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Posted: 2/25/2007 4:35:05 AM EST
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article2303023.ece

Pubdate: 25 Feb 2007
Source: The Independent
Author: Marie Woolf, Political Editor
Copyright: 2007 Independent News and Media Ltd.

Home Office backs heroin on the NHS in effort to cut crime

Heroin is to be prescribed on the NHS to hard-core drug addicts under
secret plans being prepared by the Government.

The move to use injectable heroin follows the success of trials in London,
Brighton and the North-east on drug users who fail to respond to treatment
and who commit crimes to finance their habit.

The proposal follows a recommendation in a restricted Home Office report
on crime, which proposes prescribing heroin to addicts and licensing sales
of heroin and crack cocaine.

The paper, drawn up by the Home Office strategic policy team, a copy of
which has been obtained by The Independent on Sunday, says: "The Home
Office should consider wider rolling out of injectable heroin prescription
for highly dependent users through the NHS."

It adds: "Given the failure of supply-side interventions to have any
significant effect on the drugs market, it is worth considering a greater
management of the market by wider rolling out of injectable heroin
prescription for highly dependent users through the NHS."

Civil servants say that in Switzerland, where doctors prescribe heroin
rather than methadone to "recidivist veteran users", 26 per cent have
given it up, and criminality and unemployment have been reduced.

The Home Office document, marked "Restricted Policy", says: "Contrary to
popular belief, there is evidence that heroin does not necessarily
intoxicate the user - it can be stabilised with people living relatively
normal lives."

Home Office sources said yesterday that three trials of heroin
prescription have produced positive preliminary results. The NHS
prescriptions are likely to be made available to hard-core users across
the country next year. The Home Office said that only persistent users who
have failed to respond to methadone would qualify.

"It is only going to apply to a small number of people," said a Home
Office spokesman.

The scheme would cost an estimated £12,000 a year per addict, but could
save thousands more on the cost of prison, court and police time.

The review warns that the Government is fighting a losing battle against
drug smugglers. "There is mounting evidence of the impossibility of
winning the war against drugs supply," it says. It suggests legalising the
supply of drugs and licensing their distribution or supplying them "over
the counter" to combat crime.

"A system of controlled availability of drugs would allow the Government
to exert a much greater degree of influence over the way in which
substances are used than is currently possible," says the report, which
was scrutinised by Downing Street.

Link Posted: 2/25/2007 4:40:10 AM EST
Unbelieveable.

Western civilization slides a few inches closer to the abyss.

Link Posted: 2/25/2007 4:45:09 AM EST
Cool! Meth is next, I assume. Let's hope they consider a shuttle service so they can equally share in the Mexicans coming into their country!!!
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 4:47:34 AM EST

Originally Posted By DOW:
Unbelieveable.

Western civilization slides a few inches closer to the abyss.



The Brits did it before and it worked. The Swiss are doing it now and it works. Canada is planning their own programs, too.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 5:01:57 AM EST

Originally Posted By Zaxxon:
Cool! Meth is next, I assume. Let's hope they consider a shuttle service so they can equally share in the Mexicans coming into their country!!!


Amazing. I read the same article and saw nothing about legalizing meth. Although I really can't wait to see the end result. Although I'm sure prohibitionist will continue to use the same weak arguments.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 5:04:16 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/25/2007 5:04:40 AM EST by shootemup]

Originally Posted By DOW:
Unbelieveable.

Western civilization slides a few inches closer to the abyss.



Well, what is your solution? Keep fighting the "war on drugs"?

As another poster noted above, other countries have legalized these drugs somewhat with decent results.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 5:06:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By wolfman97:

Originally Posted By DOW:
Unbelieveable.

Western civilization slides a few inches closer to the abyss.



The Brits did it before and it worked. The Swiss are doing it now and it works. Canada is planning their own programs, too.


It worked huh?

According to who? According to some bullshit study paid for and conducted by the same people who benefit from running it?

Free heroin and crack cocaine is not a good thing, no matter how you package it or dress it up. It's common sense.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 5:09:32 AM EST
Free Rum Now!

Imma jus tryin ta git paid son.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 5:10:39 AM EST
I thought they already tried this with methodone clinics.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 5:11:16 AM EST
Sure it'll cut crime.....in numbers.

