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Posted: 12/20/2012 8:41:05 PM EDT
What makes ANYONE think they have the right to try and dictate what someone else asks for something they own and are selling? Jeez, you'd think a significant portion of this site was part of the Russian Proletariat and it's their right to toss others in the Gulag if the price isn't in keeping with their wants.

It's pretty damn sad when I read [elsewhere on this site] someone telling other ARFcommers to diss a good member here who is SELLING STUFF ELSEWHERE on the web because he is asking to much for his goods. It's disgusting behavior and I just put them down to the "whale shit" level.

You are not owed SHIT as far as what you want at the price you want to pay. Prices are high right now and I can't blame anyone for asking what the going market price is. I wouldn't sell cheap either and I daresay even those bitching would do the same exact thing they are bitching about if they had high demand goods they were selling.

One person here really owes someone an apology for shitting on them here on ARFcom because of stuff they were selling elsewhere.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 8:43:54 PM EDT
Ehhh....you can do whatever you want with your goods....now is it necessarily ethical?..that is an entirely different question..
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 8:45:39 PM EDT
Ethics? Not really-at least not here. It's not like they are leaving a battle front and taking thier shit with them. It is free trade.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 8:47:44 PM EDT
It would only be unethical if you used force to make people purchase your items for sale at a very high prices. Otherwise there is nothing wrong with getting what someone is willing to pay for something.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 8:48:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2012 8:57:21 PM EDT by BakerMike]
Originally Posted By seanvi:
Ehhh....you can do whatever you want with your goods....now is it necessarily ethical?..that is an entirely different question..


I wasn't aware of an ethical obligation on my part to pass up arbitrage opportunities, or to hand over my goods for less than the consumer is willing to pay, or to forego profits because other people chose not to stock the goods sorely in need of which they now find themselves.

Please, explain to me in careful detail when I incurred this debt that means I now owe other people my reduced profits.

Actually, why don't you just go ahead and tell me what an ethical profit margin is? How will you calculate this margin? What factors go into determining the amount of margin that is ethical?

-- Say, how about you tell me at what profit margin it becomes unethical for people to sell other things that lots of people end up wanting? How about when there's sudden interest in a stock? How about when there's sudden interest in gold? How about land, or steel, or friggin' beanie babies?
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 8:48:52 PM EDT
All I've seen is people bitching about high prices. An integral part of a free economy and it's only regulator. Socialists would be calling for the government to order price controls. Perhaps you should try reading a book or at least a wiki page.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 8:49:31 PM EDT
Cool, how far do you want to take your rant?? How about meds?? Insulin for diabetics, heart medications etc.? How about food, all food goes up 100%. How about $10.00/gallon gas??
You are correct, we are not owed shit. Just want to see if you are for the drug companies, farmers, oil companies etc. to have the same mindset? If you had a medical condition or a diabetic child, I guess you would be down with a 300% increase in meds cause you're not owed shit.
I am FAR from a socialist but I can't stand people who gouge and will remember those that do and not do business with them...... ever.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 8:49:33 PM EDT
BUY MY $200 P MAG YOU COMMIE!
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 8:50:20 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2012 8:55:01 PM EDT by BakerMike]
Originally Posted By scottedward58:
All I've seen is people bitching about high prices.


People carp like charging $30 for something that used to cost $15 makes you some kind of subhuman rat.

