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Posted: 8/23/2005 8:23:51 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/23/2005 8:51:58 PM EDT
All your SOCOM are belong to us

We don't need your stinking SOCOM

Link Posted: 8/23/2005 8:52:32 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/23/2005 8:56:14 PM EDT by crazyhorse705]
hey bravo here is another part of that story and the marines have given socom 2,500 marines

looks like on the 5th of june marines were playing hard to get that changed 11 days later when socom got their way.

socom marines

June 14, 2005: The U.S. Marine Corps has agreed to turn over a force of 2,500 specially trained marines to SOCOM (Special Operations Command.) Bowing to pressure from the Department of Defense, and SOCOM, the marines are the last of the services to make such a contribution. Created in 1987, SOCOM gained control over army Special Forces (including Civil Affairs, Psychological Warfare and special helicopter units), navy SEALs and air force commandoes and special aviation units. But the marines said they had nothing to offer.

The marine SOCOM force will consist of 400 marines trained to provide military instruction for foreign armed forces. This has long been a Special Forces chore, and will still be. But the addition of marine training troops will take some of the pressure off Special Forces to provide this service.

The marines will also provide over a thousand marines trained as "special operations-capable." The marines have been training some of their troops to be "special operations-capable" for over a decade. But SOCOM has different standards, and skill requirements. Once the "special operations-capable" marines are turned over to SOCOM control, SOCOM will provide additional training. As part of this deal, the SOCOM marines will be available for Marine Corps operations when SOCOM doesn’t need them. It’s likely that once SOCOM gets control of these marines, they will keep them busy indefinitely.

Finally, the marines will provide some support units. These will include stuff like dog handlers (and dogs trained for military tasks), some logistical units and an Air Naval Gunfire Liaison Company.

SOCOM will also keep control over Special Operations Detachment 1, a force of 86 marines trained as commandoes. SOCOM originally wanted as many as 4,000 marines, and the final deal may result in the marines giving up more than 2,500 troops.

June 5, 2005: The U.S. Marine Corps is playing hard to get during efforts to arrange marine participation in special operations work with SOCOM (Special Operations Command). Under pressure from the Department of Defense, the marines have put together a force of training teams for working with foreign armed forces. This relieves the U.S. Army Special Forces of this task. The marines have put together 24 teams, with 13 marines in each one.

When SOCOM was established in 1987, all the services were asked to subordinate their special operations forces to SOCOM. The marines were the only ones to refuse, partly on the grounds that they believed all their troops were elite, and partly because the only elite force (by marine standards) they had was Force Recon. But the marines could not give up Force Recon, as it was the strategic recon teams the marines used for their own operations. But, under pressure from SOCOM after September 11, 2001, the marines agreed to help out. First, the marines created Detachment One (DET1), an 86 man force of commandoes who worked with the SEALs. DET1 became operational in 2003. The marines already lose a few dozen high quality troops each year to U.S. Army Special Forces, Navy SEALs and air force special operations units. So it was felt that DET1 would reduce this somewhat.

Now SOCOM wants several battalions of marines made available to SOCOM, and the marines are resisting. The marines have noted that once a service lets units go to SOCOM, they never get them back. While SOCOM picks up a lot of the costs of the units they take control of, the service the troops came from still pays lots of the costs. The marines are pretty tenacious in these inter-service battles, and may yet win this one. The marines are willing to provide battalions to SOCOM, “as needed,” but with the understanding that these units go back to marine control once the mission is completed. Meanwhile, DET1 is still technically “being evaluated,” as the Department of Defense and the marines have yet to agree on the exact details of how these marine commandoes would work for SOCOM and the marines. This sort of prolonged negotiations are one reason SOCOM considers the marines “hard to work with.” The marines take that as a compliment.
Link Posted: 8/23/2005 9:01:20 PM EDT
These guys have been running around Del Mar in Camp Pendleton. I hope it works for them.

Semper Fi,
Link Posted: 8/23/2005 9:02:35 PM EDT
The Marines & SOCOM seem to be a very good fit as far as I can see. Why they haven't been identified for the uniqueness they bring and the potential depth they can offer is surprising.

Looking forward to the Corps involvement in SOCOM....just makes sense.
Link Posted: 8/23/2005 9:13:13 PM EDT
i wonder if a SPMAGTF goes into SOCOM, when they deploy but, back to Marine control after they complete the deployment? if this were to happen, many Marines would get great oppertunities that were not availible befor. with the end result being a more qualified Marine Corps fairly quickly if it were made a requirement that an infantry battalion must be able to fulfill SOCOM requirments

I think if we were to give up a meu sized element, we would have to wait untill the Marines orders are up to get them back into the fleet and get the next generration of Marines trained

just a thought, none the less this will defantly increase USMC capability one way or another
Link Posted: 8/23/2005 9:39:41 PM EDT
Why don't we actually make SOCOM a service by itself, Army, Navy, USAF, Marines, and SOCOM. they will virtually be large enough for it if they pick up that many Marines.

Comming soon to a recuiting office near you the new SOCOM forces.

Link Posted: 8/24/2005 4:17:12 AM EDT
or you could just fold specops into the marcor mission.

what the marcor could bring to socom is a war fighting capability rather than a narrow mission-specific capability.

the .mil is undergoing some interesting changes!
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 4:24:31 AM EDT
And still no Raider Battalion? Color me disappointed.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 4:27:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Tomislav:
And still no Raider Battalion? Color me disappointed.

Yeah, bring back the Raiders.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 4:32:52 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Stryfe:

Originally Posted By Tomislav:
And still no Raider Battalion? Color me disappointed.

Yeah, bring back the Raiders.

They already brought back the 'flecktarn' camo and the 'suede' boots, so why not some historical units?
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 4:35:07 AM EDT
A Marine I know has been attached to SOCOM for a couple years now. He shipped out to Iraq over a year ago.
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 4:37:32 AM EDT

How is SOCOM going to change what MEU (SOC) already has been doing?

Is it just a MEU (SOC) under SOCOM command that never rotates?

Link Posted: 8/24/2005 5:48:35 AM EDT

DIVINE: I think it's nothing more than the way the Marines do business. They approach everything - from the way they do business in Washington to how they approach a peacetime program objective -- like it's a combat operation, and it's one of the reasons they are so darned successful.

Heh, awesome.

Yeah, and bring back the Raiders!
Link Posted: 8/24/2005 7:00:00 AM EDT
Interesting read. I think it's a great idea.
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