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Posted: 1/14/2006 1:42:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/14/2006 1:51:15 AM EDT by Cato]
Season 3 of the TV series "24" with Kiefer Sutherland has started here
and I am simply amazed. There is unit and a guy who is shown trampling on
civil rights, torturing American citizens (never mind the foreigners),
ignoring every law which protects you from "big brother"- of course
all for a higher good- and people cheer to this shit??

I know its just a TV show, but it shows a mentailty which puts "security"
above all civil rights and if this mentality wins, the great US constitution
will be gone.

Great Britain has shown that, if the governments "anti-terrorist" propaganda is
swallowed, one can slip from a fairly liberal society to a police state in less
than 100 years- and modern technology makes a much faster slip possible:
Slippery slope
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 1:55:53 AM EDT
Get over it. It is a good show, not a litmus test for the political leanings around here.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 2:12:48 AM EDT
I rarely watch TV. One show I haved watched and enjoyed is 24. It is not real life. It's a TV show.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 2:25:55 AM EDT
In WWII,

Many civil rights were trampled in the name of security. But the great US constitution is still here. We are at war. Things change during wartime. The quicker we win, the quicker things will return to normal. Let our men do the jobs they were trained to do.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 2:34:00 AM EDT
much preferable TV show than those d*mn "reality" shows full of stupid/liberal/BS/annoying-as-piss- shows

24 kicks a**--action, a good story line, gunfights, and decent dialog
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 2:43:45 AM EDT
I guess I don't get it. Two of my friends love the show , I think it is silly and boring.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 2:44:40 AM EDT
People had a cow about Dirty Harry when those movies came out in the 70's too. Critics thought Dirty Harry promoted fascism.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 3:04:58 AM EDT
It's called entertainment.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 3:06:51 AM EDT
"Breaking News"

The Empire didn't really strike back either.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 3:12:17 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Cato:
Season 3 of the TV series "24" with Kiefer Sutherland has started here
and I am simply amazed. There is unit and a guy who is shown trampling on
civil rights, torturing American citizens (never mind the foreigners),
ignoring every law which protects you from "big brother"- of course
all for a higher good- and people cheer to this shit??

I know its just a TV show, but it shows a mentailty which puts "security"
above all civil rights and if this mentality wins, the great US constitution
will be gone.

Great Britain has shown that, if the governments "anti-terrorist" propaganda is
swallowed, one can slip from a fairly liberal society to a police state in less
than 100 years- and modern technology makes a much faster slip possible:
Slippery slope





Its the fight of good vs evil something you and your people in your neck of the woods dont understand anymore.

That and its cool.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 3:20:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/14/2006 3:35:04 AM EDT by Cato]

posted By Spyda:
We are at war. Things change during wartime. The quicker we win, the quicker things will return to normal.



Sadly, per definition you can't win a "war on terror". Terrorism is an activity by
a tiny minority, which can pop up in every country. 90% of the preparations are
inside the head of terrorists. How can you prevent such an activity by winning a war??
That is even more impossible than winning the "war on drugs", where one can at
least ruin the ressources (plantations) necessary for producing drugs. The USA
nuked Japan and Japan gave in. The Allied forces took Berlin and war was over here.

But which strategic goal does the USA have to take, to win this war? A pacified
Iraq? A nuked Saudi Arabia (biggest terror sponsor)? Ghettos for muslims living
in our societies?
While "at least doing something" certainly makes a nice topic for winning elections,
I don't think the Western governments have any real clue. So its ok if they suspend
civil rights bit by bit for an unforeseeable time? Wow, what has become of eternal
vigilance the founding fathers mentioned ...



posted By IceHandLuke:
Its the fight of good vs evil something you and your people in your neck of the
woods dont understand anymore.



That is exactly why the constitution seeks to protect civil rights from "heat of
the moment decisions"! Just wait until the next government under Hillary
re-defines "evil"....
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 3:34:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Cato:

posted By Spyda:
We are at war. Things change during wartime. The quicker we win, the quicker things will return to normal.



Sadly, per definition you can't win a "war on terror". Terrorism is an activity by
a tiny minority, which can pop up in every country. 90% of the preparations are
inside the head of terrorists. How can you prevent such an activity by winning a war??
That is even more impossible than winning the "war on drugs", where one can at
least ruin the ressources (plantations) necessary for producing drugs. The USA
nuked Japan and Japan gave in. The Allied forces took Berlin and war was over here.

