TRG |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:42:51 AM EDT
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The tide went out.
I still vote for a big bass tournament at Lake N. Orleans in two years. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:43:15 AM EDT
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Correct, NO is lower than the Gulf and the water must be pumped out, otherwise... it goes nowhere. TRG |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:43:19 AM EDT
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You mean Pat Robertson was right....???? "In 1998, Republican icon Pat Robertson warned that hurricanes were likely to hit communities that offended God. Perhaps it was Barbour’s memo that caused Katrina, at the last moment, to spare New Orleans and save its worst flailings for the Mississippi coast." |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:44:07 AM EDT
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The storm went right up the Mississippi and Ohio river valley's, just a few more days for the water to arrive. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:45:23 AM EDT
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I love New Orleans.
And it shall be rebuilt. Get used to the idea, folks. It's an idea called...America.  Eric The(BigEasy,Himself)Hun 
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:52:42 AM EDT
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The street level in NO is lower than the gulf, but the water level isn't. If they punch a hole in the southern levy, the city should drain down to sealevel, right? Or would that cause mucho-bad currents as the lake drained "through" the city to the gulf? It would flush the Toxic Gumbo™, at least. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:53:52 AM EDT
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I love New Orleans.
And it shall be rebuilt. Get used to the idea, folks. It's an idea called...America. Eric The(BigEasy,Himself)Hun No Eric, it's stupidity to rebuild. That superfund site that was once New Orleans is toast. I really don't see how they could bring it back to what it once was. 
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Posted: 8/31/2005 9:57:22 AM EDT
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New New Orleans... or Naw Nawlins |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:00:49 AM EDT
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They would have to patch up the levies on L. Ponchatrain before you could "drain" NO to sea level. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:01:45 AM EDT
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ETH, What's with all this philosophical "We shall Overcome" stuff today. A terrible tragedy has happened, but putting NO back where it was is poor judgment, despite all the emotional attachments. Sheeesh!  Edited for spelling Nazi's. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:04:54 AM EDT
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Wrong... Lake pontchartrain, and lake new orleans are at approximately sea level, allowing for tidal flow differences. If the lake has a higher average level, it is only a slight difference. Also the southern levees do not protect the city from the gulf, they protect the city from the Mississippi River, which is HIGHER than the the lake(s). All that you would do by blowing a hole in that levee would be to partially reroute the river through the new lake New Orleans, and possibly create the 'big levee waterfalls'. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:06:27 AM EDT
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why would anyone ever want to live there?
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:07:17 AM EDT
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It would damn sure be fun to watch the looters going out to sea clutching thier laptops and jewelry. TRG |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:08:59 AM EDT
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Nonsense. The City has weathered anything and everything that's been thrown at it for almost 300 years, Son, and it will be rebuilt. From devastating fires, hurricanes, floods, race riots, occupation by a federal army, and Reconstruction. It will be rebuilt and continue in fine form.
It shall be rebuilt even better. 'It's the American Way', remember? Eric The(OldTimesThereAreNotForgotten)Hun
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:10:14 AM EDT
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I've been to nawlins' twice. I think it would make a great national land fill.
Bob |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:10:35 AM EDT
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Water world for some reason comes to mind.
wolf |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:13:04 AM EDT
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"Occupation by a federal army?"......You must be talking about the British, and the war of 1812. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:15:10 AM EDT
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Rebuild it? Fine. Move it to a new site, though. Make it a twin city with Baton Rouge. Or find a way to make it a Venice in America, as some on the board have suggested.
