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12/13/2006 3:36:53 PM EDT
http://www.vpc.org/bushmaster06.htm
12/13/2006 3:51:47 PM EDT
[#1]
Their example of the evil assault rifle designed for the battlefield is a rifle built with predator hunting in mind, and it even says so in the ad.
eta, and it's compliant with the requirements of the 94 AWB, no less.
12/13/2006 3:54:52 PM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:
http://www.vpc.org/bushmaster06.htm
So the Vile Putrid Con-artists are at it again...
12/13/2006 4:07:23 PM EDT
[#3]
The Bullet hose section is HILARIOUS!  They even trotted out the Nazi photos!

12/13/2006 4:07:28 PM EDT
[#4]
Wow some funny shit on that site.

Bullet Hoses

Semiautomatic Assault Weapons—What Are They? What's So Bad About Them?

Ten Key Points about What Assault Weapons Are and Why They Are So Deadly

This study documents the following 10 important key points.

1. Semiautomatic assault weapons (like AK and AR-15 assault rifles and UZI and MAC assault pistols) are civilian versions of military assault weapons. There are virtually no significant differences between them.

2. Military assault weapons are "machine guns." That is, they are capable of fully automatic fire. A machine gun will continue to fire as long as the trigger is held down until the ammunition magazine is empty.

3. Civilian assault weapons are not machine guns. They are semiautomatic weapons. (Since 1986 federal law has banned the sale to civilians of new machine guns.) The trigger of a semiautomatic weapon must be pulled separately for each round fired. It is a mistake to call civilian assault weapons "automatic weapons" or "machine guns."

4. However, this is a distinction without a difference in terms of killing power. Civilian semiautomatic assault weapons incorporate all of the functional design features that make assault weapons so deadly. They are arguably more deadly than military versions, because most experts agree that semiautomatic fire is more accurate—and thus more lethal—than automatic fire.

5. The distinctive "look" of assault weapons is not cosmetic. It is the visual result of specific functional design decisions. Military assault weapons were designed and developed for a specific military purpose—laying down a high volume of fire over a wide killing zone, also known as "hosing down" an area.

6. Civilian assault weapons keep the specific functional design features that make this deadly spray-firing easy. These functional features also distinguish assault weapons from traditional sporting guns.

7. The most significant assault weapon functional design features are: (1) ability to accept a high-capacity ammunition magazine, (2) a rear pistol or thumb-hole grip, and, (3) a forward grip or barrel shroud. Taken together, these are the design features that make possible the deadly and indiscriminate "spray-firing" for which assault weapons are designed. None of them are features of true hunting or sporting guns.

8. "Spray-firing" from the hip, a widely recognized technique for the use of assault weapons in certain combat situations, has no place in civil society. Although assault weapon advocates claim that "spray-firing" and shooting from the hip with such weapons is never done, numerous sources (including photographs and diagrams) show how the functional design features of assault weapons are used specifically for this purpose.

9. Unfortunately, most of the design features listed in the 1994 federal ban—such as bayonet mounts, grenade launchers, silencers, and flash suppressors—have nothing to do with why assault weapons are so deadly. As a result, the gun industry has easily evaded the ban by simply tinkering with these "bells and whistles" while keeping the functional design features listed above.

10. Although the gun lobby today argues that there is no such thing as civilian assault weapons, the gun industry, the National Rifle Association, gun magazines, and others in the gun lobby enthusiastically described these civilian versions as "assault rifles," "assault pistols," "assault-type," and "military assault" weapons to boost civilian assault-weapon sales throughout the 1980s. The industry and its allies only began to use the semantic argument that a "true" assault weapon is a machine gun after civilian assault weapons turned up in inordinate numbers in the hands of drug traffickers, criminal gangs, mass murderers, and other dangerous criminals.
12/13/2006 4:16:09 PM EDT
[#5]

Quoted:
Wow some funny shit on that site.

Bullet Hoses

Semiautomatic Assault Weapons—What Are They? What's So Bad About Them?

Ten Key Points about What Assault Weapons Are and Why They Are So Deadly

This study documents the following 10 important key points.