Less people they'll have to prosecute for drug possession.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 5:11:31 AM EST

Originally Posted By DOW:

Originally Posted By wolfman97:

Originally Posted By DOW:
Unbelieveable.

Western civilization slides a few inches closer to the abyss.



The Brits did it before and it worked. The Swiss are doing it now and it works. Canada is planning their own programs, too.


It worked huh?

According to who? According to some bullshit study paid for and conducted by the same people who benefit from running it?

Free heroin and crack cocaine is not a good thing, no matter how you package it or dress it up. It's common sense.


According to every serious piece of research done on the subject, and according to their own police who had to deal with the issues on the street. The Swiss police, who have seen these kinds of programs in action, are some of its biggest supporters.

Tell me, do you support methadone maintenance? The US Government does. They say it is one of the most effective methods of dealing with addiction.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 5:12:23 AM EST
I used to believe that the "war on drugs" had to be fought. It's now evident that it's really just been a convienient excuse for more .gov runaway power. Our privacy and property rights have been seriously damaged and the militarization of our police is largely a result of this misguided policy.


Legalize them and abolish all the infringements of the past 40 years. Get the .gov out of our lives. Start a massive public service campaign to educate the masses about the evils of drug use. To thoses that abuse drugs at that point, they'll mostly meet their own demise.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 5:12:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By Repo1911:
I thought they already tried this with methodone clinics.


They do, but there are some addicts who do not do as well on methadone as they do on heroin.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 5:12:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By wolfman97:

The paper, drawn up by the Home Office strategic policy team, a copy of
which has been obtained by The Independent on Sunday, says: "The Home
Office should consider
wider rolling out of injectable heroin prescription
for highly dependent users through the NHS."


Translation: This is nothing more than a recommendation for further discussion…


Yet again, more selective posting on drugs by Clifford the Mad Mullah of Marijuana …

ANdy
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 5:13:40 AM EST

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:
Sure it'll cut crime.....in numbers.

Less people they'll have to prosecute for drug possession.


According to the Swiss experience, it cut drug-related crime like burglaries by about 80 percent. That is why the Swiss cops support it.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 5:14:37 AM EST

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By wolfman97:

The paper, drawn up by the Home Office strategic policy team, a copy of
which has been obtained by The Independent on Sunday, says: "The Home
Office should consider
wider rolling out of injectable heroin prescription
for highly dependent users through the NHS."


Translation: This is nothing more than a recommendation for further discussion…


Yet again, more selective posting on drugs by Clifford the Mad Mullah of Marijuana …

ANdy


Maybe you will feel better when they open the clinics in Vancouver.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 5:16:26 AM EST

Originally Posted By DOW:
Unbelieveable.

Western civilization slides a few inches closer to the abyss.


Normally a person might feel that way at first. But think about it, were just going BACK to the period BEFORE the 20th century Prohibitionist movement. I would hardly call the 19th century the "fall of western civilisation". Now of course ive heard a few emotinal people say "yeah well back then people just did'nt abuse drugs like they do today." Again that is mistaken, Anyone who does research into that era would know that it was rife with "drug culture" more particularly the Victorian period. In fact the whole opuim wars was fought over this issue over who sold the stuff. IT was no utopia back then but it seems to me that the Cure is worse than the disease. Also, this is not really news to me, i saw a news program where this is going on all over Europe. Its called "heroin maintainence", and since it is legally prescribed there is no reason to commit crimes to either sell or get the drugs. All drug related crime plummets. Is it "sad" that someone is actually "getting high"? yeah i guess, but they are getting high anyway excpet now its much worse with prohibition as well.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 5:16:55 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/25/2007 5:17:47 AM EST by vito113]
wolfman97's dream is BUSTED!



The Home Office said: "Heroin prescribing is one of range of clinical options available to treat a small number of chronic heroin abusers. There are no current plans to change policy and no current plans to target this treatment to prisoners specifically."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/20/nheroin20.xml

And THAT Clifford is the final word because your dream of legalizing drugs would be political suicide for any UK governement!

Andy
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 5:21:13 AM EST

Originally Posted By vito113:
wolfman97's dream is BUSTED!