Originally Posted By Dipper:
Cool, how far do you want to take your rant??
All the way. By what right do you dictate how other people dispose of their goods? Who the hell are you to tell someone who owns something under what conditions they may give it up?
How about meds?? Insulin for diabetics, heart medications etc.?
If the people who held those medications had never purchased them so that they could sell them at a profit, and the manufacturers hadn't sought to manufacture them for the profit, all the diabetics would be dead anyway.
How about food, all food goes up 100%. How about $10.00/gallon gas??
I'd say that that'd be a pretty strong incentive to get into the food or gas businesses. Why do people who own food or gas owe it to you to exchange it only for prices you personally find pleasant?
You are correct, we are not owed shit. Just want to see if you are for the drug companies, farmers, oil companies etc. to have the same mindset?
Yes.
If you had a medical condition or a diabetic child, I guess you would be down with a 300% increase in meds cause you're not owed shit.
I'm sure someone in danger of dying (or in danger of their child dying) because they couldn't afford things might turn to violence. That's an explanation, not an excuse, for being a thief and a looter. Having the cops or other agents of the government do your looting for you doesn't make it not looting. You have no right to the belongings of others, even if the fact that those things belong to others (and not to you) causes you or someone you love to die.
I am FAR from a socialist but I can't stand people who gouge and will remember those that do and not do business with them...... ever.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 8:50:26 PM EDT
Originally Posted By MTNmyMag:
It would only be unethical if you used force to make people purchase your items for sale at a very high prices. Otherwise there is nothing wrong with getting what someone is willing to pay for something.


Yep.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 8:50:57 PM EDT
Between the recent behavior and the post election tantrums, I've lost a lot of respect for the community.


Link Posted: 12/20/2012 8:51:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By defenderhome:
Ethics? Not really-at least not here. It's not like they are leaving a battle front and taking thier shit with them. It is free trade.


What I meant by that is that you know there are people, a lot of people it seems, driving up the cost of mags artificially. AKA buying massive amounts of mags to deny them to other people in an effort to drive up the price. You know it's happening, or shill bidding etc. Like I said, I believe in free markets and people can do as they please with their goods but I do believe ethics come into play at some point depending on what you are doing.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 8:51:36 PM EDT
Originally Posted By DanTSX:
BUY MY $200 P MAG YOU COMMIE!


Make me.................
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 8:52:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By seanvi:
Ehhh....you can do whatever you want with your goods....now is it necessarily ethical?..that is an entirely different question..

Ethical? You mean asking for a certain amount for something is unethical? Or does it only become unethical when someone agrees to pay that amount?
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 8:52:18 PM EDT

Originally Posted By MTNmyMag:
It would only be unethical if you used force to make people purchase your items for sale at a very high prices. Otherwise there is nothing wrong with getting what someone is willing to pay for something.

Yup. I'm as shocked as anyone at the prices, but if that's what they're paying.

I might be willing to sell some of my stuff too.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 8:53:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Lovelessk999:
Between the recent behavior and the post election tantrums, I've lost a lot of respect for the community.




feel free to leave at anytime
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 8:54:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By seanvi:
Originally Posted By defenderhome:
Ethics? Not really-at least not here. It's not like they are leaving a battle front and taking thier shit with them. It is free trade.


What I meant by that is that you know there are people, a lot of people it seems, driving up the cost of mags artificially. AKA buying massive amounts of mags to deny them to other people in an effort to drive up the price. You know it's happening, or shill bidding etc. Like I said, I believe in free markets and people can do as they please with their goods but I do believe ethics come into play at some point depending on what you are doing.


Raising prices is the best way to spread a high demand product around to the most people. Keeping prices low in a time of high demand means some will buy far more then they need and cause others to not be able to buy any at all. Which is more ethical in the long run?
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 8:54:59 PM EDT
OP, I agree. It's pretty bad when a bunch of "conservatives" bitch about the market dictating the price.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 8:58:03 PM EDT
Just because people whine about high prices, it does not make them socialists or communists.

Mainly they are pissed because they didn't horde and can't turn a quick buck themselves. Well it's true.....
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 8:58:05 PM EDT
Good! Good, freedom of speech. Now you get the swing of it. Feels good to exercise your rights, doesn't it?
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 9:00:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2012 9:02:12 PM EDT by fxntime]
Originally Posted By OilyPablo:
Just because people whine about high prices, it does not make them socialists or communists.

Mainly they are pissed because they didn't horde and can't turn a quick buck themselves. Well it's true.....


It does when they post telling others to shun this particular person who is in good standing on this site and has contributed lots of good info for selling elsewhere at a price they feel is high. That put them into ASSHOLE status for me.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 9:01:30 PM EDT
Originally Posted By GrasshopperNOmore:
OP, I agree. It's pretty bad when a bunch of "conservatives" bitch about the market dictating the price.


