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I've seen plenty of tacbeards, PC's with no plates, Glocks, AR's and aggressive stances and facial expressions to last me a lifetime.
Are these folks actually gonna go in, take the fight to the perp, do some good, push push push, get the fuck in there, if it comes to it ? If not, it's just photo ops and larping, again. Would be better off passing a law saying it's a felony to stop a parent entering a building in lockdown where they have a kid, and providing legal and financial support to anyone involved in engaging a perp. |
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Quoted: I've seen plenty of tacbeards, PC's with no plates, Glocks, AR's and aggressive stances and facial expressions to last me a lifetime. Are these folks actually gonna go in, take the fight to the perp, do some good, push push push, get the fuck in there, if it comes to it ? If not, it's just photo ops and larping, again. Would be better off passing a law saying it's a felony to stop a parent entering a building in lockdown where they have a kid, and providing legal and financial support to anyone involved in engaging a perp. View Quote If these teachers do nothing but draw a bead on the door into their classroom with the kids hiding behind them they have done more than all the cops in Uvalde to stop school shooters. |
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Quoted: I've seen plenty of tacbeards, PC's with no plates, Glocks, AR's and aggressive stances and facial expressions to last me a lifetime. Are these folks actually gonna go in, take the fight to the perp, do some good, push push push, get the fuck in there, if it comes to it ? If not, it's just photo ops and larping, again. Would be better off passing a law saying it's a felony to stop a parent entering a building in lockdown where they have a kid, and providing legal and financial support to anyone involved in engaging a perp. View Quote Or, it could be the sheriff getting the teaching staff into the right mindset. I spent a couple of decades in education. Plenty of the educators I worked with had a pretty bent attitude toward LEOs. I noticed those attitudes change somewhat when the local SWAT team came to our school and demonstrated school clearing drills. Besides, it's Utah, I can imagine that more than a couple members of the staff were quite familiar with weapons. |
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Quoted: Quoted: If these teachers do nothing but draw a bead on the door into their classroom with the kids hiding behind them they have done more than all the cops in Uvalde to stop school shooters. Exactly. perfectly said. |
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Quoted: I've seen plenty of tacbeards, PC's with no plates, Glocks, AR's and aggressive stances and facial expressions to last me a lifetime. Are these folks actually gonna go in, take the fight to the perp, do some good, push push push, get the fuck in there, if it comes to it ? If not, it's just photo ops and larping, again. Would be better off passing a law saying it's a felony to stop a parent entering a building in lockdown where they have a kid, and providing legal and financial support to anyone involved in engaging a perp. View Quote I’d say they’re more likely to interdict a school shooter than lots of LEOs that have failed said task, based on several school shootings in the past. |
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Quoted: I've seen plenty of tacbeards, PC's with no plates, Glocks, AR's and aggressive stances and facial expressions to last me a lifetime. Are these folks actually gonna go in, take the fight to the perp, do some good, push push push, get the fuck in there, if it comes to it ? If not, it's just photo ops and larping, again. Would be better off passing a law saying it's a felony to stop a parent entering a building in lockdown where they have a kid, and providing legal and financial support to anyone involved in engaging a perp. View Quote Dude, that’s so negative. Are they all going to be Tier Operators? No, of course not. But if one in ten doesn’t freeze and freak out should SHTF, they’re better off than waiting fo LE given recent experiences. My wife, a teacher, has her CCL. It chaff's her that she has to leave her gun in her car in the parking lot. Though, honestly, in her school neighborhood, I’d expect an onslaught of parents coming in like the Calvary… |
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Quoted: I've seen plenty of tacbeards, PC's with no plates, Glocks, AR's and aggressive stances and facial expressions to last me a lifetime. Are these folks actually gonna go in, take the fight to the perp, do some good, push push push, get the fuck in there, if it comes to it ? If not, it's just photo ops and larping, again. Would be better off passing a law saying it's a felony to stop a parent entering a building in lockdown where they have a kid, and providing legal and financial support to anyone involved in engaging a perp. View Quote You’re right……. Why train free American citizens how to use the 2nd in their daily lives… And I can assure you this isn’t just a photo op. This academy has been ongoing for some time. |
