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The problem with a lot of these discussions is people confuse greatest with the best. And even more often confuse greatest with favorite. I like the Beretta 92. But it is not a game changer. It combined the operating system of the Walther P 38 with the high capacity and general layout of the browning hi power. It innovated nothing. It brought nothing new to the table. It certainly didn’t change pistol design. It follow in the footsteps of the Browning hi power, but just happened to incorporate the operating system of the Walther P 38. Same goes for the CZ 75. It’s an excellent pistol. Probably the best of the pre Glock pistols, but it was not a game changer. It didn’t spawn a whole generation of CZ 75 clones.  You could even say it’s just a really nice browning hi power with a different slide frame interface. I know that’s not exactly accurate but it’s not far off base either.

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My list does not include the Walther PP because it is a civilian/law enforcement only pistol not chambered for a full power around and it was an evolution airy dead end

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Cz 75 clones:
Jericho
EAA Witness
Tangfolio
Sphinx
Canucks
Sar
Ratnik
And a bunch more from all over the world.

The P35 was a revolutionary concept. But the mechanism sucks. I really wanted to like it.

I'm not sure the CZ goes on the top 3 list of great SA pistols either. It's probably close.

Give it 20 years and I bet the Alien will have made a mark. Considerable innovation.

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 I will agree it didn't "evolve" directly into anything else, but it cemented the role of the pocket pistol for generations to come.  

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Sorry, the Colt 1900 (still a JMB design), not the Browning 1900.

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Oh but it did.  PP spawned several successful copies from companies like SIG, Manuhurin, and Bersa, as well as the the Makarov and a crapload of variants from Combloc countries, including the CZ82/83, which is arguably the pinnacle of blowback handgun development.

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I'm not saying no one ever copy to CZ. But they are just that. Copies of the CZ. The Glock inspired a whole new generation of pistols. And virtually every pistol manufacturer has a pistol that follows the Glock template.

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Canucks

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Walther PP should be up there somewhere , first semi auto that introduced DA/SA  combined with a decocker. Beretta still uses the basic layout to this day.

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Speaking in reference to the USA the S&W 59.
It did a lot to legitimize the effectiveness of the double stack double action auto for combat/ defensive use.

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Number 4 is Beretta 92. Then it's Indian MIM 365.

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lol, rated as troll.

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It must be an interesting reality that you create for yourself. Everyone participating in this discussion finds a topic rather interesting whether they agree with me or not. Some people have taken issues with my list and other people have offered their own lists. There’s one person who has contributed nothing to the discussion except for stupidity and inane comments. That would be you. So if you are claiming that this is a troll post based on your participation, that’s a novel concept but I suppose it has merit. You do realize that you are under no obligation to participate in discussions at this forum, right?

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Just calling BS when I see it, and you're wearing those laced up troll shoes.

You can't even face the truth that Glock is a copy of something else. You won't even answer why no one calls all DA/SA a copy of the worlds first DA/SA because you knew it would hurt your narrative, even undermining it.

So ya, you're trolling.

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The Kel-Tec P11 preceded the P365 by a long time and is the same idea.

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No Taurus or HiPoint?
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CZ 75

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First of all, greatest does not necessarily mean best. Greatest means the design had a universal impact on all other designs that came after it.

1. Colt 1911. (Duh!) this is the easiest one of all. The culmination of the hodgepodge of first generation designs all stopped here. This pistol created the template for all semi auto combat pistols that came after it, and it is the only first generation combat pistol that is still even remotely viable today.

2. Browning Hi Power. This was the original wonder nine. It’s only real competition is the Walther P 38, which beat it into service, but lacked the high capacity that is a mandatory feature of any modern pistol. The Walther P 38 lives on in the Beretta pistols and clones, but other wonder nines that came after are simply product improved high powers. The template was a dual action/single action high-capacity 9 mm pistol, most often using the browning lock up.  Sure, the CZ 75 (for example) is an excellent pistol, probably even better than the high power, but it is just another wonder nine. It didn’t change pistol design the way the Browning hi power did.

3. Glock 17. It doesn’t matter how much you hate Glocks, you have to admit that pretty much every modern pistol is just a Glock 17 copy. This pistol changed pistol design to that extent. Any modern pistol is a polymer framed high-capacity striker fired compact pistol in the template of the Glock 17. Yes there were other pistols that came before that had polymer frames and strikers, but nothing caught on the way to Glock did. And certainly nothing influenced subsequent designs the way the Glock did. I personally believe that the CZ P10 series of pistols are better than Glocks and I prefer them. But they are Glock copies.  Even the Sig/Sauer P365XL that I have tucked in my waistband right now is a Glock copy.

