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Posted: 12/15/2023 11:43:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: “Mrs. Chairwoman, the grenades have the floor.”  I'm stealing that. Thank you for your service. |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 11:43:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Best screenshot I could get of glorious grenadesky: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/147863/B372C66D-F915-41FD-8970-17EF141F490E-3060205.jpg Well, that does resemble the mini pineapple on shown above. |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 11:44:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Now only if American politics were that entertaining. I'd love to see some idiot congress critters tossing grenades at each other. Would make watching C-Span worth my time.  They've got all that space, they should make it like "Assault" on the old american gladiators show! Mount that tennis ball cannon up where the speaker sits and let er rip |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 11:45:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. 'At least that what I read elsewhere. No deaths. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Were they concussion grenades? Like flash bangs or something? Yes. 'At least that what I read elsewhere. No deaths. Link in OP now says 1 dead, 26 injured. |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 11:49:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Link in OP now says 1 dead, 26 injured. Apparently it was a soldier who recently returned, and had head injuries and asked for help. At the time, the council was debating on the mayors salary and 2024 budget. Edit: the soldier part is not confirmed, but the topic of conversation is correct. |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 11:50:02 AM EDT
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Was that guy 7' tall or are the doors only about 5' high?
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Posted: 12/15/2023 11:52:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: fuses popped, both audibly and visibly, and nobody seemed to care  You don't get to be the poorest country in Europe by having the smartest population. |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 11:52:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the guy tossing the grenades is dead. Looks like the 3 one that went off, he was holding. Apparently it was a soldier who recently returned, and had head injuries and asked for help. At the time, the council was debating on the mayors salary and 2024 budget. 
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Posted: 12/15/2023 11:54:27 AM EDT
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Why is the camera focused dead center on the door ?
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Posted: 12/15/2023 11:57:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well.....if the "grenade" doesn't do grenadie stuff, isn't it effectively a flashbang? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So far we have 9 votes for flashbangs over the fact Russian grenades are just really shitty. Well.....if the "grenade" doesn't do grenadie stuff, isn't it effectively a flashbang? I'd argue it did do "grenadie stuff", as quite a few people are wounded. Remember, they don't only cause death, IMO death would be a bonus. |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 11:58:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why is the camera focused dead center on the door ? The council meeting was being live streamed. |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 11:59:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Were they concussion grenades? Like flash bangs or something? Isn't there a difference between grenade types? I.e. ones with more bang and less fragmentation versus lots of fragmentation? certainly are different types frag flash bang white phosfor thermite smoke concussion (a HD flash bang) |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:01:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: “Mrs. Chairwoman, the grenades have the floor.” According to Robert's Rules Of Order, the grenade thrower "made a motion", but doesn't someone have to second it and the motion pass, before the grenades can go off? |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:02:45 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why is the camera focused dead center on the door ? To watch for guys with grenades ? |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:03:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i like how the woman looks at the grenade and just sits there She covered her ears? |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:04:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: fuses popped, both audibly and visibly, and nobody seemed to care OODA loop is a thing, espcially for people who may have never seen a grenade in person... |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:04:19 PM EDT
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He ran out of fucks
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:05:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's how most Zoom meetings should end. He would be the only one blown up |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:06:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why did everyone just fucking sit there? They literally had no idea what was going on or about to happen. |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:09:40 PM EDT
[#20]
"I'm a thirty second bomb! I'm a thirty second bomb! Twenty-nine! Twenty-eight! Twenty-seven!..."
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:12:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: fuses popped, both audibly and visibly, and nobody seemed to care Living in a country "at war", don't recognize a threat, don't recognize grenades, don't react at all. People obviously living comfortable lives and never have had a thought in their mind about how to react. THIS is why everyone should "wargame" scenarios and put a plan of action thought in the back of your mind for a rainy day. A whole lot of WTF going on. |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:15:20 PM EDT
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Batryn had opposed a proposal to allocate a 50% raise and a monthly bonus for Mushka during the war, and had voted against deeming the village chief’s job performance satisfactory.
At the height of the budget debate, Batryn walked out of the council headquarters and then returned less then 3 minutes later to detonate the grenades. https://nypost.com/2023/12/15/news/video-shows-ukrainian-deputy-tossing-grenades-to-blow-up-meeting/ |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:17:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Living in a country "at war", don't recognize a threat, don't recognize grenades, don't react at all. People obviously living comfortable lives and never have had a thought in their mind about how to react. THIS is why everyone should "wargame" scenarios and put a plan of action thought in the back of your mind for a rainy day. A whole lot of WTF going on. Good reminder however to always be vigilant. |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:26:00 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The only thing Ukraine can offer as a viable export now is their women. We got involved in a Civil War, should have minded our own damn business and given all the support and military equipment to Poland. This. And how are they killing so many Russians with drone grenades when 3 in a small room only resulted in injuries? ETA: Flashbang? |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:26:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think the guy tossing the grenades is dead. Looks like the 3 one that went off, he was holding. Apparently it was a soldier who recently returned, and had head injuries and asked for help. At the time, the council was debating on the mayors salary and 2024 budget. Edit: the soldier part is not confirmed, but the topic of conversation is correct. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Link in OP now says 1 dead, 26 injured. Apparently it was a soldier who recently returned, and had head injuries and asked for help. At the time, the council was debating on the mayors salary and 2024 budget. Edit: the soldier part is not confirmed, but the topic of conversation is correct. Now the NY Post (linked above) is reporting that he might still be alive: Batryn was initially said to have been killed, but police later clarified that doctors were trying to save his life. |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:27:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Flashbangs? Or the tiny golfball sized concussion. Those were some weak ass "grenades". Tons of old commie stuff in that part of the world |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:28:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Batryn had opposed a proposal to allocate a 50% raise and a monthly bonus for Mushka during the war, and had voted against deeming the village chief’s job performance satisfactory. At the height of the budget debate, Batryn walked out of the council headquarters and then returned less then 3 minutes later to detonate the grenades. https://nypost.com/2023/12/15/news/video-shows-ukrainian-deputy-tossing-grenades-to-blow-up-meeting/ I'd like to live in a world where every politician at every level feared such repercussions. |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:30:50 PM EDT
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Jeepers.... symptoms of a world gone mad. To where a person in a responsible position suicides with a room full of innocents.
