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Posted: 12/17/2016 1:40:36 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/17/2016 1:47:46 AM EST by aIIan]
The wife mentioned the idea of trading her vehicle in for a Jeep Wrangler.

Cool I thought let me check the local guys to see what they have in stock.

My face went from <img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_blush.gif border=0 align=middle> to <img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/icon_smile_shock.gif border=0 align=middle> real fucking quick.

46k for a Jeep?!? A FUCKING Jeeep Wrangler !?!?!?
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Chrysler execs are high as hell.
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I realize it's the top of the line *snicker* Sahara model but fuck, does anyone really drop 40k on a Wrangler?
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 1:43:34 AM EST
They hold their resale value really well, so there's that.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 1:44:08 AM EST
pensions
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been that way for at least 10 years
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What happened is Jeeps became 'in' with the popular crowd who use them as status symbols and never intend to take them off road.  Price goes up and guys who want Jeeps to take off road have to pay 40k for them now.    This is why I won't buy a Jeep.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 1:48:00 AM EST
Soccer moms graduated from minivans to mall crawlers.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 1:48:51 AM EST
JK for life!
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you can't even get a brand new 'aluminum' F150 under $40K, and that's base not including tax and license.
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Originally Posted By sherm8404:
Soccer moms graduated from minivans to mall crawlers.
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This.

Woman I dated a while back had one. Only used it for a daily driver and two drop her two boys off at daycare. She wanted all the upgrades but didn't know why other than "they are cool looking"

Relationship didn't last long. Super cute, super stupid.
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you can't even get a brand new 'aluminum' F150 under $40K, and that's base not including tax and license.
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Dollar for dollar Wranglers aren't even in the same league as F150s... or any other full size truck for that matter.
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you can't even get a brand new 'aluminum' F150 under $40K, and that's base not including tax and license.
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Pick up trucks go popular just like the Jeeps so now you have to overpay for them 
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My grandpa did. 33k
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Originally Posted By nick_75:
They hold their resale value really well, so there's that.
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That's hilarious. 
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That's hilarious. 
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I raffed.
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My grandpa did. 33k
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then he knew someone or found a diamond in the ruff b/c all the ones i could find were way over priced imho..

jeeps have gotten so super trendy now,and yes, i mostly see girls driving them.
Link Posted: 12/17/2016 1:59:38 AM EST
Get her a nice used Chevy Tahoe for around $10k.
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Originally Posted By -Apocalypto-:
What happened is Jeeps became 'in' with the popular crowd who use them as status symbols and never intend to take them off road.  Price goes up and guys who want Jeeps to take off road have to pay 40k for them now.    This is why I won't buy a Jeep.
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Horseshit. You don't buy a 40k vehicle as a status symbol; you buy a new Audi, BMW, etc. as a status symbol. Some people buy them because they think they are cool (even if they never go of-road), but it's not a status symbol. Nobody is impressed by a 40k vehicle these days. Even a piece of shit little 4-cylinder car is over 20k. Everything is getting expensive. 15k+ for a lot of motorcycles, over 10k for many ATVs, over 10k for most sleds, 20k for a side-by-side UTV, etc. Might as well get used to it, because yelling at clouds won't do any good.

What other sort of new 4x4 vehicle do you plan to buy that has the capabilities of a Rubicon for less than 40k? It doesn't exist. Also, you can buy Jeeps for under 40k, but it won't be a Rubicon, and you will probably have to order it. Most dealers only seem to carry the loaded (high profit) models.
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J- just
E- empty
E- every
P- pocket

The company is ensuring they live up to there acronym.
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Originally Posted By Devildog1970:


Horseshit. You don't buy a 40k vehicle as a status symbol; you buy a new Audi, BMW, etc. as a status symbol. Some people buy them because they think they are cool (even if they never go of-road), but it's not a status symbol. Nobody is impressed by a 40k vehicle these days. Even a piece of shit little 4-cylinder car is over 20k. Everything is getting expensive. 15k+ for a lot of motorcycles, over 10k for many ATVs, over 10k for most sleds, 20k for a side-by-side UTV, etc. Might as well get used to it, because yelling at clouds won't do any good.

What other sort of new 4x4 vehicle do you plan to buy that has the capabilities of a Rubicon for less than 40k? It doesn't exist. Also, you can buy Jeeps for under 40k, but it won't be a Rubicon, and you will probably have to order it. Most dealers only seem to carry the loaded (high profit) models.
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Originally Posted By Devildog1970:
Originally Posted By -Apocalypto-:
What happened is Jeeps became 'in' with the popular crowd who use them as status symbols and never intend to take them off road.  Price goes up and guys who want Jeeps to take off road have to pay 40k for them now.    This is why I won't buy a Jeep.


