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Posted: 9/4/2004 1:57:53 AM EDT
Mikhail Timofeevich Kalashnikov & Eugene Stoner…

The two best designers with the two best rifles……

Got an AR-15… an AK-74 would be nice!



Andy
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 1:58:45 AM EDT
Its so beautiful.
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 2:00:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By WI_Rifleman:
Its so beautiful.



Look at the smiles on their faces… like two proud fathers with their 'sons' that made good.
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 2:05:46 AM EDT
Although he was not a rifle designer alone, I think I'd have to add John Browning to this list. He created some marvelous weapons, from machine guns to handguns.
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 2:13:44 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2004 2:14:13 AM EDT by MoparMike]

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
Although he was not a rifle designer alone, I think I'd have to add John Browning to this list. He created some marvelous weapons, from machine guns to handguns.



+1
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 2:42:21 AM EDT
I see Micky's medals but where are Gene's? Oh yeah, he got money instead. Capitalism rules!
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 2:43:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2004 2:47:51 AM EDT by benbob]
Uziel Gal
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 2:46:37 AM EDT
Well,you got 1 right.
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 3:26:38 AM EDT
Kalashnikov & Browning for the designs and spinoff items that come from thier inventions
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 3:27:30 AM EDT
Vulcan Arms and the guy that made the Mig-22
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 3:55:23 AM EDT
John Browning and Kalashnikov
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 3:58:29 AM EDT
Browning was good, but theres no photo op.
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 4:02:30 AM EDT
Ya'll forgot Paul Mauser.
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 4:26:56 AM EDT

Originally Posted By smokycity:
Ya'll forgot Paul Mauser.


Couldn't see using all my votes on the Mauser brothers but they do deserve alot of credit
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 4:30:04 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 4:32:31 AM EDT
All great choices IMHO. Btw, was it Maxim who "invented" using cartridge gasses to reload a gun? If it was, I'd put him above all the above. I know he perfected the first machine gun and assume he discovered the gas loading principle. However, I've read that Browning invented this principle?
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 7:50:21 AM EDT
The guy who designed the FN FAL, Dieudonne Saive
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 8:03:46 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2004 8:03:59 AM EDT by Max_Mike]
The question was the two best rifle designers in the World?

The answer is: Mauser and Kalashnikov.


If the question is who was the best firearms designer who ever lived.

The answer is: John Browning without a question.


If the question is who is the most important firearms designer who ever lived.

The answer is: Hiram Maxim.
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 8:05:02 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 8:19:16 AM EDT
Those two are not even on the list:

1- Oaul Mouser
2- John Browning
3- John Garand
4- Hugo Schmeisser (designer of the Stg 44?)
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 8:22:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
Although he was not a rifle designer alone, I think I'd have to add John Browning to this list. He created some marvelous weapons, from machine guns to handguns.



+1,000,000,000

John Moses Browning was much like Moses... Moses gave us the 10 Commandments. Browning gave us the Hi-Power, BAR, and 1911.
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 8:23:22 AM EDT

Originally Posted By GreyGhost:
Well,you got 1 right.



Well, which one? Don't tell someone they got something half right and not give the "correct" answer.
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 8:23:44 AM EDT
I like the guy who designed the G-11, because it seemed like such a leap forward at the time, even if it ended up failing
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 8:23:44 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 8:30:36 AM EDT
John Browning. Remember that both Kalashnikov and Stoner benefitted from his earlier designs.
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 8:31:43 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 8:39:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DirtyDan:
Kalashnikov & Browning for the designs and spinoff items that come from thier inventions



+1.
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 8:40:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
Although he was not a rifle designer alone, I think I'd have to add John Browning to this list. He created some marvelous weapons, from machine guns to handguns.



+2
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 8:41:08 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Sturmwehr:

Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
Although he was not a rifle designer alone, I think I'd have to add John Browning to this list. He created some marvelous weapons, from machine guns to handguns.



+1,000,000,000

John Moses Browning was much like Moses... Moses gave us the 10 Commandments. Browning gave us the Hi-Power, BAR, and 1911.