War is insane and then it gets damn weird. Lord help us all. |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:32:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The council meeting was being live streamed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why is the camera focused dead center on the door ? The council meeting was being live streamed. During Covid they streamed our local meetings The camera was pointed at the ceiling in one and at the back of a display board in another. Political media people are not the best or brightest |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:32:48 PM EDT
[#30]
Is anyone suing the grenade maker?
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:33:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd like to live in a world where every politician at every level feared such repercussions. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Batryn had opposed a proposal to allocate a 50% raise and a monthly bonus for Mushka during the war, and had voted against deeming the village chief's job performance satisfactory. At the height of the budget debate, Batryn walked out of the council headquarters and then returned less then 3 minutes later to detonate the grenades. https://nypost.com/2023/12/15/news/video-shows-ukrainian-deputy-tossing-grenades-to-blow-up-meeting/ I'd like to live in a world where every politician at every level feared such repercussions. https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/If-you-don-t-c-m-you-have-to-drink-it-/5-2693338/ |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:33:34 PM EDT
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Shock, delayed recognition of the threat.......
Twilight Zone event |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:34:36 PM EDT
[#33]
Not often a gernade gets dropped in a non-combatant crowd
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:38:01 PM EDT
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Killdozer 2.0?
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:38:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Two things about that surprise me. First, no one died in that small of a space with 3 grenades detonating. Second, they all just stared at them and didn't try to take any type of cover. Do that shit in a mall in middle America I could see people being shocked and not know what is going on. But the country is a literal war zone, you'd think they'd realize wtf was up Dude was like . Welcome to the grain fields mother fuckers. |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:38:49 PM EDT
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My wife just threw a snapper on the floor next to me while I was reading this thread. I jumped and yelled "Jesus!!!". Now she's laughing at me.
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:40:53 PM EDT
[#37]
Sic semper HOAs!
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:41:22 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The only thing Ukraine can offer as a viable export now is their women. We got involved in a Civil War, should have minded our own damn business and given all the support and military equipment to Poland. A Putin puppet sowing propaganda. It was never a Civil War. It was an act of aggression by a foreign power (Russia). May every Russian push up sunflowers in Ukraine. |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:41:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So who is this guy? It's this one of Z Man's picks after "cleaning up" the government? Disclose has this quote: "The man, named as council representative Serhiy Batrin, 54, is seen entering the meeting late and standing by the door during a heated discussion at the session in Keretsk, in the Zakarpattia region" |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:42:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Grenades made by Lada? Frags would have killed half or more in that room. |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:46:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They thought they were safe.  |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:47:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Flashbangs Frags would have killed half or more in that room. Interesting. Are flashbangs considered less than lethal, or just less lethal ? |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:47:32 PM EDT
[#43]
I hope he lived so they can stick one up his ass. That would be justice.
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:48:33 PM EDT
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Where do grenades fall under Robert's Rules?
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:51:12 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow, three grenades in a small room and nobody died? I mean, tossing a grenade is one of the most anticlimactic things I've done after growing up watching '80s action movies (with huge fireball and vehicles being launched into the sky), but still, you'd have expected some deaths in that confined space. He'd have saved more lives if he'd taken out zelenski instead. I bet those grenades are not as potent as American fragmentation grenades. I don't know what they were but I just don't see three American fragmentation grenades going off in that room and nobody dying. |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:53:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Batryn had opposed a proposal to allocate a 50% raise and a monthly bonus for Mushka during the war, and had voted against deeming the village chief's job performance satisfactory. At the height of the budget debate, Batryn walked out of the council headquarters and then returned less then 3 minutes later to detonate the grenades. https://nypost.com/2023/12/15/news/video-shows-ukrainian-deputy-tossing-grenades-to-blow-up-meeting/ I'd like to live in a world where every politician at every level feared such repercussions. https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/If-you-don-t-c-m-you-have-to-drink-it-/5-2693338/ lol check out my last post in that thread. |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:53:20 PM EDT
[#47]
Soooo........definately concussion grenades. Otherwise....the whole room would be covered in blood and almost everyone would be dead.
Gauranteed: they all have major hearing loss in that small room n three powerful pressure releases. Jeepers...ruff stuff |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:57:40 PM EDT
[#48]
Oh you.jpg
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:57:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting. Are flashbangs considered less than lethal, or just less lethal ? Going back through the video those might have been real grenades that just suck. Flashbangs in block rooms will fuck you up without ear and eye pro, BTDT. |
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Posted: 12/15/2023 12:58:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's my take away too. I assumed the whole room would be dead  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nobody dead? Grenades suck That's my take away too. I assumed the whole room would be dead Yes with all the grenade dropping drones videos weve seen I thought they would be more lethal in an enclosed space |
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