Building a city an average of 6 feet below sea level among three massive bodies of water is the height of stupidity. Except for RE-building it there. Many parts of NO were total hellholes, but for the most part, the people are among the friendliest in the country I have ever met, and it has a unique cultural environment I would be very sad to see lost. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:26:11 AM EDT
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No. The British Army never occupied New Orleans during the War of 1812. They were stopped by General Andrew Jackson and his troops at the Battlfield near Chalmette. The federal army occupied New Orleans beginning in 1862....until 1877. Get off the Internet and read a history book sometime. 'The only thing new in the world is the history you don't know.' ~ Harry S Truman. Eric The(Suggestive)Hun
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:33:11 AM EDT
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No hero you read a history book, one that tells you the various states weren't sovereign nations, they were part of the whole and a nation doesn't occupy itself, rendering your assertion that NO was under federal occupation a LIE. BTW, there'd have been no troops at all in NO if they hadn't thrown in with the scum that tried to destroy this country. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:34:17 AM EDT
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The thing you aren't seeing is that the city HASN'T lasted 300 years in it's current location. It used to have miles and miles of buffer swamp surrounding it, which is all gone because of the straight jacket on the mississippi that prevents it from renewing them. The mississippi delta has lost well over 1000 square miles of landmass that used to act as a protective barrier for new orleans. Plus it was once upon a time above sea level, before the levees and the pumps, but now has sunk several feet below sea level, and sill continue to sink for the foreseeable future, at a rate of 3 feet a century. Now, I appreciate the history, architecture and culture of the city as much as anyone, but the simple fact is that the city is not sustainable in its current form in its current location, no matter how much money we spend or how many times we rebuild it. It's a damn shame, but saying we'll rebuild it the same way, just bigger and better is not a viable solution, it will just make the next catastrophe worse. A 40 foot levee failing would be a lot more catastrophic than a 10 foot levee failing. No matter how tall you build the levees, no matter how sophisticated the pumping system, they will fail eventually. My personal idea is that we free up the Mississippi to do that is natural, and do what the dutch are starting to do, decide what is worth saving, save that, let the rest flood and build a floating city. Just imagine the kickass engineering job that could be done on a floating new new orleans for the money it will take to rebuild everything just the same, when we'll just have to do it all again sometime within our lifetime most likely |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:37:26 AM EDT
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Lake level is Gulf level/Sea level @ 0 meters
The Mississipi River is a lot higher.   |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:38:46 AM EDT
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Right on. The problem is the leadership of the city that turn down offers to bolster the levee system. What they need in addition are floodgates on the lakes (Borgne and Pontchaitrain) to protect against storm surge while still allowing barge traffic. Expensive but possible. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:48:40 AM EDT
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What about your post refutes that federal troops occupied New Orleans? Whatever your thoughts on the war, FEDERAL troops occupied the city, RIGHT? And you apparently haven't read enough history to learn that many of the states that agreed to be united only did so with the understanding that they could leave the union at their leisure. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 10:52:05 AM EDT
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If you had a dollar for every history book that you've likely read in the last 48 years, you likely couldn't afford a half-dozen Krispey-Kreme coughnuts! It was as 'foreign' an occupation as this country has ever seen. And it was a federal army, Krispey-Kreme Poster Boy! It even referred to itself, as such...old news to most of us, but obviously breaking news for you!
It really wouldn't have mattered, would it? Ask Maryland, who didn't throw in with the Confederacy, and yet was the first State to be occupied by 'foreign' troops.... 'The only thing new in the world is the history you don't know.' ~ Harry S Truman. Now, do you have anything to add about New Orleans? Eric The(IThoughtNot!)Hun
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Posted: 8/31/2005 11:08:56 AM EDT
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Nothing in any of ryann's posts ever refutes much of anything. It's as if he's trying to appear clueless. And doing a bang-up job doing so, I might add.
ryann would never make such an admission! It was good old American troops that occupied New Orleans, he would say. It was federal law enforcement agencies that occupied Mount Carmel, he would add.
Sir, you are obviously a graduate of a renegade institute whose faculty and students contributed mightily to a vast criminal conspiracy which went under the name of Confederate States of America! Or so, ryann might say. But we know better. Eric The(Incredible)Hun
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Posted: 8/31/2005 11:46:30 AM EDT
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yup. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 11:54:15 AM EDT
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I'd be proud, too! Eric The(Myself)Hun
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Posted: 8/31/2005 11:56:46 AM EDT
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I cant help but think that this was nature restoring the natural balance to that area and it would be the height of stupidity to pour billions into reconstruction only to have it happen all over again during the next hurricane season or even this season which is just begining! How can you pump out a bowl thats below water level on three sides anyway?