1. Semiautomatic assault weapons (like AK and AR-15 assault rifles and UZI and MAC assault pistols) are civilian versions of military assault weapons. There are virtually no significant differences between them.

2. Military assault weapons are "machine guns." That is, they are capable of fully automatic fire. A machine gun will continue to fire as long as the trigger is held down until the ammunition magazine is empty.

3. Civilian assault weapons are not machine guns. They are semiautomatic weapons. (Since 1986 federal law has banned the sale to civilians of new machine guns.) The trigger of a semiautomatic weapon must be pulled separately for each round fired. It is a mistake to call civilian assault weapons "automatic weapons" or "machine guns."

4. However, this is a distinction without a difference in terms of killing power. Civilian semiautomatic assault weapons incorporate all of the functional design features that make assault weapons so deadly. They are arguably more deadly than military versions, because most experts agree that semiautomatic fire is more accurate—and thus more lethal—than automatic fire.

5. The distinctive "look" of assault weapons is not cosmetic. It is the visual result of specific functional design decisions. Military assault weapons were designed and developed for a specific military purpose—laying down a high volume of fire over a wide killing zone, also known as "hosing down" an area.

6. Civilian assault weapons keep the specific functional design features that make this deadly spray-firing easy. These functional features also distinguish assault weapons from traditional sporting guns.

7. The most significant assault weapon functional design features are: (1) ability to accept a high-capacity ammunition magazine, (2) a rear pistol or thumb-hole grip, and, (3) a forward grip or barrel shroud. Taken together, these are the design features that make possible the deadly and indiscriminate "spray-firing" for which assault weapons are designed. None of them are features of true hunting or sporting guns.

8. "Spray-firing" from the hip, a widely recognized technique for the use of assault weapons in certain combat situations, has no place in civil society. Although assault weapon advocates claim that "spray-firing" and shooting from the hip with such weapons is never done, numerous sources (including photographs and diagrams) show how the functional design features of assault weapons are used specifically for this purpose.

9. Unfortunately, most of the design features listed in the 1994 federal ban—such as bayonet mounts, grenade launchers, silencers, and flash suppressors—have nothing to do with why assault weapons are so deadly. As a result, the gun industry has easily evaded the ban by simply tinkering with these "bells and whistles" while keeping the functional design features listed above.

10. Although the gun lobby today argues that there is no such thing as civilian assault weapons, the gun industry, the National Rifle Association, gun magazines, and others in the gun lobby enthusiastically described these civilian versions as "assault rifles," "assault pistols," "assault-type," and "military assault" weapons to boost civilian assault-weapon sales throughout the 1980s. The industry and its allies only began to use the semantic argument that a "true" assault weapon is a machine gun after civilian assault weapons turned up in inordinate numbers in the hands of drug traffickers, criminal gangs, mass murderers, and other dangerous criminals.




Since semi automatic weapons are more lethal than full automatic I think that they should reduce the risk by letting all of us exchange our rifles for full auto ones.
12/13/2006 4:21:57 PM EDT
[#6]

8. "Spray-firing" from the hip, a widely recognized technique for the use of assault weapons in certain combat situations, has no place in civil society. Although assault weapon advocates claim that "spray-firing" and shooting from the hip with such weapons is never done, numerous sources (including photographs and diagrams) show how the functional design features of assault weapons are used specifically for this purpose.


I may have to trade my evil AR-15 or FAL for a much safer semiauto BAR
12/13/2006 4:25:05 PM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
Wow some funny shit on that site.



It's really not funny though. That is a well thought out set of lies specifically tailored to teach the evangelists of the gun control movement how to brainwash the uninformed.
12/13/2006 4:27:50 PM EDT
[#8]
OH TEH NOES!  BULLET HOSES!!!

12/13/2006 4:52:31 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Wow some funny shit on that site.



It's really not funny though. That is a well thought out set of lies specifically tailored to teach the evangelists of the gun control movement how to brainwash the uninformed.

You are, unfortunately, completely correct.  

What is the old saying?  There are lies, damn lies and VPC press releases.  



12/13/2006 4:57:05 PM EDT
[#10]
Now this is some funny shit!!!


I can't find an E-Mail so I can clown on them... Anyone find one?
12/13/2006 4:57:44 PM EDT
[#11]
Now this is some funny shit!!!


