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Posted: 12/24/2003 11:53:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/24/2003 11:54:04 PM EDT by clean_cut]

1 Peter 3

Wives and Husbands

1Wives, in the same way be submissive to your husbands so that, if any of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by the behavior of their wives, 2when they see the purity and reverence of your lives. 3Your beauty should not come from outward adornment, such as braided hair and the wearing of gold jewelry and fine clothes. 4Instead, it should be that of your inner self, the unfading beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which is of great worth in God's sight. 5For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to make themselves beautiful. They were submissive to their own husbands, 6like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her master. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.
7Husbands, in the same way be considerate as you live with your wives, and treat them with respect as the weaker partner and as heirs with you of the gracious gift of life, so that nothing will hinder your prayers.

Grunt snort.

(And men take note of verse 7)
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 12:07:15 AM EDT
It all went downhill after they got the right to vote. [:D]
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 1:54:12 AM EDT
Originally Posted By rainman:
It all went downhill after they got the right to vote. [:D]
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It all went downhill when we gave them shoes and let them out of the bedroom and kitchen. [peep]
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 2:20:15 AM EDT
Originally Posted By rainman:
It all went downhill after they got the right to vote. [:D]
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The 19th amendment was the right thing to do.

But man think about where we would be if women didn't vote.
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 2:25:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2003 2:56:18 AM EDT by HiramRanger]
All I have to say is IBHR... In Before Hannah_Reitsch
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 2:35:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2003 3:23:42 AM EDT by raf]
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 2:55:52 AM EDT
Sorry, it was actually a slip in all honesty.  My spelling normally isn't so great, my fingers move on the keys sometimes faster than I realize what I'm typing...  Although, I must admit, that is kind of funny... but at Hammah's expense.  Sorry Hannah, I'll correct it.  I just remember Hannah taking umbrage with these types of posts that demean women.
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 3:51:27 AM EDT
My wife wisely took those verses to heart years ago. She respects and reinforces my position as head of the household.

Thus we have very little strife in our relationship. The fact that she defers to my judgement on issues where we disagree tempers my decisions in such a way that she actually gets what she wants most of the time anyway, with  no arguments.

She is a very smart woman, and I am lucky to have such a supportive mate to walk through life with.
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 3:57:13 AM EDT
The Bible ain't so touchy-feely about women; it tells it like it is.

Proverbs 14:1

The wise woman builds her house, but with her own hands the foolish one tears hers down.
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Link Posted: 12/25/2003 5:02:39 AM EDT
[b][size=6]END WOMEN SUFFERAGE[/size=6][/b]
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 5:15:13 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Mmanwitgun:
[b][size=6]END WOMEN SUFFERAGE[/size=6][/b]
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That's right!!! WITH A BULLETT!!!(kidding)[beer]
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 5:22:20 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2003 5:27:25 AM EDT by LWilde]
Not sure if Miz LWilde would go for that "submissive" bit.  While Peter's words might have had real meaning and widespread influence in the first century AD, I'm not so sure they apply all that much today in our modern secular society...much as I'd like them to. [;D]

I am completely torn about the 19th Amendment.  While I believe that women absolutely deserve the right to vote...I loathe the occasional outcome of a vote that is heavily influenced by the completely illogical "women's vote".

Women (Most anyway...) tend NOT to use cold-hearted (Male?) logic and consider the overall impact of their vote.  On the contrary...they tend to consider the candidate's pretty face...how he/she stands on the "social" issues, and how that guy played to their emotions.  Clinton, anyone?

Let's face it...women don't do national defense, inside the Beltway nasty politics, or Wall Street economics.  They are more interested in the "Mommy Issues".  "Let's enact that huge social welfare program...everybody "needs" this or that."  Now...about where "the government" is going to get the money to pay for that big social welfare program?  Not a thought.  Clinton knew this and played beautifully to it in 1992:  The "Soccer Mom" vote.  That is what got the lying bastard elected.

I got my education on this during the 2000 Republican National Convention.  My lovely and gracious missus, a very astute voter, upon seeing the young mega-hunk George P. Bush, son of Governor Jeb and hot Mexican-American wife Columba deliver a great speech...IMMEDIATELY decided that if George P. should EVER run for president...he'd have her vote!  Whaaattt???

When I began to question her on the logic of that (Given the guy's political heritage, I'd likely vote for him over a Democrap too...but she is deciding NOW, solely on his looks.), she simply told me to forget it; that he was a shoe-in.  I asked her if that "pretty boy" standard would really be enough for her...AND the other female voters of America and she ASSURED me that only the die-hard liberal lesbian wing of the Democratic Party would not vote for the guy.  She told me that every woman from 18-?? would line up for him...much like many did for JFK.  I was actually stunned.  I asked again...and she told me again:  The pretty Hollywood killer sexy dude looks trumped all other factors.

THAT is what you get when women vote.  [banghead]   [noclue]   [banghead]   [noclue]
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 5:55:11 AM EDT
In the interest of keeping the peace, and it being Christmas morning, I will pass over this stupidity with only a few restrained comments.