The Home Office said: "Heroin prescribing is one of range of clinical options available to treat a small number of chronic heroin abusers. There are no current plans to change policy and no current plans to target this treatment to prisoners specifically."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/20/nheroin20.xml

And THAT Clifford is the final word because your dream of legalizing drugs would be political suicide for any UK governement!

Andy


Stay tuned for Canada, my friend. BTW, you are correct. Using large type is the best way to convince people that you have a real argument.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 5:23:52 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/25/2007 5:24:21 AM EST by vito113]

Originally Posted By wolfman97:
Originally Posted By vito113:


Stay tuned for Canada, my friend. BTW, you are correct. Using large type is the best way to convince people that you have a real argument.



And yet AGAIN we see the standard Clifford technique… his bullshit claim that teh UK is going to 'Legalize Herion and Crack' is busted so he switches the topic… in this case to Canada.

Tell me Clifford, when did they move Canada to Britain?

ANdy
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 5:25:57 AM EST

Originally Posted By wolfman97:
Stay tuned for Canada, my friend. BTW, you are correct. Using large type is the best way to convince people that you have a real argument.


Thats generally a response from someone who has lost.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 5:28:48 AM EST

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By wolfman97:
Originally Posted By vito113:


Stay tuned for Canada, my friend. BTW, you are correct. Using large type is the best way to convince people that you have a real argument.



And yet AGAIN we see the standard Clifford technique… his bullshit claim that teh UK is going to 'Legalize Herion and Crack' is busted so he switches the topic… in this case to Canada.

Tell me Clifford, when did they move Canada to Britain?

ANdy


Well, if the subject is the UK (rather than your interpretation of probable world events) then you should know that this has been coming a long time. Your statement that the UK .gov would find it as political suicide is not really supported at all. They have already done various trials with it (as mentioned in the article) and the political sky did not fall.

Of course, you can expect that the US .gov will get up in arms about it -- just as they got up in arms over Mexico's plan to decriminalize drugs and Canada's medical marijuana program. But as far as the politics within those countries themselves, you would be mistaken to believe that the people in those countries share your attitude.

But stay tuned for Canada, anyway. It is coming there, too, and close enough that you can drive up and talk to the local officials yourself if it interests you that much.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 5:30:23 AM EST

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:

Originally Posted By wolfman97:
Stay tuned for Canada, my friend. BTW, you are correct. Using large type is the best way to convince people that you have a real argument.


Thats generally a response from someone who has lost.


Yes, I should have used larger type than he did and won the argument. Now, did you have an argument to put forth?
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 5:37:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By wolfman97:

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:

Originally Posted By wolfman97:
Stay tuned for Canada, my friend. BTW, you are correct. Using large type is the best way to convince people that you have a real argument.


Thats generally a response from someone who has lost.


Yes, I should have used larger type than he did and won the argument. Now, did you have an argument to put forth?


I don't mind legalizing drugs as long as welfare can't be provided to those who are addicts.

Along with government funded rehab centers.

Let Darwin take its course.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 5:39:56 AM EST
End the insane war on drugs.

We (Americans) did this in the 1920's. I didn't work. We repealed the "war on alcohol" in 1933. Life went on.

"Progress, far from consisting in change, depends on retentiveness. When change is absolute there remains no being to improve and no direction is set for possible improvement: and when experience is not retained, as among savages, infancy is perpetual. Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. In the first stage of life the mind is frivolous and easily distracted, it misses progress by failing in consecutiveness and persistence. This is the condition of children and barbarians, in which instinct has learned nothing from experience."

George Santayana (1863 - 1952), The Life of Reason, Volume 1, 1905

Link Posted: 2/25/2007 5:40:34 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/25/2007 5:41:17 AM EST by vito113]

Originally Posted By wolfman97:
Originally Posted By vito113:
Originally Posted By wolfman97:
Originally Posted By vito113:

Well, if the subject is the UK (rather than your interpretation of probable world events) then you should know that this has been coming a long time.


