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1/5/2007 2:02:43 PM EDT
Does Washington state need tougher gun control laws?

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please leave the link cold http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/index.asp please leave the link cold

This poll is being run by the Seattle newspaper that in what appears as an attempt to shame lawmakers into action by implying that they are cowards ran today the headline Despite shootings, gun control unlikely Lawmakers reluctant to pass measures above the fold; the below the fold article follows.


Despite shootings, gun control unlikely
Lawmakers reluctant to pass measures

By MELISSA SANTOS
P-I REPORTER

OLYMPIA -- Heading into the 2007 Legislature, leading lawmakers are reluctant to pass new gun-control measures despite last year's mass killing on Capitol Hill, a downtown office shooting and this week's gun slaying of a Tacoma high school student.

Insiders and experts say the gun lobby's influence may be too strong, politicians' courage too weak and the number of gun victims still too low to prompt action.

In Seattle, where aggravated assaults with guns rose 19 percent last year, Mayor Greg Nickels and police Chief Gil Kerlikowske are urging legislators to pass bills regulating the sale and storage of guns.

But Democrats in the House and the Senate say their priorities lie elsewhere -- increasing funding for education and health care.

And Senate Majority Leader Lisa Brown, D-Spokane, said she's uncertain a push for tougher gun regulations would do much good.

"There are a lot of things to consider," Brown said. "We still have open borders. Absent federal legislation ... people can still walk right across the border and buy guns in Idaho."

House Speaker Frank Chopp, D-Seattle, represents the district where Kyle Huff gunned down six people at a Capitol Hill house party in March and borders the downtown area where six people were shot -- one woman fatally -- at the Jewish Federation four months later. He said the Democratic caucus has been focused on other issues and has yet to discuss proposed gun control measures.

On Thursday Chopp said he would meet with Kerlikowske to discuss the issue and review relevant proposals, but he gave no indication that he would try to push through a new law.

A bill aiming to close a so-called loophole that allows people to buy firearms at gun shows without a background check was filed last month. That measure has yet to be discussed in depth, he said Wednesday.

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"I haven't had time to poll our members in terms of that particular proposal," Chopp said.

Incoming state Sen. Ed Murray, D-Seattle, said it's unlikely bills related to gun control will go far this legislative session.

"I think the core Democratic constituents are going to be pleased with a lot of stuff we do this session, but I don't think they'll be very pleased with what we do with gun control, which is not very likely to be much," he said.

Nationally, gun rights have long been a wedge issue for Democrats and Republicans, with gun control being primarily an issue of the left.

But in Washington, Democrats have not embraced the cause.

The national group the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence gave Washington state a D+ rating for gun control legislation.

Natalie Reber, executive director of Washington CeaseFire, said Washington got a subpar grade "because it hasn't passed sensible gun laws to protect our children and families, such as mandatory background checks on all gun purchases.

"Our elected officials had the opportunity (last) session to pass common-sense gun legislation. Instead they once again allowed the gun lobby to undermine any possibility of passing legislation supported by voters that would help keep guns out of the hands of criminals, terrorists and other prohibited purchasers."

Despite this year's Democratic majority in both chambers, chances for gun control legislation are slim.

The gun show bill's strongest supporters anticipate opposition in the House and the Senate.

"Even though we have a large Democratic majority, I believe it is an issue that will still have a lot of challenges in the Legislature," said Sen. Jeanne Kohl-Welles, D-Seattle, who sponsored last year's failed bill in the Senate.

Senate Minority Leader Mike Hewitt, R-Walla Walla, said he is concerned about the rise in violent crime in King County but feels that it is unfair to punish all gun owners for the mistakes of a few.

"What's been happening is unfortunate," Hewitt said. "A lot of it has to do with our social attitudes today. The problem starts with people, not guns."

Dave Workman, a senior editor of Gun Week, a publication owned by the Second Amendment Foundation, said bills to regulate gun shows are misguided.

"The real issue about this is that gun shows really are not the source of these firearms. Whether you close this so-called gun show loophole or not, the gun shows have nothing to do with any of the high-profile shootings in Seattle in the last years and those guys know it," Workman said.

In more than a decade of lawmaking in Olympia, Murray, the incoming senator from Seattle, has built a reputation as a champion for underdog issues, such as gay rights. He said that gun control is among the toughest issues for Washington Democrats to advance.

"It would be easier to pass a gay marriage bill down here than it is to pass a gun control bill," he said.

Murray said gun control is explosive because it is misinterpreted as an effort to take guns away from people.

"I don't want to take people's guns away, but there are types of guns people shouldn't have and certain people who shouldn't have guns," he said.

Murray said he would support those legislators who are trying to protect their constituents' rights to own a gun, but not unconditionally.

"They have to support me in trying find a way to address the gun problem that led to the murder of seven people in my district and an attack on the Jewish Federation just blocks from my district," Murray said.

