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Posted: 10/2/2004 10:38:36 AM EST
Regarding the recently locked thread, I was wondering if it was allowed for me to post a pic of my grandfather standing next to his B17 which has nose art that shows........A NIPPLE !!!
But I already know the answer.
The pic I have framed on my wall along with others that my kids see and anyone else who comes in can see is not fit to post here.
Pics of some of our greatest warriors and greatest planes would not be welcome here.
Grow up you weenies, its a part of our history, a history I'm proud of.

IBPC
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 10:39:40 AM EST
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Link Posted: 10/2/2004 10:46:45 AM EST
I am ashamed that somewhere along the line the Air corp decided it was OK to paint huge obscene murals on government aircraft. I like modern aircraft better. My kids can actually go see them. If I wouldn't allow my children to hear a verbal description of the "ART" why would I let them see it?!Planerench out.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 10:48:26 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 10:48:39 AM EST
I love the nose art and used to have a coffe table book on it. It shows American arrogance to the extreme
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 10:50:15 AM EST
So basically what the "COC" is saying is that the pic of my grandfather would be considered pornography.
Thats good to know.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 10:54:38 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/2/2004 10:59:11 AM EST by EricTheHun]
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 10:54:55 AM EST

Originally Posted By Planerench:
I am ashamed that somewhere along the line the Air corp decided it was OK to paint huge obscene murals on government aircraft. I like modern aircraft better. My kids can actually go see them. If I wouldn't allow my children to hear a verbal description of the "ART" why would I let them see it?!Planerench out.



I think that's why they 'disbanded' the AAF and started the AF in 47. It was part of the reorg after the shake up that occured when it was revealed that the AAF 'humiliated and disrepected' women in such as manner. To think they used them as, as, as............sex objects simply to help keep up morale.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 10:58:25 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 11:04:48 AM EST
I suppose some of you wouldn't let your children see the statue of Venus or other greek art. You won't be taking them to any art museums either I guess.
FIG LEAFS FOR ALL !!!!
The pussification of America continues.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 11:06:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By EricTheHun:
Post from thompsondd -

I think that's why they 'disbanded' the AAF and started the AF in 47. It was part of the reorg after the shake up that occured when it was revealed that the AAF 'humiliated and disrepected' women in such as manner. To think they used them as, as, as............sex objects simply to help keep up morale.

I can assure you that was NOT the reason, at all.

'Obscene' nose art continued into Korea, Vietnam, and Gulf War I, although I am not certain it is present today.

Let these young men be young men, fercryingoutloud.

Eric The(ReasonableInAllThings)Hun



Remember the pic of the "interesting" desert khaki and brown camo pattern on a Super Stallion from Kandahar that was circulated a few years back... It's still there, just not as obvious.

I also remember some non-sexual nose art. At an airshow a week before 9-11, I saw a tanker with the slogan "When its time to Kick Ass, We Pass Gas"
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 11:12:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
The pussification of America continues.



+1

Link Posted: 10/2/2004 11:13:33 AM EST

Originally Posted By dave223:

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
The pussification of America continues.



+1




+2
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 11:13:43 AM EST

Originally Posted By thompsondd:
I think that's why they 'disbanded' the AAF and started the AF in 47. It was part of the reorg after the shake up that occured when it was revealed that the AAF 'humiliated and disrepected' women in such as manner. To think they used them as, as, as............sex objects simply to help keep up morale.


Thanks, I needed a laugh......

Yeah, keep thinking that.....
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 11:18:43 AM EST

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
Regarding the recently locked thread, I was wondering if it was allowed for me to post a pic of my grandfather standing next to his B17 which has nose art that shows........A NIPPLE !!!
But I already know the answer.
The pic I have framed on my wall along with others that my kids see and anyone else who comes in can see is not fit to post here.
Pics of some of our greatest warriors and greatest planes would not be welcome here.
Grow up you weenies, its a part of our history, a history I'm proud of.

IBPC



From the CoC: "Nudity includes any photo which contains a clear view of genitalia or female nipples."

I don't believe "Nose Art" qualifies as a photo. It's a painting (art). What do you think?

Link Posted: 10/2/2004 11:21:20 AM EST
Can we get a Sr. Staff or Goat ruling on this? Or has that already been done?

