[ARCHIVED THREAD] - The First 48 (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 7/7/2009 8:57:42 PM EDT
| Does it ever amaze you the stuff the suspects admit to without having a lawyer present ? It amazes me. |
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I guess some of them actually do have a conscious which might be the most surprising, but with all the rights criminals have in this country, I bet 50 % would walk if they just STFU and asked for a lawyer.
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Does it ever amaze you the stuff the suspects admit to without having a lawyer present ? It amazes me. You mean like telling the truth and taking accountability???? Yeah..weird... T1 |
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Quoted: Umm............................Don't EVER talk to the police under ANY circumstances what so ever.   Exactly, the biggest thing i ever took away from unintended consequences. DON"T SAY SHIT. It's not Iran, the police aren't going to be pulling fingernails or whipping you to make you talk. They either have a case or they don't. You will not be able to out-talk your way out of the police station. Keep your mouth shut. Not even a conversation about the weather or local sports team. |
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Quoted: Bright people generally don't do the things those idiots do. This. I think it was an episode of 'The First 48' where they brought a guy in who they suspected of rape or murder. It was a small little rinky dink police department. The guy kept smarting off. One of the cops went into the department kitchen, got a colander, some tape, some old wires and went back in the room. He put the colander on the guys head, taped some wires to his fingers, and the idiot started singing like a bird. He confessed the crime they were questioning him for and then confessed several others.  |
| It really does surprise me how often people just blab away, but I have to admit that I am really shocked when you get the people who actually feel remorse and turn themselves in. I have only seen a few episodes where it has happened but it surprises me every time. I have also noticed that many times people leave their cell phones behind at the scene of the crime, or the police are able to use phone records to prove where they were. I remember watching one where a guy drove from somewhere in Louisiana to kill his GF in Dallas and then drove home. Said he was at home the whole time never left. The police pulled his phone records and he made 20+ phone calls and they were all in a straight line leading from his house to Dallas and even one in the park where the murder took place then all the way back home. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Umm............................Don't EVER talk to the police under ANY circumstances what so ever. Exactly, the biggest thing i ever took away from unintended consequences. DON"T SAY SHIT. It's not Iran, the police aren't going to be pulling fingernails or whipping you to make you talk. They either have a case or they don't. You will not be able to out-talk your way out of the police station. Keep your mouth shut. Not even a conversation about the weather or local sports team. You just failed  |
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The best part of that show is how many of the stories take place in Miami, I'd say close to half. Makes me real proud to be a resident of the magic city. They have contracts with the cities they film in. The camera crews follow around a group of detectives waiting for a good (TV worthy)call. There were a lot of murders they filmed that never made the air, I guess because the case just went nowhere or there was nothing really to film, except some dead guy. Most murder scenes are pretty boring, and cleaned up within a few hours. |
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Does it ever amaze you the stuff the suspects admit to without having a lawyer present ? It amazes me. In case you didn't get the memo, the criminal element tends to not be the brightest bunch of people you'll ever meet! recall the murder case recently where the dumbfuck managed to drop his cell phone at the crime scene, and has the bright idea to call it, and of course, the Police Department was in posession of said phone. so yeah...most of those people featured in that show couldn't count past ten without taking off their shoes/socks! |
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Memphis pulled the contract because of how bad they were looking on tv. The local news stations were pissed because the show was getting full access and they had to stay back. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile It also had something to do with the guy confessing to the biggest mass murder in the cities history being aired before the trial. The DAGs office said that kind of thing is probably a bad idea. |
