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Posted: 4/30/2015 6:36:05 AM EDT

http://www.businessinsider.com/here-are-all-the-ships-in-the-german-navy-2015-4

All the ships of the German navy (April 2015) profiled on a single graphic.

Pretty weak stuff.

In contrast, here is the Greek fleet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Hellenic_Navy_ships

Ironically, many of the Greek ships were built in Germany.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 6:39:20 AM EDT
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http://www.businessinsider.com/here-are-all-the-ships-in-the-german-navy-2015-4

All the ships of the German navy (April 2015) profiled on a single graphic.

Pretty weak stuff.

In contrast, here is the Greek fleet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Hellenic_Navy_ships

Ironically, many of the Greek ships were built in Germany.
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I might be wrong but - I think Germany owns the Greek fleet - technically speaking.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 6:45:27 AM EDT
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Germany has never really done naval power. The Greeks have a great military on paper, I doubt their naval vessels spend much time out of port.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 6:54:14 AM EDT
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Why spend money on a Navy when they have us to make up the difference?  If we stopped scaling our military around the defense of Europe, all of those countries would have to step up.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 7:19:38 AM EDT
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Why spend money on a Navy when they have us to make up the difference?  If we stopped scaling our military around the defense of Europe, all of those countries would have to step up.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 7:26:04 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 4/30/2015 7:48:41 AM EDT
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Germany never had a navy. Short of the U-boats and the Bismarck.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 7:54:09 AM EDT
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What about WWI?



The Imperial Navy was big and bad enough to keep the Royal Navy stuck at home just to contain it.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 7:57:09 AM EDT
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They did in WWI; it was large enough to put up a pretty good showing against the British at Jutland.

However, you are correct as far as recent memory goes; the Kriegsmarine was given pretty short shrift in WWII.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:08:49 AM EDT
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Kaiser Wilhelm would beg to differ.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:12:45 AM EDT
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Germany doesnt need all that large of a navy really. They dont have much of a coastline. They dont have a need to project power wolrdwide either, plus with NATO they have our navy should they need it.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:18:46 AM EDT
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Word.

It's a catch 22 though. if we retreat, trouble will fill the void.....if we stay, we'll go broke (spend billions we could use here at home) trying to keep us there.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:23:36 AM EDT
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What about WWI?

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This was the only time Germany had a large navy.  There were over a dozen dreadnought type battleships, numerous battle cruisers, armored cruisers, light cruisers, destroyers, torpedo boats, submarines and auxiliaries.  Still, it wasn't big enough to challenge the Royal Navy Home Fleet toe to toe.

Before WW II Germany had the Z Plan that envisioned numerous battleships, cruisers and other craft.  WW II started before she could finish it and the Kriegsmarine was small.  As Grand Admiral Raeder said, all we can do is to die with dignity.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:26:48 AM EDT
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I thought this was going to be a glass bottom boat thread.  


Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:27:29 AM EDT
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It looks fine for what they use it for. They aren't a power that needs to project force these days.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:27:29 AM EDT
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This was the only time Germany had a large navy.  There were over a dozen dreadnought type battleships, numerous battle cruisers, armored cruisers, light cruisers, destroyers, torpedo boats, submarines and auxiliaries.  Still, it wasn't big enough to challenge the Royal Navy Home Fleet toe to toe.

Before WW II Germany had the Z Plan that envisioned numerous battleships, cruisers and other craft.  WW II started before she could finish it and the Kriegsmarine was small.  As Grand Admiral Raeder said, all we can do is to die with dignity.
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What about WWI?

The Imperial Navy was big and bad enough to keep the Royal Navy stuck at home just to contain it.

This was the only time Germany had a large navy.  There were over a dozen dreadnought type battleships, numerous battle cruisers, armored cruisers, light cruisers, destroyers, torpedo boats, submarines and auxiliaries.  Still, it wasn't big enough to challenge the Royal Navy Home Fleet toe to toe.

Before WW II Germany had the Z Plan that envisioned numerous battleships, cruisers and other craft.  WW II started before she could finish it and the Kriegsmarine was small.  As Grand Admiral Raeder said, all we can do is to die with dignity.