I can't find an E-Mail so I can clown on them... Anyone find one?
12/13/2006 4:58:17 PM EDT
[#12]
oops Double tap!!!!


Must have had my keyboard set on automatic fire!
12/13/2006 5:06:14 PM EDT
[#13]
Easy to see why they chose the predator.............

Scary-looking (phallic stock?) black rifle with a very scary name.  Heavens to betsy.


12/13/2006 5:20:03 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
Now this is some funny shit!!!


I can't find an E-Mail so I can clown on them... Anyone find one?

Edit Removed


fred
12/13/2006 5:47:06 PM EDT
[#15]
man if i was bushmaster, i'd sue the shit out of them for slander
12/13/2006 5:51:08 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Now this is some funny shit!!!


I can't find an E-Mail so I can clown on them... Anyone find one?


VPC CONTACT


fred



Better yet, their emails are all set up in the following format:

John Doe = "[email protected]"



Just find a person (usually the author of an article), and send an email to their PERSONAL address---the hate mail to the vpc info goes unnoticed.




ETA: ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=526641
12/13/2006 6:18:49 PM EDT
[#17]

Quoted:
man if i was bushmaster, i'd sue the shit out of them for slander


What they're slandering is common sense.  First they claim that the semi automatic versions are more deadly because 'semi-automatic fire is more accurate, and more lethal' according to experts.
Then they move on to about 4 points that are absolutely fantasy fiction, discussing the 'area spray' effect, and 'design features' that make it easy to hold an 'assault' weapon at the hip, and 'spray' targets.
Any simpleton can see that they're really attacking high capacity magazines, both directly and indirectly, since all the rest is obvious tripe.
They back up all this with the lie that assault weapons are used in an 'inordinate' number of crimes, and that there is no place in civil society for them.
Sorry, VPC, but this is the United States, where their place in civil society is protected by the constitution, the law, and also does not contribute to the causes of crime, which you blithely ignore, belying the very name of your organization.
12/13/2006 6:27:33 PM EDT
[#18]
<--- Recently bought a Predator...
12/13/2006 6:29:25 PM EDT
[#19]
"Barrel shrouds, like the one above sold by Bushmaster Firearms for use on the UZI, are "ventilated all around for maximum heat dissipation.""  What is their facination with barrel shrouds.
12/13/2006 6:33:23 PM EDT
[#20]
OMG I have 4 Bushmasters does this mean I am 4x more likely to go into some place and open fire for no reason?  This is really starting to scare me.  I am actually considering selling these guns.  Is there anyone here who wants to become a mass murderer?  If so let me know and I will make you a deal on some tools for your trade.
Disclaimer: The above statement was meant to be purely comical.  I would greatly appreciate not being messaged by future mass murderers and NO none of my guns are for sale.    
12/13/2006 6:39:04 PM EDT
[#21]
The VPC is gaytarded.
12/13/2006 6:42:19 PM EDT
[#22]
email sent.
12/13/2006 6:44:41 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Wow some funny shit on that site.

Bullet Hoses

Semiautomatic Assault Weapons—What Are They? What's So Bad About Them?

Ten Key Points about What Assault Weapons Are and Why They Are So Deadly

This study documents the following 10 important key points.

1. Semiautomatic assault weapons (like AK and AR-15 assault rifles and UZI and MAC assault pistols) are civilian versions of military assault weapons. There are virtually no significant differences between them.

2. Military assault weapons are "machine guns." That is, they are capable of fully automatic fire. A machine gun will continue to fire as long as the trigger is held down until the ammunition magazine is empty.

3. Civilian assault weapons are not machine guns. They are semiautomatic weapons. (Since 1986 federal law has banned the sale to civilians of new machine guns.) The trigger of a semiautomatic weapon must be pulled separately for each round fired. It is a mistake to call civilian assault weapons "automatic weapons" or "machine guns."

4. However, this is a distinction without a difference in terms of killing power. Civilian semiautomatic assault weapons incorporate all of the functional design features that make assault weapons so deadly. They are arguably more deadly than military versions, because most experts agree that semiautomatic fire is more accurate—and thus more lethal—than automatic fire.

