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Steyr, lets not go destroying stereo-types shall we??? Everyone knows the Communists heroically stood against "The Great Satan"....

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You gotta admit that the guy they have playin him looks like a creepy little worm of a man.

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Sadly this movie is simply a combination of every other less than accurate portrayal of Hitler and his rise to power only with more propoganda tossed in. Of course I don't know why I had higher expectations for a CBS production.

It is too bad a real production house like HBO Pictures didn't take on this project. The movie "Stalin" and the series "Band Of Brothers" were nothing less than amazing. Their attention to historical detail and accuracy would have resulted in a much better final product.

CBS-Viacom merger redefines Jewish role in media
J.J. GOLDBERG

Bulletin Correspondent


There was a telling moment, midway through last week's press conference announcing the CBS-Viacom megamerger, when one of the unmentionables of American entertainment peeked through the veils for an instant.

It came when a reporter asked CBS president Mel Karmazin why he wanted this merger. His reply: "This is the deal I've wanted to make, I think, from the time I was bar-mitzvahed."

The reporters laughed nervously. Nobody commented afterward. Nobody would have brought it up if Karmazin hadn't. It's one of those inside jokes you don't usually tell in public.

Americans consider it downright rude to talk publicly about Jewish ownership in the media. Marlon Brando mentioned it two years ago on "Larry King Live" and nearly got lynched. Three years earlier, journalist William Cash caused an international uproar with a scathing 1994 article about Jewish influence in Hollywood in the Spectator, a British newsweekly. It's just not something you discuss in conventional society.

But Karmazin isn't conventional. The son of a New York cabdriver, he was a fast-talking ad salesman who built his own radio network, Infinity Broadcasting, best known as the home of shock-jocks Howard Stern and Don Imus. CBS bought Infinity 1996. Two years later Karmazin took over CBS.

Karmazin is a throwback to an older era of seat-of-the-pants, shoot-from-the-hip Jewish media entrepreneurs. "He's always refreshingly straightforward about who he is," says a friend.

"He's doesn't make a big deal of his Jewishness, but he's right out there with it."

How Jewish is that? It's hard to find out. Sought for an interview last Friday after the merger, Karmazin had left early for Rosh Hashanah.

Karmazin's new boss, Viacom Chairman Sumner Redstone, is cut from similar cloth. Son of a nightclub owner -- his father changed the family name from Rothstein -- he built a chain of movie theaters and in 1987 took over Viacom, an also-ran cable-and-syndication company.

He has turned it into one of the biggest forces in Hollywood, acquiring Paramount Pictures, MTV and much more. But he never joined the Tinseltown set. He won't even move out of his hometown, Boston, where he's a major donor to the local Jewish federation.

The CBS-Viacom marriage is the biggest media merger in history. It combines two Hollywood giants to form America's second biggest media company. It's also an historic milestone in the long, complicated relationship between Hollywood and the Jews. They're coming back to Hollywood's boardrooms, after a lengthy exile.

Jewish media ownership is a sturdy myth, but only partly true. Yes, Jews "invented Hollywood."

A generation of immigrant Jewish entrepreneurs -- Sam Goldwyn, Jack and Harry Warner, Louis B. Mayer and others -- built a multibillion-dollar dream factory. A later generation of Jewish entrepreneurs created the broadcast networks: William Paley's CBS, David Sarnoff's NBC and Leonard Goldenson's ABC.

But those Jews died years ago. The Hollywood lampooned by Cash in 1994 was no longer owned by Jews.The only exceptions were Warner Bros., bought in 1969 by Jewish parking-lot mogul Steve Ross.

In 1990 Ross merged his Warner Communications with Time Inc. to create Time Warner, the world's biggest media company. Ross died two years later and was succeeded as chairman by a little-known Time Inc. executive, Gerald Levin, who had once considered a rabbinic career.

Levin represents a new breed of media mogul. Technically he's not a mogul at all, since he doesn't own the company he manages. But he's so powerful and so well paid that the management-ownership distinction fades.

Levin isn't the first of the breed. First was Michael Eisner, chairman of Walt Disney Co. Eisner was hired by Disney -- the only Hollywood studio actually founded by a non-Jew -- in 1985, when Walt's children lost the company in a hostile takeover.