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Quoted: Dude, that’s so negative. Are they all going to be Tier Operators? No, of course not. But if one in ten doesn’t freeze and freak out should SHTF, they’re better off than waiting fo LE given recent experiences. My wife, a teacher, has her CCL. It chaff's her that she has to leave her gun in her car in the parking lot. Though, honestly, in her school neighborhood, I’d expect an onslaught of parents coming in like the Calvary… View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I've seen plenty of tacbeards, PC's with no plates, Glocks, AR's and aggressive stances and facial expressions to last me a lifetime. Are these folks actually gonna go in, take the fight to the perp, do some good, push push push, get the fuck in there, if it comes to it ? If not, it's just photo ops and larping, again. Would be better off passing a law saying it's a felony to stop a parent entering a building in lockdown where they have a kid, and providing legal and financial support to anyone involved in engaging a perp. Dude, that’s so negative. Are they all going to be Tier Operators? No, of course not. But if one in ten doesn’t freeze and freak out should SHTF, they’re better off than waiting fo LE given recent experiences. My wife, a teacher, has her CCL. It chaff's her that she has to leave her gun in her car in the parking lot. Though, honestly, in her school neighborhood, I’d expect an onslaught of parents coming in like the Calvary… Yup. I know how your wife feels having to leave her weapon in her car.....pisses me off also. |
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Quoted: You’re right……. Why train free American citizens how to use the 2nd in their daily lives… And I can assure you this isn’t just a photo op. This academy has been ongoing for some time. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I've seen plenty of tacbeards, PC's with no plates, Glocks, AR's and aggressive stances and facial expressions to last me a lifetime. Are these folks actually gonna go in, take the fight to the perp, do some good, push push push, get the fuck in there, if it comes to it ? If not, it's just photo ops and larping, again. Would be better off passing a law saying it's a felony to stop a parent entering a building in lockdown where they have a kid, and providing legal and financial support to anyone involved in engaging a perp. You’re right……. Why train free American citizens how to use the 2nd in their daily lives… And I can assure you this isn’t just a photo op. This academy has been ongoing for some time. |
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Good deal. I hope they are able to put them through some scenarios in an actual school bldg.
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Quoted: Can confirm that they do - not positive about the teacher course, but i know for a fact their SWAT guys and surrounding agencies do drills in actual school buildings. View Quote As did the Ulvade SWAT guys. Yet when it came to it, nobody knew shit about fuck, and nobody put a foot forward. What do we actually know about how these guys drill ? Do they even know how doors are locked, unlocked, how to identify locked status, where to find the keys, how to get through them if no key is available ? Or do they just slow walk down an empty corridor aggressively staring at closed doors on video and call it good ? Like I say, tons of molle, punisher tats and tacbeards, and Karen's fiddlefucking with a gun they only hold once a year. Need to hold off on a Ukraine cash drop and use that money to get some ex-vets in, arm appropriately, put them into senior leadership position in the school hierarchy so they carry some weight in the decision making process, and have them own the whole security picture, from infrastructure, training, drills. No reason why they are not as well prepared and practiced as a team responsible for embassy security are. |
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Quoted: Can confirm that they do - not positive about the teacher course, but i know for a fact their SWAT guys and surrounding agencies do drills in actual school buildings. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Good deal. I hope they are able to put them through some scenarios in an actual school bldg. Can confirm that they do - not positive about the teacher course, but i know for a fact their SWAT guys and surrounding agencies do drills in actual school buildings. my former school district offered on-ground scenarios to all staff. The problem was it wasn't mandatory. |
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Good on that Dept. The one in the next county is doing the same. Our SD, crickets.