The gun lobby is perhaps the biggest obstacle facing lawmakers who want to address the issue, he said.

Bryan Jones, director of the Center for American Politics and Public Policy at the University of Washington, agreed that the gun lobby is the main reason politicians are unlikely to pass new control laws.

Though the political risk is not nearly as big as it is perceived, fear still prevails, he said.

"Politicians are afraid of the NRA and they are not afraid of the ACLU. It's that simple," Jones said.

That fear may be unwarranted, he said.

"California regulated the hell out of guns -- and they don't get in trouble."

Jones said the National Rifle Association's power is declining, but he thinks Washington politicians are "playing it safe in the sense that: Why kick a sleeping dog that's leaving you alone right now?" he said.

"I hate to say it but it's going to take the kind of massacre that kills lots of children. That's the only way we are going to see progress," Jones said.

"I think it's got to be worse than (Columbine). I mean, you didn't see anything in Colorado" in substantive new gun control laws after 15 people were killed at Columbine High School in 1999.

Sen. Pam Roach, R-Auburn, said Democrats aren't pushing for increased gun control because they don't want to lose the support of rural voters.

"I think Democrats are being much more careful than they used to be," Roach said.

"They want to continue to stay in a majority locally and nationally and will do their best to limit the liberal elements of their caucuses," she said.

2007 LEGISLATURE

Gun control advocates are pushing a bill that would require background checks of all buyers at gun shows and flea markets in Washington state.

P-I reporter Chris McGann contributed to this report. P-I reporter Melissa Santos can be reached at 360-943-8311 or [email protected].
1/5/2007 2:05:01 PM EDT
[#1]
Does Washington state need tougher gun control laws? (See related article.)

48.4%
Yes

47.6%
No

4.0%
Not sure

Total Votes: 1189

Previous polls
1/5/2007 2:08:30 PM EDT
[#2]
You should change title to Fire Mission
1/5/2007 2:10:32 PM EDT
[#3]
done!!!
1/5/2007 2:11:09 PM EDT
[#4]


48.1%
Yes

48.0%
No

4.0%
Not sure


Total Votes: 1211

STEP UP ARFCOM!!
1/5/2007 2:14:05 PM EDT
[#5]
Voted
1/5/2007 2:14:12 PM EDT
[#6]
Poll hit...

Does Washington state need tougher gun control laws? (See related article.)
47.9% Yes

48.1% No

4.0% Not sure

Total Votes: 1215


Signed,
GunnyG (registered to vote in WA again, as of 01/03/07, when he was home for the holidays in Mason Co.)
1/5/2007 2:15:43 PM EDT
[#7]
Free bumparoo:

Does Washington state need tougher gun control laws? (See related article.)

47.5%
Yes

48.6%
No

3.9%
Not sure

Total Votes: 1230
1/5/2007 2:16:47 PM EDT
[#8]
done, freakin libs
1/5/2007 2:17:10 PM EDT
[#9]
Working on it...

...Server seems to be swamped...

...Still waiting for pate to load...

...Page loaded, button clicked...

...Done!

47.5% Yes

48.6% No

3.9% Not sure
1/5/2007 2:18:26 PM EDT
[#10]
47.4%
Yes

48.7%
No

3.9%
Not sure


Total Votes: 1245
1/5/2007 2:23:52 PM EDT
[#11]
Done.

Does Washington state need tougher gun control laws? (See related article.)

47.1%
Yes

49.0%
No

3.9%
Not sure

Total Votes: 1259
1/5/2007 2:26:23 PM EDT
[#12]
Argh.
Now that the demon-krats have control, every news story HAS to have the word gun in it.  Even if there is totally NO connection to firearms.  "Mr Jones was pulled over for DUI, police officials searched his vehicle and found no GUNS"  "Ms Anderson is charged with 2 counts of child neglect.  Police searched her home and found no GUNS"

So, in a while, we will be hearing about all the GUNS in the news now-a-day.

Even when there IS firarms involved, its not the action of the person that is the top story, NO, the GUN has its own top story.  
1/5/2007 2:29:14 PM EDT
[#13]
Bump
1/5/2007 2:29:24 PM EDT
[#14]
Done...
1/5/2007 2:31:09 PM EDT
[#15]

DAILY POLL

Does Washington state need tougher gun control laws? (See related article.)

Yes  46.2%

No  50.0%

Not sure 3.9%

Total Votes: 1291
1/5/2007 2:31:22 PM EDT
[#16]
Done my freind to the North

46.1%
Yes

50.0%
No

3.9%
Not sure


Total Votes: 1292

1/5/2007 2:31:27 PM EDT
[#17]
Triple tapped.

FireFox
Opera
IE

1/5/2007 2:38:25 PM EDT
[#18]
IE

Does Washington state need tougher gun control laws? (See related article.)

