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Posted: 3/7/2006 8:07:04 PM EDT
http://carlisle-www.army.mil/usawc/Parameters/1992/dunlap.htm

Written in 1992, some is dated, some is prophetic. Especially interesting is the part about the "Second Gulf War" and how it goes.

Here in 2006, both parties are doing a shitty job looking out for the interests of AMERICA. Hitlary may be the next Commander in Chief. Who knows what grotesque misuse of .mil she will attempt and what it might lead to?

Maybe Avian Flu will be the triggering event.

The article is a genuine .mil publication.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 8:07:53 PM EDT
Sounds interesting...
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 8:08:16 PM EDT
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 8:15:32 PM EDT
A coup would be a crushing blow to the democratic system we have fought and died for the past 200+ years.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 8:18:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By -Absolut-:
A coup would be a crushing blow to the democratic system we have fought and died for the past 200+ years.



well that goes without saying. unfortunately, the autocratic system that we are in right now is pretty ineffective at getting anything productive done
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 8:19:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By -Absolut-:
A coup would be a crushing blow to the democratic system we have fought and died for the past 200+ years.



Maybe it would set the system back like it was intended to be instead of how it is now.

Our founding fathers would have started another revolution a long time ago if they had to live with the government we have now.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 9:36:34 PM EDT
Can't and won't happen here.

For a coup to succeed, the plotters must present themselves to others with power as really the only way forward politically. This country has a history of ups and downs with presidents, and statistically everyone agrees that no matter how bad things can get with our government, few can envision a coup making things better.

The 1991 attempted coup in Russia was not incompetantly planned; it is that the coup plotters were ignored after they made their move. It seems folks had thier fill of communism, and after several days "in charge" they were arrested by the army, the police, the common man in the street.
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 9:39:37 PM EDT
The only way this Country wil ever return to the intent of the framers is if we again prohibit lawyers from holding public office!
Link Posted: 3/7/2006 9:43:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/7/2006 9:44:23 PM EDT by Max_Mike]
That is part of what the War Collage does... kick around possibilities… not a chance in hell of it happening.
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 2:59:48 AM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 3:04:28 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 4:00:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:
Seven Days in May



Or for those who prefer pictures over words:

www.imdb.com/title/tt0058576/
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 4:08:22 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 5:10:30 AM EDT
tag for later
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 5:14:30 AM EDT
service guarantees citizenship?

Link Posted: 3/8/2006 5:23:35 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/8/2006 5:24:11 AM EDT by gardenWeasel]

Originally Posted By AROptics:

Maybe Avian Flu will be the triggering event.



That's a stretch.

Link Posted: 3/8/2006 5:38:42 AM EDT
The Marian/Sullaian/Napoleonic/Hitlerian paradigm will not work here in America...BECAUSE out Founders recognized the dangers of the "Cult of Personality" and built certain safeguards into the Contsitution.

All political officials and military personnel take a solemn oath to support and defend the CONSTITUTION of the USA...NOT a person, group, cult, oligarchy, prince or ANY other entity, dead or alive.

For any coup scenario to succeed, it would require that literally THOUSANDS of military personnel toss aside their oaths and submit to the dark side.

Ridiculous premise.

Sorry...but this dog don't hunt!
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 7:01:32 AM EDT
The problem with this country is there are too many liberals. Not even a military coup would solve that problem unless they are willing to run concentration camps to rid the country of libs.
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 7:09:03 AM EDT
There was a good movie about this, maybe 10 years ago (?), was actually a remake from the original, where at the end the Genearl asks the lone officer (who fought the coup) "Do you know who judas was?", "yes he was once the man I worked for."
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 7:10:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By -Absolut-:
A coup would be a crushing blow to the democratic system we have fought and died for the past 200+ years.



Learn that in college did ya?

Link Posted: 3/8/2006 7:11:05 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 7:17:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By pogo:
Can't and won't happen here.



Has happened and will again!

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
(George Santayana)

Mike

Link Posted: 3/8/2006 7:19:07 AM EDT
would require an extraordinary charismatic person and/or an extraordinary series of events...

the extraordinary charismatic leader would have to be presented with a nation-threatening situation which he lead us out of, followed by his possible replacement by a certified idiot wherein the nation chooese the popular saviour as opposed to the assclown alternative.

my guess is that someday this scenario will happen in america. seems to happen in just about every civilization eventually. just takes the right sequence of events and personalities. you can talk about the guarantees of the constitution all you want. its is only as good as the people who support and defend it.
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 7:21:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By pcsutton:
The only way this Country wil ever return to the intent of the framers is if we again prohibit lawyers from holding public office!



The words "again" and "return" imply that we've done it before. This would come as a surprise to the likes of Jefferson, Madison and Adams, not to mention the Of the 35 of the 55 delegates at the Constitutinal Convention who were lawyers or had legal training.
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 7:21:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By MauserMark:
There was a good movie about this, maybe 10 years ago (?), was actually a remake from the original, where at the end the Genearl asks the lone officer (who fought the coup) "Do you know who judas was?", "yes he was once the man I worked for."