May you who have posted this "religiously sanctioned" bigotry be cursed with simple minded passive sows as your wives and daughters.

Careful what you wish for...you may get it.

Link Posted: 12/25/2003 5:56:21 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 6:22:00 AM EDT
So, what you are saying is that you want an ulgy cow that believes to whatever retarded shit falls out of your mouth?  You want her to be stupid and cheap, the no jewelery bit from from a cheap fucker that would not buy anything nice for his wife.

Sounds like Christmas at you house revolved around you drinking a 12 pack and slapping the wife around in your new Wal-mart bathrobe.

I'm sure glad I did not go to whatever church taught you this backwards shit. This holiday is actually a Catholic church invention in order to get early pagans away from winter solstice celebrations and into christian celebrations.  I think the pagan one, where they burn the guy with the goofy idea about submissive women would be more fun.  Merry Christmas, weirdo.
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 6:30:14 AM EDT
Lonegunman:  [kiss]

Thanks brother, I knew there were still some intelligent secure men on this board.
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 6:39:15 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2003 6:50:45 AM EDT by DScott]
When men starting acting like [u]they're[/u] supposed to, I imagine women might be more inclined to act like we [u]supposedly[/u] want them to.

Know how many families there are with women as sole head-of-household?

10 million.

Where are the "right acting" men?

Looking at porn, most likely.  Isn't [u]that[/u] the way women are supposed to act?

Before anybody starts preaching, you better make damn sure you and yours are perfect.

(edit: added census data report- [url]http://www.census.gov/prod/2001pubs/p20-537.pdf[/url] )
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 7:07:02 AM EDT
Nice passage. If taken to heart literally we would be no more advanced a society than the "towel-heads."

My wife can put people in their places, physically and verbally - she was a waitress and bartender in school and had to deal with guys who would start to preach that crap after a couple of rounds of tequila.

It is because she can tell me what's what and show me the better way to do something that she keeps me out of trouble. That's what got me interested in marrying her instead of just living with my Labs and scoring some trim on the weekends.

I have to agree with Hannah and Lonegunman - keep those thoughts and your head and you will either end up with a very unhappy mate, or spend your life patching leaks in your blow-up doll.

PS- merry X-mas to all!! I hope everyone is having a safe and serene holiday!
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 7:48:36 AM EDT
do you think we would have any gun control if woman didn't vote?

Since most woman vote democrat...
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 8:02:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/25/2003 8:05:49 AM EDT by limaxray]
Lonegunman, you seem to take this passage to mean blind obedience to the husband, I submit it says nothing of the sort.

God understands something the military has been doing for years--the concept of unity of command, or "there can only be one commander".  God wants the MAN to be the head of the household.  Period.  

This passage doesn't mean the woman's chain should only be long enough to reach from the bedroom to the kitchen--it means that the wife should understand that there can only be one head of the household, and that SOMEONE has to make the final decision, and the rest of the family (including the wife) should therefore support it.

It also doesn't mean that the wife should be silent; she can (and in the case of my wife, regularly) try to influence him and change his mind, as directed in verse 6.  Sarah (Abraham's wife) was far from the silent submissive wife, but she accepted her husband's decisions like any good second-in-command should.  In fact, like any good second-in-command, the wife has the RESPONSIBILITY to let her husband know when he's making a mistake.

This passage does NOT authorize a wife to undermine her husband, to effectively castrate him in front of his family, to be a hothead, fiery-tempered, or rude.  It suggests that women do their job (as assigned by God), by being a gentle, quiet spirit.  Says nothing about being a doormat. It also demands that a husband's actions towards his wife be respectful and considerate (verse 7).  Says nothing about treating her like dirt.

AR-10's family works like mine.  My wife looks to me to make the final decisions (sometimes not gracefully, but I submit we all have that problem), and the fact that I understand she will do that makes me ask for her opinion and consider the effects of my decisions on her and her life.

Those who use this verse to treat their wives like property are beneath contempt, as are those who use this passage to say that Christianity expects women to be equivalent to slaves.  Neither group has bothered to read the entire passage, in context.
Link Posted: 12/25/2003 8:05:06 AM EDT
My supervisor always says, "My wife wears the pants in the family" and "My wife's the boss" - he had his own business and gave it up because his wife wanted him to before the business had a chance to take off...

I was at the shooting range yesterday afternoon and a nice 40-something man was trying to sell me his guns because his new wife wouldn't tolerate guns. He had a Winchester 1300 18" SG (wood-stocked), and Colt Mustang .380.  was really tempted to get the Mustang since he told me, just make me an offer - any amount as I can't go home with it. He was just there to shoot off his remaining ammo and sell the guns to the range which will completely rip him off.
I told him, just keep the Mustang, it is a sweet gun, and they don't make them anymore. I also told him, Tell your wife there is a lot of crime in Houston, and your family needs a gun in the house. He said, my wife is so stubborn there is no arguing with her AT ALL. Please, God I do not want a marriage like that.

Link Posted: 12/25/2003 11:25:34 PM EDT
As someone pointed out earlier- may you have to live with exactly what you asked for...
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