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Posted: 9/28/2004 10:11:55 AM EDT
[#1]
Depends on Dept.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 10:12:19 AM EDT
[#2]
Did he admit it, or did he fail the PG?
NEVER admit to ANYTHING. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 10:14:36 AM EDT
[#3]
Yes, he admitted it and failed Polygraph.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 10:16:08 AM EDT
[#4]
Huh, so he didn't drive drunk? 
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Posted: 9/28/2004 10:16:41 AM EDT
[#5]
So does that mean he was lying about having done it? 
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Posted: 9/28/2004 10:17:01 AM EDT
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Wave is right. It depends on the department. Be careful about "never admitting anything." If an agency places heavy reliance on the lie box, indications of deception can be disqualifying. You need to talk off the record to a friend on the department to see how to handle the question "Have you driven while under the influence" if it comes up.
ETA: There are agencies where a truthful admission of using pot or cocaine X times or X years ago is not disqualifying, while showing deception on those issues is disqualifying. You need to do some work behind the scenes. And get a prescription for valium. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 10:17:26 AM EDT
[#7]
DOH! Newbhunter beat me to it.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 10:18:46 AM EDT
[#8]
It came up in the PG and I guess he admitted to it then...
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Posted: 9/28/2004 10:19:43 AM EDT
[#9]
THe police officer I was talking with the other day told me that the answers to the Polygraph aren't really what his dept looks for, they just want to know if you will tell the truth.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 10:20:46 AM EDT
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is it true really nervous people usually come out unconclusive because they are so nervous just to be taking the test they can't get a good reading?
there are some sites that teach you how to beat the test sounds pretty easy |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 10:20:57 AM EDT
[#11]
My take is that I should be completely honest about everything and if they want me, they want me. I am not going to lie or be misleading to get a LEO job. That wouldn't say much about my character, in my opinion. I just need to know if I need to abandon thinking about it as a career or if it may still work out.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 10:21:01 AM EDT
[#12]
Depends. One thing that will definately disqualify you is LYING about it (not that was an issue in either story.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 10:22:28 AM EDT
[#13]
depends on what? |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 10:26:33 AM EDT
[#14]
IPD officer drunk driving
Check this article out. Happened about a week ago here in Indianapolis.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 10:29:23 AM EDT
[#15]
Just off the top of my head it can depend on: Number of times, knowledge of wrongdoing (decision making), ages at time of offense, and mitigating or aggrivating circumstances such as injuries or accidents.
If these were youthful indescretions, I think you would be okay. If they were patterns that follow you to this day, then there might be cause for not being considered. Then again, I am nooooooooooooooo psychologist (which is the guy that you really have to worry about!)  NorCal |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 10:30:13 AM EDT
[#16]
Some of the police officers around here are drink and drive everywhere, disobey everything...
because they're largely untouchable within their own fraternity. I know this because I've partied with a few. Sadly, cops are above the law. Your past shouldn't matter too much provided you don't have any outstanding warrants or a long list of felonies on record.  There are many exceptions to this of course, but there's also a great deal of truth. Awaiting the onslaught of holier than thou LEO's to light me on fire 
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Posted: 9/28/2004 10:35:00 AM EDT
[#17]
Makes sense...thanks! |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 10:36:42 AM EDT
[#18]
No, not arrests of any kind, worst thing I have are speeding tickets (couple of years ago).
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Posted: 9/28/2004 10:38:01 AM EDT
[#19]
www.antipolygraph.org
If you look at this site, you won't have to worry about any polygraph. www.antipolygraph.org |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 10:40:06 AM EDT
[#20]
If I have to lie, it's not the right job for me. I want to be completely honest about who I am and what I have done. I feel it's the right thing to do and essential for anyone who is a LEO... |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 10:41:53 AM EDT
[#21]
will having three girlfriends at once when I was younger disqualify me?
I never smoked mary jane or dui. I did get a ticket when I was 16. 
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Posted: 9/28/2004 10:57:16 AM EDT
[#22]
I agree. Sounds like you have your head on straight. Are you sure you really want to be a LEO? |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 11:02:32 AM EDT
[#23]
LOL, well, yeah... |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 11:06:00 AM EDT
[#24]
beating a polygraph test is simple. i beat one using the tack-in-the-shoe method. also, a test that doesn't include some kind of retinal observation is inherently unreliable. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 11:07:42 AM EDT
[#25]
to everyone that said yes it was a problem if recent, can you give me an idea what recent might be? last year? 2 years? 5?
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Posted: 9/28/2004 11:08:10 AM EDT
[#26]
WTF was the OLD policy?
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Posted: 9/28/2004 11:10:49 AM EDT
[#27]
I don't know, but the new policy will make vice/beverage investigations really interesting. "Sir, I'm arresting you for after-hours sale of alcohol. Walk with me to the bus stop." |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 12:53:25 PM EDT
[#28]
thought this would be a thread about ethics
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Posted: 9/28/2004 12:56:23 PM EDT
[#29]
Like what? Isn't driving after drinking an ethical question? |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 12:58:28 PM EDT
[#30]
just be honest, hopefully that will show them that you wouldn't do it again.