The Enemy Within

Link Posted: 3/8/2006 7:25:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By LWilde:

All political officials and military personnel take a solemn oath to support and defend the CONSTITUTION of the USA...NOT a person, group, cult, oligarchy, prince or ANY other entity, dead or alive.



lololololololol
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 7:27:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/8/2006 7:33:00 AM EDT by WyattEarp]
Wasn't there a rumor that SecofState/Gen. Alexander Haig flirted with the idea of a coup after Reagan was shot? or is that bs?
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 7:29:14 AM EDT
God, I hope Hilary wins the dem primary! That fucking useless cunt will isolate not only everybody who is not super liberal, but a lot of her fellow liberal dems too! With that bitch running for president, the republicans would win in a clean sweep!
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 7:35:19 AM EDT
Not likely because the military reports to a civilian, and the police are mostly not part of the military. In most countries around the world, the military and police reports converge to a single person. Of course, the need for support of both the military and police is because they have the guns.
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 7:40:58 AM EDT
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 7:49:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/8/2006 7:54:40 AM EDT by motown_steve]
At this time, it may be worth pointing out that during the revolution that led to the collapse of the Soviet Union the Russian military sided with Boris Yeltzin and the democratic system of Russia rather than the communists that they had been serving for almost a century.

The military is made up of rank and file citizens from across the spectrum of society. They aren't going to turn their rifles on their friends and neighbors without some kind of crisis in the works. Pandemic, WMD attack, etc.

I don't fear the army. What I do fear is the army of federal agents with their paramilitary training and military equiptment.
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 8:02:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WyattEarp:
Wasn't there a rumor that SecofState/Gen. Alexander Haig flirted with the idea of a coup after Reagan was shot? or is that bs?




After Reagan was shot, Haig said:


Constitutionally, gentlemen, you have the president, the vice president and the secretary of state, in that order, and should the president decide he wants to transfer the helm to the vice president, he will do so. As for now, I'm in control here, in the White House, pending the return of the vice president and in close touch with him. If something came up, I would check with him, of course.


The media tried to spin that into some sort of coup. In fact, it was merely a correct statement of the political reality and the pecking order within the executive branch (although not a correct statement of the Constitutional line of succession, in which the Speaker of the House and the President pro tempore of the Senate take precedence over the Secretary of State). Haig never did anything remotely resembling a coup; as the highest ranking executive official in Washington, he merely took charge when the President was incapacitated and the Vice President unavailable.
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 10:36:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/8/2006 12:38:16 PM EDT by AROptics]

Originally Posted By LWilde:
The Marian/Sullaian/Napoleonic/Hitlerian paradigm will not work here in America...BECAUSE out Founders recognized the dangers of the "Cult of Personality" and built certain safeguards into the Contsitution.

All political officials and military personnel take a solemn oath to support and defend the CONSTITUTION of the USA...NOT a person, group, cult, oligarchy, prince or ANY other entity, dead or alive.

For any coup scenario to succeed, it would require that literally THOUSANDS of military personnel toss aside their oaths and submit to the dark side.

Ridiculous premise.

Sorry...but this dog don't hunt!



Of the 60 important battles of the Civil War, 55 were commanded by West Point graduates on BOTH sides. Of the others, a USMA graduate commanded one side or the other.

We had the same Constitution during the Civil War. Near 600,000 Americans died fighting each other when the total population was a measly 31 million.
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 10:43:12 AM EDT
The actual .gov we have seems to have very little to do with the Constitution. Some of the politicians we have would seem to require removal according to the oath I swore many times.
US out of Iraq! Time for us to occupy America!
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 10:45:01 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AROptics:

Originally Posted By LWilde:
The Marian/Sullaian/Napoleonic/Hitlerian paradigm will not work here in America...BECAUSE out Founders recognized the dangers of the "Cult of Personality" and built certain safeguards into the Contsitution.

All political officials and military personnel take a solemn oath to support and defend the CONSTITUTION of the USA...NOT a person, group, cult, oligarchy, prince or ANY other entity, dead or alive.

For any coup scenario to succeed, it would require that literally THOUSANDS of military personnel toss aside their oaths and submit to the dark side.

Ridiculous premise.

Sorry...but this dog don't hunt!



Of the 60 important battles of the Civil War, 55 were commanded my West Point graduates on BOTH sides. Of the others, a USMA graduate commanded one side or the other.

We had the same Constitution during the Civil War. Near 600,000 Americans died fighting each other.



If the North had not invaded the South nobody would have died... the dog still don't hunt.

The US military is not going to launch a coup. It takes a supreme amount of ignorance of the US military to take the proposition seriously.
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 10:46:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:
Seven Days in May


That's where I was heading.

