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Posted: 1/25/2016 1:12:42 AM EDT
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IIRC, the walls of the container may not be rated for the pressure of the earth burying it, causing potential structural failure.
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Posted: 1/25/2016 1:13:27 AM EDT
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If you bury it, it will collapse.
Mythbusters tried it already... |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 1:14:10 AM EDT
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Shipping containers don't respond well to burial.
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Posted: 1/25/2016 1:14:37 AM EDT
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Want to make someone laugh really hard, call a contractor that specializes in building basements and subterranean structures and tell them your idea.
The problem will be moisture, and your container won't last long when the onslaught of rust begins to weaken the walls. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 1:18:43 AM EDT
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I was figuring on that...
I guess I'll just have to get it poured. Gonna be a lot spendier that way. Was hoping to keep it off the books, as well but - I know shit about concrete 
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Posted: 1/25/2016 1:24:05 AM EDT
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Have the container reinforced to deal with the lateral pressures of being buried.
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Posted: 1/25/2016 1:29:17 AM EDT
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Look at pre-formed concrete septic tanks.
Some of the larger ones, are perfect for a storm cellar. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 1:31:18 AM EDT
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I was figuring on that... I guess I'll just have to get it poured. Gonna be a lot spendier that way. Was hoping to keep it off the books, as well but - I know shit about concrete I actually thought it'd be cheaper. Containers aren't that cheap and add in what it'd take to give it a foundation, waterproofing, reinforcement, etc. I think a poured foundation and wall would be cheaper in the end. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 1:31:48 AM EDT
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I planted a huge oil field tank.....it worked well after I finally got it to stay put. It floated 2 times in 3 years. 1/4 thick steel, it was many thousands of pounds. I ended up digging a 24"x24" trench all around it, welding rebar all the way around and poured 9 yards of concrete around it. It's still there to this day, hasn't moved an inch.
If I had it to do again I would just do it with concrete. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 1:39:24 AM EDT
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Depth is the question? If you're talking a foot or so, that's pretty easy. If you want it 4' or more that's a much bigger issue. Generally, angle iron fully welded end to end from the corner post will give you enough side load. Same thing can be done with the top.
There's a whole host of ways to mitigate moister. Coatings. plastic sheet, rock/french drain setup are just a few. Again, really depends on many situations that are geographical specific. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 1:45:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was figuring on that... I guess I'll just have to get it poured. Gonna be a lot spendier that way. Was hoping to keep it off the books, as well but - I know shit about concrete There are pre-made shelters that you pretty much just bury and call it a day. All designed for its intended purpose and may be cheaper than concrete. Other than Atlas Survival Shelters, the company names are escaping me. I want to say there is a guy here in TX that builds them and was featured on some TV show(s). |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 1:48:17 AM EDT
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If you have a well built house why would you need a shipping container shack?
 
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Posted: 1/25/2016 1:52:59 AM EDT
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As others have said, containers are not designed for burial. You are probably better off with a cast in place or ICF basement.
If you have $$$, give a thought to steel arch buildings with rebar and shotcrete reinforcement. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 2:02:18 AM EDT
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Spray it down with something similar to truck bed liner? That or just use it for a form of sorts and just encapsulate it in concrete....obviously not the end you want to have access too. Wouldn't be hard to temporarily brace the inside of it until the concrete cured. Also here in Oklahoma, there are a few companies that build and Install underground shelters.
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Posted: 1/25/2016 2:08:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/25/2016 2:16:22 AM EDT
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Want to make someone laugh really hard, call a contractor that specializes in building basements and subterranean structures and tell them your idea. The problem will be moisture, and your container won't last long when the onslaught of rust begins to weaken the walls. Spray it with bedliner and add some bracing. Problem solved
Eta: beat You don't even need expensive bedliner. There are tar like products that will work.. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 2:18:20 AM EDT
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Look at pre-formed concrete septic tanks. Some of the larger ones, are perfect for a storm cellar. But what about all the poop? |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 2:49:13 AM EDT
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Look at pre-formed concrete septic tanks. Some of the larger ones, are perfect for a storm cellar. But what about all the poop? 