I don't know though. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 12:59:14 PM EDT
[#31]
It will vary from one agency to the next. I know of some who still have their jobs after being arrested for DUI, while others were terminated upon conviction.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 12:59:59 PM EDT
[#32]
+1 |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 1:01:46 PM EDT
[#33]
And I am not talking about a DUI, I have never had one, just driving after you have had too much to drink. Same thing, really, but I have no arrest record...
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Posted: 9/28/2004 1:09:02 PM EDT
[#34]
Most depts are looking for a pattern of behavior. How long ago? have you done it since? did you learn your lesson?
I was pulled over 10 years ago and blew a .0863. Would be a DUI now but back then the trooper told me to get some coffee at the next exit. I told all and let them decide. They told me it was no problem. As for being able to "beat" a poly, the poligrapher started our conversation with this little gem: "I've been doing this for 10 years. If you are willing to risk a potential 20 year career trying to beat me, go ahead." |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 1:14:38 PM EDT
[#35]
Used to do it more when I was younger. There was a time about 1-1.5 years ago that might have been over, but I am not sure. I did not feel unsafe, but I might have been over... |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 1:16:09 PM EDT
[#36]
And I have matured (I hope!) since then and have a new outlook on life and doing stupid things. I am now engaged to a woman with 2 kids. It changed the way I looked at things like that.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 1:16:45 PM EDT
[#37]
How old are you? 1 1/2 years ago is fairly recent... 
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Posted: 9/28/2004 1:17:37 PM EDT
[#38]
[aakbar] It's a trap!!!!!!![/aakbar] |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 1:19:57 PM EDT
[#39]
They will lie, attempt to deceive you, and attempt to coerce you during the polygraph. You may as well fight fire with fire.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 1:20:49 PM EDT
[#40]
Yes, but one I am happy about 
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Posted: 9/28/2004 1:29:31 PM EDT
[#41]
I don't see how any of this matters since what they really want to know is whether you can take a payoff and keep your mouth shut or not. I would think them having some dirt on you and being privy to some crime you committed would be useful in getting hired.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 1:31:18 PM EDT
[#42]
Now THAT is good info
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Posted: 9/28/2004 1:58:23 PM EDT
[#43]
Pardon me, it was a rather poor backhanded jibe "Thinking about being a cop, will this disqualify me? " "thought this would be a thread about ethics"  |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 2:02:07 PM EDT
[#44]
AHhh...sorry, I am slow
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Posted: 9/28/2004 2:03:14 PM EDT
[#45]
If you admitted to it less of a big deal than lying and getting caught...
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Posted: 9/28/2004 3:38:58 PM EDT
[#46]
We don't really place much importance on a polygraph. What we DO do is go over your questionnare with a microscope. (Last I looked the questionnare was somewhere around 30 pages. It is VERY intrusive)
Any pattern of alcohol irresponsibility is a BIG red flag. I personally have seen backgrounds get flushed because the applicant admits to consuming more than a 6-pack a week. Other things that'll get you dropped are: Financial irresponsibility. (Excessive debt, bankruptcy, lots of impulse purchases, etc.) Unstable personal relationships. (the girl a week guys, messy divorces, domestic disputes) Alcohol and drug use. It's still possible with Marijuana use in your teens, any hard drug gets you flushed regardless of the circumstances. ANY interaction with police other than as a witness or victim. Driving history. (We terminated a three year officer when we found out he had a previous citation for racing. Lies or omissions on a background will get you fired YEARS later.) We're also going to look at things such as guys that move a lot, start things like school but never finish, how you communicate with the background investigator, all sorts of that kind of thing. Then comes the REAL biggie, getting thru the Psych. We'll start with about 1500 applicants per class and pick 32. |
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Posted: 9/29/2004 9:40:52 AM EDT
[#47]
I was arrested 4 times for warrant speeding tickets in my teens. Is that an automatic DQ? |
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Posted: 9/30/2004 5:40:27 AM EDT
[#48]
4 times for Failure To Appear warrants? Yes. Keep in mind, you are going thru a VERY competitive selection process. Any little ding in your history can get you tossed. |
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Posted: 9/30/2004 5:49:18 AM EDT
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I've heard of many departments setting their standards of DUI history at 7 years. 7 years seems to be quite common in North Texas.
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Posted: 9/30/2004 5:51:56 AM EDT
[#50]
What sucks is, now that I am a productive, law abiding, conservative adult....my past will DQ me from ever getting a LE job. I have never done anything horrible...but sure, I have tried some things that were less than legal back in college....and got speeding tickets....and yes, I have driven after the bar (never got caught, but have done it).
From the sounds of it, I am basically screwed if I wanted to become LEO (which I seriously have considered lately - thought about State Police here in PA) I understand that they need to be selective...but its pretty bad that things I did as a stupid college kid have pretty much exempted me from ever having a police or .gov job. I wish they were concerned about what people are like TODAY...and not what they did as kids. |
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