That bitching and the inevitable people refusing to pay the high prices is an integral part of a free market. If no one bitched and refused to pay high prices it would lead to run away prices.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 9:02:29 PM EDT
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Originally Posted By seanvi:
Originally Posted By defenderhome:
Ethics? Not really-at least not here. It's not like they are leaving a battle front and taking thier shit with them. It is free trade.


What I meant by that is that you know there are people, a lot of people it seems, driving up the cost of mags artificially. AKA buying massive amounts of mags to deny them to other people in an effort to drive up the price. You know it's happening, or shill bidding etc. Like I said, I believe in free markets and people can do as they please with their goods but I do believe ethics come into play at some point depending on what you are doing.


Raising prices is the best way to spread a high demand product around to the most wealthypeople. Keeping prices low in a time of high demand means some will buy far more then they need and cause others to not be able to buy any at all. Which is more ethical in the long run?


And people have already bought way more than they need, there is a limited supply and you literally cannot find them for a reasonable price anywhere now. Like I said do what you want, it doesn't change the fact its a dick move to buy every single mag in a store in an effort to jack up the price on everyone else.

Link Posted: 12/20/2012 9:02:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By scottedward58:
Originally Posted By GrasshopperNOmore:
OP, I agree. It's pretty bad when a bunch of "conservatives" bitch about the market dictating the price.


That bitching and the inevitable people refusing to pay the high prices is an integral part of a free market. If no one bitched and refused to pay high prices it would lead to run away prices.


If no one bought, prices would drop. Nothing else is usually needed.

Link Posted: 12/20/2012 9:03:34 PM EDT
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Originally Posted By OilyPablo:
Just because people whine about high prices, it does not make them socialists or communists.

Mainly they are pissed because they didn't horde and can't turn a quick buck themselves. Well it's true.....


It does when they post telling others to shun this particular person who is in good standing on this site and has contributed lots of good info for selling elsewhere at a price they feel is high. That put them into ASSHOLE status for me.


True that. As in they should make laws against making a profit. Yeah that'll work.

Link Posted: 12/20/2012 9:05:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Originally Posted By scottedward58:
Originally Posted By GrasshopperNOmore:
OP, I agree. It's pretty bad when a bunch of "conservatives" bitch about the market dictating the price.


That bitching and the inevitable people refusing to pay the high prices is an integral part of a free market. If no one bitched and refused to pay high prices it would lead to run away prices.


If no one bought, prices would drop. Nothing else is usually needed.



Exactly. People are willing to pay $50+ for a pmag. It's not unethical to charge that much.

Link Posted: 12/20/2012 9:06:26 PM EDT
Lots of Fudds have shown their faces the past week as well.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 9:06:56 PM EDT
True capitalism = no morals.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 9:08:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By seanvi:
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Originally Posted By seanvi:
Originally Posted By defenderhome:
Ethics? Not really-at least not here. It's not like they are leaving a battle front and taking thier shit with them. It is free trade.


What I meant by that is that you know there are people, a lot of people it seems, driving up the cost of mags artificially. AKA buying massive amounts of mags to deny them to other people in an effort to drive up the price. You know it's happening, or shill bidding etc. Like I said, I believe in free markets and people can do as they please with their goods but I do believe ethics come into play at some point depending on what you are doing.


Raising prices is the best way to spread a high demand product around to the most wealthypeople. Keeping prices low in a time of high demand means some will buy far more then they need and cause others to not be able to buy any at all. Which is more ethical in the long run?


And people have already bought way more than they need, there is a limited supply and you literally cannot find them for a reasonable price anywhere now. Like I said do what you want, it doesn't change the fact its a dick move to buy every single mag in a store in an effort to jack up the price on everyone else.



In other words, you failed to stockpile and now blame the sellers for adapting to market conditions, and buyers for, well, fuck buyers.

Link Posted: 12/20/2012 9:08:56 PM EDT
I will say this. Alot of the Wal-Mart commandos that rushed out and bought every 6920 WM had in stock, just to sell them online for $2-3k are guilty of one thing. Engaging in the firearms buisness without a FFL. Thats not selling private collections. Thats buying with intent of selling for profit.

