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12/15/2015 7:18:02 PM EDT
Mepro's and Trijicons are priced up there for some.

Are there any economy optics that don't use batteries to illuminate the dot?
12/15/2015 7:20:26 PM EDT
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Interested aswell.
12/15/2015 7:22:49 PM EDT
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lets keep this one up till it gets answered...

I for one and not aware of a budget no battery dot site though
12/15/2015 7:23:20 PM EDT
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I don't know of any.  How about a reasonably priced red dot that gets 50,000 hours of battery life?  http://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-advanced-micro-dot-with-push-buttons-and-up-to-50k-hour-battery-life/p/kt-md-ads/
12/15/2015 7:39:57 PM EDT
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I am not aware of any either, but my guess is that the best you are going to do is split the difference with a prism optic that has an etched reticle along with a battery powered illumination option.
12/15/2015 7:48:07 PM EDT
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What's wrong with good old iron sights?
12/15/2015 7:49:13 PM EDT
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well not only am I fat but my vision isn't what it used to be....
12/15/2015 7:51:09 PM EDT
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acog ish There are batteries in it, but has a fiber optic backup. dunnmo how good they are though



12/15/2015 7:54:16 PM EDT
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Battery free, budget reflex sight thread
12/15/2015 10:13:24 PM EDT
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Armson OEG. You're welcome....

Tomac
12/16/2015 9:54:39 AM EDT
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Bump for the industry peeps on board.
12/16/2015 9:57:51 AM EDT
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well not only am I fat but my vision isn't what it used to be....

 This................. getting old Blows goats...
12/16/2015 10:00:28 AM EDT
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I don't know of any.  How about a reasonably priced red dot that gets 50,000 hours of battery life?  http://www.primaryarms.com/primary-arms-advanced-micro-dot-with-push-buttons-and-up-to-50k-hour-battery-life/p/kt-md-ads/
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Circuits and batteries fail sooner or later.

12/16/2015 10:01:06 AM EDT
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With enough interest it won't be long before Primary Arms does one and then everyone tries to copy them.
12/16/2015 10:15:08 AM EDT
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12/16/2015 10:16:49 AM EDT
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Interesting, any firsthand experience with these Tomac?
12/16/2015 10:51:18 AM EDT
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Circuits and batteries fail sooner or later.


So do BCG and barrels.
12/16/2015 4:18:28 PM EDT
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Circuits and batteries fail sooner or later.


So do BCG and barrels.


If I leave my optic in action mode it will fail sooner or later it I dont monitor it.
I can leave my rifle with one in the chamber and I suspect the bcg and the barrel will be just fine.
12/16/2015 4:21:33 PM EDT
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Holy cow. Nice blast from the past, pardner.


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12/16/2015 4:23:25 PM EDT
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12/16/2015 4:34:50 PM EDT
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The Vortex Spitfire 1x and 3x doesn't need batteries. You can put them in and use them, but its not required and I rarely ever use the illuminated feature anyways.

Edit: Oh you want a illuminated ret without batteries. Yay for my reading comprehension. I have to imagine this has to be on someones plate, a intermediary to Trijicons pricing.
12/16/2015 4:34:56 PM EDT
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As others have said, I'm not aware of any lower cost optics that would suit what you want, especially since you're looking for a red dot, instead of a magnified optic.

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Circuits and batteries fail sooner or later.


Quality optics aren't consumer electronics that are intended to break and need to be replaced every other year, they're incredibly durable and reliable. There's no good reason to have a phobia of electronic sights these days, especially if you can delay gratification a little while longer and buy a better optic.
Shop around and find a used Aimpoint Pro. Change the batteries every four or five years and it will likely outlast you.
12/16/2015 4:34:57 PM EDT
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If I leave my optic in action mode it will fail sooner or later it I dont monitor it.
I can leave my rifle with one in the chamber and I suspect the bcg and the barrel will be just fine.
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Circuits and batteries fail sooner or later.


So do BCG and barrels.


If I leave my optic in action mode it will fail sooner or later it I dont monitor it.
I can leave my rifle with one in the chamber and I suspect the bcg and the barrel will be just fine.

