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Posted: 8/10/2005 5:58:09 PM EDT
It's on now.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 6:02:10 PM EDT
Thanks, I always forget when things are on.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 6:02:49 PM EDT
sucking allready
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 6:07:35 PM EDT
Funny, I thought it looked better already. They're not being nice to the roper.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 6:08:11 PM EDT
No thanks, I don't care for liberal propaganda.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 6:13:47 PM EDT

Originally Posted By P806:
No thanks, I don't care for liberal propaganda.




Your call. Me? I'm smart enough to be entertained and not suckered.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 6:18:11 PM EDT
The kid's mom is a cunt.

I'm not sure about this one. I wonder if we are going to get our "prisoner abuse" lecture.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 6:19:18 PM EDT
Dupe
Over There on FX tonight

Not to mention the other 12 threads, 7 of which are locked.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 6:37:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pathfinder74:
Dupe
Over There on FX tonight

Not to mention the other 12 threads, 7 of which are locked.




Uh, that thread is for last week. I said tonites "Over there" thread, not last week's.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 6:44:28 PM EDT
I absolutely detested this shit when it premiered.

Last weeks (about the roadblock) wasn't nearly as bad. Still had some bullshit but wasn't quite Mickey Moore levels of bullshit.

Maybe I will give the damn thing a chance.

And the kids Mom is a whore fucking bitch. Fine if you are single, fucked up if you are married and criminal grounds for execution if you are also a "Mommy." I hate that bitch.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 6:47:12 PM EDT
In thought it's been pretty good so far
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 6:54:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/10/2005 6:56:29 PM EDT by captainpooby]
I loved the ending!



Link Posted: 8/10/2005 6:55:24 PM EDT
The ending was pretty good. "Don't hurt anyone there. They don't know what it is." My ass.

The great thing is instead of showing an innocent farm family they show a guy with an AK taking a look at his haul right before...

Well, I won't spoil it.

I'm also glad they didn't get preachy about our treatment of prisoners.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 7:16:20 PM EDT

Originally Posted By captainpooby:

Originally Posted By pathfinder74:
Dupe
Over There on FX tonight

Not to mention the other 12 threads, 7 of which are locked.




Uh, that thread is for last week. I said tonites "Over there" thread, not last week's.



It says tonight... not which tonight. And it was actually started two weeks ago. Not last week. But it's all encompassing with a title like that. Tonight's thread can easily be next week's "tonight".
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 7:24:51 PM EDT
It's the first episode i've ever watched and it struck me as typical Anti american hollywood!!

I mean c'mon the guy promises the Iraqi the U.S won't hurt anyone on the farm and they bomb it?!

Two things wrong with this:

1. We'd want the Missles back since they were stolen from us!

2. We wouldn't bomb from the air anyway since it it would blow the launchers everywhere and there would not be guarantee they were destroyed by someone eyeballing the scene!

Oh and itfurther tries to state we hand over prisoners to thrid parties to be tortured, this was a pure liberal press, ACLU accusation they could not prove!
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 7:31:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By captainpooby:
I loved the ending!

www.vivoscuola.it/us/vtlfnc1915/GBU-10.jpg




I did, too, except I can't help reading a "message" into it. Based on the Hollyweird M.O. I took it as a final little jab at the ruthless and untrustworthy American military. Anyone with a realistic worldview, and even a limited grasp of how the other side plays, should have no problem understanding doing what must be done. But somehow I think they were playing to their irresistable urge to show us as the ultimate bad guys.

That being said, I get a sense that their "target audience" probably doesn't tune in. At the very least they're not seeing anything they don't already imagine so the sum of Bochco's effort is zero. Those like us who watch it get a kick out of such things. I have yet to feel any pity for any of the "victims" they've offered up on the part of the bad guys. I could do without all the stereotypes of every bad personality in the military but I focus on the gun porn if nothing else.