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I think it was an episode of 'The First 48' where they brought a guy in who they suspected of rape or murder. It was a small little rinky dink police department. The guy kept smarting off. One of the cops went into the department kitchen, got a colander, some tape, some old wires and went back in the room. He put the colander on the guys head, taped some wires to his fingers, and the idiot started singing like a bird. Ummm.....pretty sure that wasn't on the first 48. That's not the sort of thing any officer with any sense would A. Do or B. put on video. |
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Two things you can count on in that show. First, you know they are guilty when EVERY single time they address the interrogator, it's either "Sir or Ma'am", you can tell they've never called anyone that before. Second, they will confess to just about everything when prompted. They use other people of color to question them and they pull all the tricks out of the bag "Your momma wouldn't be proud of you right now huh baby?" |
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That show has taught me that most murders would go unsolved if people would keep their mouth shut. It seems like the detectives rarely have anything but conjecture. I wouldn't call it "conjecture". When you find a dead guy and start retracing his steps and piecing together his life and you find out that he and a drug dealer named Bob had been having some disagreements, it's not "conjecture" to want to question Bob and find out where he was and why he happens to be carrying a gun that is a close match to the murder weapon.... |
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In case you didn't get the memo, the criminal element tends to not be the brightest bunch of people you'll ever meet! recall the murder case recently where the dumbfuck managed to drop his cell phone at the crime scene, and has the bright idea to call it, and of course, the Police Department was in posession of said phone. I didn't see that episode...but it doesn't surprise me. Losing a phone is pretty normal...but if one of the places you potentially lost the phone was the location where you shot that dude in the face seven times, perhaps you should just let it go.... We should all be pretty thankful that most criminals are stupid. |
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In case you didn't get the memo, the criminal element tends to not be the brightest bunch of people you'll ever meet! recall the murder case recently where the dumbfuck managed to drop his cell phone at the crime scene, and has the bright idea to call it, and of course, the Police Department was in posession of said phone. I didn't see that episode...but it doesn't surprise me. Losing a phone is pretty normal...but if one of the places you potentially lost the phone was the location where you shot that dude in the face seven times, perhaps you should just let it go.... We should all be pretty thankful that most criminals are stupid. That wasn't actually an episode on 48, but rather a story in the news not too long ago, I want to say within the last month or so? |
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Its a great show, one of my favorites, and one of the few things I watch regularly on TV. I find the shows useful for showing you just what sort of people are out there and just how casually they kill people. On one of the shows I caught the story of a young couple who was assaulted. The vermin killed the man and thought they had killed the woman. Fortunately they hadn't. She came out of a coma a few days after and gave a description of the attackers. Turns out it was their NEIGHBOR in the apartment complex who saw they had some stuff he might like, so he called up some scumbag buddies and set them up. Just goes to show you the slime-trail these scumbags leave in this world. |
| I like when they put the scumbags away, but I always notice how the detectives make the suspects believe they are on their side. "I can't help you unless you help me", "Sometimes bad things happen to good people, was it self defense?", "I'm not accusing you of anything, I am justt trying to find out what happened, can I get you a soda?" that type of thing. Once they gain the criminals trust, I swear those stupid murderers always spill the beans thinking they can go home with nothing but a warning. |
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Great show.