Someone hasn't told the UK Government Clifford… seems they have no intention of getting with your program…

Thursday, 18 January 2007, 15:57 GMT
Crystal meth made class A drug


The "euphoric" sex and dance-culture drug crystal meth is being reclassified as a class A substance in the UK in an attempt to clamp down on its use.
People who use methamphetamine - its proper name - now face up to seven years in jail and an unlimited fine, while dealers could be jailed for life.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6273215.stm
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 5:45:24 AM EST

Originally Posted By vito113:

Originally Posted By wolfman97:
Originally Posted By vito113:
Originally Posted By wolfman97:
Originally Posted By vito113:

Well, if the subject is the UK (rather than your interpretation of probable world events) then you should know that this has been coming a long time.


Someone hasn't told the UK Government Clifford… seems they have no intention of getting with your program…

Thursday, 18 January 2007, 15:57 GMT
Crystal meth made class A drug


The "euphoric" sex and dance-culture drug crystal meth is being reclassified as a class A substance in the UK in an attempt to clamp down on its use.
People who use methamphetamine - its proper name - now face up to seven years in jail and an unlimited fine, while dealers could be jailed for life.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6273215.stm


Did the article make any mention of crystal meth? Did I make any mention of crystal meth? Or are you just confused about the subject again?
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 5:47:28 AM EST

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:

Originally Posted By wolfman97:

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:

Originally Posted By wolfman97:
Stay tuned for Canada, my friend. BTW, you are correct. Using large type is the best way to convince people that you have a real argument.


Thats generally a response from someone who has lost.


Yes, I should have used larger type than he did and won the argument. Now, did you have an argument to put forth?


I don't mind legalizing drugs as long as welfare can't be provided to those who are addicts.

Along with government funded rehab centers.

Let Darwin take its course.


IIRC, we covered this already. The conclusion was that changing the laws would have significant benefits whether we followed your particular conditions above, or not. IIRC, you agreed to anything that would be an improvement, even if it wasn't everything you might desire in a policy. Correct me if I am misstating something.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 5:49:43 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/25/2007 5:49:54 AM EST by VooDoo3dfx]

Originally Posted By wolfman97:
IIRC, we covered this already. The conclusion was that changing the laws would have significant benefits whether we followed your particular conditions above, or not. IIRC, you agreed to anything that would be an improvement, even if it wasn't everything you might desire in a policy. Correct me if I am misstating something.


As long as you understand that I don't want any funding of their habit via rehab centers or welfare... then you are correct.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 5:54:41 AM EST

Originally Posted By wolfman97:
Originally Posted By vito113:
Originally Posted By wolfman97:
Originally Posted By vito113:
Originally Posted By wolfman97:
Originally Posted By vito113:


Did the article make any mention of crystal meth? Did I make any mention of crystal meth? Or are you just confused about the subject again?



C'mon Clifford! All that dope must be softening your head… you're bleating on that the UK .Gov is weakening it's stance on drugs, yet it seems thay are getting more hardcore from that article…

Put down the bong and all will be clear…

ANdy
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 5:55:33 AM EST

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:

Originally Posted By wolfman97:
IIRC, we covered this already. The conclusion was that changing the laws would have significant benefits whether we followed your particular conditions above, or not. IIRC, you agreed to anything that would be an improvement, even if it wasn't everything you might desire in a policy. Correct me if I am misstating something.


As long as you understand that I don't want any funding of their habit via rehab centers or welfare... then you are correct.


Seems foolish to me to keep that stipulation.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 5:58:33 AM EST
The second I saw the thread title I new it was posted by the wolfman.

Link Posted: 2/25/2007 6:05:09 AM EST

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:

Originally Posted By wolfman97:

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:

Originally Posted By wolfman97:
Stay tuned for Canada, my friend. BTW, you are correct. Using large type is the best way to convince people that you have a real argument.


Thats generally a response from someone who has lost.


Yes, I should have used larger type than he did and won the argument. Now, did you have an argument to put forth?


I don't mind legalizing drugs as long as welfare can't be provided to those who are addicts.

Along with government funded rehab centers.

Let Darwin take its course.


So you'd be willing to know that the chance of your children becoming drug addicts has more than quadrupled just so that we don't have to waste any more money incriminating the scum of the earth?
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 6:06:15 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/25/2007 6:07:24 AM EST by 95thFoot]

Originally Posted By t-stox:

Originally Posted By DOW:
Unbelieveable.