The new owner, Walt's nephew Roy, had been forced out of the family business after Walt's death in 1966. He returned with a largely Jewish management team, a rich irony at a company long regarded as anti-Semitic.

Now, after all the deals and buyouts, four of the five mega-media companies are run by Jews. We're back where we started, bigger than ever.

Does it matter? It does if you're an anti-Semitic conspiracy nut. You'd be wrong.

But there was a Jewishness in the dreams spun by the old Jewish media moguls.

The new Jewish moguls dream similar dreams.

It's no accident that Rupert Murdoch, the only non-Jew in the group, is also the only political conservative. He's also the only one who risks company money to promote his beliefs. The others spend most of their time making deals.

Too bad Murdoch didn't have a bar mitzvah.


The writer is a N.Y.-based columnist and author of "Jewish Power: Inside the American Jewish Establishment."

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Anti-semetic. This one will head south. IBTL!!!!!

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I didn't watch it.  Frankly, I'm sick of movies and "documentaries" about Hitler and the Nazis.  There was a time when that's about all the History Channel ran.  It was so bad, I began calling it the Hitler Channel.

We could use a little more coverage of the good guys.  Fuck Hitler and Stalin.

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This is especially hilarious given that his Grandfather was jewish (which ironically is enough for Hitler to have been legally a jew by nazi standards).

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Do [u]you[/u] know this as a fact?

Or is it simply more anti-Jewish BS?

I mean, it's the most extreme bit of [i][b]irony[/b][/i] that such a statement, if true, would produce, but it also is a silent indictment of Jews, that [u]they[/u] could somehow have produced the monster that became Hitler!

I find no credence at all in the Shickelgruber story.

And Shickelgruber certainly never conducted himself as if he were Hitler's Grandfather, [i][b]nicht wahr?[/b][/i]

So, whatever impact or influence he had on Hitler, even admitting the consanguinity, was surely minimal.

I just hate seeing the Shickelgrubers get such bad press!

Eric The(Disbelieving)Hun[>]:)]

Nobody can prove for a fact that Hitlers grandfather (fathers side) was jewish because one of the first acts Hitler did in Austria was designate his grandfathers town a artillery target range and the building that housed the records was destroyed.

The general consensus of opinion is Hitlers grandfather (fathers side) was jewish and Hitler knew it and that motivated him to destroy the only records of such.

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Post from SteyrAUG -

'Nobody can prove for a fact', I think, says it all.

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Can anyone imagine the meticulous Germans or Austrians permitting official records which would have included those records supporting others folks' claims for Aryan ancestry to be so purposefully destroyed?

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Hitler would simply have had the Gestapo visit the archives and remove whatever damning records may have been found there.

Had there been any damning records located there, at all.

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I don't think that that is the 'general consensus of opinion' at all!

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There were rumors hinting that Hitler's grandfather was Jewish. Few, if any, of the reputable historians believe that this is so.

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It is much more likely that Hitler tried to keep the murky history of his family quite secret because there was a high incidence of [u]insanity[/u] and [u]feeble-mindedness[/u] among his ancestors.

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Rumors die hard, though.

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One of Hitler's henchmen, Hans Frank, declared during the Nuremberg Trials in 1945-46, that Hitler's grandmother had worked in the town of Graz as a servant in the home of a Jewish family named Frankenberger. He further claimed that she was seduced by the head of the household and that Hitler's grandfather was the result of that liaison.

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A subsequent analysis of Frank's statement by Simon Wiesenthal disclosed that there was no evidence of any Jewish family named Frankenberger ever living in Graz. What is more, Jews had been driven out of Graz in the 15th century and had not been allowed to return until 1856, nearly twenty years [u]after[/u] Hitler's grandfather had been born.

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Hitler's grandmother's maiden name was Schickelgruber. There is considerable evidence that this family produced abnormal progeny. Examples are: one of Hitler's relatives through his mother's side committed suicide in 1920, another, Aloisha had been placed in an insane asylum, another was "feeble-minded," and yet another was retarded.

According to the article from which I am quoting this material:

"Hitler's real fear, then, was [u]not[/u] that someone would discover that he has a Jewish grandfather, but that it would someday come to light that he carried a hereditary disposition toward mental illness and retardation."

(from "Hitler's Family Secret: A file recovered from the Nazi Archives tells of a Gestapo investigation into the Fuehrer's murky family history" by Ben S. Swearingen, [b]Civilization: The Magazine of the Library of Congress[/b] Volume 2, Number 2, April 1995, pp. 54-55.)