In fact, I may have to watch the second run of it to, uh, finish up, if you know what I mean. I just hope I can hold out to the LGB at the end...
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 7:37:18 PM EDT
that black chick's voice is too damn annoying
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 7:43:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dport:
The ending was pretty good. "Don't hurt anyone there. They don't know what it is." My ass.

The great thing is instead of showing an innocent farm family they show a guy with an AK taking a look at his haul right before...

Well, I won't spoil it.

I'm also glad they didn't get preachy about our treatment of prisoners.




WTF!!! What show were you watching??? Apparently you weren't listening to the dialog, it was ALL about being 'preachy' on prisoner abuse!!!

Dude you need to listen closer.......

And that 'Dim' character is a fucking whining liberal pussy!!! He deserves to get capped!!!
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 7:56:50 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/10/2005 7:58:50 PM EDT by captainpooby]
You can see that show any way you like.
Personally I like the way they portrayed us, that's how I'd like to play the game. Torture and lie to the bastards and then bomb the crap out of them.
You guys can see that as a liberal message, I see it as playing the game right.

ETA: I actually hope that's how we're playing the game 'over there'.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 8:01:58 PM EDT
I will not watch that show.

I'll stick to following the real war, not Hollywood's version of it.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 8:03:18 PM EDT
i thought it was entertaining, just wished those guys could shoot better. I mean the guys are standing in the middle of the street and they cant score a hit, plus bull from band of brothers had the sweetest gun to date and he didnt even shoot it. all in all it was a good episode.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 8:05:01 PM EDT
Tonight's episode was actually pretty good. Yes it was full of liberal BS, but it was still entertaining with a good firefight.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 8:06:59 PM EDT

Originally Posted By sharky30:
that black chick's voice is too damn annoying



Definitely. Like nails on a goddamn chalkboard.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 8:55:31 PM EDT
Wait I miss the part before the last 2 min. They bombed the places with the stingers but how were they sure they were there?
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 9:01:10 PM EDT
To me, it wasn't preachy or liberal propaganda at all. Yes, the Colonel told him no one would be hurt, but the prisoner also lied about no one at the farm knowing. It seemed to me to simply show that the Colonel has the experience to know better than to trust a tango.

As far as turning over prisoners to other countries, he was simply threatening. I am certain that our guys do threaten this and much worse to get vital intel, and rightfully so. The Colonel even told Dim earlier that he just needed to convince the prisoner that he actually would do what he threatened.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 9:05:12 PM EDT
comcast has DVR, which means i tape it, then the FF begins. any scene that is not in-country and under fire gets the hook. i can watch the current trilogy of star wars movies in 37 minutes!
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 9:06:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By sharky30:
that black chick's voice is too damn annoying



Definitely. Like nails on a goddamn chalkboard.



what black chick?

i think she's spanish
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 9:09:34 PM EDT
Anybody else notice this?

Last week a couple of them said they enlisted right after 9/11.

So why are they still privates?
By now they should either be Spec/4 or something like that. Maybe even a buck sergeant.

One last thing about last week:
I taped Over There followed immediately by a taping of ER.
ER’s version of Iraq is more believable that Fox’s take.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 9:41:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GiggleSmith:
Anybody else notice this?

Last week a couple of them said they enlisted right after 9/11.

So why are they still privates?
By now they should either be Spec/4 or something like that. Maybe even a buck sergeant.



They both finished school before reporting for duty.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 9:46:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By rogerdodger:

Originally Posted By roboman:

Originally Posted By sharky30:
that black chick's voice is too damn annoying



Definitely. Like nails on a goddamn chalkboard.



what black chick?

i think she's spanish



according to IMDB her character's last name is Del Rio so I guess she is hispanic, but she looks more like a like skinned black to me
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 10:15:30 PM EDT
WTF are stingers doing there any ways? I didn't think there was ANY threat of enemy air.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 10:46:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By tac45:
WTF are stingers doing there any ways? I didn't think there was ANY threat of enemy air.