Western civilization slides a few inches closer to the abyss.


Normally a person might feel that way at first. But think about it, were just going BACK to the period BEFORE the 20th century Prohibitionist movement. I would hardly call the 19th century the "fall of western civilisation". Now of course ive heard a few emotinal people say "yeah well back then people just did'nt abuse drugs like they do today." Again that is mistaken, Anyone who does research into that era would know that it was rife with "drug culture" more particularly the Victorian period. In fact the whole opuim wars was fought over this issue over who sold the stuff. IT was no utopia back then but it seems to me that the Cure is worse than the disease. Also, this is not really news to me, i saw a news program where this is going on all over Europe. Its called "heroin maintainence", and since it is legally prescribed there is no reason to commit crimes to either sell or get the drugs. All drug related crime plummets. Is it "sad" that someone is actually "getting high"? yeah i guess, but they are getting high anyway excpet now its much worse with prohibition as well.


I don't like admitting it, and I find drug abuse abhorrent, but this is all correct. The drug war is an utter failure, but we'll never get rid of it, since too many people's livelihoods depend on lots of crime, lots of addicts, lots of problems being dealt with by cops, courts, therapists, judges, lawyers, and gun grabbers.

"Prohibition"

by

Franklin P. Adams, 1931

Prohibition is an awful flop.
We like it.
It can't stop what it's meant to stop.
We like it.
It's left a trail of graft and slime,
It won't prohibit worth a dime,
It's filled our land with vice and crime.
Nevertheless, we're for it.

................................................

Not much has changed.



Link Posted: 2/25/2007 6:17:47 AM EST

Originally Posted By Hemi-Cuda:


So you'd be willing to know that the chance of your children becoming drug addicts has more than quadrupled just so that we don't have to waste any more money incriminating the scum of the earth?


I don't know what is worse, the blatant use of emotion or the completely unquantifyable statistic... Then the "trading freedom for security" becomes apparent.

And for the record, I have children and I'll take the "risk" of ending the insane war on drugs.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 6:25:46 AM EST

Originally Posted By Hemi-Cuda:
So you'd be willing to know that the chance of your children becoming drug addicts has more than quadrupled just so that we don't have to waste any more money incriminating the scum of the earth?


I haven't seen any reports stating that legalization of drugs will increase the number of drug users.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 6:41:57 AM EST

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:

Originally Posted By Hemi-Cuda:
So you'd be willing to know that the chance of your children becoming drug addicts has more than quadrupled just so that we don't have to waste any more money incriminating the scum of the earth?


I haven't seen any reports stating that legalization of drugs will increase the number of drug users.


So the legalization of drugs, wouldn't lead to a huge increase of the availability of drugs in public?

You're joking right?

Link Posted: 2/25/2007 6:42:35 AM EST

Originally Posted By markl32:

Originally Posted By Hemi-Cuda:


So you'd be willing to know that the chance of your children becoming drug addicts has more than quadrupled just so that we don't have to waste any more money incriminating the scum of the earth?


I don't know what is worse, the blatant use of emotion or the completely unquantifyable statistic... Then the "trading freedom for security" becomes apparent.

And for the record, I have children and I'll take the "risk" of ending the insane war on drugs.


Good for you, I won't.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 6:43:17 AM EST

Originally Posted By Hemi-Cuda:
So the legalization of drugs, wouldn't lead to a huge increase of the availability of drugs in public?

You're joking right?



Just because something is available to the public, doesn't mean that there will be a vast increase in users.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 6:44:53 AM EST

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:

Originally Posted By Hemi-Cuda:
So the legalization of drugs, wouldn't lead to a huge increase of the availability of drugs in public?

You're joking right?



Just because something is available to the public, doesn't mean that there will be a vast increase in users.


If you say so, I'm positive it will.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 6:46:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By Hemi-Cuda:

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:

Originally Posted By Hemi-Cuda:
So the legalization of drugs, wouldn't lead to a huge increase of the availability of drugs in public?

You're joking right?



Just because something is available to the public, doesn't mean that there will be a vast increase in users.


If you say so, I'm positive it will.


But studies haven't shown it to be true.

The only thing I could agree with you.. is that it shows a bad precedent in saying that drug-using is ok (which I don't think it is).