Link Posted: 10/2/2004 11:22:27 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 11:24:38 AM EST

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
want to know why i locked the thread just ask.

I have watched members accounts get locked for pics not as bad as those. Hell i was demoted over some pics that showed less than that. I'd much prefer to lock the thread and not have a team members account locked.

For the record i Im'd vito and told him the exact reason i locked the thread. He was fine with it. Several of the mods and staff fought DAMN hard not long ago to get some things eased up here in GD. I don't want to see those changes undone.

jmho

mike



Thanks, TBS. Good to know.

Link Posted: 10/2/2004 11:24:45 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 11:30:33 AM EST

Originally Posted By Wolfpack:
A NIPPLE!!!!!! ARE YOU INSANE MAN??!!!!!!!







Madness I tell you! Nipples?!


Such embodiment of evil was never seen in such a delicious pink perky nubbin that melts in your mouth.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 11:39:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
...The pussification of America continues.


You are absolutely correct!

However, pussification includes people who whine because they can’t have their own way!!
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 11:40:04 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/2/2004 11:40:51 AM EST by Admiral_Crunch]

Originally Posted By Who_Me:
From the CoC: "Nudity includes any photo which contains a clear view of genitalia or female nipples."

I don't believe "Nose Art" qualifies as a photo. It's a painting (art). What do you think?



Well, technically, it is a photo containing nipples. It's a photo of a painting that has nipples.

Seriously, though, I can understand that not being kosher in the thread. I think a link with a warning would be fine though.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 11:42:01 AM EST

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:

i agree with the above but staff has made the ruling in the past. If they decide to change the ruling and unlock thread i'd be a happy person.

mike




Jeeze, I go away for a week and what happens, a brother Brit makes an unfortunate mistake, hope ya didn't get/deserve too severe a smackdown mate!

Any chance we could just re-open the thread and make sure there was nothing there that contravened the CofC? Or would that fall foul of the CofC for dupes, or just invite trouble because somebody would post the offending images again?

Cheers,
/PHil
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 11:44:38 AM EST
Should lock this thread too:

www.jobrelatedstuff.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=280186


Nipples is nipples, male or female.


I wonder why the CoC makes a specific prohibition against female nipples, but male nipples are apparently okay?
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 11:45:28 AM EST
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Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:28:34 PM EST
Since pictures of real American history ist verboten. Perhaps a new thread with all the "naughty bits" fuzzed censored out would be politically correct as not offend the girlie men.

I am curious though since a painting on a war bird of a topless fem with a dragon wrapped around her is not good. Is a "tool shot" on a web sites logo not good also?
perhaps a pic of a reciprocating air too is pushing the limit too. lets find out
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:32:02 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:42:20 PM EST

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
speaking of tools .....





You have a twisted sense of humor i like that.

But i really do think that the CoC is applied with too wide a brush on occasion.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 12:50:24 PM EST

Originally Posted By DVDTracker:
This B-24 Liberator, "Dragon and His Tail", is seen at airshows around the country. It hasn't been PC'ed yet.

If you want to find larger, non-CoC pics, go here. www.lifelibertyetc.com/MemorialDay2004.aspx

www.mucheswarbirds.com/image60.jpg




Outstanding pic !!
I just love the old warbirds.
But, sorry.....IBPC !!
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 5:14:32 PM EST
I think the CoC ought to be 'policy', ie flexible, instead of totaly rigid.

A nipple on a nose art picture isn't like a centerfold.

One's history, the other can easily be defined as porn.

Grey's Anatomy isn't porn.

Pic, out
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 5:22:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By piccolo:
I think the CoC ought to be 'policy', ie flexible, instead of totaly rigid.

A nipple on a nose art picture isn't like a centerfold.

One's history, the other can easily be defined as porn.

Grey's Anatomy isn't porn.

Pic, out



Please don't bring the voice of reason into this.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 5:22:04 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/2/2004 5:23:32 PM EST by Leisure_Shoot]
Yes, nose art still exists...

click for big picture..
B1 bomber...


Link Posted: 10/2/2004 5:38:46 PM EST

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
I suppose some of you wouldn't let your children see the statue of Venus or other greek art. You won't be taking them to any art museums either I guess.
FIG LEAFS FOR ALL !!!!
The pussification of America continues.