Just sayin.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 9:11:03 PM EDT
**peaks at almost a full case of mags NIW**

Nah. I'm not one to take advantage, although maybe I should. Then again. Will I be able to replensish what I already own, also at what cost? The juice has got to be a lot better before I make that squeeze.

Hell, I posted in a couple threads that I'd pick up shit for members here because their local places are dried up.

No takers yet. Also I'm not looking to make anything out of the deal. Just help a guy out.

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Link Posted: 12/20/2012 9:17:17 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By seanvi:
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Originally Posted By seanvi:
Originally Posted By defenderhome:
Ethics? Not really-at least not here. It's not like they are leaving a battle front and taking thier shit with them. It is free trade.


What I meant by that is that you know there are people, a lot of people it seems, driving up the cost of mags artificially. AKA buying massive amounts of mags to deny them to other people in an effort to drive up the price. You know it's happening, or shill bidding etc. Like I said, I believe in free markets and people can do as they please with their goods but I do believe ethics come into play at some point depending on what you are doing.


Raising prices is the best way to spread a high demand product around to the most wealthypeople. Keeping prices low in a time of high demand means some will buy far more then they need and cause others to not be able to buy any at all. Which is more ethical in the long run?


And people have already bought way more than they need, there is a limited supply and you literally cannot find them for a reasonable price anywhere now. Like I said do what you want, it doesn't change the fact its a dick move to buy every single mag in a store in an effort to jack up the price on everyone else.



In other words, you failed to stockpile and now blame the sellers for adapting to market conditions, and buyers for, well, fuck buyers.



Like others already you have addressed the economics of the issue but failed to grasp that some things that are economically beneficial to you might not be very ethical.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 9:18:08 PM EDT
Seems like if all they are doing is bitching then they are exercising their right to say whatever the fck they want. What is it called when you want someone to shut up because you don't like what they're saying?
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 9:18:23 PM EDT
Originally Posted By BakerMike:
Originally Posted By scottedward58:
All I've seen is people bitching about high prices.


People carp like charging $30 for something that used to cost $15 makes you some kind of subhuman rat.

Originally Posted By Dipper:
Cool, how far do you want to take your rant??
All the way. By what right do you dictate how other people dispose of their goods? Who the hell are you to tell someone who owns something under what conditions they may give it up?
How about meds?? Insulin for diabetics, heart medications etc.?
If the people who held those medications had never purchased them so that they could sell them at a profit, and the manufacturers hadn't sought to manufacture them for the profit, all the diabetics would be dead anyway.
How about food, all food goes up 100%. How about $10.00/gallon gas??
I'd say that that'd be a pretty strong incentive to get into the food or gas businesses. Why do people who own food or gas owe it to you to exchange it only for prices you personally find pleasant?
You are correct, we are not owed shit. Just want to see if you are for the drug companies, farmers, oil companies etc. to have the same mindset?
Yes.
If you had a medical condition or a diabetic child, I guess you would be down with a 300% increase in meds cause you're not owed shit.
I'm sure someone in danger of dying (or in danger of their child dying) because they couldn't afford things might turn to violence. That's an explanation, not an excuse, for being a thief and a looter. Having the cops or other agents of the government do your looting for you doesn't make it not looting. You have no right to the belongings of others, even if the fact that those things belong to others (and not to you) causes you or someone you love to die.
I am FAR from a socialist but I can't stand people who gouge and will remember those that do and not do business with them...... ever.



Just wanted to see how far everyone would take this.... BUT, I have a hard time believing you or anyone else would not bitch if meds, food, gasoline, natural gas, etc. went up 300% in one week...... cause, it's true, we are not owed shit.
It's easy to support gouging when your healthy, warm, well fed, etc. and have what you need..... miss a few meals, have a sick child, spend a week with no heat, and then come back and tell us how you support the pharm industry, fuel suppliers etc.
If you and everyone else were honest, you would admit you would be bitching your asses off.
I don't need to buy anything at this time and don't need to pay the high prices but like I said, I will remember ( as many as I can ) those that are taking this chance to gouge fellow shooters.


