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Posted: 3/26/2023 5:24:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/64869/FB_IMG_1679859876347_jpg-2759801.JPGWe visited the ambush site in early 2022. As you can imagine, it is visited by all types, as you can tell by the vandalism to the monuments. Like a memorial to St. Floyd. There's no need to memorialize scumbags |
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Posted: 3/26/2023 5:29:28 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/26/2023 5:30:54 PM EDT
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Some years ago I had an opportunity to buy a small swatch of the pants Clyde was wearing when he was shot. The pants had been cut into one inch squares, came with a certificate of authenticity signed by Clyde's sister, I think. Seemed legit and was maybe a hundred bucks. It kind of had my interest, but then I thought about it, and said to myself I'm not so sure I want any relics of Clyde Barrow in my house, so I passed.
Just seemed like inviting bad karma - something I don't need to invite into my life. The two of them were basically well-armed criminal white trash who got exactly what was coming and I expect got exactly what they expected to happen to them, so win-win. |
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Posted: 3/26/2023 5:37:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like a memorial to St. Floyd. There's no need to memorialize scumbags Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/64869/FB_IMG_1679859876347_jpg-2759801.JPGWe visited the ambush site in early 2022. As you can imagine, it is visited by all types, as you can tell by the vandalism to the monuments. Like a memorial to St. Floyd. There's no need to memorialize scumbags To clarify, the monuments were dedicated to the law enforcement officers. I will try to upload pics if I can figure out how to reduce the file sizes. |
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Posted: 3/26/2023 5:37:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They murdered at least 13 people, so... Hardly anything romantic about that is there? 
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Posted: 3/26/2023 5:37:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/26/2023 5:41:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting. Better pictures could help. Colt’s never blued the sides of the hammer on that model so if the hammer is blue on the sides the gun was more than likely refinished at some point. It’s too dang shiny to take an honest picture. In person where the lacquer stops is pretty obvious.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 3/26/2023 5:45:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To clarify, the monuments were dedicated to the law enforcement officers. I will try to upload pics if I can figure out how to reduce the file sizes. Oh, then yeah. I get the hesitation people have with the tactic used, but it was the only one that could be used. Bonnie and Clyde proved that they weren't going to do things the civilized way. Act feral, get treated like a feral |
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Posted: 3/26/2023 5:53:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The model a ford never came with a flathead v8. The flathead v8 was introduced in 1932 in a new model car. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The Model "T" was bare bones transportation & only came in Black. The Model "A" came with the Ford Flathead V-8 & came in different colors. Shooting up the Wrong Car? You are thinking of John Dillinger - Not Bonnie & Clyde. Some of the Government Agents pursuing his gang shot up the wrong vehicle - killing at least one occupant when trying to catch the Dillinger Gang at a small vacation lodge called Little Bohemia near present-day Manitowish Waters, Wisconsin. The occupants were leaving the one dollar Sunday dinner special and didn't hear the orders to stop the car over the radio & engine noise. The gunfire of shooting up the car alerted the gangsters who fled the scene. The model a ford never came with a flathead v8. The flathead v8 was introduced in 1932 in a new model car. The 1932 Ford Model B introduced the flathead V-8 |
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Posted: 3/26/2023 5:55:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/562719/bonnie_jpg-2759557.JPG She was not a pretty person the movie portrayed her to be .... the one with Warren Beaty. I thought she looked pretty hot in the pics they found left behind after the shootout in Joplin. This one above was one if them. |
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Posted: 3/26/2023 5:58:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryGreat book! |
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Posted: 3/26/2023 6:02:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a pic of my great uncle, writer and historian Walter Prescott Webb, sitting with Frank Hamer and Manny Gault on Hamer's front porch in Austin right after they returned form LA after killing Bonnie and Clyde. Hamer is telling my uncle how things happened and Manny Gault is listening in. Hamer didn't trust the media, even back then, and refused to talk with them about the ambush and hunt leading up to it. Hamer and my uncle were best friends that met on a regular basis to play penny ante poker in Austin. He was also the only one Hamer trusted to document the details, which he did in his book The Texas Rangers. Hamer used as Mod. 8 Rem.,.35 Rem. with an extended magazine he ordered through Petmakies (sic) gunshop, one of the only gunshops/gunsmiths