You beat me to it.

Eric The(LifeImitatesArt)Hun
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 10:47:43 AM EDT
We did have a Military Coup and we lost anyone remeber the "War for Southern Independance"? When Lee surendered the Republic died. Been picking up steam going downhill ever since.

Link Posted: 3/8/2006 11:09:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By vito113:
Seven Days in May



Good flick. I watched it in Poli Sci 101 about three years ago.
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 11:12:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By dread-pirate:
We did have a Military Coup and we lost anyone remeber the "War for Southern Independance"? When Lee surendered the Republic died. Been picking up steam going downhill ever since.




That was a different matter entirely. Succession is not a coup. It would have been a coup if the military had removed Lincoln from office and installed their own leader. Rather the Confederation was a political AND millitary rebellion, which is a different matter.

JFKs killing was a coup. I believe that LBJ was involved in some manner, and probably the CIA, but not the military.
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 11:21:18 AM EDT

Originally Posted By -Absolut-:
A coup would be a crushing blow to the democratic Republican system we have fought and died for the past 200+ years.



Again, not to be an ass....but this is important.
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 11:21:34 AM EDT

Originally Posted By dread-pirate:
We did have a Military Coup and we lost anyone remeber the "War for Southern Independance"? When Lee surendered the Republic died. Been picking up steam going downhill ever since.





Yea...the Republic died the day the South tried to leave it.
You really think that either the North, or the South could have existed for very long, without each other?
Why do you think the Europeans were so keen on helping the South win the war?
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 11:42:15 AM EDT
The British were keen on the south winning because their textile mills were supplied by southern cotton.
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 11:54:07 AM EDT

Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD:
The problem with this country is there are too many liberals. Not even a military coup would solve that problem unless they are willing to run concentration camps to rid the country of libs.



In, on wings of tin foil, flies the Denver Airport.
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 4:33:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By KS_Physicist:

Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD:
The problem with this country is there are too many liberals. Not even a military coup would solve that problem unless they are willing to run concentration camps to rid the country of libs.



In, on wings of tin foil, flies the Denver Airport.



My point is that even a military junta isn't willing to do that. So why bother having a coup?
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 5:44:21 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/8/2006 6:49:41 PM EDT

"something [was] coming loose in the social infrastructure."



The country suffered from a "deep pessimism about politicians and government after years of broken promises."


Both standout as truths which imperil the Republic.



Focusing on the military's policy to exclude homosexuals from service, advocates of "political correctness" succeeded in driving ROTC from the campuses of some of our best universities.[69] In many instances they also prevailed in barring military recruiters from campus.


This clearly was attempted and just shot down by SCOTUS

The author seems to believe that there could be a military coup. I do not see it happening at anytime in the foreseeable future. I do not believe that free Americans would stand for it. The enigmatic consideration for me would be that I think it likely that it would be conservatives that would stand against it. The Sheeple might voice inital outrage but in the end they like being herded. It makes them feel more secure in a perverse sort of way.

Were it to happen however, it would be one more similarity with Rome, an Empire with which we have many. From a Republic to a dictatorship, in which case it should be remembered:


"all power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely."


There does seem to be a general and gradual erosion into our freedoms but it will take some time for us to get to this point. If nothing else a puppet gov't would be left in place to give the illusion of democracy. And perhaps that has already been instituted. The fact that I see virtually no difference between the Parties at this point would lead to some concern over that matter.

We must remain vigilant. That is the message.
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 8:03:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3/8/2006 8:05:18 PM EDT by King_of_All_Tyrants]
Coup in the US? No way.

For a coup to happen the military has to be REALLY politicized and divided against the government. Yes, this is the case in the Phillippines or any of number of third world countries. But that's not the US military and we'd never see our officer corps doing this. "Reform the Armed Forces" (a blatantly political association of Philippine military officers) doesn't have a US military chapter.

If someone did this there would be SO much opposition - both within the military and in the greater US - that he'd never get away with it. In fact, you'd see me taking to the streets........
Link Posted: 3/8/2006 8:10:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By thedoctors308:

Originally Posted By dread-pirate:
We did have a Military Coup and we lost anyone remeber the "War for Southern Independance"? When Lee surendered the Republic died. Been picking up steam going downhill ever since.





Yea...the Republic died the day the South tried to leave it.
You really think that either the North, or the South could have existed for very long, without each other?
Why do you think the Europeans were so keen on helping the South win the war?



Whether you think the USA and the CSA could have survived as independent countries is bedside the point. Either way, Lincoln murdered the Republic in the North when he declared war on its founding principles. (Ever read the Declaration of Independence? It could have been written as a manifesto on the South's right to secede.) When Lee surrendered, that killed what remained of the Republic in the South. It was all over when "These United States" became "The United States," and the Federal Government became the master of the States rather than their servant.
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