5. The distinctive "look" of assault weapons is not cosmetic. It is the visual result of specific functional design decisions. Military assault weapons were designed and developed for a specific military purpose—laying down a high volume of fire over a wide killing zone, also known as "hosing down" an area.

6. Civilian assault weapons keep the specific functional design features that make this deadly spray-firing easy. These functional features also distinguish assault weapons from traditional sporting guns.

7. The most significant assault weapon functional design features are: (1) ability to accept a high-capacity ammunition magazine, (2) a rear pistol or thumb-hole grip, and, (3) a forward grip or barrel shroud. Taken together, these are the design features that make possible the deadly and indiscriminate "spray-firing" for which assault weapons are designed. None of them are features of true hunting or sporting guns.

8. "Spray-firing" from the hip, a widely recognized technique for the use of assault weapons in certain combat situations, has no place in civil society. Although assault weapon advocates claim that "spray-firing" and shooting from the hip with such weapons is never done, numerous sources (including photographs and diagrams) show how the functional design features of assault weapons are used specifically for this purpose.

9. Unfortunately, most of the design features listed in the 1994 federal ban—such as bayonet mounts, grenade launchers, silencers, and flash suppressors—have nothing to do with why assault weapons are so deadly. As a result, the gun industry has easily evaded the ban by simply tinkering with these "bells and whistles" while keeping the functional design features listed above.

10. Although the gun lobby today argues that there is no such thing as civilian assault weapons, the gun industry, the National Rifle Association, gun magazines, and others in the gun lobby enthusiastically described these civilian versions as "assault rifles," "assault pistols," "assault-type," and "military assault" weapons to boost civilian assault-weapon sales throughout the 1980s. The industry and its allies only began to use the semantic argument that a "true" assault weapon is a machine gun after civilian assault weapons turned up in inordinate numbers in the hands of drug traffickers, criminal gangs, mass murderers, and other dangerous criminals.




Since semi automatic weapons are more lethal than full automatic I think that they should reduce the risk by letting all of us exchange our rifles for full auto ones.


Or make the military go back to semiautos.
12/13/2006 6:53:39 PM EDT
[#24]
All contents © 2003 Violence Policy Center

Took you 3yrs to find this?
12/13/2006 6:53:49 PM EDT
[#25]
Can VPC reproduce a BM add on their web site?  Could BM sue?
12/13/2006 6:54:23 PM EDT
[#26]
All I can say is "look at the source."

Any dipshit that would use statistics to back their theory that more guns mean more crime when the statistics show otherwise... well...

Take a look at this link -

http://www.vpc.org/studies/whostate.htm

The two rows that stand out for me are California and Idaho.  California = NOT gun friendly.  Idaho = Gun friendly.  

California = Good place to get killed.  
Idaho = Good place to live.

12/13/2006 7:00:20 PM EDT
[#27]

Quoted:

Quoted:
www.vpc.org/bushmaster06.htm


Their example of the evil assault rifle designed for the battlefield is a rifle built with predator hunting in mind, and it even says so in the ad.
eta, and it's compliant with the requirements of the 94 AWB, no less.


THE LINK WAS LEFT COLD FOR A REASON

DO NOT HOTLINK TO THE VPC
12/13/2006 7:02:34 PM EDT
[#28]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Now this is some funny shit!!!


I can't find an E-Mail so I can clown on them... Anyone find one?


http://www.vpc.org/contact.htm VPC CONTACT


fred


DO NOT HOTLINK TO THE VPC!!

Ye GODS people

They can look in their logs and come right back to this site.
12/13/2006 7:03:11 PM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:
All I can say is "look at the source."

Any dipshit that would use statistics to back their theory that more guns mean more crime when the statistics show otherwise... well...

Take a look at this link -

www.vpc.org/studies/whostate.htm

The two rows that stand out for me are California and Idaho.  California = NOT gun friendly.  Idaho = Gun friendly.  

California = Good place to get killed.  
Idaho = Good place to live.