Link Posted: 2/25/2007 6:50:03 AM EST

Originally Posted By wolfman97:

Originally Posted By DOW:

Originally Posted By wolfman97:

Originally Posted By DOW:
Unbelieveable.

Western civilization slides a few inches closer to the abyss.



The Brits did it before and it worked. The Swiss are doing it now and it works. Canada is planning their own programs, too.


It worked huh?

According to who? According to some bullshit study paid for and conducted by the same people who benefit from running it?

Free heroin and crack cocaine is not a good thing, no matter how you package it or dress it up. It's common sense.


According to every serious piece of research done on the subject, and according to their own police who had to deal with the issues on the street. The Swiss police, who have seen these kinds of programs in action, are some of its biggest supporters.

Tell me, do you support methadone maintenance? The US Government does. They say it is one of the most effective methods of dealing with addiction.


Sincerely,
Anna Nicole Smith
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 6:55:36 AM EST

Originally Posted By wolfman97:
http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/politics/article2303023.ece

Pubdate: 25 Feb 2007
Source: The Independent
Author: Marie Woolf, Political Editor
Copyright: 2007 Independent News and Media Ltd.

Home Office backs heroin on the NHS in effort to cut crime

Heroin is to be prescribed on the NHS to hard-core drug addicts under
secret plans being prepared by the Government.

The move to use injectable heroin follows the success of trials in London,
Brighton and the North-east on drug users who fail to respond to treatment
and who commit crimes to finance their habit.

The proposal follows a recommendation in a restricted Home Office report
on crime, which proposes prescribing heroin to addicts and licensing sales
of heroin and crack cocaine.

The paper, drawn up by the Home Office strategic policy team, a copy of
which has been obtained by The Independent on Sunday, says: "The Home
Office should consider wider rolling out of injectable heroin prescription
for highly dependent users through the NHS."

It adds: "Given the failure of supply-side interventions to have any
significant effect on the drugs market, it is worth considering a greater
management of the market by wider rolling out of injectable heroin
prescription for highly dependent users through the NHS."

Civil servants say that in Switzerland, where doctors prescribe heroin
rather than methadone to "recidivist veteran users", 26 per cent have
given it up, and criminality and unemployment have been reduced.

The Home Office document, marked "Restricted Policy", says: "Contrary to
popular belief, there is evidence that heroin does not necessarily
intoxicate the user - it can be stabilised with people living relatively
normal lives."

Home Office sources said yesterday that three trials of heroin
prescription have produced positive preliminary results. The NHS
prescriptions are likely to be made available to hard-core users across
the country next year. The Home Office said that only persistent users who
have failed to respond to methadone would qualify.

"It is only going to apply to a small number of people," said a Home
Office spokesman.

The scheme would cost an estimated £12,000 a year per addict, but could
save thousands more on the cost of prison, court and police time.

The review warns that the Government is fighting a losing battle against
drug smugglers. "There is mounting evidence of the impossibility of
winning the war against drugs supply," it says. It suggests legalising the
supply of drugs and licensing their distribution or supplying them "over
the counter" to combat crime.

"A system of controlled availability of drugs would allow the Government
to exert a much greater degree of influence over the way in which
substances are used than is currently possible," says the report, which
was scrutinised by Downing Street.



Well, let's see if they can still count to five in a few years..

1.2.3.4 ... (you know the rest...)
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 6:59:16 AM EST
Just OD them on the first shot. Problem solved! Just buy them a box and bury!
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 7:33:23 AM EST
[Last Edit: 2/25/2007 7:35:35 AM EST by Kylaer_]

Originally Posted By Hemi-Cuda:

So the legalization of drugs, wouldn't lead to a huge increase of the availability of drugs in public?

You're joking right?



If they want it, now, they can get it. Easily. The war on drugs has been entirely ineffective in preventing people from actually using drugs if that is what they desire. Preventing them from doing so is the parent's responsibility, same as it is with underage use of (otherwise legal) alcohol and tobacco.

That's the thing about the war on drugs. It isn't just horribly expensive, intrusive into the lives of all citizens, a source of money for violent gangs and a massive expander of government power. It's also entirely ineffective. We spend the money, lose the rights, see the rise of the gangs, suffer the expansion of government, with nothing to show for it. People still can get drugs at will.

