[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Waaa (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/10/2015 12:51:52 PM EDT
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F*&# this stupid system. First I get a Magpul SL carbine handguard, has some stupid piece of plastic in the front that doesn't allow mounting on a carbine barrel with a sling swivel and/or bayonet lug FSB, like the MOE I was taking off. No research brought this to light before purchasing, but the argument can be made that I should have looked a lot longer at it, but 35 bucks wasn't a great loss.
Next I get an ALG EMR 10" M-Lok for a build, says it comes with NO rail pieces, fine, I purchase M-Lok 5 and 7 slot rails from Amazon to go with this POS. 5 slot rail, rear screw scrapes the living shit out of a new VLTOR gas block. So I install a 7 slot rail, no problems mate, screw well away from gas block, screw still a little long, hits gas tube, but that could easily be solved by a slightly shorter screw, but fucking then, and this is the insidious part of this entire fucking mess, MAGPUL M-Lok rails are TOO GODDAMN HIGH for co-witness with an M4 flat top receiver. Only then do you find out, because they mention it FUCKING NOWHERE, ALG makes a M-Lok Co-Witness shorter-than-Magpul rail, but the fucker is only 5 slots and I gotta have 7. TL;DR: Fuck M-Lok Fuck ALG sorry but still a little: MOTHERFUCKER!! 
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That's nice dear. Maybe you should get a dickmod?
With your feedback, you should know what to do with stuff you're not going to use. ALG has a Mlok that has a rail section machines in for a fixed or flip FSB. Then you should be more carful installing your accessories so you don't fuck your own gun up. That's not Mloks problem. That's you bro. |
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yeah, well, fuck
now I gotta heat this fucking gas block to get the red lock tite off the clamp on gas block so it can come back off, and take it all back apart I was dreaming of shooting this thing tomorrow, and dammit ALG should just include the co-witness rail and up the damned price. You'd be rather pissed too at this point |
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yeah, well, fuck now I gotta heat this fucking gas block to get the red lock tite off the clamp on gas block so it can come back off, and take it all back apart I was dreaming of shooting this thing tomorrow, and dammit ALG should just include the co-witness rail and up the damned price. You'd be rather pissed too at this point No. No I wouldn't. I try to research parts pretty well before purchasing. If I can't find answers, I'll call the manufacture before buying them. Then if I fuck my parts up, I don't go blaming the parts bitching about it on Arfcom. I fix it, be happy, and move on with life... I've broken 10s of thousands of dollars in parts and equipment in my life. I wouldn't cry over a few gun parts. 
ALG is coming out with a bunch more stuff. Call them to see if they have the rail section you need. |
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So you're mad because you can't read good and your shits all fucked up? I can read fine, my problem is none of this shit is printed anywhere. You gotta spend the damned money to find out. It's not like a Vltor lopro gas block is exceptionally high, any lopro block would have an issue, and you don't mount a 10" rail on a mid gas system, so every carbine this got mounted on would have an issue. Somebody knows this at ALG. Fuck it, I'm outta here, make fun of me all you want. |
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Quoted: I can read fine, my problem is none of this shit is printed anywhere. You gotta spend the damned money to find out. Fuck it, I'm outta here, make fun of me all you want. Quoted: Quoted: So you're mad because you can't read good and your shits all fucked up? I can read fine, my problem is none of this shit is printed anywhere. You gotta spend the damned money to find out. Fuck it, I'm outta here, make fun of me all you want. |
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I can read fine, my problem is none of this shit is printed anywhere. You gotta spend the damned money to find out. Fuck it, I'm outta here, make fun of me all you want. Quoted:
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So you're mad because you can't read good and your shits all fucked up? I can read fine, my problem is none of this shit is printed anywhere. You gotta spend the damned money to find out. Fuck it, I'm outta here, make fun of me all you want. They have phones and email. Contact ALG and ask them what rail hieght you need. Then ask if they'll supply what you need. I've contacted tons of gun manufactures about parts. Most all of them have been very helpful and made buying parts easy. Even the larger companies like DPMS and Bushmaster have emailed me back about $3 parts. And the smaller companies, I many times can talk to the owners. When I've decided what I want, I'll purchase what will work well for me, and from site sponcors that are supporting their parts. 
GD will be very tender with you I'm sure. |
I feel for you OP. Something very similar happened to me last year. I purchased a new Rossi beak action .223 that i had planned to use as a long range sniper rifle. Took it out of the box and it would not even chamber the .50bmg ammo i had bought for it and i would have had to take it to a gun smith to even mount my Schmidt & Bender. Nothing in the documentation from Rossi indicated that i would have these problems. 