Link Posted: 12/20/2012 9:18:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By seanvi:
[q

And people have already bought way more than they need, there is a limited supply and you literally cannot find them for a reasonable price anywhere now. Like I said do what you want, it doesn't change the fact its a dick move to buy every single mag in a store in an effort to jack up the price on everyone else.



...more than they need... That's a scary road to go down,

So, how many magazines do I need? Can you give me a number? Is there some kind of committee that determines the number?






Right now if I absolutely needed a Pmag (let's say it's a life or death issue), I could buy one from a vender, I may have to pay $100 maybe even $200 for it but I could find one in stock somewhere, if every vender was still selling them for $12 there wouldn't be any available for someone that really needed one... funny how that works.



Link Posted: 12/20/2012 9:20:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Lovelessk999:
Between the recent behavior and the post election tantrums, I've lost a lot of respect for the community.


Yep, folks are lashing out at everything like wounded rats. It's been pretty pathetic.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 9:20:47 PM EDT
I just don't understand how people get their panties in a knot about the poor old seller. It's big boy rules; you're free to ask as much as you want for your shit and I'm free to say you're an asshole for price gouging and not buy it. If others want to listen to me and not buy it or listen to the seller and buy it that's their choice. It's a free country; just because someone wants to express their feelings about the value of an item by setting a price doesn't somehow make me wrong for expressing that I feel they're wrong and opportunistic. I don't worship at some sacrosanct holy alter of business.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 9:20:58 PM EDT
I agree.

People need to retake economics. P-Mags are not an essential survival item to "gouge" on and the forces of economics are still at work.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 9:21:02 PM EDT


Originally Posted By seanvi:


Like others already you have addressed the economics of the issue but failed to grasp that some things that are economically beneficial to you might not be very ethical.



So you find capitalism to be unethical?


Interesting.

Link Posted: 12/20/2012 9:21:22 PM EDT

Originally Posted By seanvi:
Originally Posted By Tomislav:
Originally Posted By seanvi:
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Originally Posted By seanvi:
Originally Posted By defenderhome:
Ethics? Not really-at least not here. It's not like they are leaving a battle front and taking thier shit with them. It is free trade.
What I meant by that is that you know there are people, a lot of people it seems, driving up the cost of mags artificially. AKA buying massive amounts of mags to deny them to other people in an effort to drive up the price. You know it's happening, or shill bidding etc. Like I said, I believe in free markets and people can do as they please with their goods but I do believe ethics come into play at some point depending on what you are doing.
Raising prices is the best way to spread a high demand product around to the most wealthypeople. Keeping prices low in a time of high demand means some will buy far more then they need and cause others to not be able to buy any at all. Which is more ethical in the long run?
And people have already bought way more than they need, there is a limited supply and you literally cannot find them for a reasonable price anywhere now. Like I said do what you want, it doesn't change the fact its a dick move to buy every single mag in a store in an effort to jack up the price on everyone else.
In other words, you failed to stockpile and now blame the sellers for adapting to market conditions, and buyers for, well, fuck buyers.
Like others already you have addressed the economics of the issue but failed to grasp that some things that are economically beneficial to you might not be very ethical.

Like you are failing to grasp that some things that aren't economically beneficial to you might be ethical.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 9:23:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Originally Posted By seanvi:
Originally Posted By defenderhome:
Ethics? Not really-at least not here. It's not like they are leaving a battle front and taking thier shit with them. It is free trade.


What I meant by that is that you know there are people, a lot of people it seems, driving up the cost of mags artificially. AKA buying massive amounts of mags to deny them to other people in an effort to drive up the price. You know it's happening, or shill bidding etc. Like I said, I believe in free markets and people can do as they please with their goods but I do believe ethics come into play at some point depending on what you are doing.


Raising prices is the best way to spread a high demand product around to the most people. Keeping prices low in a time of high demand means some will buy far more then they need and cause others to not be able to buy any at all. Which is more ethical in the long run?


