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Posted: 10/26/2013 10:13:21 PM EDT
Is it still something that should be considered in future rifle designs?
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 10:14:44 PM EDT
If I'm going to war I want to have as many ways to kill a man as I can have.
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 10:19:45 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By mdguy90:
If I'm going to war I want to have as many ways to kill a man as I can have.
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In modern times has one even been used outside of crowd control?
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 10:22:57 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By fatcat4620:

In modern times has one even been used outside of crowd control?
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Originally Posted By mdguy90:
If I'm going to war I want to have as many ways to kill a man as I can have.

In modern times has one even been used outside of crowd control?


Yup, a few years ago in A'stan...IIRC
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 10:40:42 PM EDT
I haven't been in a car accident since 1986.  Why should I have to have car insurance?
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 10:43:59 PM EDT
If nothing else it looks cool...

Plus, why the hell not? Get both? And so on...

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This gentleman finds this thread cute.

Link Posted: 10/26/2013 10:47:05 PM EDT
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In modern times has one even been used outside of crowd control?
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Originally Posted By mdguy90:
If I'm going to war I want to have as many ways to kill a man as I can have.

In modern times has one even been used outside of crowd control?




Yes, just ask this bloke.

British forces in Afghanistan have used bayonets many times. In 2009, Lieutenant James Adamson, aged 24, of the Royal Regiment of Scotland was awarded the Military Cross for a bayonet charge whilst on a tour of duty in Afghanistan: after shooting one Taliban fighter dead Adamson had run out of ammunition when another enemy appeared. He immediately charged the second Taliban fighter and bayoneted him. In September 2012, Lance Corporal Sean Jones of The Princess of Wales's Regiment was awarded the Military Cross for his role in a bayonet charge which took place in October 2011.
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 10:49:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/26/2013 11:29:08 PM EDT
It's an implement of war.

As long as there are wars, pointy/stabby things will come in damn handy now and again, and the longer they are, the better.

As long as the things aren't in the way normally, there is no penalty to having the option really.

Besides, bayonette training is a great way to build character and aggression.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 12:49:22 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 10/27/2013 12:53:03 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By leatherface_y2k:
If nothing else it looks cool...

Plus, why the hell not? Get both? And so on...

http://<a href=http://i.imgur.com/iT2alcZ.jpg</a>" />
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That's not a knife...



Now THAT'S a knife.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 12:55:05 AM EDT
They're still viable for crowd control.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 1:15:52 AM EDT
there are good reasons why we still do bayonet training


yes, leave it
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 1:41:25 AM EDT
don't but a military gun with out one, otherwise it's just a hunting gun.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 4:48:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/27/2013 4:50:28 AM EDT by _DR]
Originally Posted By fatcat4620:
Is it still something that should be considered in future rifle designs?
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When your rifle runs out of ammo, your rifle can become just a marginal club, or a club and an effective short spear.  Which would you prefer to fight the onrushing hordes with?

As a graduate of the Fort Benning bayonet assault course I say leave it.

Link Posted: 10/27/2013 5:39:13 AM EDT
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I remember an early Iraq war instance where a US Army infantry offcer got into a situation inside a building when he engaged bad guys while he was climbing stairs. Bad guys popped up at the top , and he shot them until out of ammo while moving up.
he got to the top as the last guy showed himself, and skewered the guy with his fixed bayonet.

I'd prefer having a pokey-stabby thing around, just in case.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 5:42:45 AM EDT



Yes, Mr Stabby Stab should stay around.



Link Posted: 10/27/2013 5:51:10 AM EDT
Bayonets can instill fear in the enemy and encourage them to break ranks and run, especially if they're not a professional force.  And very handy for close in work.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 5:56:58 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By leatherface_y2k:
If nothing else it looks cool...

Plus, why the hell not? Get both? And so on...

http://<a href=http://i.imgur.com/iT2alcZ.jpg</a>" />
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Needs more oil..
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 5:58:54 AM EDT
Better than a shotgun.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 6:01:41 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By B2k4E:


That's not a knife...

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5522/10352641424_30d4d35eff_c.jpg

Now THAT'S a knife.
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Originally Posted By B2k4E:
Originally Posted By leatherface_y2k:
If nothing else it looks cool...

Plus, why the hell not? Get both? And so on...

http://<a href=http://i.imgur.com/iT2alcZ.jpg</a>" />


That's not a knife...

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5522/10352641424_30d4d35eff_c.jpg

Now THAT'S a knife.


Barely adequate but it IS a step up.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 6:05:06 AM EDT
If you're going to issue a rifle and a knife to a soldier, why not make the two compatible?

Why would you spend money re-designing a fixed blade knife and removing the bayonet lug from the M-4 when what you have works just fine?

Sounds like you have a solution in search of a problem.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 6:15:32 AM EDT
Knives don't run out of ammo.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 6:44:49 AM EDT
Hell yes!

What's an 'assault knife'?  A knife with a rifle lug on it.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 6:53:56 AM EDT
+1 for leave it alone.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 6:58:31 AM EDT
If I had to choose between a knife or a spear I'd take the spear. Reach is a good thing.

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Link Posted: 10/27/2013 7:08:59 AM EDT
I can think of few things more demoralizing than a bunch of dudes running at you with fixed pig stickers. An arc light strike would be included in the few things.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 7:17:45 AM EDT
What is more intimidating? A row of rifles pointing at you or a row of rifles with sharp shiny pointed ends pointed at you?
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 7:20:34 AM EDT
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Originally Posted By mdguy90:
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Gotta agree with this outlook.


And as they say, " fpni ".  

Whoever " they " be.


GD
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 7:36:18 AM EDT
My last 2 deployments we didn't even take bayonets with us. The arms room had Maybe10-15 but hey didn't issue them out. I had my own M9 tho.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 12:24:06 PM EDT
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mount_Tumbledown

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-17159.html

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Link Posted: 10/27/2013 12:39:43 PM EDT
Put yourself in the shoes of the guy facing the bayonet for a second, think what is about to happen.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 5:33:52 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 5:55:37 PM EDT
Psychologically a large edged weapon is quite intimidating.
I would prefer not to face one.
Link Posted: 10/27/2013 5:58:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/27/2013 5:59:01 PM EDT by MonkTx]

And a bayonet, sir, with some guts behind.
 
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Link Posted: 10/27/2013 6:02:46 PM EDT
I just traded my only bayonet for a pair of Mosins. But one Mosin has a bayo on it. So it works out even. I didnt even have a gun the bayo fit. My mini 14 was the closest, I have a new front sight block with a lug thay I will install one of these days.
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