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Posted: 8/24/2004 10:58:09 AM EST
The ban prohibits the manufacture, sale or possession of semi-automatic rifles, shotguns or pistols designed to maim and kill with a spray of bullets. But Physicians for Social Responsibility says the law has several loopholes and should be amended by:



• Changing the definition of assault weapon to include pistols, rifles and shotguns with a detachable magazine and thumbhole stocks or pistol grips.


• Regulating assault weapon frames and receivers to reduce the availability of gun parts that are easily assembled into deadlier weapons.


• Outlawing the importation, sale and use of high-capacity ammunition magazines, especially those that hold more than 10 rounds.

Link Posted: 8/24/2004 11:05:50 AM EST
MEDICALIZING GUNS

SNIP - "Many physicians fear and hate guns. They are part of a powerful international movement to medically eliminate weapons in America. Gun use in medical literature and in the media is described with medical metaphor. Not only is gun use compared to a disease, it is said to be a disease. Language of epidemiology describes it. Pediatricians, family practitioners, and public health physicians claim that guns are a public health menace. Physicians want to inoculate children against infection by violence. The doctors want to eradicate the pathogen and cure people of the contagion of guns. People who shoot guns are infected with a malady manifested in clinical signs of aggression and symptoms of gun violence. Guns are the toxin that destroys health and shortens life in inner cities. Urban morbidity and mortality are determined by infestation of these environments with handguns and predations of peddlers of cigarettes, illicit drugs, alcohol, and handguns. Guns cause outbreaks of the contagious disease of violence. Medical intervention must eradicate the disease-causing organisms, the guns. The political intention is a world-honoring, violence-free nation. The medical intention is a gun-free America. [ii] " - SNIP

I think Dr.'s should work on their skills more and quit being namby-pamby whores of a nanny state.

But that's just me.

Link Posted: 8/24/2004 11:06:00 AM EST
don't all pistols have pistol grips?
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 11:07:54 AM EST
if feinstein can't get the original ban to pass then why the hell do they think they can ban every pistol on the market?

have fun with that one.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 11:19:30 AM EST
doctors cause more accidental deaths than guns do - i cannot find the stat, but it's there.
mp
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 11:27:24 AM EST
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Link Posted: 8/24/2004 11:30:35 AM EST
Chock this up under "Reasons I don't like Doctors".

(Plus they poke me with stuff)

- BUCC_Guy
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 11:30:58 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 11:46:07 AM EST
Physicians are an interesting profession--nothing is better than a good one, and nothing is worse than a bad one.

GunLvr
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 12:45:20 PM EST

These doctors want to ban your Glock and 10 round magazines


And I want to practice medicine. I have the feeling that we would both be equally good at the others' specialty.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 12:49:44 PM EST
Doctors KILL more people than guns do.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 12:55:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD:
Physicians are an interesting profession--nothing is better than a good one, and nothing is worse than a bad one.

GunLvr



Especially since they cause more fatalities than firearms.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 1:01:38 PM EST

Originally Posted By GunLvrPHD:
Physicians are an interesting profession--nothing is better than a good one, and nothing is worse than a bad one.

GunLvr



You forgot about the midget hookers, didn't ya?
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 1:13:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By bulldog1967:

I think Dr.'s should work on their skills more and quit being namby-pamby whores of a nanny state.

But that's just me.





Me too
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 1:16:34 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/24/2004 1:18:44 PM EST by Bushrag]
It seems like they would favor the guns to give these doctors buisness, buisness equals money, etc...

ETA: These doctors are going to need physicians if anyone believes their gun policies...
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 1:19:11 PM EST
You guys are missing the big picture. These doctors are not just 'anti-gun', but they are socialists/communists. One of the docs I work with tries to increase profits by cutting the fat and making our clinic run more efficiently. But then he is thinking of voting for Kerry who is guaranteed to increase taxes. I should ask him 'Why the fuck do you want to increase profits and then piss it all away in taxes by voting for Kerry'. The 'doctors' behind trying to ban guns are the same ones that donate time and $$$ to Kerry's campaign and every socialist cause out there. They're the same fucked up misguided morons who belong to 'Doctor's Without Borders', giving care to people in other countries when they could just as well donate their time here in the USA. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the Che Guevara physician types that a .22LR couldn't solve.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 1:38:50 PM EST

Originally Posted By AILapua:


Especially since they cause more fatalities than firearms.