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I can read fine, my problem is none of this shit is printed anywhere. You gotta spend the damned money to find out. It's not like a Vltor lopro gas block is exceptionally high, any lopro block would have an issue, and you don't mount a 10" rail on a mid gas system, so every carbine this got mounted on would have an issue. Somebody knows this at ALG. Fuck it, I'm outta here, make fun of me all you want. Quoted:
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So you're mad because you can't read good and your shits all fucked up? I can read fine, my problem is none of this shit is printed anywhere. You gotta spend the damned money to find out. It's not like a Vltor lopro gas block is exceptionally high, any lopro block would have an issue, and you don't mount a 10" rail on a mid gas system, so every carbine this got mounted on would have an issue. Somebody knows this at ALG. Fuck it, I'm outta here, make fun of me all you want. Are you sure? Quoted:this is the insidious part of this entire fucking mess, MAGPUL M-Lok rails are TOO GODDAMN HIGH for co-witness with an M4 flat top receiver. Only then do you find out, because they mention it FUCKING NOWHERE, ALG makes a M-Lok Co-Witness shorter-than-Magpul rail, but the fucker is only 5 slots and I gotta have 7. |
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Quoted: MOE SL, they are not the same as MOE Quoted: Quoted: What are you even talking about? Thousands of people have MOE and SLR handguards on guns that have a FSB with the sling swivel and bayonet lug. MOE SL, they are not the same as MOE  |
| Am I to understand that you intend to mount a sight on a plastic rail screwed into a plastic handguard? When you say the new Magpul handguard is incompatible with a bayonet lug and sling swivel, it just covers those things up, right? I had similar issues with mounting a forward grip on a Troy Alpha Battle Rail. |
| There are going to be issues with early adopters until most of the M-Lok products hit the shelves. ALG didn't even make their first gen rail to the proper specs and now they have a new rail addressing the OP's issue. I had a gas block clearance issues with a hand stop on my SLR m-lok, ended up having to set the nut in place then run the screw in kind of defeating the point of easy installation. |
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Why do you need 7 slots specifically to co-witness on the ALG? He doesn't. His non-ALG M-Lok 5 slot rail section screws came into contact with his gas block. His solution was to use a 7 slot rail section, but then the screw came into contact with the gas tube. I think. The correct solution would be to calm the fuck down and buy the correctly dimensioned rails sections from ALG, but the OP is having a pity party and his gun is reduced to a pile of incompatible parts. |
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ALG EMR 12'oclack rail business is sort of fucked up, I'm surprised Magpul let them mark the EMR as M-Lok. Not only do you have to have a low profile rail section to co-witness it has to be a non-standard one that fits on a 2" diameter and not a flat. That said I've got an EMR and I'm happy about it aside from the rail being .325" too long IHMO, but I'm not running any buis and I'm mounting the light on the side. |
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He doesn't. His non-ALG M-Lok 5 slot rail section screws came into contact with his gas block. His solution was to use a 7 slot rail section, but then the screw came into contact with the gas tube. I think. The correct solution would be to calm the fuck down and buy the correctly dimensioned rails sections from ALG, but the OP is having a pity party and his gun is reduced to a pile of incompatible parts. Quoted:
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Why do you need 7 slots specifically to co-witness on the ALG? He doesn't. His non-ALG M-Lok 5 slot rail section screws came into contact with his gas block. His solution was to use a 7 slot rail section, but then the screw came into contact with the gas tube. I think. The correct solution would be to calm the fuck down and buy the correctly dimensioned rails sections from ALG, but the OP is having a pity party and his gun is reduced to a pile of incompatible parts. I reread it, and while I might have suffered a small seizure trying to decode his message it does seem he wanted 7 up top. Either way I agree with your latter point. 
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This brings up another point in the KeyMod v. M-LOK debate. KeyMod nuts and screws are generally much lower profile on the inside of the rail than M-LOK is, reducing the chance of issues such as the screws running into gas blocks. That said IIRC the instructions for the ALG EMR or its M-LOK co-witness rail warns of this. |
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The info is out there.
Magpul MOE Slim Line (SL) M-LOK Hand Guard Review |
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I can read fine, my problem is none of this shit is printed anywhere. You gotta spend the damned money to find out. It's not like a Vltor lopro gas block is exceptionally high, any lopro block would have an issue, and you don't mount a 10" rail on a mid gas system, so every carbine this got mounted on would have an issue. Somebody knows this at ALG. Fuck it, I'm outta here, make fun of me all you want. Quoted:
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So you're mad because you can't read good and your shits all fucked up? I can read fine, my problem is none of this shit is printed anywhere. You gotta spend the damned money to find out. It's not like a Vltor lopro gas block is exceptionally high, any lopro block would have an issue, and you don't mount a 10" rail on a mid gas system, so every carbine this got mounted on would have an issue. Somebody knows this at ALG. Fuck it, I'm outta here, make fun of me all you want. Sounds like a challenge... 
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I might have an ALG 10" M-lok I could part with.
Thanks for all the kind words 
the screw touching the gas tube could have been dealt with, but the Magpul alum. rail is not the same height as the receiver when mounted, and the correct custom rail, available from ALG, is a 5 slot and will hit the gas block, so no solution for the weekend. I'm over it, and if you can't vent in this forum, well where else. |
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I will say one thing Magpul makes some NASTY looking hand guards in my opinion.
Hell I quit buying their stocks because most of them don't lock up tight. Especially their STR 
Seems like their cheap ones without any storage do lock up nice. They make great Mags though! 
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I will say one thing Magpul makes some NASTY looking hand guards in my opinion. Hell I quit buying their stocks because most of them don't lock up tight. Especially their STR
Seems like their cheap ones without any storage do lock up nice. They make great Mags though! Shut yo mouth
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Shut yo mouth
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff206/devtucker/IMG_20141108_152505_685.jpg Quoted:
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I will say one thing Magpul makes some NASTY looking hand guards in my opinion. Hell I quit buying their stocks because most of them don't lock up tight. Especially their STR
Seems like their cheap ones without any storage do lock up nice. They make great Mags though! Shut yo mouth
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff206/devtucker/IMG_20141108_152505_685.jpg I saw your toy posted in another thread. I like the toy. But just big a fan of Magpuls hand guards. Just personal opinion! 
I'd be willing to try one of those stocks though. |