in Austin at the time. They shot the car from across the road facing the driver's side with Clyde driving, and shot through Clyde to hit Bonnie. Someone made an immediate headshot on Clyde killing him instantly and causing his bare foot, (Clyde drove with his shoes off because his right foot missing toes he cut off in prison hurt to drive with shoes on) to slip off the clutch and letting the car lurch forward towards the ditch allowing a rear shot on Bonnie. She started screaming hysterically and they shot until the screaming stopped. The sounds of her screaming haunted some of the ambush crew until they died. Bonnie was shot to pieces, including through the face, a broken back and the hand that was holding a magazine was blown off. She also had buckshot in her from the right side, leading my to believe someone went around the far side of the car after the intial barrage and shot through the window or opened the door and shot her. Hamer kept their cache of weapons and Bonnie's mother wrote him wanting them back, saying they were Bonnie's property. I don't think Hamer even responded. Hamer said he hated shooting a woman but said after she blew a motorcycle cop's head off with her sawed off Browning Auto-five 20 gauge as he lay dying on the ground and laughed about it, added "She was a bit of a fermale dog." Thanks. Excellent post. |
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Posted: 3/26/2023 6:10:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I wouldn’t have fucked her. They were known criminals, not accused, and what had to be done was done. Yep, criminal, murderous, psycho, assholes. |
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Posted: 3/26/2023 6:13:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought she looked pretty hot in the pics they found left behind after the shootout in Joplin. This one above was one if them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/562719/bonnie_jpg-2759557.JPG She was not a pretty person the movie portrayed her to be .... the one with Warren Beaty. I thought she looked pretty hot in the pics they found left behind after the shootout in Joplin. This one above was one if them. She appeared to be a nice looking young gal in the few pics I’ve seen of her. Nice looking but a mental defective. |
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Posted: 3/26/2023 6:29:42 PM EDT
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From what I have read Bonnie had so many holes in
 her that the embalming fluid just leaked out,and by the end of her funeral she was very ripe with some skin slippage
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Posted: 3/26/2023 6:31:37 PM EDT
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She doesn't seem all that unattractive.
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Posted: 3/26/2023 6:43:50 PM EDT
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Often times crime is justified. I don’t think they were Robbin hood types taking from the big evil banks as much as just run of the mill criminal scumbags. I wasn’t there but I have a very difficult time imagining a scenario where some of their conduct could have been justified.
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Posted: 3/26/2023 6:50:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Often times crime is justified. I don't think they were Robbin hood types taking from the big evil banks as much as just run of the mill criminal scumbags. I wasn't there but I have a very difficult time imagining a scenario where some of their conduct could have been justified. |
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Posted: 3/26/2023 6:55:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: good or bad, what Frank Hamer and Maney Gault did (...and governor Ferguson ordered) was just another ambush, plain and simple they were not heros Neither were Bonnie and Clyde Hell yeah, it was an ambush. Heroes or not, they did a damn fine job of it, and I’m glad they did. |
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Posted: 3/26/2023 6:59:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hell yeah, it was an ambush. Heroes or not, they did a damn fine job of it, and I’m glad they did. What GD cannot understand is that at the time and even as late as the 1960's, ambushes were a legitimate LE tactic. Esp in the big cities. They were called "shotgun squads". Link |
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Posted: 3/26/2023 7:07:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They were murdering scum. Anyone that would take up for them was scum. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I knew an old man from back in the early 80's. At that time he was late 70's or early 80's. He knew them both from when he lived on Dallas. Only once did I see him when someone brought up the subject of them. It was visible he still got angry that Bonnie and Clyde got the negative notoriety that they did. He referred to them as good kids and they were blamed for a lot they didn't do. I guess you had to be there. They were murdering scum. Anyone that would take up for them was scum. Some things I can't see.Some people actually voted for Biden. Some people called for the crucifixion of Jesus. |
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Posted: 3/26/2023 7:13:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIsn't it ironic how so many of the dregs of society have their names discussed & their tombstones visited, while so many of those that devoted their life toward useful ends are buried somewhere in the pages of an obscure mention in the encyclopedia?