Horseshit. You don't buy a 40k vehicle as a status symbol; you buy a new Audi, BMW, etc. as a status symbol. Some people buy them because they think they are cool (even if they never go of-road), but it's not a status symbol. Nobody is impressed by a 40k vehicle these days. Even a piece of shit little 4-cylinder car is over 20k. Everything is getting expensive. 15k+ for a lot of motorcycles, over 10k for many ATVs, over 10k for most sleds, 20k for a side-by-side UTV, etc. Might as well get used to it, because yelling at clouds won't do any good.

What other sort of new 4x4 vehicle do you plan to buy that has the capabilities of a Rubicon for less than 40k? It doesn't exist. Also, you can buy Jeeps for under 40k, but it won't be a Rubicon, and you will probably have to order it. Most dealers only seem to carry the loaded (high profit) models.
Have you looked to see who is driving Jeeps now? 
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then he knew someone or found a diamond in the ruff b/c all the ones i could find were way over priced imho..

jeeps have gotten so super trendy now,and yes, i mostly see girls driving them.
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Let me guess, you live in the city or suburbs? I live in the country, and lots of people own Jeeps, but only a small minority are women. And usually if I do see a woman driving one, it's a "sport" model with no lift and shitty tires, because they basically just wanted a convertible, not a capable off-roader.
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My son recently sold his 2007 Jeep Wrangler with just over 100K miles on it for $17 thousand. Sold as soon as he listed it. People are crazy for those things.
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Originally Posted By -Apocalypto-:
Have you looked to see who is driving Jeeps now? 
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Sure, I see people driving Jeeps all the time. What's your point? A 40k vehicle is not a status symbol, unless you live in a ghetto.
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Originally Posted By Devildog1970:


Horseshit. You don't buy a 40k vehicle as a status symbol; you buy a new Audi, BMW, etc. as a status symbol. Some people buy them because they think they are cool (even if they never go of-road), but it's not a status symbol. Nobody is impressed by a 40k vehicle these days. Even a piece of shit little 4-cylinder car is over 20k. Everything is getting expensive. 15k+ for a lot of motorcycles, over 10k for many ATVs, over 10k for most sleds, 20k for a side-by-side UTV, etc. Might as well get used to it, because yelling at clouds won't do any good.

What other sort of new 4x4 vehicle do you plan to buy that has the capabilities of a Rubicon for less than 40k? It doesn't exist. Also, you can buy Jeeps for under 40k, but it won't be a Rubicon, and you will probably have to order it. Most dealers only seem to carry the loaded (high profit) models.
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Originally Posted By Devildog1970:
Originally Posted By -Apocalypto-:
What happened is Jeeps became 'in' with the popular crowd who use them as status symbols and never intend to take them off road.  Price goes up and guys who want Jeeps to take off road have to pay 40k for them now.    This is why I won't buy a Jeep.


Horseshit. You don't buy a 40k vehicle as a status symbol; you buy a new Audi, BMW, etc. as a status symbol. Some people buy them because they think they are cool (even if they never go of-road), but it's not a status symbol. Nobody is impressed by a 40k vehicle these days. Even a piece of shit little 4-cylinder car is over 20k. Everything is getting expensive. 15k+ for a lot of motorcycles, over 10k for many ATVs, over 10k for most sleds, 20k for a side-by-side UTV, etc. Might as well get used to it, because yelling at clouds won't do any good.

What other sort of new 4x4 vehicle do you plan to buy that has the capabilities of a Rubicon for less than 40k? It doesn't exist. Also, you can buy Jeeps for under 40k, but it won't be a Rubicon, and you will probably have to order it. Most dealers only seem to carry the loaded (high profit) models.


Where can you find a Rubicon for less than 40k? I'd argue that they don't exist either.

Our local dealership (a big one) doesn't have a single Wrangler Unlimited listed for under 30k.

That's flat out insane.
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Yeah, it's crazy how they hold their value. Try to find a 2004-2006 LJ Rubicon for under 20k. And yet nobody else will build a 4x4 convertible to compete with them.
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Originally Posted By Devildog1970:


Let me guess, you live in the city or suburbs? I live in the country, and lots of people own Jeeps, but only a small minority are women. And usually if I do see a woman driving one, it's a "sport" model with no lift and shitty tires, because they basically just wanted a convertible, not a capable off-roader.
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Originally Posted By Devildog1970:
Originally Posted By Bennjammin:


then he knew someone or found a diamond in the ruff b/c all the ones i could find were way over priced imho..

jeeps have gotten so super trendy now,and yes, i mostly see girls driving them.