But which strategic goal does the USA have to take, to win this war? A pacified
Iraq? A nuked Saudi Arabia (biggest terror sponsor)? Ghettos for muslims living
in our societies?
While "at least doing something" certainly makes a nice topic for winning elections,
I don't think the Western governments have any real clue. So its ok if they suspend
civil rights bit by bit for an unforeseeable time? Wow, what has become of eternal
vigilance the founding fathers mentioned ...



posted By IceHandLuke:
Its the fight of good vs evil something you and your people in your neck of the
woods dont understand anymore.



Just wait until the next government under Hillary re-defines "evil"....




Can you even own a gun where you live?
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 3:39:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/14/2006 3:39:43 AM EDT by Cato]
Yep- even for self defense.
But I can assure you that its not the center of my world and there are other
civil rights in greater danger right now- here in Europe and the USA. Just
read the "slippery slope" article- I guess the early 20th century citizens
of Great Britain weren't really aware that they slowly became subjects too.
But at least it too was all for their "protection"....
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 3:42:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Spyda:
In WWII,

Many civil rights were trampled in the name of security. But the great US constitution is still here. We are at war. Things change during wartime. The quicker we win, the quicker things will return to normal. Let our men do the jobs they were trained to do.



B.S. we are not the same as before WWII. Rights are reduced all the time.

But it is just a show.

Link Posted: 1/14/2006 3:56:58 AM EDT

WTF is up with "24" Lost fans??

Link Posted: 1/14/2006 5:25:14 AM EDT
Lighten up Francis. It's a fucking TV show. Don't blow a gasket over it.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 5:29:11 AM EDT

Try finding something better to bitch about. 24 is a good show. However it is JUST A FUCKING TV SHOW. It isn't PC, some of the things are truthfull, but in reality it is a TV SHOW that many of us enjoy. Get over it.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 5:32:26 AM EDT

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
Lighten up Francis. It's a fucking TV show. Don't blow a gasket over it.



+1 really. Don't like it? Change the channel.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 5:33:38 AM EDT
It is funny, but should be mentioned that the creators of the show an many of the cast members are conservative.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 5:38:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
Lighten up Francis. It's a fucking TV show. Don't blow a gasket over it.



+1
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 7:11:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/14/2006 7:12:41 AM EDT by weptek911]

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
Lighten up Francis. It's a fucking TV show. Don't blow a gasket over it.



+1
Seriously. You've never heard of escapist entertainment ? I am just so glad it's not another one of these goddamn reality shows where someone wins "immunity" by eating a horse rectum or live Madagascar hissing beetles.

Farscape (SciFi Channel) One of my favorites shows ever, was filmed in Australia. Like you I was disappointed when I found out it wasn't a documentary.

p.s. Do you even OWN a gun ?
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 7:12:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By weptek911:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:
Lighten up Francis. It's a fucking TV show. Don't blow a gasket over it.



+1
Seriously. You've never heard of escapist entertainment ? I am just so glad it's not another one of these goddamn reality shows where someone wins "immunity" by eating a horse rectum or live Madagascar hissing beetles.

Farscape (SciFi Channel) One of my favorites shows ever, was filmed in Australia. Like you I was disappointed when I found out it wasn't a documentary.

I think reality TV has come and gone. Good riddance.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 7:34:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/14/2006 7:34:48 AM EDT by Cato]
Guys I know its just a TV show.

But I am of the opinion that a lot shows in the heroes a society creates.
The honest cowboy, with his distrust in the "state" is gone and has made
place for a government funded bully who claims to make society
more secure by stomping on civil rights.

Btw, terrible tactics seem to be another 24 highlight.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 7:35:18 AM EDT
This just in from the Cato, curator of the Royal Australian Museum of Natural History,

"The Flintsones and the town of Bedrock did not exist. Furthermore, early man did not pedal and brake pre-historic cars with their feet. "

Link Posted: 1/14/2006 7:37:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By weptek911:
This just in from the Cato, curator of the Royal Australian Museum of Natural History,

"The Flintsones and the town of Bedrock did not exist. Furthermore, early man did not pedal and brake pre-historic cars with their feet. "




Link Posted: 1/14/2006 7:40:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Cato:
Guys I know its just a TV show.