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Posted: 3/26/2023 7:17:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/123106/20210301_173347_jpg-2759618.JPG Car can be viewed at the glorious Primm Valley Resort and Casino!  I was surprised it was there, really. Would think the historical significance and popularity would place it somewhere other than a shit hole casino on the border.Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It was a tan car. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/123106/20210301_173347_jpg-2759618.JPG Car can be viewed at the glorious Primm Valley Resort and Casino! I was surprised it was there, really. Would think the historical significance and popularity would place it somewhere other than a shit hole casino on the border.Not there anymore. That was a traveling display. Did they have Al Capone's limo armored limo there next to it? |
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Posted: 3/26/2023 7:21:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not there anymore. That was a traveling display. Did they have Al Capone's limo armored limo there next to it? They had Dutch Schultz's '31 Lincoln |
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Posted: 3/26/2023 7:36:25 PM EDT
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Clyde was a very talented back road driver and loved the Ford V8.
He was a career criminal and died as such. |
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Posted: 3/26/2023 7:37:31 PM EDT
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Local folklore has it that the posse did not stay in the ambush position for an extended period of time or use Methvin in the ambush like the writers said.
Instead Clyde had stopped in town to get some takeout food since Bonnie could not walk. There were some bullet holes in the less than year old 1934 Ford V8 and that got the locals attention who reported it to law enforcement allowing the posse to get in position on the only road from town to the Methvin house. Poor quality dirt roads caused the car to be moving slow. Anybody else heard that version of the ambush story? When the Barrow family moved to Dallas, they lived under a wagon, then a tent and then a tar paper shack. After the robberies started, they moved to a fairly nice house. Is that just a coincidence? Clyde had cut off part of his foot while in prison. Bonnie had been burned either by battery acid or gasoline when Clyde flipped a car a few months before. They were not very mobile. Gang member W. D. Jones said she had 3rd degree burns from her hip to her ankle with the bone showing in many places. Clyde had to take his left shoe off to work the clutch. Former gang members said it was too painful for him to drive with the shoe on. It does not sound like the highly Skilled driver he was made out to be. Other sources say Clyde was 5 foot 4 inches and Bonnie was 4 foot 11 inches. Look at their photos comparing their height to the height of the Ford car hoods. Wanted posters are not always accurate. |
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Posted: 3/26/2023 7:49:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Local folklore has it that the posse did not stay in the ambush position for an extended period of time or use Methvin in the ambush like the writers said. Instead Clyde had stopped in town to get some takeout food since Bonnie could not walk. There were some bullet holes in the less than year old 1934 Ford V8 and that got the locals attention who reported it to law enforcement allowing the posse to get in position on the only road from town to the Methvin house. Poor quality dirt roads caused the car to be moving slow. Anybody else heard that version of the ambush story? When the Barrow family moved to Dallas, they lived under a wagon, then a tent and then a tar paper shack. After the robberies started, they moved to a fairly nice house. Is that just a coincidence? Bonnie was not valedictorian of her high school class. She dropped out of high school her sophomore year to marry Roy Thornton another career criminal who was killed in a prison escape from Huntsville state prison in 1937. She never got divorced and never saw him after 1929 but was still wearing the wedding ring he had given her when she died. Clyde had cut off part of his foot while in prison. Bonnie had been burned either by battery acid or gasoline when Clyde flipped a car a few months before. They were not very mobile. Gang member W. D. Jones said she had 3rd degree burns from her hip to her ankle with the bone showing in many places. Clyde had to take his left shoe off to work the clutch. Former gang members said it was too painful for him to drive with the shoe on. It does not sound like the highly Skilled driver he was made out to be. Other sources say Clyde was 5 foot 4 inches and Bonnie was 4 foot 11 inches. Look at their photos comparing their height to the height of the Ford car hoods. Wanted posters are not always accurate. |
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Posted: 3/26/2023 7:51:02 PM EDT
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Wife and I visited their graves in Dallas when we were there for NRAAM. They're criminals and scum who made history.