DO NOT HOTLINK TO THE VPC

PLEASE, EDIT YOUR POST
12/13/2006 7:05:58 PM EDT
[#30]
Bushmaster should sue VPC for copyright violation {using the images without permission}
12/13/2006 7:15:45 PM EDT
[#31]
done. (sorry)
12/13/2006 7:25:18 PM EDT
[#32]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Now this is some funny shit!!!


I can't find an E-Mail so I can clown on them... Anyone find one?


http://www.vpc.org/contact.htm VPC CONTACT


fred


DO NOT HOTLINK TO THE VPC!!

Ye GODS people

They can look in their logs and come right back to this site.


Go ahead and hotlink to 'em. What are they gonna do about it?



Hey motherfucker! We're over here...whatcha gonna do bout that?
12/13/2006 7:28:25 PM EDT
[#33]
Oh noes,
the VPC might find out about arf.com

umm, doods
The VPCs communication director used to post on this board.
Anyone remember Naomi Seligman?

I rather doubt they care where their web hits come from.
12/13/2006 7:30:21 PM EDT
[#34]
..thrust per squeeze comes to mind...
12/13/2006 7:33:56 PM EDT
[#35]
Oh well.

Fuck em.

12/13/2006 7:34:40 PM EDT
[#36]
Man if that Bushmaster Predator had a bayonet lug, I'd grab one of them for sure.  Bayonets make for really scary bullet hoses.
12/13/2006 7:39:13 PM EDT
[#37]
Mass emailing?
12/13/2006 7:50:16 PM EDT
[#38]

Quoted:
All I can say is "look at the source."

Any dipshit that would use statistics to back their theory that more guns mean more crime when the statistics show otherwise... well...

Take a look at this link -

http://www.vpc.org/studies/whostate.htm

The two rows that stand out for me are California and Idaho.  California = NOT gun friendly.  Idaho = Gun friendly.  

California = Good place to get killed.  
Idaho = Good place to live.



Can't believe they put that data with D.C. up there.

(Homicides) Rate per 100,000

DC 57.52

Nice to see their handgun ban is working out
12/13/2006 8:06:43 PM EDT
[#39]

Quoted:

snip

Wow some funny shit on that site.

Bullet Hoses

Semiautomatic Assault Weapons—What Are They? What's So Bad About Them?

Ten Key Points about What Assault Weapons Are and Why They Are So Deadly

This study documents the following 10 important key points.

4. However, this is a distinction without a difference in terms of killing power. Civilian semiautomatic assault weapons incorporate all of the functional design features that make assault weapons so deadly. They are arguably more deadly than military versions, because most experts agree that semiautomatic fire is more accurate—and thus more lethal—than automatic fire.


Well, no shit, I base all of my purchases on killing power.  I won't buy a gun, car, even forks that don't have a rating of +25 KP jewels.
12/13/2006 8:17:03 PM EDT
[#40]
I hate stupid people
12/13/2006 8:21:52 PM EDT
[#41]
"An Intratec ad said the company's TEC-9 "clearly stands out among high capacity assault-type pistols."

LOLZ
12/14/2006 1:23:06 AM EDT
[#42]
I remember in basic when they taught us to fire our M-16s from the hip on full auto.
12/14/2006 7:20:48 AM EDT
[#43]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Quoted:
Now this is some funny shit!!!


I can't find an E-Mail so I can clown on them... Anyone find one?


http://www.vpc.org/contact.htm VPC CONTACT


fred


DO NOT HOTLINK TO THE VPC!!

Ye GODS people


They can look in their logs and come right back to this site.



Wouldn't that be good? We could debate them here??
12/14/2006 7:26:59 AM EDT
[#44]
Yeah we want the people at VPC seeing vids of us bump firing and shooting tannerite  We have enough liberal idiots here, we don't need any more.
12/14/2006 7:49:55 AM EDT
[#45]
Just sent a very derogatory email from my derogator email account
12/14/2006 8:07:31 AM EDT
[#46]
I removed the link from my original post...but i may have created a monster....

fred
12/14/2006 8:14:14 AM EDT
[#47]
Someone with time on their hands should email them a long list of statistics featuring murders by knife, or car accident statistics.

Sites like that make me sick.  Take the guns from the good guys!  Good idea!  Then the bad guys won't have them either!  Wait, where are you going with my TV?!