[ARCHIVED THREAD] - USS Cesar Chavez (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 5/17/2011 5:21:29 PM EDT
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http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/05/san-diego-area-congressman-blasts-navys-decision-to-name-ship-for-cesar-chavez.html
San Diego area Rep. Duncan Hunter criticizes Navy's decision to name ship for Cesar Chavez |
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First of all, it would be USNS not USS. This is the same class of ship that has a ship named for Medgar Evers. Marine Sgt. Rafael Peralta, deserves a warship, not a supply ship. It is Navy tradition to name destroyers and frigates after Naval heros. I guess the new tradition is to name cargo ships after assholes. 
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First of all, it would be USNS not USS. This is the same class of ship that has a ship named for Medgar Evers. Marine Sgt. Rafael Peralta, deserves a warship, not a supply ship. It is Navy tradition to name destroyers and frigates after Naval heros. I guess the new tradition is to name cargo ships after assholes. Let's be perfectly honest here. We don't have enough ships to go around. We need more. Ships cost a lot of money. If it takes naming some ships after certain political characters to get more, so be it. The end result is still good for the U.S. of A. If you want to pass a law that only allows carriers to have traditional names, SSBNs after states, SSNs after fish, CGs after battles, DDG/LCS/FFG after Naval heroes, and auxiliary ships after planetary bodies, I'm all for it. Until then let's get the hulls we need in the water to further our nation's goals. Realpolitik is a bitch. |
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I don't necessarily see the problem. While he may not be a great naval hero, he is a figure, not necessarily infamous, in US history. How is it any different than from the
USS Simon Bolivar USS Mariano G. Vallejo USS Kamehameha USS Tecumseh or for that matter.......USS Robert E. Lee? Pick any person from history and there is bound to be some disagreement about their life. But really, I believe it is rather low comparing this man with Castro. ________________________________________________ ("Zukovsky must have really hated you."––Elektra King after witnessing him use his last shot in life at 007 instead of killing her, the killer of his son, (w,stte), "TWINE") |
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First of all, it would be USNS not USS. This is the same class of ship that has a ship named for Medgar Evers. Marine Sgt. Rafael Peralta, deserves a warship, not a supply ship. It is Navy tradition to name destroyers and frigates after Naval heros. I guess the new tradition is to name cargo ships after assholes. Let's be perfectly honest here. We don't have enough ships to go around. We need more. Ships cost a lot of money. If it takes naming some ships after certain political characters to get more, so be it. The end result is still good for the U.S. of A. If you want to pass a law that only allows carriers to have traditional names, SSBNs after states, SSNs after fish, CGs after battles, DDG/LCS/FFG after Naval heroes, and auxiliary ships after planetary bodies, I'm all for it. Until then let's get the hulls we need in the water to further our nation's goals. Realpolitik is a bitch. Was it not traditionally battleships that had State names and SSBNs that had the names of statesmen and founding fathers and the like? Seems like naming any kind of sub after a State is a relatively recent phenomenon. |
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First of all, it would be USNS not USS. This is the same class of ship that has a ship named for Medgar Evers. Marine Sgt. Rafael Peralta, deserves a warship, not a supply ship. It is Navy tradition to name destroyers and frigates after Naval heros. I guess the new tradition is to name cargo ships after assholes. Let's be perfectly honest here. We don't have enough ships to go around. We need more. Ships cost a lot of money. If it takes naming some ships after certain political characters to get more, so be it. The end result is still good for the U.S. of A. If you want to pass a law that only allows carriers to have traditional names, SSBNs after states, SSNs after fish, CGs after battles, DDG/LCS/FFG after Naval heroes, and auxiliary ships after planetary bodies, I'm all for it. Until then let's get the hulls we need in the water to further our nation's goals. Realpolitik is a bitch. Was it not traditionally battleships that had State names and SSBNs that had the names of statesmen and founding fathers and the like? Seems like naming any kind of sub after a State is a relatively recent phenomenon. Yes. However, there are no more battleships, and the whole tradition of naming ships after political figures started with the SSBNs. "Fish don't vote." |
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USS William Tecumseh Sherman Brought the South to it's knees, what will a CVN with that name leading a CVBG do you your country if it was parked off it's coast. 