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can they be used on ground targets? or they only use at4's ? maybe they were brought over just the be prepared. This is ealry in the war right?
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 10:59:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/10/2005 11:23:01 PM EDT by MudBug]

Originally Posted By Fireguy3:

<SNIP>

Oh and itfurther tries to state we hand over prisoners to thrid parties to be tortured, this was a pure liberal press, ACLU accusation they could not prove!




UMM, no it didn't, it just showed the guy threaten to do that, and that did happen in Afghanistan and the early part of OIF?


It's not a great show, but some of you seem to watch it just waiting for something to piss you off.

It's like my Ex-Wife, I would flip through the TV channels and say "I'm Bored" and she would say "Are you saying I bore you?" and then she would run to the bedroom crying.
Link Posted: 8/10/2005 11:08:43 PM EDT
Sadly, this was the first episode ive seen, but i thought it was really cool.

That Colonel was totally badass IMO
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 12:59:41 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Fireguy3:

Oh and itfurther tries to state we hand over prisoners to thrid parties to be tortured, this was a pure liberal press, ACLU accusation they could not prove!



Actually. . .not true. Discovery or TLC or some channel like that had a special on about interrogation. The guy they had on stated that they used the threat of turning these guys over, and went so far as to dress a U.S. interragator up to scare the living sh!t out of some of the guys. The show never said they handed them over only threatened that they did. And if you think that's as far as the interragators are going you're mistaken, and I'm completely okay with whatever they need to do to get the job done!
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 1:31:08 AM EDT
We do turn over prisoners to a third party for interogation. Jordan is one country that has been announced as a "holding facility" for some of the prisoners.
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 2:24:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By sharky30:
that black chick's voice is too damn annoying


double wide is hispanic
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 3:06:15 AM EDT
could be better, could be worse.

I hope the glasses wearing liberal pussy takes one in the neck, but we'll probably have to wait for sweeps for that.
Bah who am i kidding? the bleeding heart pussy is probably the only one who'll come out of this without a scratch.

I keep waiting for the ay-rab guy to blow himself (and everyone else) to kingdom vcome, but somehow I doubt thats gonna happen either


yeah its full of liberal drivel, but as I understand from people I know that managed to return from that shithole theres actually some accurate things in that show...

..like everyones wives turning into total whores while hubbys out playing in the sand..
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 3:08:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/11/2005 3:27:23 AM EDT by hardcorps1775]

Originally Posted By -Absolut-:
Tonight's episode was actually pretty good. Yes it was full of liberal BS, but it was still entertaining with a good firefight.


"a good firefight"? i thought it was lame as hell! they're in this itty bitty place that's not even big enough to call a "village" and they don't put out security any further than the bldg they're in??? and they set up big huge area lights with a high value prisoner??? then they get ambushed and the guy with the rpk is exposed from the waist up, in the same position, for HOURS (from the dead of night to daybreak) and the supersniper can't tag him??? and the airstrike??? and "make noise so the rags won't hear the f-16 coming"??? can anyone tell me what's wrong with THAT statement???

and i am officially sick of that whiny ass shitbird always spouting off his psuedo intellectual liberal ass hollyweird mantra!!! every show he wrings his hands and cries over the injustice of it all. someone cap his ass already...

double-wide is a black pr. i think her husband has teh ghey...
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 3:19:24 AM EDT
The show is crap.

It made the Americans to look like lying buffoons and the enemy to be a noble freedom fighter. This is the same shit the Liberals did during the Vietnam War.

I won't waste my time watching the show any more. I have too much respect for our troops in Iraq to watch this shit.

I'll let the weak minded Useful Idiots appreciate the show. I'll pass on it.
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 3:25:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By triburst1:
To me, it wasn't preachy or liberal propaganda at all. Yes, the Colonel told him no one would be hurt, but the prisoner also lied about no one at the farm knowing. It seemed to me to simply show that the Colonel has the experience to know better than to trust a tango.