Vietnam was not a quagmire, Iraq is not a quagmire, but the war on drugs is indeed a quagmire, and there's no way for the prohibitionists to win. Ever.

And, just to head off anybody who wants to call me a drug user, I've never used any illegal drugs in my life, I don't smoke tobacco, and I don't drink alcohol (both of which are legal for me).

Edited to add: I'm also completely opposed to the government providing drugs for free. That's socialism. If people want to take risks with their lives, that should be their choice, but no-one should be expected to catch them when they fall.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 7:55:33 AM EST

Originally Posted By Merrell:

Originally Posted By wolfman97:

Originally Posted By DOW:

Originally Posted By wolfman97:

Originally Posted By DOW:
Unbelieveable.

Western civilization slides a few inches closer to the abyss.



The Brits did it before and it worked. The Swiss are doing it now and it works. Canada is planning their own programs, too.


It worked huh?

According to who? According to some bullshit study paid for and conducted by the same people who benefit from running it?

Free heroin and crack cocaine is not a good thing, no matter how you package it or dress it up. It's common sense.


According to every serious piece of research done on the subject, and according to their own police who had to deal with the issues on the street. The Swiss police, who have seen these kinds of programs in action, are some of its biggest supporters.

Tell me, do you support methadone maintenance? The US Government does. They say it is one of the most effective methods of dealing with addiction.


Sincerely,
Anna Nicole Smith


Did you mistake that for an intelligent argument?
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 7:58:12 AM EST

Originally Posted By Hemi-Cuda:

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:

Originally Posted By Hemi-Cuda:
So you'd be willing to know that the chance of your children becoming drug addicts has more than quadrupled just so that we don't have to waste any more money incriminating the scum of the earth?


I haven't seen any reports stating that legalization of drugs will increase the number of drug users.


So the legalization of drugs, wouldn't lead to a huge increase of the availability of drugs in public?

You're joking right?



It depends on what you mean by "legalization". Different changes in the law would have different effects. Like, for instance, one change done in Liverpool reduced the number of new addicts to one-twelfth previous levels. Same general experience in Switzerland.

But, in case you were really interested, all these drugs were completely legal in the US at one time. They were sold over the counter without even any age restrictions. Children could buy heroin and cocaine as easily as they can buy aspirin today. Even under those conditions, the rate of addiction wasn't much different than it is today.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 8:41:48 AM EST
The bottom line is the drug addicts are a drain on society - whether by crime or through tax payer funded free drugs. Personally I think they should just give them one free dose - one big free lethal dose.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 8:43:37 AM EST
SELL THE HOUSE
SELL THE CAR
SELL THE KIDS
FIND SOMEONE ELSE
FORGET IT
I'M NEVER COMING BACK
FORGET IT
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 8:46:20 AM EST

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:

Originally Posted By wolfman97:

Originally Posted By VooDoo3dfx:

Originally Posted By wolfman97:
Stay tuned for Canada, my friend. BTW, you are correct. Using large type is the best way to convince people that you have a real argument.


Thats generally a response from someone who has lost.


Yes, I should have used larger type than he did and won the argument. Now, did you have an argument to put forth?


I don't mind legalizing drugs as long as welfare can't be provided to those who are addicts.

Along with government funded rehab centers.


Let Darwin take its course.


+1000

And DO NOT call me at 3am to admit a drug addict or alcoholic. You got your sorry ass into trouble with drugs or alcohol, do not ask me to help you out. I'll be busy taking care of REAL patients. Where is MY freedom to refuse to treat these lowlifes.
Link Posted: 2/25/2007 8:53:18 AM EST

Originally Posted By RealFastV6:
Free Rum Now!

Gimme m'free hootch! I neeeeeeeeeeeed it!

If you don't gimmee free booze, I'm gonna bust up this place!

One bourbon, one scotch, one beer
Well I ain't seen my baby since I don't know when,
I've been drinking bourbon, whiskey, scotch and gin
Gonna get high man I'm gonna get loose,
need me a triple shot of that juice
Gonna get drunk don't you have no fear
I want one bourbon, one scotch and one beer
One bourbon, one scotch, one beer



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