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Quoted: Yup. I know how your wife feels having to leave her weapon in her car.....pisses me off also. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've seen plenty of tacbeards, PC's with no plates, Glocks, AR's and aggressive stances and facial expressions to last me a lifetime. Are these folks actually gonna go in, take the fight to the perp, do some good, push push push, get the fuck in there, if it comes to it ? If not, it's just photo ops and larping, again. Would be better off passing a law saying it's a felony to stop a parent entering a building in lockdown where they have a kid, and providing legal and financial support to anyone involved in engaging a perp. Dude, that’s so negative. Are they all going to be Tier Operators? No, of course not. But if one in ten doesn’t freeze and freak out should SHTF, they’re better off than waiting fo LE given recent experiences. My wife, a teacher, has her CCL. It chaff's her that she has to leave her gun in her car in the parking lot. Though, honestly, in her school neighborhood, I’d expect an onslaught of parents coming in like the Calvary… Yup. I know how your wife feels having to leave her weapon in her car.....pisses me off also. Some schools let you carry. Some even encourage you to carry. |
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Quoted: If these teachers do nothing but draw a bead on the door into their classroom with the kids hiding behind them they have done more than all the cops in Uvalde to stop school shooters. View Quote We’re going to find out sooner or later that teachers are carrying out of fear anyway. It’s human nature. We might as well allow it and provide quality training. Hell that alone might stop or drastically reduce school mass murders. Knowing there’s a good chance you’ll get shot early on in a spree works everywhere else guns are allowed. |
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When I was an LTC instructor in TX there was a special class
run for teachers to carry in the classroom. Know how many took the class with me? Zero. There were at least two other instructors in town that I spoke to. Know how many they trained? Zero. In 2+ years as an instructor to the best of my knowledge no teachers took my course, even one of my co worker's wives that I agreed to run a free class for along with however many of her teacher friends that wanted to come. I'm glad they're training. I hope they will be allowed to carry in class and will be willing to do what's necessary to survive and protect their students. I just am jaded as far as teachers go I guess. |
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Quoted: Yup. I know how your wife feels having to leave her weapon in her car.....pisses me off also. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've seen plenty of tacbeards, PC's with no plates, Glocks, AR's and aggressive stances and facial expressions to last me a lifetime. Are these folks actually gonna go in, take the fight to the perp, do some good, push push push, get the fuck in there, if it comes to it ? If not, it's just photo ops and larping, again. Would be better off passing a law saying it's a felony to stop a parent entering a building in lockdown where they have a kid, and providing legal and financial support to anyone involved in engaging a perp. Dude, that’s so negative. Are they all going to be Tier Operators? No, of course not. But if one in ten doesn’t freeze and freak out should SHTF, they’re better off than waiting fo LE given recent experiences. My wife, a teacher, has her CCL. It chaff's her that she has to leave her gun in her car in the parking lot. Though, honestly, in her school neighborhood, I’d expect an onslaught of parents coming in like the Calvary… Yup. I know how your wife feels having to leave her weapon in her car.....pisses me off also. I’m in the same boat with my wife. |
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Quoted: Some schools let you carry. Some even encourage you to carry. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've seen plenty of tacbeards, PC's with no plates, Glocks, AR's and aggressive stances and facial expressions to last me a lifetime. Are these folks actually gonna go in, take the fight to the perp, do some good, push push push, get the fuck in there, if it comes to it ? If not, it's just photo ops and larping, again. Would be better off passing a law saying it's a felony to stop a parent entering a building in lockdown where they have a kid, and providing legal and financial support to anyone involved in engaging a perp. Dude, that’s so negative. Are they all going to be Tier Operators? No, of course not. But if one in ten doesn’t freeze and freak out should SHTF, they’re better off than waiting fo LE given recent experiences. My wife, a teacher, has her CCL. It chaff's her that she has to leave her gun in her car in the parking lot. Though, honestly, in her school neighborhood, I’d expect an onslaught of parents coming in like the Calvary… Yup. I know how your wife feels having to leave her weapon in her car.....pisses me off also. Some schools let you carry. Some even encourage you to carry. Take a look at my state.....not so common here. |