Outside of Pennsylvania, New Septic tanks, don't come with Poop already in them. We are all backwards that way.
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Posted: 1/25/2016 2:55:37 AM EDT
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Are these considered any good for tornado shelters?
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Posted: 1/25/2016 2:59:53 AM EDT
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Outside of Pennsylvania, New Septic tanks, don't come with Poop already in them. We are all backwards that way.
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Look at pre-formed concrete septic tanks. Some of the larger ones, are perfect for a storm cellar. But what about all the poop?
Outside of Pennsylvania, New Septic tanks, don't come with Poop already in them. We are all backwards that way.
Man you guys need to live a little. If it were me I'd probably use precast foundation walls. Then you could pour the ceiling. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 3:28:14 AM EDT
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As others have said, containers are not designed for burial. You are probably better off with a cast in place or ICF basement. If you have $$$, give a thought to steel arch buildings with rebar and shotcrete reinforcement. Quonset huts are even worse than shipping containers for burial. When was the last time you heard of a shipping container collapsing under the weight of snow? Its actually not that uncommon with a QH; they're pretty weak structures. You'd have to do a lot of reinforcement to handle the weight of the shotcrete. You're essentially using an expensive steel structure that needs lots of reinforcement (along a difficult arc) as a concrete form. Between the cost of the QH, the cost of reinforcing it, and the cost of shotcrete application, I think you'd be far better off with traditional poured concrete construction. 
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Posted: 1/25/2016 3:28:36 AM EDT
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I don't think you worry about a $2k container rotting away. Maybe just POR it or something.
The big thing is to buy 4 spiral pet stakes to hold it down.  .
Oh and maybe a way to get out from the inside. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 3:55:10 AM EDT
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IIRC, the walls of the container may not be rated for the pressure of the earth burying it, causing potential structural failure. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile This. Get an underground fuel tank. Works much better and can be had for cheap if you keep your eyes open. Got this 8000 gal one for $600.  
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Posted: 1/25/2016 4:11:44 AM EDT
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This. Get an underground fuel tank. Works much better and can be had for cheap if you keep your eyes open. Got this 8000 gal one for $600. <a href="http://s27.photobucket.com/user/J75player/media/IMG_20110809_130757.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/J75player/IMG_20110809_130757.jpg</a><a href="http://s27.photobucket.com/user/J75player/media/stormshelter_zps47601825.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/J75player/stormshelter_zps47601825.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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IIRC, the walls of the container may not be rated for the pressure of the earth burying it, causing potential structural failure. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile This. Get an underground fuel tank. Works much better and can be had for cheap if you keep your eyes open. Got this 8000 gal one for $600. <a href="http://s27.photobucket.com/user/J75player/media/IMG_20110809_130757.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/J75player/IMG_20110809_130757.jpg</a><a href="http://s27.photobucket.com/user/J75player/media/stormshelter_zps47601825.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/J75player/stormshelter_zps47601825.jpg</a> I am interested to see more pictures and details of this project. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 4:36:53 AM EDT
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Where would one buy a used underground fuel tank like that?
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Posted: 1/25/2016 4:44:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhen I was a kid we lived in a trailer park in Nebraska and they used one of those as a storm shelter. I remember one time there were tornadoes in the area, and we went to the shelter. The top wasn't covered, the metal was exposed. I'll never forget the sound of the hail hitting that thing and my mother covering my ears. I don't know about burying them completely, but I know they can work partially buried, they just SUCK. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 4:47:51 AM EDT
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This. Get an underground fuel tank. Works much better and can be had for cheap if you keep your eyes open. Got this 8000 gal one for $600. <a href="http://s27.photobucket.com/user/J75player/media/IMG_20110809_130757.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/J75player/IMG_20110809_130757.jpg</a><a href="http://s27.photobucket.com/user/J75player/media/stormshelter_zps47601825.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/J75player/stormshelter_zps47601825.jpg</a> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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IIRC, the walls of the container may not be rated for the pressure of the earth burying it, causing potential structural failure. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile This. Get an underground fuel tank. Works much better and can be had for cheap if you keep your eyes open. Got this 8000 gal one for $600. <a href="http://s27.photobucket.com/user/J75player/media/IMG_20110809_130757.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/J75player/IMG_20110809_130757.jpg</a><a href="http://s27.photobucket.com/user/J75player/media/stormshelter_zps47601825.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/J75player/stormshelter_zps47601825.jpg</a> Awesome snag!!! 