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Posted: 8/31/2005 12:33:36 PM EDT
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I refute that federal troops OCCUPIED New Orleans, based on the amazingly simple logic that you cannot OCCUPY the country you live in. Do you occupy your house? The term OCCUPY implies that they were foreign troops, when in fact they were more American than some of the vermin that tried to destroy America. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 12:38:01 PM EDT
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Are troops occupying Georgia at Ft Benning? You have such a pathetic twist on history, you're not worth arguing with. It's your arrogance and hatred of Northerners that causes you to call them Federal troops; if NO was in a Northern state, you'd be all over yourself talking shit about whats going on there. I'm out, you're too much of an energy thief to debate. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 12:48:03 PM EDT
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Really? Taking this and your next post, you see no difference between guys laying around the barracks at their assigned base and guys, say, in Iraq? What do you think they were doing? I haven't seen their orders, but I'd wager they included the phrase occupy. They weren't there because there was a base there, they were sent there during the course of a war, to hold the real estate and control the population. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 12:51:09 PM EDT
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Quick!
Someone start a USS Liberty thread. 
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Posted: 8/31/2005 12:53:18 PM EDT
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It is hard to think about...
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Posted: 8/31/2005 12:54:03 PM EDT
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Breakout the Windex margarita's and Popcorn, ETH is on a roll.
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Posted: 8/31/2005 12:57:57 PM EDT
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Of course you do. Pimps, whores, and looters. What's not to love? |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 12:59:03 PM EDT
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Umm the guys in Iraq with the US military aren't Iraqi citizens, they are occupiers of that country (and I'm glad they are, and in this case "occupier" isn't negative). The Northern troops at the end of the civil war were American citizens in their own country, hence the term occupier in my lexicon doesn't apply anymore that a National Guard callout could be labeled an occupation. Hook up with Eric the Hun, I'm sure he's got some propaganda for ya to bolster your flawed position. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 1:10:44 PM EDT
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Think about the re-run next year. Mix a hurricane with a floating city like mentioned above. WTF then? Bring in a tugboat and just move the city before the storm???? It WILL happen again. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 1:13:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/31/2005 1:18:04 PM EDT
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So...using your logic, there wasn't even really a war at all, because how can you declare or wage war on yourself?!?!?! My position is not flawed, nor does it rest on mushy tenets like "when in fact they were more American than some of the vermin that tried to destroy America." Whatever that means, it relies on YOUR interpretation, subjectively. My "flawed" position relies on the clear meaning of writings prepared at the time of the events of which I speak. You're correct, you ARE done here. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 1:28:13 PM EDT
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I believe NO will be rebuilt
But it will be rebuilt higher, and it will take DECADES to complete the rebuilding. CJ |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 1:41:19 PM EDT
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The Battle of New Orleans.
The Battle of New Orleans Music and lyrics by Jimmy Driftwood In 1814 we took a little trip along with Colonel Jackson down the mighty Mississip. We took a little bacon and we took a little beans And we caught the bloody British in the town of New Orleans. We fired our guns and the British kept a'comin. There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago. We fired once more and they began to runnin' on down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico. We looked down the river and we seed the British come. And there must have been a hundred of'em beatin' on the drum. They stepped so high and they made the bugles ring. We stood by our cotton bales and didn't say a thing. We fired our guns and the British kept a'comin. There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago. We fired once more and they began to runnin' on down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico. Old Hickory said we could take 'em by surprise If we didn't fire our muskets til we looked 'em in the eye We held our fire til we seed their faces well. then we opened up with squirrel guns And really gave 'em ... well ~~~ We fired our guns and the British kept a'comin. There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago. We fired once more and they began to runnin' on down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico. Yeah, they ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles And they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go. They ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em on down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico. We fired our cannon til the barrel melted down. So we grabbed an alligator and we fought another round. We filled his head with cannon balls and powdered his behind and when we touched the powder off, the gator lost his mind. We fired our guns and the British kept a'comin. There wasn't nigh as many as there was a while ago. We fired once more and they began to runnin' on down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico. Yeah, they ran through the briars and they ran through the brambles and they ran through the bushes where a rabbit couldn't go. they ran so fast that the hounds couldn't catch 'em on down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico. Hup 2, 3, 4. Sound off 3, 4.... Hup 2, 3, 4. Sound off 3, 4.... Hup 2, 3, 4 
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Posted: 8/31/2005 1:47:41 PM EDT
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"My "flawed" position relies on the clear meaning of writings prepared at the time of the events of which I speak...." Oh yeah, and the writings you refer to are, I'm sure, shining beacons of objectivity. You are correct, I'm done here as my work is complete. |
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Posted: 8/31/2005 1:49:00 PM EDT
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You beat me to it. |
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