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Quoted: Quoted: If these teachers do nothing but draw a bead on the door into their classroom with the kids hiding behind them they have done more than all the cops in Uvalde to stop school shooters. Exactly. biometric pistol box in each classroom ? |
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Quoted: biometric pistol box in each classroom ? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If these teachers do nothing but draw a bead on the door into their classroom with the kids hiding behind them they have done more than all the cops in Uvalde to stop school shooters. Exactly. biometric pistol box in each classroom ? howabout a real effective pistol on the instructor? Who says the teacher could get to the box in time? |
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Quoted: Yep. I thought it was money behind teachers not wanting to take the state class to get certified to carry on campus, so I offered to teach a group free. Crickets. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: my former school district offered on-ground scenarios to all staff. The problem was it wasn't mandatory. Yep. I thought it was money behind teachers not wanting to take the state class to get certified to carry on campus, so I offered to teach a group free. Crickets. Hell, I'd have taken the NRA instructors course on my own dime if I felt the districts I worked for would have followed through with it....... |
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Quoted: When I was an LTC instructor in TX there was a special class run for teachers to carry in the classroom. Know how many took the class with me? Zero. There were at least two other instructors in town that I spoke to. Know how many they trained? Zero. In 2+ years as an instructor to the best of my knowledge no teachers took my course, even one of my co worker's wives that I agreed to run a free class for along with however many of her teacher friends that wanted to come. I'm glad they're training. I hope they will be allowed to carry in class and will be willing to do what's necessary to survive and protect their students. I just am jaded as far as teachers go I guess. View Quote Teachers are representative of the population as a whole in that most teachers are too afraid/emotionally immature to choose to carry a concealed handgun. That's not a dig at teachers, that's just reality. Of course, there are many teachers that are ready and willing to carry a concealed handgun and turn the tables against an active shooter, but sadly, they're in the minority. In a just, moral world, a school shooter would get vented by five teachers at the same time. Alas, reality is often disappointing. ETA: the vast majority of teachers who want to carry cannot do so because of either their state's laws or because their district won't allow it. Every single school district in my county voted to not allow teachers to carry, which is fucking infuriating, even though HB99 dropped the training requirements to 24 hours. Nope, we're going to keep subjecting students to lockdown drills that only lead to trauma and fear, and keep demanding that the government infringes on the Second Amendment rights of law-abiding citizens. Fantastic. |
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Quoted: We’re going to find out sooner or later that teachers are carrying out of fear anyway. It’s human nature. We might as well allow it and provide quality training. Hell that alone might stop or drastically reduce school mass murders. Knowing there’s a good chance you’ll get shot early on in a spree works everywhere else guns are allowed. View Quote This guy gets it. |
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This is awesome.
I worked in education for a couple decades and this type of training was never an option. I had teachers in the building that were previously in the military and were currently in the Guard. I also had a couple of SROs that sat on their ass and did absolutely nothing all day every day, especially when I needed them to do something sometimes. Pathetic PHX PD sent them to us, in Maryvale, where we really needed some help. I hope this type of training catches on all around the country. Bravo |
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I'm skeptical about teachers carrying, only because it's a pain in the ass and "it's safe here" not because the locals wouldn't happily shoot it out.