With the EPA going batshit on regs and inspections, lots of guys, are going back above ground for Farm tanks. How bad was it eaten up on the bottom, where the water settled? My only worry, would be keeping the thing from floating up if left empty. Anchor "Wings" or some other additional method? |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 4:49:52 AM EDT
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Where would one buy a used underground fuel tank like that? Got mine off of craigslist from an excavation company that removes and installs them for gas stations. They are decontaminated per regs when they are removed. Mine was removed shortly after install due to a regulation change. Still had the waterproof coating on it, about a 1/4 inch of a ceramic type material. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 5:06:28 AM EDT
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Not much else for pix on hand. Serves as a storm shelter/celler. It is 8' diameter by 25' long. Floor is 1.5' off the bottom. Storage under the floor and shelving. Is wired with 110v outlets and florescent lights. Also a 12v system with led light strips. It has a convection ventilation system with a 12v pusher on it. With the fan on it will completely exchange the air every 2 minutes. It is insulated and underground, gets down to about 40f in the coldest days of winter inside. It is set up with hammocks if the family needs to stay the night because of storms. I had the entrance welded up by a local shop, all and all the shelter cost me about $1800. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 5:47:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/J75player/NCM_0008_zpsb2734bfb.jpg Not much else for pix on hand. Serves as a storm shelter/celler. It is 8' diameter by 25' long. Floor is 1.5' off the bottom. Storage under the floor and shelving. Is wired with 110v outlets and florescent lights. Also a 12v system with led light strips. It has a convection ventilation system with a 12v pusher on it. With the fan on it will completely exchange the air every 2 minutes. It is insulated and underground, gets down to about 40f in the coldest days of winter inside. It is set up with hammocks if the family needs to stay the night because of storms. I had the entrance welded up by a local shop, all and all the shelter cost me about $1800. Id gladly pay $1800 for that setup. Nice score! |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 5:50:33 AM EDT
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The side walls and end walls/doors have to withstand loadings of 0.6P and 0.4P respectively, these values equate to 28,746 lbs and 19,164 lbs based upon the payload given above. The side wall area in contact with the load is 146.56 sq. ft. giving a pressure of 196 lbs/sq. ft. Corresponding figures for the end wall/doors are 51.78 sq. ft. and 370 lbs/sq. ft. These figures are well in excess of the 20 lbs/sq. ft. wind load required for structures less than 50 ft. high. A wind of 100 MPH produces a pressure of only 30 lbs/sq. ft.
The roof load test is 660 lbs over an area of 2' x 1' applied to the weakest part of the roof. The load is usually applied at the center of the containers positioned with the 2' dimension aligned longitudinally. Thus the roof is able to support an imposed load of a minimum of 330 lbs/sq. ft. The design is easily capable of supporting the basic snow loads of 30 lbs per sq. ft. evenly distributed. It is difficult to quantify uplift and suction forces. Unlike a building, the roof of a container is an integral part of the structure; it is continuously welded around its entire periphery and is itself made from sheets of corrugated 14 ga. Cor-Ten steel also continuously welded together. This steel, also used for the side and end walls has a minimum yield strength of 50 ksi, and tensile of 70 ksi. The probability of the roof being removed by these forces is practically zero as the entire container structure would have to be destroyed for this to happen. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 7:08:57 AM EDT
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I have often wondered why storm shelters are not built on the ground and then covered with dirt forming a mound. It seems it would be easier to control the moisture and get into and out of.