But I am of the opinion that a lot shows in the heroes a society creates.
The honest cowboy, with his distrust in the "state" is gone and has made
place for a government funded bully who claims to make society
more secure by stomping on civil rights.

Btw, terrible tactics seem to be another 24 highlight.

Link Posted: 1/14/2006 7:52:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By VTHOKIESHOOTER:

Originally Posted By Cato:
Guys I know its just a TV show.

But I am of the opinion that a lot shows in the heroes a society creates.
The honest cowboy, with his distrust in the "state" is gone and has made
place for a government funded bully who claims to make society
more secure by stomping on civil rights.

Btw, terrible tactics seem to be another 24 highlight.




+1
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 7:57:09 AM EDT
Ooo, I should have also mentioned that on 24, Jack Bauer is just as suspicious of the government as anyone else. You must not watch much of the show.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 7:59:11 AM EDT
you can't have civil rights after the ROP'rs nuke your ass. (season 4)
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 8:28:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Cato:
Guys I know its just a TV show.



Apparently you don't. since you are seriously overestimating the effect it has on people.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 9:26:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/14/2006 9:27:30 AM EDT by Cato]
Nope- I am just adhereing to a paradigm in psychotherapy: that your
fantasies show how you truly are, not what you are trying to make
others believe.
I really hope that Jack Bauer & the CTU is not a collective fantasy
of the USA- but the rave reviews the show get make that hard.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 9:34:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Cato:
Nope- I am just adhereing to a paradigm in psychotherapy: that your
fantasies show how you truly are, not what you are trying to make
others believe.
I really hope that Jack Bauer & the CTU is not a collective fantasy
of the USA- but the rave reviews the show get make that hard.



God i hope you never watch The Shield, you will never be the same
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 9:36:37 AM EDT
Thanks for reminding me! New season starts this week!!


Originally Posted By hydroshok:

Originally Posted By Cato:
Nope- I am just adhereing to a paradigm in psychotherapy: that your
fantasies show how you truly are, not what you are trying to make
others believe.
I really hope that Jack Bauer & the CTU is not a collective fantasy
of the USA- but the rave reviews the show get make that hard.



God i hope you never watch The Shield, you will never be the same

Link Posted: 1/14/2006 9:37:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/14/2006 9:38:26 AM EDT by roboman]

Originally Posted By Cato:
Nope- I am just adhereing to a paradigm in psychotherapy: that your
fantasies show how you truly are, not what you are trying to make
others believe.
I really hope that Jack Bauer & the CTU is not a collective fantasy
of the USA- but the rave reviews the show get make that hard.



Give me a fucking break. It's a TV show.

Why don't you adhere to the paradigm of saving your ass and get the fuck out of here.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 9:38:09 AM EDT

Originally Posted By -Absolut-:
Thanks for reminding me! New season starts this week!!


Originally Posted By hydroshok:

Originally Posted By Cato:
Nope- I am just adhereing to a paradigm in psychotherapy: that your
fantasies show how you truly are, not what you are trying to make
others believe.
I really hope that Jack Bauer & the CTU is not a collective fantasy
of the USA- but the rave reviews the show get make that hard.



God i hope you never watch The Shield, you will never be the same




New season started last week. 1/10/06
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 9:40:39 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Cato:
Nope- I am just adhereing to a paradigm in psychotherapy: that your
fantasies show how you truly are, not what you are trying to make
others believe.

I really hope that Jack Bauer & the CTU is not a collective fantasy
of the USA- but the rave reviews the show get make that hard.



So when I watch an HBO special about Sex on TV in europe, we as Americans *know* that there are nothing but a bunch of fat men and hairy women running around naked smacking each other with bratwurst and sniffing each others butts and that represents europe?

Ok.



Link Posted: 1/14/2006 9:42:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Cato:

posted By Spyda:
We are at war. Things change during wartime. The quicker we win, the quicker things will return to normal.



Sadly, per definition you can't win a "war on terror". Terrorism is an activity by
a tiny minority, which can pop up in every country. 90% of the preparations are
inside the head of terrorists. How can you prevent such an activity by winning a war??
That is even more impossible than winning the "war on drugs", where one can at
least ruin the ressources (plantations) necessary for producing drugs. The USA
nuked Japan and Japan gave in. The Allied forces took Berlin and war was over here.