45.6%
Yes

50.6%
No

3.8%
Not sure


Total Votes: 1314


Previous polls
1/5/2007 2:41:52 PM EDT
[#19]
Double tapped.
50.8 NO
1/5/2007 2:43:57 PM EDT
[#20]
Done.

About 48% to 51% in favor of no.  NEEDS MORE VOTES
1/5/2007 2:45:49 PM EDT
[#21]
Hit!
1/5/2007 2:45:50 PM EDT
[#22]
Fuck anyone that voted yes...

...that is all...
1/5/2007 2:46:53 PM EDT
[#23]
Done.

Danny
1/5/2007 2:47:30 PM EDT
[#24]
Note re the Tacoma high school shooting.

Illegal acts that must have happened for the shooting to occur:
Possession of stolen property (the gun)
Breaking and Entering
Theft of property
On school property with a firearm (federal crime?)
Underage with a firearm?
Carrying concealed without a permit
Intent to commit murder
Murder


There is probably another 6-10 charges that can be found in state and federal statutes re the gun possession and use....


1/5/2007 2:48:37 PM EDT
[#25]
Does Washington state need tougher gun control laws? (See related article.)

44.5%
Yes

51.8%
No

3.8%
Not sure


Total Votes: 1358

1/5/2007 2:49:01 PM EDT
[#26]
Done.  It says Washington has that pesky open border with Idaho and may still be able to purchase guns.  I don't want that to happen -- they're my guns!
1/5/2007 2:50:04 PM EDT
[#27]
Added another "no" vote for you, #1363
1/5/2007 2:50:51 PM EDT
[#28]
Made Hot http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/index.asp

1/5/2007 2:53:37 PM EDT
[#29]
height=8
Quoted:


please leave the link cold http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/index.asp please leave the link cold

1/5/2007 2:54:28 PM EDT
[#30]
Don't make it hot, they will know we are hitting the poll.  their webmaster will know ar15.com is the referring server.

The link was left cold initially for a reason. Please remove your link.
1/5/2007 2:56:10 PM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:
Don't make it hot, they will know we are hitting the poll.  their webmaster will know ar15.com is the referring server.

The link was left cold initially for a reason. Please remove your link.


Nahhh.
1/5/2007 2:57:22 PM EDT
[#32]
Does Washington state need tougher gun control laws? (See related article.)

43.9%
Yes

52.4%
No

3.7%
Not sure


Total Votes: 1399

1/5/2007 2:59:27 PM EDT
[#33]

Quoted:
Made Hot http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/index.asp




Now that's funny
1/5/2007 3:01:48 PM EDT
[#34]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Don't make it hot, they will know we are hitting the poll.  their webmaster will know ar15.com is the referring server.

The link was left cold initially for a reason. Please remove your link.


Nahhh.


So you prefer to lend aid and comfort to the anti's we must surmise?  JOKER!
1/5/2007 3:02:29 PM EDT
[#35]
1/5/2007 3:09:38 PM EDT
[#36]
voted twice, with cold link.
1/5/2007 3:11:00 PM EDT
[#37]
#1451 says No
1/5/2007 3:15:24 PM EDT
[#38]
Hit It like a "Cock-eyed" prostitute!  
1/5/2007 3:19:44 PM EDT
[#39]
42.5%
Yes

54.0%
No

3.5%
Not sure


Total Votes: 1480

1/5/2007 3:22:12 PM EDT
[#40]
DAILY POLL

Does Washington state need tougher gun control laws? (See related article.)

42.4%
Yes

54.1%
No

3.5%
Not sure

Total Votes: 1486

btt
1/5/2007 3:26:06 PM EDT
[#41]
Boy...  

Three different articles by three different writers and it is as if all three shared the same brain. We are not going to get a fair shake from this rag...
1/5/2007 3:31:49 PM EDT
[#42]
Voted.



BTW - Phil, are you going to meet TRG tonight?
1/5/2007 3:36:57 PM EDT
[#43]
Hit it good.
1/5/2007 4:22:22 PM EDT
[#44]
Done
41.8 yes
54.8 no

How come no one ever says the gun lobby represents us. The majority.
1/5/2007 4:29:36 PM EDT
[#45]

Quoted:
Done
41.8 yes
54.8 no

How come no one ever says the gun lobby represents us. The majority.


Bcause the truth would kill them.
1/5/2007 4:45:47 PM EDT
[#46]

Quoted:
Made Hot http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/index.asp



OOHhhh! you had me going there for a second lol. Thank you all for voting.
1/5/2007 4:48:09 PM EDT
[#47]
Hit it!

Does Washington state need tougher gun control laws? (See related article.)

41.5%
Yes

55.1%
No

3.3%
Not sure


Total Votes: 1661
1/5/2007 4:51:31 PM EDT
[#48]
Crap!  Mods, can we tack this for a day?
1/5/2007 4:53:16 PM EDT
[#49]
Hit
1/5/2007 4:54:29 PM EDT
[#50]
Hit it...
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