Medical Malpractice deaths per year average 98,000

Firearms related deaths 2001 29,573 AND Suicides typically make up 56.5% of all gun deaths according to the Bureau Of Justice Statistics. In fact, drugs and suicides account for more than 2 out of every 3 gun deaths in the USA.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 2:10:49 PM EST

Originally Posted By DeadSled:

Originally Posted By AILapua:
Especially since they cause more fatalities than firearms.



Medical Malpractice deaths per year average 98,000

Firearms related deaths 2001 29,573 AND Suicides typically make up 56.5% of all gun deaths according to the Bureau Of Justice Statistics. In fact, drugs and suicides account for more than 2 out of every 3 gun deaths in the USA.



Medication errors in hospitals cause 45,000~>90,000 deaths/year per a University of Colorado study with 2/3 of the incidents being directly attributable to doctor's illegible handwriting. That's 27,000 ~> 54,000 deaths/year because they are 'too busy' to type or use CPOE(computerized physician order entry). To use extremism well learned from the DU types, doctors kill a Viet Nam war worth of people every year.

wganz


P.S. In defense of a lot of good physicians that I work with, there are a significant % that are into social darwinism(if you are that stupid to use drugs and live as a criminal, then you need to go extinct). Don't judge all doctors by the actions of a few ijits just as ARFCommers shouldn't be judged by the impression people have of some of nut case militias.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 2:42:15 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/24/2004 2:46:53 PM EST by Alien]

Originally Posted By mppppp:
doctors cause more accidental deaths than guns do - i cannot find the stat, but it's there.
mp



Actually I think they cause more deaths than all gun related deaths put together (accidents, suicides, murder). WAY more.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 2:55:34 PM EST
When I was in medical school, I'd get into this debate all the time:
Lib med stud chick," What, You own A GUN?!?!?!"
Me: "Nope."
Lib med stud chick," You don't own A GUN?!?!?"
Me (big grin)," Nope...I own MANY, MANY GUNS!"


I'm amazed that a profession that demands empirical proof and double blinded studies before deciding on the most comfortable bathroom tissue will, without a shred of evidence, accept any crap spewed forth from the emotional morons. It is a total abandonment of science for emotion/politics and one of the many reasons I dropped my AMA membership.

Zack
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 3:08:40 PM EST
You are all missing the point!

If we reduce capacity to 9 rounds, then the "lil chirrens" will be 10% safer.

Do it for the "lil chirrens"
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 3:12:25 PM EST
It's crazy.

I work with at a research lab as a technologist with guy who has a PH.D in Physics and used to work for the Department of Energy on Nuclear Weapons. Bigtime supporter of the scientific method, very intellectual. I listen to him complain to another PH.D about taking a test online to asses his poltical leanings. He said" That damn test said I was conservative I AM A DAMN SOCIALIST". He is a big John Kerry supporter and anti gun too. It scares the hell out of me, this guy worked on nuke weapon research in the Cold War and he is a socialist.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 3:15:24 PM EST

Originally Posted By 1911greg:
if feinstein can't get the original ban to pass then why the hell do they think they can ban every pistol on the market?

have fun with that one.



+1

They ain't gettin shit through congress anytime soon. But pretty soon, they're gonna have to start worrying about what WE'RE going to pass. Just imagine these people wetting their pants when we pass PLCA.
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 3:53:44 PM EST
i ALWAYS have on some form of a gun t-shirt when i go to see my doc. when i first went to him a few years ago i said, hi, i'm maxwell. i'm pro life and a life member of the nra, you don't have a problem with that i'm sure. he didn't say squat.
be well
maxwell
Link Posted: 8/24/2004 4:03:46 PM EST
Where do they come up with this shit?
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