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Posted: 1/25/2016 7:24:54 AM EDT
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An empty railroad tanker car would be much stronger
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Posted: 1/25/2016 7:43:15 AM EDT
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Contact your vault-tec rep!
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Posted: 1/25/2016 8:14:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am interested to see more pictures and details of this project. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: IIRC, the walls of the container may not be rated for the pressure of the earth burying it, causing potential structural failure. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile This. Get an underground fuel tank. Works much better and can be had for cheap if you keep your eyes open. Got this 8000 gal one for $600. <a href="http://s27.photobucket.com/user/J75player/media/IMG_20110809_130757.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/J75player/IMG_20110809_130757.jpg</a><a href="http://s27.photobucket.com/user/J75player/media/stormshelter_zps47601825.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c183/J75player/stormshelter_zps47601825.jpg</a> I am interested to see more pictures and details of this project. Same here. ^^^^^^^^^^^ |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 8:17:08 AM EDT
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I have often wondered why storm shelters are not built on the ground and then covered with dirt forming a mound. It seems it would be easier to control the moisture and get into and out of. Because folks don't like having a 10' pile of dirt in their back yard?
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Posted: 1/25/2016 8:21:10 AM EDT
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I have often wondered why storm shelters are not built on the ground and then covered with dirt forming a mound. It seems it would be easier to control the moisture and get into and out of. Because folks don't like having a 10' pile of dirt in their back yard? And I'm pretty sure an F5 like the one that hit Greensburg KS would ruin it's day. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 8:22:55 AM EDT
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Look at pre-formed concrete septic tanks. Some of the larger ones, are perfect for a storm cellar. Storms coming! Everybody into the shitbox! |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 8:27:44 AM EDT
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Shed of Doom part 2 has begun
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Posted: 1/25/2016 8:34:14 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/25/2016 8:50:34 AM EDT
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Look at pre-formed concrete septic tanks. Some of the larger ones, are perfect for a storm cellar. That is what mine is made out of. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 9:09:01 AM EDT
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If you have a well built house why would you need a shipping container shack? A quiet place for me and the hound to escape the women folk and Pomeranians |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 9:10:06 AM EDT
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The used ones have spent a pretty harsh life in a marine environment and typically have a decent amount of rust going as it is.
Even if it survived the burial it would rust to shit fairly quickly. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 9:15:05 AM EDT
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Don't bother. The floors are wood and the sides will buckle if you backfill to high.
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Posted: 1/25/2016 9:22:11 AM EDT
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Buy a large culvert pipe and bury it.
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Posted: 1/25/2016 9:22:27 AM EDT
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I have often wondered why storm shelters are not built on the ground and then covered with dirt forming a mound. It seems it would be easier to control the moisture and get into and out of. That is how the one at the farm I used to live on was. About 1/2-3/4 buried and then covered over. Looked like a little hill/dune. It was a old shipping container, they added a lot of reinforcement in the form of 2" square tube and then they sprayed with what looked like rhino-lining on the inside and out, then set it in a concrete base, then filled the dirt back in and over. They drove a F350 dulie over it a few times to test the strength and the roof didn't even flex. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 9:25:18 AM EDT
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I've actually seen a smaller cargo container buried for storage/storm shelter use!
I didn't question the practice...and the guy didn't dig it in verticaly...he dug it into a tall sand bank behind his cabin and scooted it into place...then bermed it up....leaving the door above ground. More or less a ground level walk in shelter....
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Posted: 1/25/2016 10:07:08 AM EDT
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Just buy a couple cases of booze. The world may end, but you can get so drunk that you won't care.
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Posted: 1/25/2016 10:13:24 AM EDT
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Where would one buy a used underground fuel tank like that? You DO NOT WANT USED ! The carcinogens latent in the material of the tank will give you health problems. |
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