The ones with the children/senior citizen or random victims are the worst. The guy coming home from his job in Miami projects to his little girl killed in a a shootout between two losers. The one in Texas where the lady was shot in the head after getting off the elevator in a botched purse robbery. The First 48's that really piss me off are the ones where they don't find the murderer. That has to eat at a Detective. |
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The guy coming home from his job in Miami projects to his little girl killed in a a shootout between two losers. The one in Texas where the lady was shot in the head after getting off the elevator in a botched purse robbery. That wasn't a botched robbery...that was the plan. The guy fully intended to shoot someone in the head and take their bag the whole time. Hopefully the state of Texas returns the favor. |
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The guy coming home from his job in Miami projects to his little girl killed in a a shootout between two losers. The one in Texas where the lady was shot in the head after getting off the elevator in a botched purse robbery. That wasn't a botched robbery...that was the plan. The guy fully intended to shoot someone in the head and take their bag the whole time. Hopefully the state of Texas returns the favor. It was botched because he wasn't even able to get her bag off her shoulder. |
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That show has taught me that most murders would go unsolved if people would keep their mouth shut. It seems like the detectives rarely have anything but conjecture. I wouldn't call it "conjecture". When you find a dead guy and start retracing his steps and piecing together his life and you find out that he and a drug dealer named Bob had been having some disagreements, it's not "conjecture" to want to question Bob and find out where he was and why he happens to be carrying a gun that is a close match to the murder weapon.... This is true. I would still call that conjecture. They have a strong suspicion Bob may have shot the dead guy, but they don't know for sure yet. However, they generally don't tell Bob that they aren't sure. If Bob would keep his mouth shut and say nothing, I'm not so sure they would ever get past the suspicion stage. Now, they may still be able to get a conviction based on the physical evidence, but in some of the cases I've watched, that evidence is pretty slim. It seems 9 times out of 10 they only find the guy cause he talked to somebody else willing to talk to the police. |
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Standard police techniques are - "befriend" suspect, offer drinks/snacks, lay guilt trips, propose self-defense scenario, good cop/bad cop, and wear down suspect (time).
The best is how they always think they're a human lie detector. Studies have proven that cops, psychologists/psychiatrists, and other "experts" are no better at detecting a lie than the average joe on the street. There are subtle signs, but nothing concrete in an individuals mannerisms or facial expressions will reveal a lie. Are some people poor liars? Yes, but there are no proven methods to determine a lie over nervousness, shyness, or other personality characteristics. When a cop says he knows you're lying, he's trying to buffalo you into a different story. This is partly why some people will confess to a crime they didn't commit. They're in the interrogation room for hours and just want to get a real meal and be left alone. I personally find The First 48 pretty boring. It's all the same. A good look at interrogation techniques, but all in all, the work is boring. |
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I like when they put the scumbags away, but I always notice how the detectives make the suspects believe they are on their side. "I can't help you unless you help me", "Sometimes bad things happen to good people, was it self defense?", "I'm not accusing you of anything, I am justt trying to find out what happened, can I get you a soda?" that type of thing. Once they gain the criminals trust, I swear those stupid murderers always spill the beans thinking they can go home with nothing but a warning. 
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I like when they put the scumbags away, but I always notice how the detectives make the suspects believe they are on their side. "I can't help you unless you help me", "Sometimes bad things happen to good people, was it self defense?", "I'm not accusing you of anything, I am justt trying to find out what happened, can I get you a soda?" that type of thing. Once they gain the criminals trust, I swear those stupid murderers always spill the beans thinking they can go home with nothing but a warning. I spoke with a local criminal defense attorney, who sat with another attorney during police questioning, and my friend said he had to spend the entire time telling his client to STFU. People want to talk. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That show has taught me that most murders would go unsolved if people would keep their mouth shut. It seems like the detectives rarely have anything but conjecture. I wouldn't call it "conjecture". When you find a dead guy and start retracing his steps and piecing together his life and you find out that he and a drug dealer named Bob had been having some disagreements, it's not "conjecture" to want to question Bob and find out where he was and why he happens to be carrying a gun that is a close match to the murder weapon.... This is true. I would still call that conjecture. They have a strong suspicion Bob may have shot the dead guy, but they don't know for sure yet. However, they generally don't tell Bob that they aren't sure. If Bob would keep his mouth shut and say nothing, I'm not so sure they would ever get past the suspicion stage. Now, they may still be able to get a conviction based on the physical evidence, but in some of the cases I've watched, that evidence is pretty slim. It seems 9 times out of 10 they only find the guy cause he talked to somebody else willing to talk to the police. Those are the cases that will make TV. If the suspect is on 8 cameras, is seen by 20 witnesses, and brags openly to everybody within earshot, it doesn't make for a good show. Even if he sat completely silent he still would still be completely screwed. |
[ARCHIVED THREAD] - The First 48 (Page 1 of 2)
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