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Posted: 1/19/2015 2:58:16 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:01:25 PM EST
I use 3.0 grains of Titegroup in my 9mm loadings and they are plenty fast. 41.0 grains of pistol powder (fast burning) is basically a mini pipe bomb...as evidenced by the photos. Dude is lucky he has two hands still.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:01:53 PM EST
Ruined the rifle, glass a perfectly good hand and at least one pair of shorts.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:03:40 PM EST
Wow.

Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:07:16 PM EST
My reloading bench is in my garage, my powder is stored inside. Only 1 type of powder is allowed in the garage at any one time.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:08:19 PM EST
good god
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:09:58 PM EST
Reading comprehension. Denny has none. The first thing I do before I buy powder is pickup the bottle and make sure I can use it in what I want to reload. Guy is lucky.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:10:50 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MadProfessor:
My reloading bench is in my garage, my powder is stored inside. Only 1 type of powder is allowed in the garage at any one time.
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I follow that advice, except that I have my bench and my powder in the same room. Only one jug of powder is out of the cabinet at a time.


Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:11:13 PM EST
I would like to think I would notice the powder was not extruded as I loaded.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:12:16 PM EST
Rule #5 of reloading.

Know the shape of the powder you are using.



Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:13:59 PM EST
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Originally Posted By TheTallest:
Reading comprehension. Denny has none. The first thing I do before I buy powder is pickup the bottle and make sure I can use it in what I want to reload. Guy is lucky.
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He knew what to use it for he just grabbed the wrong bottle when he started reloading. I do question how an experienced reloader would not know the difference of the grains by sight as they look nothing alike.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:14:58 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:15:19 PM EST
I have been reloading for better part of a decade now and I still only use a single stage and double check every step and I load ALOT. Reloading can be very dangerous and people dont understand when I tell them that I wont load ammo for them. Even if they offer to pay.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:15:37 PM EST
I have a fire proof locker I bought from a going out of business sale. I get out one type of powder at a time to put on the bench.
I always double check the powder type before putting any in the powder dispenser.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:15:56 PM EST
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Originally Posted By samiam513:
Rule #5 of reloading.

Know the shape of the powder you are using.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/nitesite9/Titegroup.jpg

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It even feels different coming out of a powder drop.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:16:01 PM EST
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Originally Posted By samiam513:
Rule #5 of reloading.

Know the shape of the powder you are using.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/nitesite9/Titegroup.jpg

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No shit...

Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:16:44 PM EST
Damn. He's lucky to be live after that rifle blew up.

PSA's like this help remind everyone to correctly ID powder before loading.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:19:22 PM EST
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Originally Posted By DrVenkman87:


He knew what to use it for he just grabbed the wrong bottle when he started reloading.
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Originally Posted By DrVenkman87:
Originally Posted By TheTallest:
Reading comprehension. Denny has none. The first thing I do before I buy powder is pickup the bottle and make sure I can use it in what I want to reload. Guy is lucky.


He knew what to use it for he just grabbed the wrong bottle when he started reloading.
Novice reloader. He didn't know what Varget or Titegroup looked like. Not that visual ID is smart as primary identification, it will keep you somewhat safer since most pistol powders look quite different.

I don't know the volumetric density of Titegroup but that too should be a clue. Guess 41 grains nearly filled the case, meaning he weighed the charge.

More props to Lee as they list VMD and have meaningful calibration of their measures.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:21:18 PM EST
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Originally Posted By MadProfessor:
My reloading bench is in my garage, my powder is stored inside. Only 1 type of powder is allowed in the garage at any one time.
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That's a good idea. I screwed up several months ago. I was loading .9mm and needed to fill the powder hopper. I grabbed the wrong bottle and ended up mixing acute 2015 rifle powder with accurate #5 pistol powder. Had to destroy about a 1/2 lb of powder. Fortunately I measure every 10 rnds so I didn't have to dump to many casings.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:21:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Badass03:

It even feels different coming out of a powder drop.
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Originally Posted By Badass03:
Originally Posted By samiam513:
Rule #5 of reloading.