Honorable mention. Sig/Sauer P365. It’s not really a combat pistol but it is a fighting pistol. It is a Glock copy, but it created a whole new class of firearm. The ultra compact high capacity semi auto concealed carry pistol. This is what all of the gun manufacturers are scrambling to come out with their version of. It doesn’t radically depart from the Glock template except that it is small and concealable while still being very shootable. I could’ve included it as number four rather than honorable mention, and would have had it not followed the Glock template so closely. (Plus I wouldn’t be able to say that I don’t own any of the pistols on this list if I made it number four.)

These are the three pistol designs that shifted the global template of pistol design. Nothing else even comes close from the standpoint of influencing future designs. It’s also just my opinion, but my opinion happens to be correct.

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First of all, greatest does not necessarily mean best. Greatest means the design had a universal impact on all other designs that came after it.

1. Colt 1911. (Duh!) this is the easiest one of all. The culmination of the hodgepodge of first generation designs all stopped here. This pistol created the template for all semi auto combat pistols that came after it, and it is the only first generation combat pistol that is still even remotely viable today.

2. Browning Hi Power. This was the original wonder nine. It’s only real competition is the Walther P 38, which beat it into service, but lacked the high capacity that is a mandatory feature of any modern pistol. The Walther P 38 lives on in the Beretta pistols and clones, but other wonder nines that came after are simply product improved high powers. The template was a dual action/single action high-capacity 9 mm pistol, most often using the browning lock up.  Sure, the CZ 75 (for example) is an excellent pistol, probably even better than the high power, but it is just another wonder nine. It didn’t change pistol design the way the Browning hi power did.

3. Glock 17. It doesn’t matter how much you hate Glocks, you have to admit that pretty much every modern pistol is just a Glock 17 copy. This pistol changed pistol design to that extent. Any modern pistol is a polymer framed high-capacity striker fired compact pistol in the template of the Glock 17. Yes there were other pistols that came before that had polymer frames and strikers, but nothing caught on the way to Glock did. And certainly nothing influenced subsequent designs the way the Glock did. I personally believe that the CZ P10 series of pistols are better than Glocks and I prefer them. But they are Glock copies.  Even the Sig/Sauer P365XL that I have tucked in my waistband right now is a Glock copy.

Honorable mention. Sig/Sauer P365. It’s not really a combat pistol but it is a fighting pistol. It is a Glock copy, but it created a whole new class of firearm. The ultra compact high capacity semi auto concealed carry pistol. This is what all of the gun manufacturers are scrambling to come out with their version of. It doesn’t radically depart from the Glock template except that it is small and concealable while still being very shootable. I could’ve included it as number four rather than honorable mention, and would have had it not followed the Glock template so closely. (Plus I wouldn’t be able to say that I don’t own any of the pistols on this list if I made it number four.)

These are the three pistol designs that shifted the global template of pistol design. Nothing else even comes close from the standpoint of influencing future designs. It’s also just my opinion, but my opinion happens to be correct.

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This thread needs more HK P7

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Like I said, dozens of people have contributed to this discussion and likely will continue. It’s an interesting topic. One of the most recent posts described very articulately how certain models make game changing innovations and then there are smaller incremental steps from that design until the next game changer. That’s all I’m doing. I’m trying to have an adult discussion with people who have interests similar to mine. I typically learn a lot from other people who know more about this topic than I do. And then there’s one person who is contributing nothing but personal attack and trying to pick a fight over nothing. That would be you. You know, the guy who’s calling me a troll?

Anyway, you’ve made your point. You obviously have some kind of beef with me based on a prior post in a different thread. I don’t think you have any more to add so it would be nice if you would just leave this thread to the people who actually want to talk about this topic.

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Since I'm limited to the 3 most influential on future designs:

1911 so much innovation used on the majority of pistols issued today.  Can't possibly argue against this one.

Hi Power - Not too much innovation here except for the big magazine.

CZ-75 - Nothing more than an updated Hi Power.  Where's the innovation for future pistols?

Glock - Nothing more than a cleverly arranged amalgamation of previous designs.  Everything about the Glock was done before Glock did it.

Add #2 to the list:

P-38 - The first SA/DA and a new locking system other than the Browning system that was actually used in future designs.

#3 is a little more difficult:

HK VP70 - for polymer and striker fired but if we want to go with the first striker fired pistol we come back to JMB and the FN1910.  I'm willing to entertain other innovative diesigns...

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So:
1 Browning
2 Browning improved
3 Browning modernized improved

Kinda limited.  Sure, they're great pistols, with a great design, and the vast majority of locked breach semiauto pistols are of this Browning design, but it's only one design, really.  Another poster listed the P7, a masterpiece, but esoteric.  There are rotary breech pistols out there, Steyr GB I believe, and of course the Deagle. There are some great designs out there, not hugely successful in sales, but still great designs.