Let me guess, you live in the city or suburbs? I live in the country, and lots of people own Jeeps, but only a small minority are women. And usually if I do see a woman driving one, it's a "sport" model with no lift and shitty tires, because they basically just wanted a convertible, not a capable off-roader.
I see tons of Jeeps driven by women. 
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Where can you find a Rubicon for less than 40k? I'd argue that they don't exist either.
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Huh? I didn't say you could. But you can get a new Rubicon for 40k, if you shop around and buy at the end of a model year (46ish the rest of the time). I basically said where are you going to find a new 4x4 with Rubicon capabilities for less than the price of a Rubicon. It doesn't exist.
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Originally Posted By Devildog1970:


Sure, I see people driving Jeeps all the time. What's your point? A 40k vehicle is not a status symbol, unless you live in a ghetto.
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Originally Posted By Devildog1970:
Originally Posted By -Apocalypto-:
Have you looked to see who is driving Jeeps now? 


Sure, I see people driving Jeeps all the time. What's your point? A 40k vehicle is not a status symbol, unless you live in a ghetto.
They are buying Jeeps because they are cool, and they want to look cool driving one, not for a Jeep's off road capabilities...that makes them a status symbol. 
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Originally Posted By -Apocalypto-:
I see tons of Jeeps driven by women. 
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And do you live country, city, or suburbs? The point was that you shouldn't make sweeping generalizations based on where you live, when many other places are very different.
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Originally Posted By Bennjammin:


then he knew someone or found a diamond in the ruff b/c all the ones i could find were way over priced imho..

jeeps have gotten so super trendy now,and yes, i mostly see girls driving them.
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2016 leftover, brand new. You just have to be patient and wait for the new models to come out.
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Most capable stock 4x4 vehicle.
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Originally Posted By -Apocalypto-:
They are buying Jeeps because they are cool, and they want to look cool driving one, not for a Jeep's off road capabilities...that makes them a status symbol. 
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from MW:
Status symbol
-something (such as an expensive car) that a person owns and that shows wealth or a high social status


Status symbol means that it shows wealth, not that it looks cool. You don't get to make up your own definitions for words. I could buy a 72 Vega because I think they look cool, but that doesn't make it a status symbol....not even if other people think they look cool. But a status symbol will vary based on where you live. If you had a 72 Vega in sub-Saharan Africa, some people might call you wealthy.
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i wish they'd make a version of it like the tradesman
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Originally Posted By Devildog1970:


from MW:
Status symbol
-something (such as an expensive car) that a person owns and that shows wealth or a high social status


Status symbol means that it shows wealth, not that it looks cool. You don't get to make up your own definitions for words.
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I'd venture to say that "looking cool" is a social status.

Though a G Wagon would be a better fit than the Wrangler... the wife mentioned them too
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Bought my 2015 Rubicon for $30k, brand new with 3 miles on the odometer.


Of course it's a 2 door with a manual transmission, manual windows, crank windows and non powered mirrors, it has AC, Sat. radio and a Freedom hard top. It replaces a 1977 CJ7 so it's like a Cadillac in comparison.

Now if you want a 4 door Rubicon with power everything and heated leather butt massaging seats you're going to pay over $40 k for one.
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Originally Posted By -Apocalypto-:
They are buying Jeeps because they are cool, and they want to look cool driving one, not for a Jeep's off road capabilities...that makes them a status symbol. 
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Originally Posted By -Apocalypto-:
Originally Posted By Devildog1970:
Originally Posted By -Apocalypto-:
Have you looked to see who is driving Jeeps now? 


Sure, I see people driving Jeeps all the time. What's your point? A 40k vehicle is not a status symbol, unless you live in a ghetto.
They are buying Jeeps because they are cool, and they want to look cool driving one, not for a Jeep's off road capabilities...that makes them a status symbol. 


Same reason Pickup trucks are so popular right now. It's a Lifestyle choice.
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Originally Posted By Devildog1970:


from MW:
Status symbol
-something (such as an expensive car) that a person owns and that shows wealth or a high social status


Status symbol means that it shows wealth, not that it looks cool. You don't get to make up your own definitions for words. I could buy a 72 Vega because I think they look cool, but that doesn't make it a status symbol....not even if other people think they look cool. But a status symbol will vary based on where you live. If you had a 72 Vega in sub-Saharan Africa, some people might call you wealthy. <img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_abused.gif border=0 align=middle>
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Originally Posted By Devildog1970:
Originally Posted By -Apocalypto-:
They are buying Jeeps because they are cool, and they want to look cool driving one, not for a Jeep's off road capabilities...that makes them a status symbol. 


from MW:
Status symbol
-something (such as an expensive car) that a person owns and that shows wealth or a high social status


Status symbol means that it shows wealth, not that it looks cool. You don't get to make up your own definitions for words. I could buy a 72 Vega because I think they look cool, but that doesn't make it a status symbol....not even if other people think they look cool. But a status symbol will vary based on where you live. If you had a 72 Vega in sub-Saharan Africa, some people might call you wealthy. <img src=http://www.ar15.com/images/smilies/smiley_abused.gif border=0 align=middle>
You know what my point is, however you want to define it. People are buying Jeeps to be cool, not to take off road. 
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Yes you can. Stop spreading lies.