Know the shape of the powder you are using.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/nitesite9/Titegroup.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/nitesite9/Varget.jpg

It even feels different coming out of a powder drop.
Sounds and feels different pouring in hopper too
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:24:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/19/2015 3:25:20 PM EST by thebeekeeper1]
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:26:42 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Keith_J:
Novice reloader.
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Originally Posted By Keith_J:
Originally Posted By DrVenkman87:
Originally Posted By TheTallest:
Reading comprehension. Denny has none. The first thing I do before I buy powder is pickup the bottle and make sure I can use it in what I want to reload. Guy is lucky.


He knew what to use it for he just grabbed the wrong bottle when he started reloading.
Novice reloader.

RIF

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/tag/titegroup/

At that point, Denny realized what caused the accident — “operator error”. He knew he had to warn others about using the wrong powder: “I knew I needed to share my mistake, even though it is embarrassing, just to remind people. I’ve been reloading for 30 years…”
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:28:15 PM EST
No fucking shit they're not interchangeable...

I converted most of my pistol loads over to Titegroup because it's low throw weight, position ally indifferent and is not affected by temperatures we see around here.

But damn it, no Titegroup has come back to the PNW in like 18 months. Plenty of TiteWAD though...
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:28:28 PM EST
Big mistake, he lucked out
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:28:56 PM EST
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My reloading bench is in my garage, my powder is stored inside. Only 1 type of powder is allowed in the garage at any one time.
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That seems logical and prudent. That dude is lucky he didn't loose an eye as well
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:31:34 PM EST
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Originally Posted By ar-jedi:

RIF

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/tag/titegroup/
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Originally Posted By Keith_J:
Originally Posted By DrVenkman87:
Originally Posted By TheTallest:
Reading comprehension. Denny has none. The first thing I do before I buy powder is pickup the bottle and make sure I can use it in what I want to reload. Guy is lucky.


He knew what to use it for he just grabbed the wrong bottle when he started reloading.
Novice reloader.

RIF

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/tag/titegroup/

At that point, Denny realized what caused the accident — "operator error”. He knew he had to warn others about using the wrong powder: "I knew I needed to share my mistake, even though it is embarrassing, just to remind people. I’ve been reloading for 30 years…”
You may say complacency was his fault. He was a novice because he didn't double check.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:33:03 PM EST
Damn. You would think they would like color code labels like they do with Shotgun shells to try keep mix ups to a minimum.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:34:04 PM EST
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RIF

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/tag/titegroup/
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Originally Posted By Keith_J:
Originally Posted By DrVenkman87:
Originally Posted By TheTallest:
Reading comprehension. Denny has none. The first thing I do before I buy powder is pickup the bottle and make sure I can use it in what I want to reload. Guy is lucky.


He knew what to use it for he just grabbed the wrong bottle when he started reloading.
Novice reloader.

RIF

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/tag/titegroup/

At that point, Denny realized what caused the accident — “operator error”. He knew he had to warn others about using the wrong powder: “I knew I needed to share my mistake, even though it is embarrassing, just to remind people. I’ve been reloading for 30 years…”



I read that and although he may have had reloading equipment for 30 years, that is a very novice mistake.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:35:02 PM EST
If he sues Hogden for this, I hope Charles Schumer sues him for the pipe bomb
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:36:07 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:36:15 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:39:27 PM EST
Friend of mine had that happen once-but his was from buying gunshow powder. Bought some Winchester rifle powder. Not sealed but can was full. Loaded for a .458 based on that powder's data. When he got out of the hospital they had the powder analyzed(I assume the manufacturer asked for the powder and they did it). Turned out to be Winchester rifle powder with a good bit of Bullseye mixed in. He was lucky and got by with some powder burns and little more.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:40:54 PM EST
"a little goes a long way"
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:41:16 PM EST
Ouch
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:41:22 PM EST
so how much pistol powder would be equivalent to rifle? less than 1/3?
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:43:36 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Mister44:
Damn. You would think they would like color code labels like they do with Shotgun shells to try keep mix ups to a minimum.
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Shotshell color coding is not failsafe either. I've had 10, 12 and 20 gauge shells all in green or black before. IIRC the green was Nitro-Steel and black was Winchester Supreme but it's been 15+ years since I've seen them the same color. My current 10 gauge Nitro-Steel are a muddy green-brown color, very different than the typical true brown Federal makes.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:43:52 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:44:17 PM EST
Talk about a brain fart. Hopefully it's not the early stages of dimentia.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:44:53 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:46:05 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Cypher15:
so how much pistol powder would be equivalent to rifle? less than 1/3?
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Depending on the powder possibly less than 1/4. .30-06, for example-a tame load is roughly 45 grains of 4895. I've seen cast bullet plinking loads using Unique listed using 10 grains(never used them, but they're out there)
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:48:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By samiam513:
Rule #5 of reloading.