But which strategic goal does the USA have to take, to win this war? A pacified
Iraq? A nuked Saudi Arabia (biggest terror sponsor)? Ghettos for muslims living
in our societies?
While "at least doing something" certainly makes a nice topic for winning elections,
I don't think the Western governments have any real clue. So its ok if they suspend
civil rights bit by bit for an unforeseeable time? Wow, what has become of eternal
vigilance the founding fathers mentioned ...



posted By IceHandLuke:
Its the fight of good vs evil something you and your people in your neck of the
woods dont understand anymore.



That is exactly why the constitution seeks to protect civil rights from "heat of
the moment decisions"! Just wait until the next government under Hillary
re-defines "evil"....



Damn, your post reeks of leftist drivel............."can't win the war on terror"........."muslim ghettos"................etc. You sound just like our Dumocrats.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 9:50:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/14/2006 9:51:05 AM EDT by Cato]
Larry, instead of irrelevant comparisons, why don't you give
me the ultimate goal, that defines victory in the "war on terror"?
Or will it be: "whatever the government tells us"?
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 9:51:37 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Cato:
Larry, instead of irrelevant comparisons, why don't you give
me the ultimate goal, that defines victory in the "war on terror"?
Or will it be: "whatever the government tells us"?



DEAD FUCKING TERRORISTS
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 9:52:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By -Absolut-:
Thanks for reminding me! New season starts this week!!


Originally Posted By hydroshok:

Originally Posted By Cato:
Nope- I am just adhereing to a paradigm in psychotherapy: that your
fantasies show how you truly are, not what you are trying to make
others believe.
I really hope that Jack Bauer & the CTU is not a collective fantasy
of the USA- but the rave reviews the show get make that hard.



God i hope you never watch The Shield, you will never be the same




New season started last week. 1/10/06


Negative young grasshoppa. Season 5 starts Sunday 1/15 at 8pm w/ a 2 hour season premier.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 9:53:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By -Absolut-:

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By -Absolut-:
Thanks for reminding me! New season starts this week!!


Originally Posted By hydroshok:

Originally Posted By Cato:
Nope- I am just adhereing to a paradigm in psychotherapy: that your
fantasies show how you truly are, not what you are trying to make
others believe.
I really hope that Jack Bauer & the CTU is not a collective fantasy
of the USA- but the rave reviews the show get make that hard.



God i hope you never watch The Shield, you will never be the same




New season started last week. 1/10/06


Negative young grasshoppa. Season 5 starts Sunday 1/15 at 8pm w/ a 2 hour season premier.



He was referring to The Shield.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 9:57:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Cato:
Larry, instead of irrelevant comparisons, why don't you give
me the ultimate goal, that defines victory in the "war on terror"?
Or will it be: "whatever the government tells us"?



First, it was not irrelevant. People like you and our own left are full of this "can't win" bullshit. It's called cowardice.

You, from Australia, mocking anyone after letting your gov do what it has in relation to firearms is truly laughable.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 10:01:49 AM EDT

Originally Posted By -Absolut-:

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By -Absolut-:
Thanks for reminding me! New season starts this week!!


Originally Posted By hydroshok:

Originally Posted By Cato:
Nope- I am just adhereing to a paradigm in psychotherapy: that your
fantasies show how you truly are, not what you are trying to make
others believe.
I really hope that Jack Bauer & the CTU is not a collective fantasy
of the USA- but the rave reviews the show get make that hard.



God i hope you never watch The Shield, you will never be the same




New season started last week. 1/10/06


Negative young grasshoppa. Season 5 starts Sunday 1/15 at 8pm w/ a 2 hour season premier.



My mistake, I read the reply mentioning The Shield and assumed you were talking about that
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 10:02:25 AM EDT

Originally Posted By LARRYG:

Originally Posted By Cato:
Larry, instead of irrelevant comparisons, why don't you give
me the ultimate goal, that defines victory in the "war on terror"?
Or will it be: "whatever the government tells us"?



First, it was not irrelevant. People like you and our own left are full of this "can't win" bullshit. It's called cowardice.