My girls can kick most boy's asses. There is an acceptable level of sexuality for public display. Some spread eagle overly endowed nude with a bomb between her legs is not a simple dipiction of a unclothed human form such as a Venus. Get real. Pussification indeed. Planerench out.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 5:50:46 PM EST

Originally Posted By Planerench:

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
I suppose some of you wouldn't let your children see the statue of Venus or other greek art. You won't be taking them to any art museums either I guess.
FIG LEAFS FOR ALL !!!!
The pussification of America continues.



My girls can kick most boy's asses. There is an acceptable level of sexuality for public display. Some spread eagle overly endowed nude with a bomb between her legs is not a simple dipiction of a unclothed human form such as a Venus. Get real. Pussification indeed. Planerench out.



And how many of these overly endowed are actually on public display ??
If I were to start a thread here showing WWII nose art including some of those nudies, it would now be locked. Same if I were to start a thread about classic art of the world in which there were nude statues or paintings.
The point of this thread wasn't to allow public nudity or pornography, rather to point out that certain objects of art or history are all lumped together as if it were pornography.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 6:02:13 PM EST
You know, instead of bitchin about the rules and busting the mods' & staffs' balls why don't you guys slam the immature asswipes that negate the ability of the application of discretion?

Link Posted: 10/2/2004 6:06:28 PM EST
I think someone is getting kind of picky when he picks on B-17 nose art. The AAF lost 60 in one raid at Schweinfurt and 69 on a Berlin raid, they each had a crew of ten.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 6:11:56 PM EST

Originally Posted By Planerench:
I am ashamed that somewhere along the line the Air corp decided it was OK to paint huge obscene murals on government aircraft. I like modern aircraft better. My kids can actually go see them. If I wouldn't allow my children to hear a verbal description of the "ART" why would I let them see it?!Planerench out.





You do realize the some of the first things kids see/touch/taste are nipples...

<­BR>...!
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 6:21:41 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/2/2004 6:36:48 PM EST by Ramjet]

Originally Posted By thompsondd:

Originally Posted By Planerench:
I am ashamed that somewhere along the line the Air corp decided it was OK to paint huge obscene murals on government aircraft. I like modern aircraft better. My kids can actually go see them. If I wouldn't allow my children to hear a verbal description of the "ART" why would I let them see it?!Planerench out.



I think that's why they 'disbanded' the AAF and started the AF in 47. It was part of the reorg after the shake up that occured when it was revealed that the AAF 'humiliated and disrepected' women in such as manner. To think they used them as, as, as............sex objects simply to help keep up morale.



In the hundreds upon hundreds of books that I have in my personal library on the United States Airforce and the Army Air Force, I have never read or heard of such a statement.

The creation of the United States Airforce was a natural progession spearheaded by General Spatz I believe. I'd have to dig to get the facts correctly.

Your comment is in jest correct?

EDIT------------------------------------

Here you go. Took me a few minutes.

Almost from the beginning of military aviation in the U.S., some men such as Billy Mitchell had urged the creation of a separate air force. During WW II, the AAF was almost independent from the Army, but this was only a temporary wartime situation. However, experience gained during the war had shown that an air arm independent and co-equal with the Army and Navy could perform satisfactorily.

After months of inter-service and congressional negotiations and compromise, on July 26, 1947 President Harry S. Truman on board the presidental aircraft "Sacred Cow" signed the National Security Act of 1947. The measure established an independent Air Force for "offensive and defensive air operations" and placed the Army, Navy, and Air Force on an equal level under a civilian Secretary of Defense. The Department of the Air Force began operating as a separate entity on Sep. 18, 1947 at which time W. Stuart Symington was sworn in as the first Secretary of the Air Force. General Carl Spaatz, WW II commander of U.S. Strategic Air Forces in Europe and in the Pacific, was named the first USAF Chief of Staff.

This is The Pen with which President Truman signed the N.S.A.

President Truman's signed statement indicating the Sacred Cow as the place where he created the United States Air Force.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 6:26:39 PM EST
It completely blows my mind that the Staff/Mods cannot make a distinction between pictures of some REAL LIFE woman showing her privates to a camera and true pictures of WW2 noseART ....

WW2 NOSE ART IS NOT PORNOGRAPHY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!!!!!

Geez, this is completely getting out of hand.

You guys should honestly re-think this.....seriously !