Agreed. I told two friends in as many days that they need to buy mags RFN. They had an "I'll get around to it" attitude even after I told them what Monday was like with online sales. If they decide to buy a month from now, would they be better off with NO mags left in stock, or still have the opportunity to buy?
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 9:24:28 PM EDT
So, all of a sudden, there isn't anything to buy, it's not fair to those who all of a sudden want to exercise their 2a right, can't get what they want and then bitch about others that have been doing it for a while and won't share their shit?

Where does ethics play into that?
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 9:25:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By seanvi:
Ehhh....you can do whatever you want with your goods....now is it necessarily ethical?..that is an entirely different question..


What does ethics have to do with it? Just because you may not like something doesn't make it unethical in the slightest.


The whiners should have stocked up long ago.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 9:25:07 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Dipper:
Originally Posted By BakerMike:
Originally Posted By scottedward58:
All I've seen is people bitching about high prices.


People carp like charging $30 for something that used to cost $15 makes you some kind of subhuman rat.

Originally Posted By Dipper:
Cool, how far do you want to take your rant??
All the way. By what right do you dictate how other people dispose of their goods? Who the hell are you to tell someone who owns something under what conditions they may give it up?
How about meds?? Insulin for diabetics, heart medications etc.?
If the people who held those medications had never purchased them so that they could sell them at a profit, and the manufacturers hadn't sought to manufacture them for the profit, all the diabetics would be dead anyway.
How about food, all food goes up 100%. How about $10.00/gallon gas??
I'd say that that'd be a pretty strong incentive to get into the food or gas businesses. Why do people who own food or gas owe it to you to exchange it only for prices you personally find pleasant?
You are correct, we are not owed shit. Just want to see if you are for the drug companies, farmers, oil companies etc. to have the same mindset?
Yes.
If you had a medical condition or a diabetic child, I guess you would be down with a 300% increase in meds cause you're not owed shit.
I'm sure someone in danger of dying (or in danger of their child dying) because they couldn't afford things might turn to violence. That's an explanation, not an excuse, for being a thief and a looter. Having the cops or other agents of the government do your looting for you doesn't make it not looting. You have no right to the belongings of others, even if the fact that those things belong to others (and not to you) causes you or someone you love to die.
I am FAR from a socialist but I can't stand people who gouge and will remember those that do and not do business with them...... ever.



Just wanted to see how far everyone would take this.... BUT, I have a hard time believing you or anyone else would not bitch if meds, food, gasoline, natural gas, etc. went up 300% in one week...... cause, it's true, we are not owed shit.
It's easy to support gouging when your healthy, warm, well fed, etc. and have what you need..... miss a few meals, have a sick child, spend a week with no heat, and then come back and tell us how you support the pharm industry, fuel suppliers etc.
If you and everyone else were honest, you would admit you would be bitching your asses off.
I don't need to buy anything at this time and don't need to pay the high prices but like I said, I will remember ( as many as I can ) those that are taking this chance to gouge fellow shooters.

I'll remember that you think that it is better to try to force prices to what you think they should be. Whether or not I bitch about high (to me) prices, I will never advocate the use of force to set prices.

Thanks.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 9:25:26 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Seabee_Mech:
Originally Posted By seanvi:
[q

And people have already bought way more than they need, there is a limited supply and you literally cannot find them for a reasonable price anywhere now. Like I said do what you want, it doesn't change the fact its a dick move to buy every single mag in a store in an effort to jack up the price on everyone else.



...more than they need... That's a scary road to go down,

So, how many magazines do I need? Can you give me a number? Is there some kind of committee that determines the number?






Right now if I absolutely needed a Pmag (let's say it's a life or death issue), I could buy one from a vender, I may have to pay $100 maybe even $200 for it but I could find one in stock somewhere, if every vender was still selling them for $12 there wouldn't be any available for someone that really needed one... funny how that works.





Look I'm not advocating anyone control how many mags you can have but realistically just between you and me , and anyone being intellectually honest, nobody needs 1000s of NIW mags for one person. It wouldn't even bother me if it was just for someones personal use but people bought 1000s of mags right after the shooting in CT ,not for personal use, but in an effort to fuck other people out of them so they could make money off them.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 9:26:05 PM EDT
Originally Posted By xwarp:
True capitalism = no morals.