You, from Australia, mocking anyone after letting your gov do what it has in relation to firearms is truly laughable.



Holy shit, I actually agree with you for once.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 10:03:47 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/14/2006 10:05:10 AM EDT by RikWriter]

Originally Posted By LARRYG:

Originally Posted By Cato:
Larry, instead of irrelevant comparisons, why don't you give
me the ultimate goal, that defines victory in the "war on terror"?
Or will it be: "whatever the government tells us"?



First, it was not irrelevant. People like you and our own left are full of this "can't win" bullshit. It's called cowardice.

You, from Australia, mocking anyone after letting your gov do what it has in relation to firearms is truly laughable.



Is the hand-wring pop-psychologist-wannabe from Australia? I thought that would be "AUS." He has "AUT." ETA: As near as I can tell, that is the abbreviation for Austria.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 10:05:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/14/2006 10:06:17 AM EDT by LARRYG]

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By LARRYG:

Originally Posted By Cato:
Larry, instead of irrelevant comparisons, why don't you give
me the ultimate goal, that defines victory in the "war on terror"?
Or will it be: "whatever the government tells us"?



First, it was not irrelevant. People like you and our own left are full of this "can't win" bullshit. It's called cowardice.

You, from Australia, mocking anyone after letting your gov do what it has in relation to firearms is truly laughable.



Is the hand-wring pop-psychologist-wannabe from Australia? I thought that would be "AUS." He has "AUT."



Oops. Where is AUT?

Doesn't really matter anyway. His posts still are nothing but leftist, cowardly, drivel.
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 10:06:15 AM EDT

Originally Posted By LARRYG:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By LARRYG:

Originally Posted By Cato:
Larry, instead of irrelevant comparisons, why don't you give
me the ultimate goal, that defines victory in the "war on terror"?
Or will it be: "whatever the government tells us"?



First, it was not irrelevant. People like you and our own left are full of this "can't win" bullshit. It's called cowardice.

You, from Australia, mocking anyone after letting your gov do what it has in relation to firearms is truly laughable.



Is the hand-wring pop-psychologist-wannabe from Australia? I thought that would be "AUS." He has "AUT."



Oops. Where is AUT?



Austria. Funny that someone from the place where following the government blindly is a national characteristic would start criticizing us for it...
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 12:17:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/14/2006 12:40:56 PM EDT by Cato]
And you have to repeat our mistakes? The wiser nations
learn from the mistakes of others.



PS: Larry, judging from your reactions, that "war without aims-
or an ending" thing really has to hurt you. A little quote for you:

Listening to US leaders over the past six months, it seems that the unnameable, unknowable enemy in the war on terror is everywhere - and nowhere. The evil forces that would attack and undermine America are present in 'up to 60 nations' and everywhere from 'Brussels to Bagram' (quotes from US president Bush/ Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld)


Boy, clearing London, Brussels and cities in 60 other nations is going
to be A LOT of work....

PPS:As far as my location is concerned- sorry, no kangaroos here,
just Glock, Steyr and lots of old Mozart & Habsburg stuff:




Some of the old stuff is quite interesting- from a time long, long ago, when
the muslim hordes were stopped at Vienna:

Link Posted: 1/14/2006 1:03:44 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By LARRYG:

Originally Posted By RikWriter:

Originally Posted By LARRYG:

Originally Posted By Cato:
Larry, instead of irrelevant comparisons, why don't you give
me the ultimate goal, that defines victory in the "war on terror"?
Or will it be: "whatever the government tells us"?



First, it was not irrelevant. People like you and our own left are full of this "can't win" bullshit. It's called cowardice.

You, from Australia, mocking anyone after letting your gov do what it has in relation to firearms is truly laughable.



Is the hand-wring pop-psychologist-wannabe from Australia? I thought that would be "AUS." He has "AUT."



Oops. Where is AUT?



Austria. Funny that someone from the place where following the government blindly is a national characteristic would start criticizing us for it...

Owned!
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 1:06:25 PM EDT
I want his cell phone..it never goes dead and works EVERYWHERE!
Link Posted: 1/14/2006 1:06:54 PM EDT
So Cato, do you have a problem with torturing terrorists?

Funny how you talk about Cowboy and Western movies when you live in the Alps of Austria, home of Nazism.
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