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Posted: 3/26/2023 7:56:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: She doesn't seem all that unattractive. She was cute as a blonde with her hair down. Nice tits, too.  Being on the run will take it out of you, though. There are pics out there of her dead. Her right hand got fucked up in the ambush, blew off most of her fingers. |
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Posted: 3/26/2023 7:58:31 PM EDT
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I live a few miles from the area where the Dexfield Iowa shootout occurred. Where I work, our department has a 1921/28 overstamp Thompson that was used in that shootout. I get it out when we go the range every once in awhile to shoot it.
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Posted: 3/26/2023 7:59:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sometimes you have to go dirty to defeat criminals. The ambush made sure justice was served without the uncertainty of the court system and no more good people died. Bonnie and Clyde got what they deserved. I dont consider it an ambush. They had been told to stop and surrender and instead opened fire. The order to stop and surrender still stood even months later so there was no need to say it again. There only chance to survive after that was to turn themselves in. |
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Posted: 3/26/2023 8:00:45 PM EDT
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My wife and I just got back from a trip to LA last Saturday. The B&C Death Site was on my bucket list:
 Sharp eyes will note who erected the monuments:     Someone mentioned taking a piss: Why yes, yes I did!  |
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Posted: 3/26/2023 8:18:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In a day and age where you could have your Ford in any color you wanted as long as it was black, a It is crazy to think what the public reaction would have been had they not gotten the right people. Edit Clearly I either have a bad memory or am thinking of some other gangsters hot up. More like an ambush with positive identification. |
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Posted: 3/26/2023 8:31:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, it’s not bluing. It doesn’t look that way at all in person. It’s a layer, not a surface treatment. And it’s kind of like a car where the door jambs weren’t repainted when the car color was changed. The original bluing is still in good condition under the crane and on the fore and aft ends of the cylinder and not so extra glossy. I think the stamping is mint but partly filled by the lacquer. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That gun has been reblued. The all blue hammer and soft edges are the tells. Plus the finish is too shiny for that era Colt. No, it’s not bluing. It doesn’t look that way at all in person. It’s a layer, not a surface treatment. And it’s kind of like a car where the door jambs weren’t repainted when the car color was changed. The original bluing is still in good condition under the crane and on the fore and aft ends of the cylinder and not so extra glossy. I think the stamping is mint but partly filled by the lacquer. Cool piece of history regardless. When the letter comes through it deserves its own thread. |
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Posted: 3/26/2023 8:34:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I live a few miles from the area where the Dexfield Iowa shootout occurred. Where I work, our department has a 1921/28 overstamp Thompson that was used in that shootout. I get it out when we go the range every once in awhile to shoot it. That would be cool to see! |
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Posted: 3/26/2023 9:19:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I live a few miles from the area where the Dexfield Iowa shootout occurred. Where I work, our department has a 1921/28 overstamp Thompson that was used in that shootout. I get it out when we go the range every once in awhile to shoot it. Back in the 90's I was passing through Iowa on US 6 near Dexfield and had occasion to talk to a guy who was a young man when that shoot-out went down. H told me quite a bit about the shoot-out which happened in a local park where there was a community swimming pool and a band stand where dances were held. At the time, the Rexall drug store in town sold photo packets of pictures and stories clipped from the local papers about the incident. This was where Buck Barrow was killed and Blanche was captured. I've always wondered whiy they drove up into Iowa not knowing the roads and not having ever been there before. |
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Posted: 3/26/2023 9:28:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I live a few miles from the area where the Dexfield Iowa shootout occurred. Where I work, our department has a 1921/28 overstamp Thompson that was used in that shootout. I get it out when we go the range every once in awhile to shoot it. The last unit i was with in the Army, our battalion XO was originally from Iowa and told me that his father was part of the group of folks that shot it out with B&C at Dexfield Park. Don't know if it's true or not, but why brag about something that too many folks don't know about? |
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Posted: 3/26/2023 9:31:04 PM EDT
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Was not bonnie a walking STD?