also it's tough for women to conceal carry. Their clothes make it inconvenient to carry. I bet most carry in a purse, but will they have somewhere to lock a purse up? |
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Quoted: I'm skeptical about teachers carrying, only because it's a pain in the ass and "it's safe here" not because the locals wouldn't happily shoot it out. also it's tough for women to conceal carry. Their clothes make it inconvenient to carry. I bet most carry in a purse, but will they have somewhere to lock a purse up? View Quote Have faith. You need someone inside. I had a female teacher that served in Iraq, she was and is a bad ass….AND a former student of the school she taught at. I choose her over any of the SROs I ever had. EDIT: perfect setting for Fanny pack |
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Quoted: Would be better off passing a law saying it's a felony to stop a parent entering a building in lockdown where they have a kid, and providing legal and financial support to anyone involved in engaging a perp. View Quote No, unless your plan is to get shot when you're mistaken for a bad guy |
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Quoted: No, unless your plan is to get shot when you're mistaken for a bad guy View Quote Correct. The parents of my students looked bad ass and were badass, because they were from the neighborhood. You couldn’t tell them from the bad guys. However, 99% of them were great people just trying to get the best for their kids. |
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Quoted: I'm skeptical about teachers carrying, only because it's a pain in the ass and "it's safe here" not because the locals wouldn't happily shoot it out. also it's tough for women to conceal carry. Their clothes make it inconvenient to carry. I bet most carry in a purse, but will they have somewhere to lock a purse up? View Quote Being a pain in the ass is an EXCELLENT filter. If you aren't willing to put up with wardrobe limitations and some occasional discomfort, you probably aren't going to be willing to put in the work you need to fight with a gun anyway. Let the ones dedicated enough to do so carry guns. It's free, it's a faster response than any other option, and it's an excellent deterrent. |
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They need to go to Uvalde, TX and teach that police department how to choot.
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Quoted: No, unless your plan is to get shot when you're mistaken for a bad guy View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Would be better off passing a law saying it's a felony to stop a parent entering a building in lockdown where they have a kid, and providing legal and financial support to anyone involved in engaging a perp. No, unless your plan is to get shot when you're mistaken for a bad guy There was a video here over the weekend of a state trooper who punched a handcuffed suspect who refused to get in a patrol car after an extended shoving match. The trooper was charged with a felony, the local cops who were there all got charged with misdemeanors. It's a lot easier to end up as a defendant over use of force than it was years ago. I know on Arfcom there are "well it's your own fault" posts about armed citizens being shot by police who assume them to be criminals, but I think just like Floyd's death changed public perception of policing so did Uvalde. |
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Quoted: If these teachers do nothing but draw a bead on the door into their classroom with the kids hiding behind them they have done more than all the cops in Uvalde to stop school shooters. View Quote Attached File |
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Quoted: No, unless your plan is to get shot when you're mistaken for a bad guy View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Would be better off passing a law saying it's a felony to stop a parent entering a building in lockdown where they have a kid, and providing legal and financial support to anyone involved in engaging a perp. No, unless your plan is to get shot when you're mistaken for a bad guy |
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Quoted: After Uvalde I think parent shooting cops better be willing to play checkers with Derek Chauvin. There was a video here over the weekend of a state trooper who punched a handcuffed suspect who refused to get in a patrol car after an extended shoving match. The trooper was charged with a felony, the local cops who were there all got charged with misdemeanors. It's a lot easier to end up as a defendant over use of force than it was years ago. I know on Arfcom there are "well it's your own fault" posts about armed citizens being shot by police who assume them to be criminals, but I think just like Floyd's death changed public perception of policing so did Uvalde. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Would be better off passing a law saying it's a felony to stop a parent entering a building in lockdown where they have a kid, and providing legal and financial support to anyone involved in engaging a perp. No, unless your plan is to get shot when you're mistaken for a bad guy There was a video here over the weekend of a state trooper who punched a handcuffed suspect who refused to get in a patrol car after an extended shoving match. The trooper was charged with a felony, the local cops who were there all got charged with misdemeanors. It's a lot easier to end up as a defendant over use of force than it was years ago. I know on Arfcom there are "well it's your own fault" posts about armed citizens being shot by police who assume them to be criminals, but I think just like Floyd's death changed public perception of policing so did Uvalde. |
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There have been myriad examples of teachers performing true acts of heroism under duress. They tackle armed attackers. They barricade classroom doors, holding them closed against all attempts at entry. They shield their students with their own bodies... and many times pay the ultimate price for their heroism.
If they're capable of those kinds of heroic acts when forcibly disarmed, imagine what they would be capable of if they were allowed to arm themselves in whatever manner suited them? |
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