As far as turning over prisoners to other countries, he was simply threatening. I am certain that our guys do threaten this and much worse to get vital intel, and rightfully so. The Colonel even told Dim earlier that he just needed to convince the prisoner that he actually would do what he threatened.


Hmm. That's the same show I saw.

I guess it's a matter of perspective.
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 3:29:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Flash66:
The show is crap.

It made the Americans to look like lying buffoons and the enemy to be a noble freedom fighter. This is the same shit the Liberals did during the Vietnam War.

I won't waste my time watching the show any more. I have too much respect for our troops in Iraq to watch this shit.

I'll let the weak minded Useful Idiots appreciate the show. I'll pass on it.


I'd love for you to name the shows about VN and the movies about VN that were actually filmed during VN.
I'll give you a start: The Green Berets - which was basically a John Wayne propoganda film for the war.
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 3:39:48 AM EDT
Didn't watch.
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 3:46:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/11/2005 3:46:46 AM EDT by senorFrog]

Originally Posted By sharky30:
according to IMDB her character's last name is Del Rio so I guess she is hispanic, but she looks more like a like skinned black to me



Well quite a few hispanics are racially of african descent, especially in the hispanic caribbean countries.
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 3:46:59 AM EDT
Do some of you actually think that just because one character expresses some pacifist or liberal tendencies that the show is anti-war or anti-American????

Do you think it would be better if it just depicted a bunch of guys like us sitting around saying things like, "Nuke 'em all." or "Shoot him in the face."

Unfortunately, not everyone feela the same as we do and showing diverse opinions and personalities among the characters is realistic.
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 3:51:58 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Pangea:
We do turn over prisoners to a third party for interogation. Jordan is one country that has been announced as a "holding facility" for some of the prisoners.


Egypt too.
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 4:13:24 AM EDT
Some of you guys seem to think that the military is nothing but republicans boy are you wrong! When I was part of the 1st Cav during the first Bush election in 2000 A lot of the "african american" soldiers walked around the battalion area claiming so proudly that they voted for Gore
and that they were proud democrats this included two of our first sergeants.

I think that the show is pretty good it shows a good mix of different characters that really show up in most platoons. Every platoon I have ever been a part of had its mix of racists, democrats, hard chargers and fuckups. As for tactics most combat arms platoons make mistakes, they dont always do what is right for the given situation. A good example of this happened to the 10th mountain when they first got to STAN.

I really enjoy this show it is gritty and in your face about casualties and has some pretty grusome parts. It has some faults but overall it is a good show.



Link Posted: 8/11/2005 4:21:40 AM EDT
Didn't think it was as bad as before..you can read messages into any TV show. Just remember, as I tell the kids...its not real..its just TV.

By the way, anyone know why they call the one chick MRS. B and why she screamed last night "I hate that name" ??

Essayons
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 4:30:03 AM EDT

Originally Posted By dport:
The kid's mom is a cunt.

I'm not sure about this one. I wonder if we are going to get our "prisoner abuse" lecture.



What you missed the other episode where they showed the ROPers torturing an American GI and showed how much worse the shit they do to our people is compared to the panties on the head treatment we gave them.
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 4:35:26 AM EDT
I think the show is pretty good compared to what else is on in that time slot.They key to somewhat enjoying the show is to not look for any hint of Liberalism you can find,then write the show off as Liberal propoganda.It is much more enjoyable that way.

My thought is if Bochco really wanted a Liberal slant,he would have shown the ROP'er getting beat up by that Colonel,then him telling all the soldiers if they say anything they will be reprimanded and kicked out of the service and life destroyed.Nothing like that happened.Hell,they even went as far to say THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED to do anything else to the prisoner except that "Distress" position.

Another Liberal slant would have been for Bochco NOT to show the guy with the AK47 at the farm house before it was targeted,but they did.

It's all in the way you look at it.Besides what else is on ? Fucking reruns of the Ellen show???
Link Posted: 8/11/2005 7:29:18 AM EDT
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