The best research on the issue is by Werner Maser in his book [b]Hitler: Legend, Myth & Reality[/b]. After exhaustive research, he concludes very convincingly that Hitler was NOT part Jewish. Check out chapter 1 of the book if you want [u]all[/u] the details.

It is quite exhaustive, be forewarned!

Eric The(Historical)Hun[>]:)]

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BTW, do you also believe that Thomas Jefferson fathered illegitimate children by his slave, Sally Hemmings?

There may be at least some medical evidence, at least, to believe this.

But I don't believe it in the least!

Eric The('TheGoodIsOftInterredWithTheBones')Hun[>]:)]

The most recent source I'm aware of was a 2 hour History Channel documentary (considered the most comprehensive and accurate so far) and I'd be more than happy to provide a copy to you.

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Haven't seen the thing, just a full-page ad for it on the frontpage of the TV insert in the local fishwrapper, and all I can say is this is the goofiest looking Hitler I've ever seen. Even John Cleese looked better in that role.

Historian Kershaw quits as American TV calls his Book on Hitler too boring

By Emma Hartley

SIR Ian Kershaw, the award-winning biographer of Adolf Hitler, has walked out on a new drama about the rise of the German dictator following a series of disagreements over the project's historical accuracy. Sir Ian, whose acclaimed biography Hitler: 1889-1936 was to have formed the basis of the CBS mini-series starring Robert Carlyle as the Führer, has withdrawn all co-operation from the programme and asked for his name to be removed from the credits.

The series' producers have admitted that Sir Ian left the project because they wanted to make it more dramatic than his book and add new characters. CBS, the American network which is funding the drama, has suggested that his biography was simply too dry to turn into compulsive prime-time drama.

Leslie Moonves, the President of CBS, was more succinct in explaining why the series was no longer directly based on Hubris: "The Kershaw book was an academic piece," he said. "It was quite dry. We needed more incidents." The comments are a far cry from last year, when Ed Gernon, the co-producer of the £14 million series, said that he and CBS were committed to producing a historically accurate rather than sensationalist portrait of Hitler and that using Sir Ian's books would ensure that this would happen.

"We wanted to make sure we had the most unimpeachable source material," Gernon said. "It took quite a bit of convincing to get this scholar from England to let an American network use his book to make this."

Sir Ian has refused to give detailed reasons for the ending of his relationship with the programme or comment on suggestions that he had been angered by the producers' attempts to over-dramatise his work. In a statement last week, he said only:

[i]"I took the decision some months ago to withdraw from any connection with the mini-series. I have not fallen out with the production company but have had no dealings with them since I withdrew."[/i]

Sir Ian's withdrawal from the CBS production comes only months after Rupert Murdoch's Fox Television network pulled the plug on a similar film about Hitler, based on a script by William Boyd, because they feared it was too sympathetic to the dictator.

As The Telegraph revealed in December, the network pulled out of the co-production with the BBC following criticism by prominent Jewish writers and campaigners in the US. Mr Boyd, the acclaimed author of Brazzaville Beach and A Good Man In Africa, told this newspaper:

[i]"The Americans lost their nerve after a number of people who had not read what I had written passed judgment on it."[/i]

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You really don't think they could make an accurate movie about Hitler in our enlightened age.  THAT would qualify as a horror movie, how easy it was to happen and how rational each step was, and for what good reasons.

First off, Hitler was not crazy until the very end (perhaps).

[red]It is odd - Hitler was no more antisemetic before ww1, according to his fellow soldiers, than anyone else was.

The large majority of Bolshevik leaders were Jewish, and fighting Bolshivist revolutionaries meant fighting Jews.  Not much of a leap in logic, and noone in old Europe needed much of a reason to hate Jews in the first place.[/red]

I hate that - the modern tendancy to paint communists as more progressive Liberals.  Especially in the 1919 - 1930's timeframe.

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I catagorically deny any involvement with any slaves, however I will humbly admit I like my women like my coffee..........

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I suspect you'll take som faak over this. It's true. Jews are overwhelmingly Communist/Socialist in their politics. Some say Marx was a Jew. Most of the old bolsheviks were jews.

Marx was a German of Jewish origin who lived much of his life in exile in France and Great Britain.