How much action do you get into on a regular basis?
12/16/2015 4:36:00 PM EDT
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I got to play with a couple of those.....I'll just say its different...
12/16/2015 4:42:37 PM EDT
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       https://www.leupold.com/tactical/scopes/tactical-prismatic-riflescopes/







http://www.burrisoptics.com/sights/ar-sights-series/ar-1x





 






ETA:  I acknowledge that these use batteries.  They have etched glass reticles, however, and are therefore not wholly dependent on batteries.  
12/16/2015 4:50:56 PM EDT
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Circuits and batteries fail sooner or later.


So do BCG and barrels.


If I leave my optic in action mode it will fail sooner or later it I dont monitor it.
I can leave my rifle with one in the chamber and I suspect the bcg and the barrel will be just fine.

How much action do you get into on a regular basis?


Married 12 years.
Mostly dry fire practice.
12/16/2015 5:03:16 PM EDT
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Lol at the description. That's got to be more like tier 7
12/22/2015 12:59:57 PM EDT
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Looks like these would work well for a truck gun.
12/22/2015 1:02:46 PM EDT
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One of their prism scopes with fiber would be awesome
12/22/2015 1:03:40 PM EDT
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Does it suck?
12/22/2015 1:09:38 PM EDT
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Burris or Bushnell(cant remember which one) used to make the Firefly scopes that were kinda like an illuminated scope if you held them up to the sun to charger or shined a flash light into them.  Kinda like old glow in the dark watches.  Meant more for twilight hunting then a replacement for a true illuminated scope
12/22/2015 1:11:48 PM EDT
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I made a tritium lit surplus Z24 for my G3SG1 clone back in the day, but those are rare now.
12/22/2015 1:19:01 PM EDT
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Lol at the description. That's got to be more like tier 7


A buddy had one of those, he ended up giving it to his kid for his airsoft.
The kid doesn't use it.
12/22/2015 1:19:33 PM EDT
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Bushnell may still make the firefly.  I have two.  They work. They even used to come with a little flashlight to charge them.
12/22/2015 1:20:31 PM EDT
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Meprolight M21
12/22/2015 1:24:13 PM EDT
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Just bought one of these without the mount for $1 at a garage sale..
12/22/2015 3:07:32 PM EDT
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Different Good, Different Bad,  Completely Fucky??????  Some kind of hint
12/22/2015 7:36:05 PM EDT
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Tried one of those on a carry handle mount once upon a time.  Makes a rather top heavy set up
12/22/2015 7:52:00 PM EDT
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Armson OEG. You're welcome....

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Used one of the Trijicon ones for awhile.  They are ok, but a see through set up is better. Same basic thing happens when you flip the front lens cover shut on a standard dot sight and/or based on my experience using an Aimpoint as it gets darker tends to result in a similar result.  Best I can recall, you have to fire about as soon as the dot is on target or it starts appearing to move also.  

Not sure how accurate the claim is, but I have read that the distance between the eyes/picking the dot up with one eye and the target with the other induces a bit of windage error at any range other than where the sight was zeroed at.
12/22/2015 8:04:26 PM EDT
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The local shop had one of those on an old-school carry handle mount.

I came really close to buying it.
12/22/2015 9:14:15 PM EDT
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Armson OEG. You're welcome....

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Yes. My first 'high-tech' RDS was a Singlepoint ( of Son Tay fame, see pic below) but jumped on the OEG when it first came out. It was fast, light, rugged and very KISS.
However, at the time I didn't understand the true nature of an OEG and why my zero seemed to shift if trying for a precision shot. Eventually sold it for that reason.
Now that I understand how the OEG functions, I've toyed w/the idea of picking up another to experiment with. While definitely old-school compared w/modern RDS', I'd take one over irons any day of the week.
Tomac



12/22/2015 9:16:44 PM EDT
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They were first.
12/22/2015 9:22:33 PM EDT
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No go, unless PA comes up with something patentable.  Meprolight and Trijicon pretty much own all the known patents on them.  So unless they work out a licensing deal...