Actually, prior to WWI the Kaiser had decided not to try to match the RN and slowed his shipbuilding program. Of course, "matching" the RN did not have to be a 1:1 proposition. Because the RN had commitments across the world, the German goal was to be ~60% the size of the RN, IIRC. They gave up on that goal several years prior to WWI.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:30:45 AM EDT
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Ours, for comparison.

http://www.businessinsider.com/here-are-all-the-ships-in-the-us-navy-2015-4

I still say we need to bring back battleships...
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:34:50 AM EDT
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http://www.businessinsider.com/here-are-all-the-ships-in-the-us-navy-2015-4

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Is that little ship next to the Constitution the Pueblo? She is still carried as an active ship.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:37:34 AM EDT
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Germany has never really done naval power. The Greeks have a great military on paper, I doubt their naval vessels spend much time out of port.
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Wait, wut?
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:43:09 AM EDT
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That's not a bad  navy at all, for a continental power.  The German's best navy wound up at the bottom of Scapa Flow...
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Ours, for comparison.



http://www.businessinsider.com/here-are-all-the-ships-in-the-us-navy-2015-4



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But our boats are so little...  in the picture.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:49:07 AM EDT
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http://www.businessinsider.com/here-are-all-the-ships-in-the-us-navy-2015-4

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You will have to kick the tourist off first
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:50:38 AM EDT
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This.


We basically payroll everything and we get bitched at every time we do something to protect ourselves and we sit being uncompeditivley being bid against on our own contracts.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:55:57 AM EDT
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You will have to kick the tourist off first
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Ours, for comparison.

http://www.businessinsider.com/here-are-all-the-ships-in-the-us-navy-2015-4

I still say we need to bring back battleships...



You will have to kick the tourist off first


just the one person?
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:56:43 AM EDT
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Ours, for comparison.



http://www.businessinsider.com/here-are-all-the-ships-in-the-us-navy-2015-4



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The 10 ships in the top row politely differ. Besides, the battleships are not gone. They are currently mothballed at various museums awaiting the country's call to action.

 


Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:56:56 AM EDT
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http://www.businessinsider.com/here-are-all-the-ships-in-the-german-navy-2015-4

All the ships of the German navy (April 2015) profiled on a single graphic.

Pretty weak stuff.

In contrast, here is the Greek fleet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Hellenic_Navy_ships

Ironically, many of the Greek ships were built in Germany.
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they've never been a naval power. ever.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 8:57:19 AM EDT
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they've never been a naval power. ever.
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http://www.businessinsider.com/here-are-all-the-ships-in-the-german-navy-2015-4

All the ships of the German navy (April 2015) profiled on a single graphic.

Pretty weak stuff.

In contrast, here is the Greek fleet:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Hellenic_Navy_ships

Ironically, many of the Greek ships were built in Germany.

they've never been a naval power. ever.

Jackie Fisher would disagree with you.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 9:07:13 AM EDT
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The 10 ships in the top row politely differ. Besides, the battleships are not gone. They are currently mothballed at various museums awaiting the country's call to action.  

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Ours, for comparison.

http://www.businessinsider.com/here-are-all-the-ships-in-the-us-navy-2015-4

I still say we need to bring back battleships...
The 10 ships in the top row politely differ. Besides, the battleships are not gone. They are currently mothballed at various museums awaiting the country's call to action.  


True. But who wouldn't enjoy watching a full on coastal bombardment of Tomahawk missiles followed by 16 inch shells?? Besides the receiving end, of course.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 9:29:26 AM EDT
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Not quite right.

A piece of the reason that the Brits were willing to come in on the side of the French in WWI was that the Germans were beginning their Naval expansion.  Germany wanted to expand her playing field in the colonial game and the only real way to do that was to expand their navy.  This was a threatening move to British eyes.

Their fleet during WWI was a threat that the British took seriously, but it wasn't quite able to stand up to the British fleet (very simplified explanation).

Now they are not really interested as there is no colonial ambition and they are not into projecting power the way the US is.
Link Posted: 4/30/2015 9:46:57 AM EDT
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It's all fun and games til they bring in the Gorch Fock. Then you know they mean business.
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