Not even close.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 9:26:43 PM EDT
I don't think any of the big 3: democracy, communism and socialism can stand alone. None are perfect. Railing against any of them too passionately looks more like fear than intellectualism.
Link Posted: 12/20/2012 9:27:25 PM EDT
Originally Posted By seanvi:
Originally Posted By Seabee_Mech:
Originally Posted By seanvi:
[q

And people have already bought way more than they need, there is a limited supply and you literally cannot find them for a reasonable price anywhere now. Like I said do what you want, it doesn't change the fact its a dick move to buy every single mag in a store in an effort to jack up the price on everyone else.



...more than they need... That's a scary road to go down,

So, how many magazines do I need? Can you give me a number? Is there some kind of committee that determines the number?






Right now if I absolutely needed a Pmag (let's say it's a life or death issue), I could buy one from a vender, I may have to pay $100 maybe even $200 for it but I could find one in stock somewhere, if every vender was still selling them for $12 there wouldn't be any available for someone that really needed one... funny how that works.





Look I'm not advocating anyone control how many mags you can have but realistically just between you and me , and anyone being intellectually honest, nobody needs 1000s of NIW mags for one person. It wouldn't even bother me if it was just for someones personal use but people bought 1000s of mags right after the shooting in CT ,not for personal use, but in an effort to fuck other people out of them so they could make money off them.


So what?

Link Posted: 12/20/2012 9:27:48 PM EDT
Originally Posted By xwarp:
So, all of a sudden, there isn't anything to buy, it's not fair to those who all of a sudden want to exercise their 2a right, can't get what they want and then bitch about others that have been doing it for a while and won't share their shit?

Where does ethics play into that?


Funny thing is, there IS still stuff to buy BECAUSE of the high prices. Now if you already own some and have no need of any more, you won't be buying, if you have none, you may buy a couple at the higher prices but leave the rest for others in the same boat. That sounds pretty damn ethical to me.

Link Posted: 12/20/2012 9:28:22 PM EDT
Originally Posted By seanvi:
Originally Posted By Tomislav:

Originally Posted By seanvi:
Originally Posted By fxntime:
Originally Posted By seanvi:
Originally Posted By defenderhome:
Ethics? Not really-at least not here. It's not like they are leaving a battle front and taking thier shit with them. It is free trade.


What I meant by that is that you know there are people, a lot of people it seems, driving up the cost of mags artificially. AKA buying massive amounts of mags to deny them to other people in an effort to drive up the price. You know it's happening, or shill bidding etc. Like I said, I believe in free markets and people can do as they please with their goods but I do believe ethics come into play at some point depending on what you are doing.


Raising prices is the best way to spread a high demand product around to the most wealthypeople. Keeping prices low in a time of high demand means some will buy far more then they need and cause others to not be able to buy any at all. Which is more ethical in the long run?


And people have already bought way more than they need, there is a limited supply and you literally cannot find them for a reasonable price anywhere now. Like I said do what you want, it doesn't change the fact its a dick move to buy every single mag in a store in an effort to jack up the price on everyone else.



In other words, you failed to stockpile and now blame the sellers for adapting to market conditions, and buyers for, well, fuck buyers.



Like others already you have addressed the economics of the issue but failed to grasp that some things that are economically beneficial to you might not be very ethical.


I have a case of pmags and no rifles that use them. Should I sell them for what I paid, or should I hold on to them?

(Hypothetical)

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Link Posted: 12/20/2012 9:29:14 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Tomislav:


Originally Posted By seanvi:


Like others already you have addressed the economics of the issue but failed to grasp that some things that are economically beneficial to you might not be very ethical.



So you find capitalism to be unethical?


Interesting.



It could be. If I have medicine that will cure a dieing man but he cannot pay the price I am asking and I let him die anywas, according to how I was raised, that would be unethical. YMMV. Like I said I'm not advocating government control such things but lests be realistic here.
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