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Posted: 4/29/2004 9:10:11 AM EST
[Last Edit: 4/29/2004 9:11:03 AM EST by SteyrAUG]
Link Posted: 4/29/2004 9:13:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: 4/29/2004 9:13:08 AM EST by thebeekeeper1]
Enough of this--7.) Posting topics or discussions with the desire to do the site or community harm. More specifically creating topics meant to disrupt the site's day to day management, disrupt member's resources, or disrupt the ability for the site to fun
Link Posted: 4/29/2004 9:17:09 AM EST
[Last Edit: 4/29/2004 9:17:09 AM EST by thebeekeeper1]
Enough of this--7.) Posting topics or discussions with the desire to do the site or community harm. More specifically creating topics meant to disrupt the site's day to day management, disrupt member's resources, or disrupt the ability for the site to fun
Link Posted: 4/29/2004 12:32:44 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/29/2004 12:32:44 PM EST by thebeekeeper1]
After review, unlocked.
Link Posted: 4/29/2004 12:33:20 PM EST
Link Posted: 4/29/2004 12:33:23 PM EST
Link Posted: 4/29/2004 12:34:04 PM EST
bumped, and I'll check back...gotta work now.
Link Posted: 4/29/2004 12:35:56 PM EST
Thanks Beekeeper. There is some good info here, stuff I wondered about but really didn't know where to look. Talk to ya'll later.
Link Posted: 4/29/2004 12:43:24 PM EST

Originally Posted By SYSTEM MESSAGE:
After review, unlocked.




<SIGH>


Sgtar15
Link Posted: 4/29/2004 12:43:44 PM EST

Good post, S_A. I love reading about this stuff (Its why I kept my "Scriptures of the World's Religions" textbook, instead of selling it back
Link Posted: 4/29/2004 12:44:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By SYSTEM MESSAGE:
After review, unlocked.



That's just like The Man. Lock first, review later!!!

motown_X
Link Posted: 4/29/2004 12:46:24 PM EST
Source?
Link Posted: 4/29/2004 12:53:07 PM EST
Yeah, I'd like a source too.

I have often wondered about what exactly Mohammad's relationship to Judism was, since Islamic law is so close to Mosaic Law in many respects.
Link Posted: 4/29/2004 1:02:48 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/29/2004 1:03:46 PM EST by Old_Painless]

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
Yeah, I'd like a source too.

I have often wondered about what exactly Mohammad's relationship to Judism was, since Islamic law is so close to Mosaic Law in many respects.



I was involved in something interesting once.

I had to attend a Diversity class off-site for my company because we were going to be involved with some muslims. We were given a 4 hour course on Islam. No joke.

One of the first exercises was a handout with 20 scriptures on it. You were supposed to mark them as whether you thought they were from the Koran or the Bible.

Now, I read the Bible daily, and immediately recognized that all of them were not from the Bible. I even told my buddy that they were all non-Biblical. He had them marked about 50-50.

Well, the instructor asked if we were all finished and then went through them one by one and sure enough, they were all from the Koran.

It was not only that I realized that they were non-Biblical because I didn't recognize them, but they were un-Biblical in their content.

Once, as a policeman, I attended a course by the Secret Service about conterfeit money. They said that their agents spent hours and hours studying real money. They hardly even looked at fake money.

But once you were familiar enough with the real thing, it was easy to spot fake money.

Likewise, with the Word.
Link Posted: 4/29/2004 1:18:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/29/2004 1:19:32 PM EST by mojo]

Tagged.


Edited to add: "My Active Topics" ain't working....yet.
Link Posted: 4/29/2004 1:41:28 PM EST

Originally Posted By mojo:
Tagged.


Edited to add: "My Active Topics" ain't working....yet.



mentally tagged


Good read
Link Posted: 4/29/2004 2:25:39 PM EST
glad it was unlocked, but REALLY curious why it was locked in the first place.
Plenty of real information about the foundations of Islam out there folks (admins), better read some (other than what the apologists / dissemblers have to say about it).

I'm wondering about the reasoning capabilities of some people here - presented with a wealth of real factual information, they either fail to acknowledge it, or call the messenger a 'hater'. Or reflexively LOCK a thread about Islam.

As long as the information presented is sourced, factual, historically accurate, and kept in some sort of context, how can it be denied or labelled anything?

Learn about Islam. Whether Islam is directly responsible, or as some claim, been perverted, is open to debate. But the factual litany of global terrorism and mass murders committed in the name of Allah is NOT. They ARE happening, and whether Islam is hijacked or not, those attacks and those perpetrating them MUST be dealt with effectively and decisively, with no time or effort wasted on the niceties of 'Political Correctness'.

Read from the follwing links, you'll have some idea of the global reach of the problem -
Jihad Watch
MEMRI - MiddleEast Media Research Institute


The Thais just handled things correctly - some pics
Plenty of news stories about the problems in their territories bordering with Malaysia.
a few days ago in the same province, the same band of jihadis was rasing hell - Two killed, 15 schools on fire in Thai Muslim south

Churches burned in Kosovo last month.
Jordanian UN security troops open fire on and kill US-UN troops in Kosovo last week,
100,000 killed in the Sudan by muslims in the last year.
Muslim violence all over northern India, against Hindus, weekly.
The bombings against Western tourists in Bali
Bombing of British Bank in Turkey, killing mainly dozens of muslims
Bombings in Casablanca, Morrocco, killing mainly dozens of muslims.
Bombings of Shia holy day celebrations in Iraq, killing muslimsmuslims.
Multiple bombings of Shiites in Karbala and Najaf
Bombing of Marriott Hotel in Jakarta, killing mainly muslims and buddhists.