Probably not a darn thing..................because who knows what that name means outside the US? If anything, they will probably have this image in their mind 
or worse 
Besides, the General was Army, not Navy, not Marines. Naming carriers for people who are not Navy, not of aviation, and not conquerors for the US empire, makes about as much sense as the naming system now. Getting back to the issue at hand, I am curious, why the level of HATE for this man? Why is he compared to our enemies overseas? Quoted:
Yes. However, there are no more battleships, and the whole tradition of naming ships after political figures started with the SSBNs. "Fish don't vote." Something else about that which non Navy may not realize. One of the tricks to getting funds for one's recreation/welfare budget is to contact the people associated with the name of the ship to see if they want to sponsor. Hence, the State, the City, the County, perhaps the birthplace of the named, and so forth. Might be kind of hard to pull that off if one is named after a fish. _________________________________________________________________________________ ("Do you know who I am?"––Stephen King in an American Express commercial, (w,stte)) |
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There's a USS Murtha. Why not a Chavez ? Hell, why not a Honecker or Field Marshal Cinque ? you guys are shocked only because you are young, I have seen the US military move to a more socialist political environment for the last 25 years. It all started when we let women in jump school and they had to reduce the number of chin ups as well as make the runs around the field less "stressful". Then women in makeup showed up, day care showed up, women in subs showed up and now gays getting married. Social issues are now military issues people. Yep, thanks for keeping us free boys. |
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Quoted: I don't necessarily see the problem. While he may not be a great naval hero, he is a figure, not necessarily infamous, in US history. How is it any different than from the USS Simon Bolivar USS Mariano G. Vallejo USS Kamehameha USS Tecumseh or for that matter.......USS Robert E. Lee? Pick any person from history and there is bound to be some disagreement about their life. But really, I believe it is rather low comparing this man with Castro. ________________________________________________ ("Zukovsky must have really hated you."––Elektra King after witnessing him use his last shot in life at 007 instead of killing her, the killer of his son, (w,stte), "TWINE") The original "41 for freedom" SSBNs were named after all kinds of people. When the tridents came out they named them for states. |
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I don't necessarily see the problem. While he may not be a great naval hero, he is a figure, not necessarily infamous, in US history. How is it any different than from the USS Simon Bolivar USS Mariano G. Vallejo USS Kamehameha USS Tecumseh or for that matter.......USS Robert E. Lee? Pick any person from history and there is bound to be some disagreement about their life. But really, I believe it is rather low comparing this man with Castro. The original "41 for freedom" SSBNs were named after all kinds of people. When the tridents came out they named them for states. Yes, I know that; people who promoted freedom in the Western Hemisphere. Hence, one could get away with naming a Monarch (Kamehameha), a dictator (Bolivar), and a traitor (R.E. Lee). Perhaps at the time, there may have been arguments to the names....but decades after the fact, does anyone care? __________________________________________________________________ ("There's probably a statue of you somewhere. Let it not be said that we forget our heroes! Of course, you probably can't read the name on it now."––Taylor riding Landon, (w,stte), "POTA") |
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Quoted: Seems at times like the USN is leading the charge on the PC crap. I've told this on the board a couple times, but it bears repeating–– Before I retired, I was attached for several years with a USN command. Amongst other things, that means that I was "invited" to attend all of their functions and such. Some admiral (I do not remember who) came and gave a briefing on the future of the navy, or some such... One of the major points he made was that the country was on an irreversible course towards brown-ness, and that "we can no longer afford to do things the "white" way". It was like we were being prepared for a surrender. There's a lot more that could be said about this matter, but I'm too busy stacking ammunition and sharpening knives to discuss it much further. |
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From Wikpedia: Later, Chávez described his experience in the military as “the two worst years of my life.”  Also from wiki "The UFW during Chávez's tenure was committed to restricting immigration. Chávez and Dolores Huerta, cofounder and president of the UFW, fought the Bracero Program that existed from 1942 to 1964. Their opposition stemmed from their belief that the program undermined US workers and exploited the migrant workers. Since the Bracero program ensured a constant supply of cheap immigrant labor for growers, immigrants could not protest any infringement of their rights, lest they be fired and replaced. Their efforts contributed to Congress ending the Bracero Program in 1964. In 1973, the UFW was one of the first labor unions to oppose proposed employer sanctions that would have prohibited hiring undocumented immigrants. Later during the 1980s, while Chávez was still working alongside Huerta, he was key in getting the amnesty provisions into the 1986 federal immigration act.[13] On a few occasions, concerns that undocumented migrant labor would undermine UFW strike campaigns led to a number of controversial events, which the UFW describes as anti-strikebreaking events, but which have also been interpreted as being anti-immigrant. In 1969, Chávez and members of the UFW marched through the Imperial and Coachella Valleys to the border of Mexico to protest growers' use of undocumented immigrants as strikebreakers. Joining him on the march were both Reverend Ralph Abernathy and US Senator Walter Mondale.[14] In its early years, Chávez and the UFW went so far as to report undocumented immigrants who served as strikebreaking replacement workers, as well as those who refused to unionize, to the Immigration and Naturalization Service.[15][16][17][18][19] In 1973, the United Farm Workers set up a "wet line" along the United States-Mexico border to prevent Mexican immigrants from entering the United States illegally and potentially undermining the UFW's unionization efforts.[20] During one such event in which Chávez was not involved, some UFW members, under the guidance of Chávez's cousin Manuel, physically attacked the strikebreakers, after attempts to peacefully persuade them not to cross the border failed." His reasons may not have been the same that many argue to close the border.....but the goal seems the same. ____________________________________________________________________________ ("Rosita! You shouldn't be out here!"––Glenda catching a servant in the garden "Yes, Sinora," as she scurries away ".....shouldn't even be in the country!", (w,stte), "Seems Like Old Times") |
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Plenty of Hispanics that have served in honor to name a ship after. Sgt. Rafael Peralta comes to mind. No doubt. No need to name it after a POS like Chavez. Full retard, apparently the Navy has gone! traditions, schmaditions, let's just start naming ships after serial killers?
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Plenty of Hispanics that have served in honor to name a ship after. Sgt. Rafael Peralta comes to mind. No doubt. No need to name it after a POS like Chavez. Full retard, apparently the Navy has gone! traditions, schmaditions, let's just start naming ships after serial killers? How about naming some submersible craft after Ted Kennedy? It would at least make some sense. |
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Plenty of Hispanics that have served in honor to name a ship after. Sgt. Rafael Peralta comes to mind. No doubt. No need to name it after a POS like Chavez. Full retard, apparently the Navy has gone! traditions, schmaditions, let's just start naming ships after serial killers? Perhaps you can explain it. Why the HATE? Why are you comparing this man to a serial killer? ___________________________________________ ("They're going to love you!"––Jack Cates to Reggie Hammond on their way into a honky tonk, (w,stte), "48 Hours") |