There's a dealership here advertising an end-of-year F150 sale for $20,999 (base 4x2 reg. cab)
You can buy a nicely optioned XLT for under $40k all day


I just bought a 2016 1-ton diesel 4x4 Ram for $42k....with options
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Originally Posted By Devildog1970:


And do you live country, city, or suburbs? The point was that you shouldn't make sweeping generalizations based on where you live, when many other places are very different.
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Originally Posted By -Apocalypto-:
I see tons of Jeeps driven by women. 


And do you live country, city, or suburbs? The point was that you shouldn't make sweeping generalizations based on where you live, when many other places are very different.

I live in a high tourist area in E TN, we get tons of Jeeps here, for some reason everyone that visits the mountains brings their Jeep. They come from all over the country and yes...many are driven by women. 
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More like forever. Well a long time, longer than ten years. I remember being 16 in high school before getting my permit daydreaming of owning one.
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So what's funny about it? They depreciate far less than almost all other domestic vehicles. If you put a used Jeep up for sale it will sell almost instantly.

I have a 2004 TJ and probably will sell some time this year.. Now that the TJ is entering early retro status the values are actually going UP again.
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Same reason Pickup trucks are so popular right now. It's a Lifestyle choice.
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Of course it is. I can't pull my boat, ATVs, snowmobiles, with a car, drive through deep snow and ruts to get to deer camp in a car, haul a half-cord of firewood in a car, haul a dead deer in a car, etc. But it sure as hell isn't some sort of "status symbol", like some people around here seem to think it is. Maybe they are just envious because they drive a fucking Neon or some other POS.
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Of course it is. I can't pull my boat, ATVs, snowmobiles, with a car, drive through deep snow and ruts to get to deer camp in a car, haul a half-cord of firewood in a car, haul a dead deer in a car, etc. But it sure as hell isn't some sort of "status symbol", like some people around here seem to think it is. Maybe they are just envious because they drive a fucking Neon or some other POS.
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Originally Posted By BillofRights:


Same reason Pickup trucks are so popular right now. It's a Lifestyle choice.


Of course it is. I can't pull my boat, ATVs, snowmobiles, with a car, drive through deep snow and ruts to get to deer camp in a car, haul a half-cord of firewood in a car, haul a dead deer in a car, etc. But it sure as hell isn't some sort of "status symbol", like some people around here seem to think it is. Maybe they are just envious because they drive a fucking Neon or some other POS.
I've must of touched a nerve with you....I see now, you have a Jeep. 
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What happened is Jeeps became 'in' with the popular crowd who use them as status symbols and never intend to take them off road.  Price goes up and guys who want Jeeps to take off road have to pay 40k for them now.    This is why I won't buy a Jeep.
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Guys who couldn't afford 50K+ for a truck to accessorize so they buy the jeep and accessorize it instead. My boss has one and I give him shit all the time that my single cab, 2wd F150 sees more off road than his jeep.
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Bullshit.

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So what's funny about it? They depreciate far less than almost all other domestic vehicles. If you put a used Jeep up for sale it will sell almost instantly.

I have a 2004 TJ and probably will sell some time this year.. Now that the TJ is entering early retro status the values are actually going UP again.
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I think the TJ/LJ are so popular because some people don't want all the bullshit that comes on a JK, and the TJ was the last generation that you could buy without ABS, traction/stability control, TPMS, etc. And also because people are scared of the early JK models due to their oil burning issues.
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So when did OP wake from his coma.
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I think the TJ/LJ are so popular because some people don't want all the bullshit that comes on a JK, and the TJ was the last generation that you could buy without ABS, traction/stability control, TPMS, etc. And also because people are scared of the early JK models due to their oil burning issues.
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Originally Posted By mancat:


So what's funny about it? They depreciate far less than almost all other domestic vehicles. If you put a used Jeep up for sale it will sell almost instantly.

I have a 2004 TJ and probably will sell some time this year.. Now that the TJ is entering early retro status the values are actually going UP again.


I think the TJ/LJ are so popular because some people don't want all the bullshit that comes on a JK, and the TJ was the last generation that you could buy without ABS, traction/stability control, TPMS, etc. And also because people are scared of the early JK models due to their oil burning issues.


I'd much rather buy a TJ but I know the wife wouldn't have it but it looks like she ain't getting no JK either
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Originally Posted By -Apocalypto-:
I've must of touched a nerve with you....I see now, you have a Jeep. 
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I have a 2016 Ford F150. I just get annoyed with all the citiots on this forum who talk shit about people who drive trucks and Jeeps.
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