Just look at a few global sources, you'll see that murders, mass-killings are occuring EVERYWHERE that Islam is a majority religion, or even a significant minority.

Again I say, if there are "moderate" Muslims, you need to stop providing funding, shelter and cover to the "radicals" in your midst.

We're 30yrs into a global jihad, and we have folks HERE at ARFCOM calling other board members 'haters' for daring to point it out.
Link Posted: 4/29/2004 2:33:00 PM EST
and lastly - speaking of apologists and dissemblers for Islam - look at Campus Watch to read about the Saudi-Wahhabi-funded "Muslim Student Associations" being planted in major US universities, distorting Islamic Arab history, seeking to suppress any criticism of Islam.

Or read about the very real ties to Terrorism / Terrorist Orgnizations by CAIR - Frontpage article
CAIR's reps routinely show up on sympathetic media networks to shuck and jive / dissemble about Terrorism.
Link Posted: 4/29/2004 2:40:18 PM EST
Very interesting read.
Link Posted: 4/29/2004 2:42:55 PM EST

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:
Once, as a policeman, I attended a course by the Secret Service about conterfeit money. They said that their agents spent hours and hours studying real money. They hardly even looked at fake money.



Great analogy, OP!
Link Posted: 4/29/2004 2:56:41 PM EST
You are correct Rayra, BTT
Link Posted: 4/29/2004 3:24:40 PM EST
[Last Edit: 4/29/2004 3:26:57 PM EST by imposter]

Originally Posted By DScott:
Source?


A jewish rabbi.
Link Posted: 4/29/2004 3:29:29 PM EST

Originally Posted By imposter:

Originally Posted By DScott:
Source?


A jewish rabbi.



Even better. a Rabbi who posted a bibliography for his site.

Cool.
Link Posted: 4/29/2004 4:31:50 PM EST
Link Posted: 4/29/2004 4:39:38 PM EST
Heh,
I'm glad this got unlocked...read it at work and wondered why it got locked...inciting and insiteful.

Link Posted: 4/29/2004 6:06:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:

Originally Posted By ArmdLbrl:
Yeah, I'd like a source too.

I have often wondered about what exactly Mohammad's relationship to Judism was, since Islamic law is so close to Mosaic Law in many respects.



I was involved in something interesting once.

I had to attend a Diversity class off-site for my company because we were going to be involved with some muslims. We were given a 4 hour course on Islam. No joke.

One of the first exercises was a handout with 20 scriptures on it. You were supposed to mark them as whether you thought they were from the Koran or the Bible.

Now, I read the Bible daily, and immediately recognized that all of them were not from the Bible. I even told my buddy that they were all non-Biblical. He had them marked about 50-50.

Well, the instructor asked if we were all finished and then went through them one by one and sure enough, they were all from the Koran.

It was not only that I realized that they were non-Biblical because I didn't recognize them, but they were un-Biblical in their content.

Once, as a policeman, I attended a course by the Secret Service about conterfeit money. They said that their agents spent hours and hours studying real money. They hardly even looked at fake money.

But once you were familiar enough with the real thing, it was easy to spot fake money.

Likewise, with the Word.




Awesome story OP.
Link Posted: 5/1/2004 5:57:18 AM EST
You mean this religon is based on expansion by the sword and treachery? say it ain't so!

Link Posted: 5/1/2004 6:00:16 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/1/2004 6:01:31 AM EST by danonly]
bleh.
Link Posted: 5/1/2004 6:00:36 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/1/2004 6:01:50 AM EST by danonly]
feh.
Link Posted: 5/1/2004 6:01:01 AM EST
[Last Edit: 5/1/2004 6:02:16 AM EST by danonly]
delete button would be nice.
Link Posted: 5/1/2004 6:31:05 AM EST
Link Posted: 5/1/2004 6:48:44 AM EST


Very interesting read.
Link Posted: 5/2/2004 8:14:31 PM EST
Here's some more 'Islam in their own words' info -

Call For Incorporating Sharia Into International Law

CAIRO, April 30 (IslamOnline.net) – World Muslim scholars meeting in Cairo urged incorporation of Sharia into the International Law to avoid eruption of more crises or other forms of injustice.

"Some western researchers have found out that Islamic principles could be used to develop the International Law and incorporate its moral values into it," said Jaafar Abdel-Salam, the secretary general of the Islamic Universities Association.

He was speaking at the International Islamic Conference, held in Cairo from April 28 till May 1 under the title of "Tolerance in Islamic Civilization".

Addressing the sixteenth session of the Conference, Abdel-Salam, himself a professor of International Law, said the application of Sharia along with the International Law would help set up a world system "turning countries closer to each other".

"Islam, with its practices, is the best of international systems that could achieve peace," said Mohamed Dissouki, an International Law professor at Al-Azhar University, in the conference.
...



They mean to rule the World, and are using our own petrodollars to do it to us.

And lastly - the US gives Egypt $2 BILLION / yr in Aid, and in return we get constant anti-American incitement in their state-run media.
Link Posted: 5/2/2004 9:10:00 PM EST
and here's a site with 111 Jihad-related verses in the Koran - The Koran’s 111 Jihad Verses
Link Posted: 5/12/2004 9:07:14 PM EST
And 9 days later, we have the Neil Berg atrocity, the butchers chanted 'Allah Ackbar!' while sawing at his neck.
Link Posted: 5/13/2004 3:17:08 AM EST
good posts
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