Link Posted: 10/2/2004 7:13:33 PM EST

Originally Posted By SPECTRE:
The pussification of America continues.



Yep. Forget 'planes with evil nose art. Oh the shame.

From now on, it's Volvo's vs the VW's.

Nuthin' but flowers in&out. The big bomber: a Partridge Family bus.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 8:19:59 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 8:41:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By The_Beer_Slayer:
instead of all the complaining about how the policy sucks and how evil all us mods are, how about talking to staff directly to try and resolve what you guys would like to see here.

I have done it until i am blue in the face and usually on the staff shit list because of it. I get constant emails about things people want changed but when i bring them up people bail.

Bitching doesn't SOLVE an issue. discussion does.

mike




I thought this was a discussion.

Did sombody not give me the memo or somthing?
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 8:48:36 PM EST
BTW I don't have a problem with the art during war as a moral booster. I don't care if you have a book or calandar depicting such art. I don't even care if you want to paint your warbird up like it was in the great WWII. My famility will just not be attending or paying to ride in your aircraft. I am NOT for censorship! I don't waiver in upholding my family's standards and that includes pornography on the side of an aircraft no matter how "historical". Planerench out.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 8:49:08 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 8:50:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By Noname:

Originally Posted By Planerench:
I am ashamed that somewhere along the line the Air corp decided it was OK to paint huge obscene murals on government aircraft. I like modern aircraft better. My kids can actually go see them. If I wouldn't allow my children to hear a verbal description of the "ART" why would I let them see it?!Planerench out.





You do realize the some of the first things kids see/touch/taste are nipples...

<­BR>...!



Yes, and it is as unsexual as it gets! Getting up to a screaming infant at 3AM is work not fun! At least that is what my red eyed wife said. Planerench out.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 8:59:05 PM EST
Why don't people understand that AS SOON AS an exception is made to the "no nips no lips" rule, all kinds of assmonkeys are going to come swarming out of the woodwork to push the issue with other "bordeline" and "ambiguous" stuff like artsy B&W phographs of naked chicks, or cartoon naked chicks, or paitings, murals, mosaics, etc of naked chicks.

It's not an issue of a particular type of image, it's the precedent that creates a constantly moving target that then becomes impossible for mods to enforce because everything other than a huge gaping vagina in technicolor is now ambiguous and everyone will start whining about how the rules are unclear, and double standards, and blah blah blah

Why not just stick with the rules that work, and live with the fact that there's an occasional thing that falls through the cracks.
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 10:09:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/2/2004 10:15:38 PM EST by vito113]
OK… my pennies worth…

I accept why my thread was locked… no problem with that…

(Rant mode … not directed at the Mods!…on) What I do have a bit of a problem with is some of the moralizing here about 'pornography'……

Just a bit of a reality fix for some of you… we have thousands of our Servicemen, both US and British, out in Iraq and Afghanistan fighting people who would be proud of some of the crap about 'naked women' being spouted around here.



We have people fighting and dying trying to rid the world of people who consider the sight of female flesh so corrupting and disgusting they make women dress up like in the picture above.

Why do servicemen paint naked women on the sides of their planes, tanks and post pictures above their bunks? It's easy to understand if you have ever been in harms way… once you realise that in the next five minutes either your or your buddies could be killed you need something to keep you sane and your mind off the fear of dying you feel, and that is were the nose art comes in. Thousands of servicemen died in those planes in WWII, they are a very important part of history, and wanting their 'pornographic' nose art kept away from sight does the memory of their sacrifice a disservice.

Hundreds of thousands of children will see the Collings Foundations B-24J "The Dragon and his Tail" this year, will they be 'corrupted' or 'shocked' by the nose art? No… but they will be better people for seeing the sacrifice the men flying those planes made for freedom and an 'open minded' and 'tolerant' society. (Rant mode … not directed at the Mods!…off)

BTW… Moderator Approved RAF noseart from Operation Iraqi Freedom will be posted tonite in a new thread!

Andy
Link Posted: 10/2/2004 10:22:34 PM EST
This is a zero tolerance web site people

we cant have anything here that remotely looks like something that might be thought of in an imaginative way as something else that shouldn't be here.

now please excuse me while i check out all the scantily clad women some of whom may be in suggestive poses or have suggestive expressions, in the BOTD.

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