Know the shape of the powder you are using.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y141/nitesite9/Titegroup.jpg

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This was my thoughts as well. These two powders are not even remotely similar in appearance. The guy got lucky, that's all I can say.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:50:31 PM EST
This is why I don't reload.
And because I don't reload, I don't shoot very much.

Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:50:48 PM EST
Yup, that is what happens....
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:51:59 PM EST
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so how much pistol powder would be equivalent to rifle? less than 1/3?
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Powders are rated by the speed at which they burn. Pistol powders typically burn faster than powders used for rifle loads. And different powders are used for different cartridges, as well. There is not really a way to compare them the way you asked. For instance, you can't substitute a smaller load of pistol powder to equal a rifle load.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:52:45 PM EST
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Yup, that is what happens....
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Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:53:05 PM EST
That's gonna ruin his weekend.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:56:01 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Keith_J:
Novice reloader. He didn't know what Varget or Titegroup looked like. Not that visual ID is smart as primary identification, it will keep you somewhat safer since most pistol powders look quite different.

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Originally Posted By Keith_J:
Originally Posted By DrVenkman87:
Originally Posted By TheTallest:
Reading comprehension. Denny has none. The first thing I do before I buy powder is pickup the bottle and make sure I can use it in what I want to reload. Guy is lucky.


He knew what to use it for he just grabbed the wrong bottle when he started reloading.
Novice reloader. He didn't know what Varget or Titegroup looked like. Not that visual ID is smart as primary identification, it will keep you somewhat safer since most pistol powders look quite different.

I don't know the volumetric density of Titegroup but that too should be a clue. Guess 41 grains nearly filled the case, meaning he weighed the charge.

More props to Lee as they list VMD and have meaningful calibration of their measures.


He had been loading for over 30 years. What he did comment on that he had never loaded Varget before, and had forgotten that he had the Titegroup and grabbed it by mistake and did not look at the labels.(Label facing away)


Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:57:27 PM EST
Wow, that must have made one hell of a racket.
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:58:19 PM EST
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Originally Posted By portablegorilla:
This is why I don't reload.
And because I don't reload, I don't shoot very much.

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Poor reason not to reload IMO... are you scared to drive a vehicle as well?
Link Posted: 1/19/2015 3:59:14 PM EST
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Originally Posted By Keith_J:

You may say complacency was his fault. He was a novice because he didn't double check.
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I've known (Not personally) 30 year master electricians that have electrocuted themselves simply because they didn't double check. There is no way they were novices.



Link Posted: 1/19/2015 4:00:27 PM EST
A friend of my uncles (and a guy that has been reloading for probably 35 or 40 years) was loading for a 7mm mag. He grabbed the wrong bottle off of the shelf and put a faster burning .223 powder into the 7mm mag. Not sure exactly which powders he mixed up though. I don't ask any questions on this subject. My uncle was the one who got to shoot the first round out of the gun. There was fiberglass embedded all around his glasses in his face and the scope went flying over his head. Both of these guys are extremely experienced reloaders.

This all happened a year or so before I started reloading and I took one of the most valuable lessons about reloading from it. Only 1 powder on the bench at any time. Even experienced guys can have slip ups from time to time. It's best to try and do anything you can to prevent them from happening.
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