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Posted: 3/26/2023 9:36:15 PM EDT
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Two photos of dead Bonnie - one is a closeup of her hand that was shot, and the other is of her after she was removed from the car:
 
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Posted: 3/26/2023 11:14:52 PM EDT
[#40]
They were scum who got what they wanted which was attention.
They got it from the wrong man, however. |
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Posted: 3/26/2023 11:20:49 PM EDT
[#41]
Texas Ranger's did the needful and deservedly so.
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Posted: 3/26/2023 11:47:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They were scum who got what they wanted which was attention. They got it from the wrong man, however. |
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Posted: 3/27/2023 12:21:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh, then yeah. I get the hesitation people have with the tactic used, but it was the only one that could be used. Bonnie and Clyde proved that they weren't going to do things the civilized way. Act feral, get treated like a feral Well they were Texas rangers and Hamer and Maney were old school type rangers like before they were actually law enforcement not a military type organization. |
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Posted: 3/27/2023 12:23:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What GD cannot understand is that at the time and even as late as the 1960's, ambushes were a legitimate LE tactic. Esp in the big cities. They were called "shotgun squads". Link Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hell yeah, it was an ambush. Heroes or not, they did a damn fine job of it, and I’m glad they did. What GD cannot understand is that at the time and even as late as the 1960's, ambushes were a legitimate LE tactic. Esp in the big cities. They were called "shotgun squads". Link Exactly. Modern police tactics really don't start get developed until the 1960s from all the guys coming back from Nam. |
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Posted: 3/27/2023 12:53:44 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/27/2023 1:00:41 AM EDT
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Upon further research (death photos) it appears Bonnie had a nice rack.
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Posted: 3/27/2023 2:08:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because that's vikki and vances death car.they committed a narrow swath of shoplifting, check-cashing fraud, and gas pump drive-offs. 
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Posted: 3/27/2023 3:06:40 AM EDT
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Love 'em or hate 'em, they've cemented themselves into American history. Heck, they even had a gun pair marketed in their name by Charter Arms back in the late 80s.
  Bonnie was a Charter Arms Undercover in .32 H&R Magnum and Clyde was a Charter Arms Undercover in .38 Special. They were made until '91. |
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Posted: 3/27/2023 3:13:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The last unit i was with in the Army, our battalion XO was originally from Iowa and told me that his father was part of the group of folks that shot it out with B&C at Dexfield Park. Don't know if it's true or not, but why brag about something that too many folks don't know about? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I live a few miles from the area where the Dexfield Iowa shootout occurred. Where I work, our department has a 1921/28 overstamp Thompson that was used in that shootout. I get it out when we go the range every once in awhile to shoot it. The last unit i was with in the Army, our battalion XO was originally from Iowa and told me that his father was part of the group of folks that shot it out with B&C at Dexfield Park. Don't know if it's true or not, but why brag about something that too many folks don't know about?  It was interesting that it is reported that 100 spectators went with LE to the park and they slugged it out with the Barrow Gang. |
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Posted: 3/27/2023 3:17:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Exactly. Modern police tactics really don't start get developed until the 1960s from all the guys coming back from Nam. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Hell yeah, it was an ambush. Heroes or not, they did a damn fine job of it, and I'm glad they did. What GD cannot understand is that at the time and even as late as the 1960's, ambushes were a legitimate LE tactic. Esp in the big cities. They were called "shotgun squads". Link Exactly. Modern police tactics really don't start get developed until the 1960s from all the guys coming back from Nam. |
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