+1,000,000,001 , and let us not forget about John Garand and the M1 , its my Favorite
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 8:43:33 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CAMPYBOB:
I see Micky's medals but where are Gene's? Oh yeah, he got money instead. Capitalism rules!

eugene is dead.

mikhail can still shake pooby's hand.

the best firearm designer is, indeed, john moses browning.





Too true...!

Browning is in a universe of his own as the worlds most preeminent designer of firearms.
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 8:43:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2004 8:45:26 AM EDT by FMD]

Originally Posted By Max_Mike:
The question was the two best rifle designers in the World?

The answer is: Mauser and Kalashnikov.


If the question is who was the best firearms designer who ever lived.

The answer is: John Browning without a question.


If the question is who is the most important firearms designer who ever lived.

The answer is: Hiram Maxim.



+1(,000,000)
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 9:17:26 AM EDT
In no particular order.....
John Browning
Mikhail Kalishnakov
Mauser brothers
Hiram Maxim
Eli Whitney (wanna guess why?? )
Eugene Stoner
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 3:30:16 PM EDT
For modern rifles as we know them:

1. Mauser. He developed reliable repeating rifle with a double stacked magazine and rimless, bottleneck cartridges with spitzer bullets.

2. Garand. He developed the first reliable, fixed barrel gas operated semi auto rifle.


Everthing everyone else did (including Stoner & Kalashnikov) is built on the work of these 2.
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 3:37:30 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
I like the guy who designed the G-11, because it seemed like such a leap forward at the time, even if it ended up failing



+1
This world would be a different place right now if people were not so afraid of radical changes.
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 3:57:16 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CAMPYBOB:
I see Micky's medals but where are Gene's? Oh yeah, he got money instead. Capitalism rules!

eugene is dead.

mikhail can still shake pooby's hand.

the best firearm designer is, indeed, john moses browning.




Ditto on JMB.
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 4:29:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2004 4:32:12 PM EDT by Dave_A]
Browning was the best overall firearms designer...

Stoner produced the best RIFLE design of THIS century, with MK taking 2nd place...

This said because while Browning produced excellent pistols, shotguns and machineguns, he really didn't get a rifle design adobted for mass service. The BAR was deployed as a LMG/SAW, remember... Like Mauser/HK, Browning had a penchant for blowback operation....

Mauser, of course, deserves mention for designing the bolt action that became the template for pretty much everything since (Mod 1898)...

I wouldn't put Garand on the list, although the M1 was a unique design for the time, better designs were later produced, without following Garand's work. For example, the only thing the M1 and AR have in common action wise is the existance of a gas port & tube....

Eventually, someone may replace Stoner on my list, but only when a superior semi/full auto rifle action to the AR-15's is produced. This has yet to happen.
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 4:35:27 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
I like the guy who designed the G-11, because it seemed like such a leap forward at the time, even if it ended up failing



It is still a marvel today- with some improvements the G11 would be un-stopable.
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 4:40:00 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GaryM:
In no particular order.....
John Browning
Mikhail Kalishnakov
Mauser brothers
Hiram Maxim
Eli Whitney (wanna guess why?? )
Eugene Stoner



OK. Did he invent the machinery?
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 4:42:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By GaryM:
In no particular order.....
John Browning
Mikhail Kalishnakov
Mauser brothers
Hiram Maxim
Eli Whitney (wanna guess why?? )
Eugene Stoner





www.eliwhitney.org/arms.htm
Link Posted: 9/4/2004 5:32:58 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/4/2004 5:33:48 PM EDT by G-Rated]
JMB:

-tilting barrel design known to just about every semi-auto pistol today
-double stack pistol mag (Hi-Power) ?? (was he the first?)
-M2
-A5
-1911
-model 37
- model 94??
-1911
-Hi Power
-BAR
-1919
-1911 (did I get that already?)


BTW, the mag safety on the Hi-Power was not his work. It was added after he died. Whew!!
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